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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    If that's your takeaway I guess we'll continue to have riots from time to time as the more egregious wrongs continue to happen.
    Why, what have I done? I think it's perfectly reasonable to not condone rioting and violence as fervently as not condoning whatever sparked them.
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    I took a sociology class in college called Minority Groups. The professor pointed out that until a pedestrian or two are killed, nothing much is done about problematic intersections, no matter how much hue and cry they inspire. After the bodies start piling up, a stop sign or signal light is installed, and the problem goes away. In the same way, nothing much is done to ease legitimate minority tensions until the aggrieved crowd gets so fed up--another of their community is killed by police, say--they riot and burn a building or two. Then, a nervous establishment vows to make systemic changes. And sometimes they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    All I'm saying is that when injustice happens people get angry. That's just part of the human condition. Anyone who doesn't understand that is doomed to see it happen again and again. One of the aftereffects of the White Night Riot is that California got rid of the "diminished capacity" law that had allowed White to get off with an absurdly light sentence.

    The solution is not to vilify the rightfully angry rioters. Or to get all hand-wringy about property damage. The value of the damaged property pales in comparison to the lost lives. The solution is to make changes to society so that they have no reason to get angry again in the future.
    B.S. Do damage to others that did nothing to you? I can see peaceful protest but this destroying property and now whole neighborhoods complete bullsh$t! That does nothing but cause terror and erode society.

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    I see the record of it making political changes as far more half empty than all that, I mean I don't know if you could point to it doing so in 40 years and there have been protests and riots. I suppose this time could be different. Electoral politics not working out so well lately either? Well yea not in the last 40 years either.

    And though it could happen the establishment no matter how blue has not vowed to make political changes, at all.
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    This country has a history of violent rebellion; that's how we got here.

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    As Martin Luther King Jr said "A riot is the language of the unheard."

    At the end of the day we as a society have two choices. We can either continue to not listen and not make the systemic changes that will help solve the injustice faced by minorities in their dealings with police and continue to have riots from time to time, or we can actually listen, and work to fix the injustices and thus eliminate the reason that the riots keep occurring. Complaining that people shouldn't riot is not a particularly useful strategy. People whose loved ones are dying are not inclined to care what you think they should or shouldn't do in response to those deaths. They just want the deaths to stop and if a riot is the only way to get society's attention then that's what will happen.

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    of course more people's loved one's are going to die because covid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan
    Treat everyone as I'd like to be treated.
    If everyone took that primitive attitude, think of the damage it would do. Whole political movements, bodies of law, corporate departments, government agencies, academic disciplines and industries would be destroyed. If we based our obligations to one another on one individual to another rather than the identities assigned to us by credentialed specialists, we wouldnít be the enlightened society we are today.
    That Alan. Such a subversive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post

    The solution is not to vilify the rightfully angry rioters. Or to get all hand-wringy about property damage. The value of the damaged property pales in comparison to the lost lives. The solution is to make changes to society so that they have no reason to get angry again in the future.
    Well said.

    Iíve donated to the ACLU and black lives matter this week. Iím too scared to join the protesters nonviolent marches. Both scared of covid and scared of the violent few joining us. I admit that. But I give money. I do what I can.

    Iíve got a 6 year old biracial grandson. His life matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tammy View Post
    I’m too scared to join the protesters nonviolent marches. Both scared of covid and scared of the violent few joining us. I admit that.
    Yea well, I'm not so sanguine about it for the rest of us either. But I really don't even think you going out risking covid would be the right thing to do, given your work with vulnerable patients, I guess you could test constantly*

    * which is more than most non-medical people can even do now given publicly available covid testing ITSELF has been shut down some because of this
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