Child sex dolls

[Alan]

I'm not sure what to think of sex dolls. On the one hand I wouldn't consider them any different than a more mainstream sex toy women might possess such as a vibrator. But on the other hand if the doll is designed to replicate a child's body I'd find that to go against a norm I'd rather not see broached. I guess I'd rather not see government try to regulate it but wouldn't mind a little social shaming.

On reflection I think I'd say that any sex play with products representing consenting adult activities is fine but any that promote non-consensual activity shouldn't be taken lightly.

[razz]

Bash my Barbie, I will smash your Hot Wheel kind of deal?

Pornography and pedophilia/child sex abuse is a national issue and definitely under the jurisdiction of the federal government as states (and provinces in my case) could never begin to control what happens especially with the internet enabling the problems. Youth trafficking for sex across NA is a huge problem as well. Shaking my head as I just don't understand how anyone could see this otherwise. Help me understand.

A child-for-sex toy is not a harmless and innocent object. Companion robots and dolls are very different in intent and use or abuse.

[iris lilies]

Bash my Barbie, I will smash your Hot Wheel kind of deal?

Pornography and pedophilia/child sex abuse is a national issue and definitely under the jurisdiction of the federal government as states (and provinces in my case) could never begin to control what happens especially with the internet enabling the problems. Youth trafficking for sex across NA is a huge problem as well. Shaking my head as I just don't understand how anyone could see this otherwise. Help me understand.

A child-for-sex toy is not a harmless and innocent object. Companion robots and dolls are very different in intent and use or abuse.

Of course it is harmless object. It is just a thing that doesn’t move, emit noxious fumes, or cause harm in other ways. It has no inherent harmful qualities, it is a hunk of plastic.

What you seem to object to is what a human may potentially do with it. Well, that’s a pretty big leap assuming that a human is doing something with it. An even further leap of belief that the action is unsavory. And then, the assumption that a human doing something with the hunk of plastic somehow harms a real life person.

All those are assumptionS, and your ( the generic you) assumption results in someone losing their liberty by going to jail. That’s not acceptable to me.

10 years in prison:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-sex-doll.html

[rosarugosa]

I don't know enough to have an informed opinion. If the dolls diverted someone from pursuing a real child, then that would be a good thing. If the dolls fanned the flames of pedophilia, then that would be a bad thing.

[razz]

I'm done with this thread. When one has seen children harmed, the bias to protect them from predators supports federal laws to govern the harmful triggers. You feel differently, IL. Let's agree to disagree.

[jp1]

I'm done with this thread. When one has seen children harmed, the bias to protect them from predators supports federal laws to govern the harmful triggers. You feel differently, IL. Let's agree to disagree.

Way upthread you stated that there was likely plenty of research after I had said there likely wasn’t. If there is research showing that these dolls don’t divert people but instead intensify their desires I doubt many people would disagree with outlawing them.

But I would want to see the research before I agreed to do that. Let me reiterate. WHAT DOES THE RESEARCH ACTUALLY SAY? I would not want to outlaw them just based on the fear that they cause harm. Just as we are stupid to teach abstinence only sex education or no sex education on the incorrect assumption that if teens don’t know about sex they won’t have any.

[iris lilies]

I'm done with this thread. When one has seen children harmed, the bias to protect them from predators supports federal laws to govern the harmful triggers. You feel differently, IL. Let's agree to disagree.

ok, yep.

Child sexual abuse is terrible and perpetrators are skilled at insidious practice. Thats why it is the so hard to combat, the sneaky slyness of it all with victims who don't have full agency.

[iris lilies]

Way upthread you stated that there was likely plenty of research after I had said there likely wasn’t. If there is research showing that these dolls don’t divert people but instead intensify their desires I doubt many people would disagree with outlawing them.

But I would want to see the research before I agreed to do that. Let me reiterate. WHAT DOES THE RESEARCH ACTUALLY SAY? I would not want to outlaw them just based on the fear that they cause harm. Just as we are stupid to teach abstinence only sex education or no sex education on the incorrect assumption that if teens don’t know about sex they won’t have any.

I have a frenemy who is a sex therapist working with deviant behaviors at the order of the courts. She probably has insight into the research in this area, but I dont talk to her any more so cant pick her brain.

[happystuff]

Of course it is harmless object. It is just a thing that doesn’t move, emit noxious fumes, or cause harm in other ways. It has no inherent harmful qualities, it is a hunk of plastic. (or whatever).

What you seem to object to is what a human may potentially do with it. Well, that’s a pretty big leap assuming that a human is doing something with it. An even further leap of belief that the action is unsavory. And then, the assumption that a human doing something with the hunk of plastic somehow harms a real life person.

So are all the individual parts/components of a bomb, but regardless of what can potentially be done with these parts, it's okay for a human to have them until there is an assurance that human will somehow harm a real life person?

Again, I'm sure others will draw the line differently depending on specifics. I'm not sure I agree with the generic "it's a harmless object" argument in this case.

[Simone]

Child sexual abuse in particular is one of the reasons I couldn’t work with kids after 4 years. Social workers have killed themselves after everything they see.

Agree.

Listen on an empty stomach:

https://samharris.org/podcasts/213-worst-epidemic/