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    sometimes libertarians might consider the store owners, but never employees who might just be working at a store and deserve protection from the unmasked too. Very flawed belief system. But mostly I think: "The 90s called, they want their ideology back". *Checks calandar* oh hmm it's the year 2020.
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    To me, an obvious libertarian response to “but what about speed laws” is (without doing any Googling) is that most roads are owned by a government entity. The owner gets to make the rules. In the case of roads, the government makes these decisions for the good of all where one size fits all in their attempt to serve the public which they’re paid to do.

    Granted, there is also an element of the government doing its job of Protecting citizens here. And protecting the healthcare system in fewer/less severe car crashes.

    There is of course no purely libertarian practical response to our world, its a philosophical Set of ideas.Immediately putting practical consequences on her behavior is dangerous I think because well those predictions don’t always come true.

    I’m surprised by the number of people who think the government is the only one who can make any rules in the mask game. An owner of a business, a piece of land, a park, a public gathering event, may and do make rules as to how participants must behave. Generally speaking, participants don’t need to patronize businesses, go to the parks, attend the public events, etc. It’s their choice to do so.


    These silly mask wars and they are silly, are taking place all over the Internet because that’s all people can talk about in their limited world, what they observe one out and about. Our Next door discourse has a heated debate about owners of the Asian food store requiring that customers put on a mask in their store and escorting them out if no mask. Cool. His store, his rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore View Post
    sometimes libertarians might consider the store owners, but never employees who might just be working at a store and deserve protection from the unmasked too. Very flawed belief system. But mostly I think: "The 90s called, they want their ideology back". *Checks calandar* oh hmm it's the year 2020.
    Oh no, I think it’s a very timely topic, that of government overreach, and as Rand Paul put in his email to me today, here Americans are quacking on about this dumbass shit when Congress just upped their continued ability to spy on citizens.

    Way to go Americans, focus on the things that matter. NOT.

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    I do not like masks and I do not think they should be mandated. I doubt their efficacy. I voted for Hillary Clinton and I hope to vote for Howie Hawkins this year. I do not like Trump but occasionally I agree with him on a policy issue. For instance, I do agree that we cannot let the cure for covid be worse than the disease. If this turns into an incurable virus like HIV - as WHO has said may be the case - I am sure there are alarmists who would say we need to keep our economy shut down for decades so we don't get new waves of the virus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    jp, glad to see your thread bringing out this kind of discourse. Good choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    I do not like masks and I do not think they should be mandated. I doubt their efficacy.
    Really???

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    To me, an obvious libertarian response to “but what about speed laws” is (without doing any Googling) is that most roads are owned by a government entity. The owner gets to make the rules. In the case of roads, the government makes these decisions for the good of all where one size fits all in their attempt to serve the public which they’re paid to do.

    Granted, there is also an element of the government doing its job of Protecting citizens here. And protecting the healthcare system in fewer/less severe car crashes.

    There is of course no purely libertarian practical response to our world, its a philosophical Set of ideas.Immediately putting practical consequences on her behavior is dangerous I think because well those predictions don’t always come true.

    I’m surprised by the number of people who think the government is the only one who can make any rules in the mask game. An owner of a business, a piece of land, a park, a public gathering event, may and do make rules as to how participants must behave. Generally speaking, participants don’t need to patronize businesses, go to the parks, attend the public events, etc. It’s their choice to do so.


    These silly mask wars and they are silly, are taking place all over the Internet because that’s all people can talk about in their limited world, what they observe one out and about. Our Next door discourse has a heated debate about owners of the Asian food store requiring that customers put on a mask in their store and escorting them out if no mask. Cool. His store, his rules.
    DH had to go to the eye doc today. Guy ahead of him did not bring a mask. They told him to leave. He said he thought they would provide it. Said they ran out 2 days ago and told him to bring his own. He didn't, so he had to leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    He said he thought they would provide it. Said they ran out 2 days ago and told him to bring his own. He didn't, so he had to leave.
    My local restaurants don't provide shirts or shoes to patrons either. I have seen places that keep some men's jackets and ties handy for loan however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    DH had to go to the eye doc today. Guy ahead of him did not bring a mask. They told him to leave. He said he thought they would provide it. Said they ran out 2 days ago and told him to bring his own. He didn't, so he had to leave.
    DH goes to the eye doctor tomorrow for a surgery follow up. He will take a mask with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tammy View Post
    Please remember that we still don’t know immunity stays with us for the long term.
    As of yet, immunity has not been established. There is a great deal of evidence that those with antibodies, then thinking they are immune, are once again testing positive.

    We don't know enough.

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