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    The medical experts suggest opening slowly in stages to keep the virus slowed down. The number of deaths is really sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    For those of us who consider a country's response effectiveness to mainly be derived by the death toll, yeah, they've done much better. 263 deaths in a country with roughly 1/6 our population. If we had done as well we'd have 1500 deaths currently instead of roughly 90,000. But hey, most of those 88,500 additional dead people were going to die in the next few years anyway so they don't really count. Amiright?

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    I'm cautiously optimistic that immunity will happen. A dear friend who is working on his MS degree with a focus on viruses regularly posts articles on facebook related to this topic. Since he's got a relevant science background I trust that he's able to tell what is legitimate research and not posting fluff that is just magical thinking. This is the latest article he posted.

    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...BnXMlSB-5qnt48


    Although it doesnít provide a conclusive answer, a study published yesterday (May 14) in Cell appears to be good news on the immunity front. Researchers at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology in California took blood from 20 adults whoíd recovered from COVID-19 and exposed the samples to proteins from the SARS-CoV-2 virus. All of the patients had CD4+ helper T cells that recognized the virusís spike protein, and 70 percent of them had CD8+ killer T cells that responded to the same protein. ďOur data show that the virus induces what you would expect from a typical, successful antiviral response,Ē says coauthor Shane Crotty in an institute press release.

    I'm still going to practice social distancing and other steps to try and prevent getting infected because, as others have pointed out, we just don't know the long-term effects of this virus. If possible I'd rather not learn the hard way that Covid causes damage to the body over time, or that it lies dormant for a period of time and then lashes out as a completely different illness the way the chickenpox virus does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher Terry View Post
    The medical experts suggest opening slowly in stages to keep the virus slowed down. The number of deaths is really sad.
    That's what the plan is for Massachusetts, and I can't believe how many in my state are enraged at the governor for not opening everything completely and immediately. I find it reassuring that we are proceeding cautiously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosarugosa View Post
    That's what the plan is for Massachusetts, and I can't believe how many in my state are enraged at the governor for not opening everything completely and immediately. I find it reassuring that we are proceeding cautiously.
    They are also upset at the randomness of the plan. In Phase 1 you can get a haircut where you can't distance, but you can't have one customer at a time in a retail store by appointment. An example given was you can't go to a jeweller to buy a wedding ring, but you can buy a ring at Walmart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    Was it shut down more effectively than all the bordering states? Even during the notorious primary election? Are itís people more law-abiding and better educated than Minnesota? Is itís medical establishment more efficient than Illinois? I doubt it. There are many variables at play here. Every location will need to make the decision of when and how to reopen. An economy is not optional. I donít see that those choosing somewhat sooner are ignorant monsters any more than those choosing somewhat later are enlightened and compassionate.
    You can thank the Republicans of the state for the election taking place during a pandemic. You can thank the Republicans for opening the state willy nilly. You can thank trump for not being a leader and guiding states on how to open up in a safer fashion. When the numbers go up I hope the people of WI and the nation take notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    I'm cautiously optimistic that immunity will happen. A dear friend who is working on his MS degree with a focus on viruses regularly posts articles on facebook related to this topic. Since he's got a relevant science background I trust that he's able to tell what is legitimate research and not posting fluff that is just magical thinking. This is the latest article he posted.

    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...BnXMlSB-5qnt48


    Although it doesn’t provide a conclusive answer, a study published yesterday (May 14) in Cell appears to be good news on the immunity front. Researchers at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology in California took blood from 20 adults who’d recovered from COVID-19 and exposed the samples to proteins from the SARS-CoV-2 virus. All of the patients had CD4+ helper T cells that recognized the virus’s spike protein, and 70 percent of them had CD8+ killer T cells that responded to the same protein. “Our data show that the virus induces what you would expect from a typical, successful antiviral response,” says coauthor Shane Crotty in an institute press release.

    I'm still going to practice social distancing and other steps to try and prevent getting infected because, as others have pointed out, we just don't know the long-term effects of this virus. If possible I'd rather not learn the hard way that Covid causes damage to the body over time, or that it lies dormant for a period of time and then lashes out as a completely different illness the way the chickenpox virus does.
    A friend of a friend is still struggling with COVID19 after two months--fever, weakness, trouble breathing, etc. At this point, no one knows why some people are hit so hard by it, or what its after-effects may be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    You can thank the Republicans of the state for the election taking place during a pandemic. You can thank the Republicans for opening the state willy nilly. You can thank trump for not being a leader and guiding states on how to open up in a safer fashion. When the numbers go up I hope the people of WI and the nation take notice.
    I thank the Republicans for not pretending thereís a fear of virus clause in the State constitution that grants the executive arbitrary powers.

    I think our leaders have a duty to listen to specialists but not defer to them. I think too many people of all political stripes are trying to twist this situation into just another red versus blue thing. Iíve seen no evidence that this virus has a political affiliation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    I thank the Republicans for not pretending there’s a fear of virus clause in the State constitution that grants the executive arbitrary powers.

    I think our leaders have a duty to listen to specialists but not defer to them. I think too many people of all political stripes are trying to twist this situation into just another red versus blue thing. I’ve seen no evidence that this virus has a political affiliation.
    The political affiliation is VERY evident in WI. The Republicans are trying to strip any power of the current governor.... things that the previous Republican governor had. I am not going to go look everything up to justify. There are many documented instances. I think it IS duty of our leaders to listen to experts (ie specialists) and take their recommendations. Not like trump now taking hydroxychloroquine based on what he hears from others and not listening to experts. One of the side effects, I hear, is losing your hair. Wouldn't that be poetic justice?

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    I don't believe Trump is taking hydroxychloroquine. I don't believe anything he says without checking reliable sources. It's incredibly irresponsible that he's pushing an untested and likely dangerous drug to a gullible public.
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