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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    I think I will hold off on vaccinations until I've received satisfactory evidence of the safety and effectiveness from organizations other than the CDC/FDA at this point.
    An issue I have is that both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are mRNA vaccines that tell a cell's DNA to manufacture proteins that would stimulate the bodies immune response to Corona infections (my very basic understanding). There has never been an approved mRNA vaccine and it's made in a way totally different from other viral vaccines. The Pfizer vaccine trial period is what they are calling event defined, so that when they get to a certain number of infections, apparently 160 people, if the vaccinated group is being protected. I've not heard much about the longer safety of the vaccine or if there is a certain period when they can call it safe. I would like to learn more about the long term safety and any adverse effects, even if it is only theoretical at this time. The news focus has been more about effectiveness and less about safety although they are claiming the typical short term fever, fatigue, sore muscles, etc, but what about over time. The shingles vaccine pretty much put me out of action for several days. Although I wouldn't hesitate to get it again, but vaccines are not necessarily home free just based on effectiveness.

    I suppose more time will tell and I would not be in the first group of health care people who would get the vaccine, but I would like some other to go first and to collect more information. I think there are scores of other vaccine trials using more traditional manufacturing methods, so maybe there will be more choices when the time comes. If I had the choice to get an mRNA vaccine today, I would probably go for it, but am still apprehensive.

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    Having been in the pharmaceutical industry for 30 years, it's head-spinning to me how quickly these vaccines are getting approved. Yes, it's probably better than nothing, but I'm with bae. My comfort level is not quite there yet.
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    My conservative coworkers and customers were talking today about no one can make them take a vaccine (among other macho posturing topics including Trump really won, conservative judges will save us, there will be a war but we have the guns, we even have more guns than the US military). I anticipate a political divide on vaccination.

    You watch my prediction will be correct that the government will try to force people to get vaccinated, refusing to lift restrictions and mask mandates until they do. First the government decided to commandeer our right to control one part of our bodies (faces), now it will move on to our arms (injection site).

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    FFS

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    The pressure is more likely to be: IF mandates are lifted and one HAS to go to places without anyone wearing masks say, then people will feel they have little choice but to chance it on the covid vaccine or on covid. And uh the vaccine is likely the lower risk, probably though we may not be as certain about their safety as we like … but if we get down to unavoidable risks then yea.
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    My father's cousin just died from covid. Relatives are not surprised as she was in her 70's and refused to curtail her traveling despite the pandemic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    My father's cousin just died from covid. Relatives are not surprised as she was in her 70's and refused to curtail her traveling despite the pandemic.
    I'm sorry to hear this. I wish no one had to get this news about a loved one. My condolences to you and your family.

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    I'm sorry for the loss of your cousin, Jeppy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    My father's cousin just died from covid. Relatives are not surprised as she was in her 70's and refused to curtail her traveling despite the pandemic.
    So sorry to hear.

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    I'm not a fan of unnecessary or excessive immunizations, and from what I gather the COVID vaccines they've developed so far have limited effectiveness, but it's a start. The paranoia out there would be funny if it weren't so pervasive.

    I'm sorry you work with such a band of nutters, Yppej, and I'm sorry for your elderly relative who apparently believed this was a hoax/no worse than the flu.

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