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    All our restaurants, bars and casinos are closed. I am so glad!

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    If people aren't exposed they will never develop immunity. I question whether our draconian approach is the best one, especially where it is gutting our economy. Not that I have any say in the matter unless I want to move to England:

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03...make-it-worse/

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    We have instituted a daily check in among several groups. My neighbors, quilting friends and book club. It helps with the isolation and gives some comfort. Psychologically much damage is being done. Fear of death, starvation and worry about keeping a roof over your head must be taking quite a toll

    i very much fear for families that struggle to make ends meet even though they are doing their best working full time. Even a small cutback in hours or tips could be disastrous. Add to that people stocking up so much shelves are bare leaves little for those who cannot afford to stock up.

    Clearwater beach, in the meantime was jammed full of vacationing families. People are upset about having to cancel cruises and European trips. Perhaps this will all result in a reset about how we are living our lives and what our priorities should be.

    Smaller government is good in some ways, but not if the weakest among us become homeless or starve.

    Another effect could be medical insurance worries. Someone is going to have to pay for all this one way or another. Either with money due to increased taxes and premiums or their lives. I fear our legislators are so focused on the unborn they will neglect living breathing human beings who may be doing their best to survive but will be plunged into unemployment, poverty and total despair. I especially fear for the children. A child going to bed hungry while the rich worry about their huge stock portfolios shrinking doesn’t seem to me to be the sign of a successful society. Maybe some will be happy if the poor and old people will be naturally selected out of existence. One way to cut back on “entitlements” like social security, Medicare, food stamps and Medicaid.

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    flowerseverywhere - I agree with a lot of what you have said. I keep hoping that compassion and caring for others will win out in all of this.

    Our state just instituted a curfew - 8 pm to 5 am. Child went to look for milk yesterday and was able to get some. I'm trying to not let fear dictate a "running out for more, let's buy everything in sight" attitude. I believe we will do okay. I do need to order some more of my prescription - due for a refill anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere View Post
    We have instituted a daily check in among several groups. My neighbors, quilting friends and book club. It helps with the isolation and gives some comfort. Psychologically much damage is being done. Fear of death, starvation and worry about keeping a roof over your head must be taking quite a toll

    i very much fear for families that struggle to make ends meet even though they are doing their best working full time. Even a small cutback in hours or tips could be disastrous. Add to that people stocking up so much shelves are bare leaves little for those who cannot afford to stock up.

    Clearwater beach, in the meantime was jammed full of vacationing families. People are upset about having to cancel cruises and European trips. Perhaps this will all result in a reset about how we are living our lives and what our priorities should be.

    Smaller government is good in some ways, but not if the weakest among us become homeless or starve.

    Another effect could be medical insurance worries. Someone is going to have to pay for all this one way or another. Either with money due to increased taxes and premiums or their lives. I fear our legislators are so focused on the unborn they will neglect living breathing human beings who may be doing their best to survive but will be plunged into unemployment, poverty and total despair. I especially fear for the children. A child going to bed hungry while the rich worry about their huge stock portfolios shrinking doesn’t seem to me to be the sign of a successful society. Maybe some will be happy if the poor and old people will be naturally selected out of existence. One way to cut back on “entitlements” like social security, Medicare, food stamps and Medicaid.
    I agree with everything you said. If the government puts the right tools in place in order to help people who, through no fault of their own, are going to be in dire straits, it's going to be expensive. Our current tax structure is going to have to evaluated and adjusted, whether people like it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    What is the alcohol percent in everclear? I ask that because it may actually need to be watered down to be most effective. Apparently 70% is most effective.
    I remember Everclear from college days (I did not imbibe often or I probably would not remember college days). Our understanding back then was that it was about 95% alcohol. But a quick Web search shows that Everclear now is available in different strengths: 120, 151, 189, and 190 U.S. proof; proof is about twice the percentage of alcohol content. The 151 would be the version closest to 70% alcohol content.
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    I buy cans of Nido dry whole milk to put into my coffee. If you can't find liquid milk, Amazon has it.

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    If people aren't exposed they will never develop immunity. I question whether our draconian approach is the best one, especially where it is gutting our economy. Not that I have any say in the matter unless I want to move to England
    They are trying to avoid an Italy situation where hospital beds get overwhelmed, and people are just let to die. We have less hospital beds than Italy I believe. This system could get overwhelmed. Really if it was just me the best thing to do as a 40 something without per-existing conditions might be to go out and get the virus. The risk of death is not zero, I could die, however it's lower than more vulnerable populations. But even with lower risk groups this only makes sense if they have no contact with high risk groups, which is very seldom reality. And if they don't take hospital beds and ventilators from these high risk groups because they are one of the one's that gets really sick which will inevitable happen to some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    If people aren't exposed they will never develop immunity.
    That worked so well for polio and smallpox! Good thinking!

    I question whether our draconian approach is the best one, especially where it is gutting our economy. Not that I have any say in the matter unless I want to move to England:

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03...make-it-worse/
    Madness.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...virus-covid-19

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