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    Why trump says he is holding up coronavirus aid.....


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    as Trevor Noah recently said on his "Daily (Social Distancing) Show": the question is no longer IF Trump will cheat, but HOW he will cheat.

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    Well, when your party's electoral success is dependent on preventing sizable quantities of voters who oppose you from voting you have to tweak your plans when shutting polling places isn't going to be as effective.

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    Is it cheating to not approve of every spending bill Congress suggests? I believe there's still an approximate $2T disparity between the Democratic House version of the bill and the Republican Senate version so I'm thinking there may be more than a $25B Postal Service windfall holding up the Coronavirus specific legislation's passage.
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    It certainly seems that the postal funding is Trump's biggest concern:

    “Now, they need that money in order to make the Post Office work, so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said. He added: “Now, if we don’t make a deal, that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting, they just can’t have it.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...ballots-dejoy/

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    Something I haven't heard anyone talk about, don't the states still control how they collect the votes they then translate into Electoral College votes? Who gets to decide that everyone must vote by mail?

    I don't particularly care how my vote is transmitted outside of strongly believing that voting is a responsibility not to be taken lightly and giving everyone a ballot and a postage paid envelope seems to undercut the gravity of this most precious responsibility. I think it promotes un-informed responses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Something I haven't heard anyone talk about, don't the states still control how they collect the votes they then translate into Electoral College votes? Who gets to decide that everyone must vote by mail?

    I don't particularly care how my vote is transmitted outside of strongly believing that voting is a responsibility not to be taken lightly and giving everyone a ballot and a postage paid envelope seems to undercut the gravity of this most precious responsibility. I think it promotes un-informed responses.
    Outside of states like Washington that have been doing it for years I don't think anyone is saying that everyone 'must' vote by mail. They are simply pointing out that in the middle of a highly contagious pandemic a lot of people likely will want to vote by mail.

    And yes, we should be talking about why trump is trying to stop nevada from controlling how they provide ballots to the state's registered voters.

    Personally I'd like as many people to vote as want to vote. After all, for better or for worse, everyone, not just voters, has to live with the results of the election. I don't recall anything in the constitution stating that lawmakers should seek to insure that voting is difficult enough that only properly informed voters, for however one might define that, should be able to vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    I don't recall anything in the constitution stating that lawmakers should seek to insure that voting is difficult enough that only properly informed voters, for however one might define that, should be able to vote.
    Well, other than that property owning or tax paying white male thing the original constitution recognized the individual states right to establish voting parameters. So yeah, guarantying approximately 6% of the population the right to vote didn't make it particularly difficult to spread democracy to the residents of a republic.

    In all seriousness though, even though the original voting rights may have been onerous, I think they highlighted the seriousness of the responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    And yes, we should be talking about why trump is trying to stop nevada from controlling how they provide ballots to the state's registered voters.
    Yeah, his indoctrination as a lifelong Democrat makes him dangerously impulsive and a poor Federalist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post

    In all seriousness though, even though the original voting rights may have been onerous, I think they highlighted the seriousness of the responsibility.
    Personally I think they highlight that the rich white men didn't want to let anyone else participate. And that the slave owners were super crafty in getting slaves counted as at least partial people in federal elections but without having the inconvenience of letting them vote.

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