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    Water crisis

    After years of scientists warning us, water is inching it’s way into the headlines. The Colorado river comes to mind first. Water rights, pollution, climate change, evaporation, deserts being turned into farmland or development and general waste are all parts of the problem.
    Between Covid, the Afghan war, hurricanes and wildfires this has taken a back seat.

    I don’t see much chance for politicians to actually help the people they represent. They are too busy bashing each other, creating divisions and catering to donors while raking in the cash. So it is going to be up to citizens to elevate the issue.

    As we approach this crisis what do you see happening and what can we do to help?

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    What can politicians do, anyway?

    I don’t know the answer, but building more human structures in desert-land doesn't seem like a good idea. This is, of course, reflecting my personal distaste for living in a place that doesnt seem supportive of human life. They are very artificial, the cities in the sand.

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    We treat water with disrespect. Water conservation is one of my hot buttons but few share my concerns, it seems. Like so many other issues, it will take a change in thought before any change in physical efforts and effects. Politicians will respond when the influencers on these issues raise the profile and interest of the general public.
    Who are the credible influencers?

    There has to be a different way of flushing human waste than using our drinking water supplies.
    There has to be a different model than the perfect green urban lawn irrigated at least twice a week with our drinking water.
    Are daily showers essential?
    Do we need to launder every garment every time it is worn? How many outfits does one need to wear each day and then throw in the wash?

    Farming has changed dramatically with better practices that preserve the soil, reduce erosion and maintain the stability of soil structure as well as steps like drip irrigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by razz View Post
    We treat water with disrespect. Water conservation is one of my hot buttons but few share my concerns, it seems. Like so many other issues, it will take a change in thought before any change in physical efforts and effects. Politicians will respond when the influencers on these issues raise the profile and interest of the general public.
    Who are the credible influencers?

    There has to be a different way of flushing human waste than using our drinking water supplies.
    There has to be a different model than the perfect green urban lawn irrigated at least twice a week with our drinking water.
    Are daily showers essential?
    Do we need to launder every garment every time it is worn? How many outfits does one need to wear each day and then throw in the wash?

    Farming has changed dramatically with better practices that preserve the soil, reduce erosion and maintain the stability of soil structure as well as steps like drip irrigation.
    I agree completely.
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    I don't think individuals will do anything until it hits them personally, when they have to pick and choose because fresh water has become a limited resource.
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    The water situation worries me less than this country’s deficit spending, BUT—it worries me. I cannot think about either one of them for any length of time, too scary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    The water situation worries me less than this country’s deficit spending, BUT—it worries me. I cannot think about either one of them for any length of time, too scary.
    I've always loved this quote:

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    I like that quote, catherine. I worry about lots of things, but not deficit spending - that's honestly too big of a chunk for me to worry about. Water, I worry. I do not understand the idea of "water rights" in that you can own land and not be able to drill for water because someone else owns the "rights" to it. Mineral rights, water rights, timber rights - the idea that those can be bought and sold without the land itself changing hands, and then not go with the land when it IS sold - that seem so very wrong to me. I do understand not owning or being able to dam or divert rivers or streams, as the water in those, above ground, is not stationary and affects many people. I know that the underground aquafers are likewise shared and I get that access could need to be restricted in certain instances, but individual property owners should not have the rights to that water sold out from under them, either literally or figuratively. By the same token, those who choose to live in a desert should not be able to take water to the extent that it impedes or actually depletes the entire water source. However, it's all about the money, who has it and who controls it. So I don't see any changes on the horizon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    I hate it when people (not you, the person who made that image) claim some obviously modern saying is a "Native American proverb" To be a proverb a saying has to be old and widely used. IOW it has to be "traditional wisdom", whereas this quote clearly originated after the Europeans invaded North America and began destroying the environment in order to make money -- a thing that you can't eat, can't wear to keep warm, and can't live in to stay dry during a storm.

    This is the real origin of that quote: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/page/3/

    And this is probably the oldest published version of that idea in America:

    In 1894 the importance of conserving natural resources was recognized and expressed in a report by the State Fish and Game Commissioner of North Dakota. The report cautioned that short-term thinking and narrow monetary motivations might lead to the destruction of the “last tree” and the “last fish”. The following passage shows thematic similarities to the quotation under investigation:

    "Present needs and present gains was the rule of action—which seems to be a sort of transmitted quality which we in our now enlightened time have not wholly outgrown, for even now a few men can be found who seem willing to destroy the last tree, the last fish and the last game bird and animal, and leave nothing for posterity, if thereby some money can be made."

    Native Americans did express that same idea in interviews and speeches in the 1970s, but it's not traditional wisdom. And the reason I'm ranting about this is the same reason Buffy Sainte Marie wrote "Now That The Buffalo's Gone".


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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    It is hard to,know which catastrophe will take place in my lifetime which is only a few years, but my supply of water will be ok for those few years. The financial collapse of the u.s.while unlikely, could happen sooner. Money will stave off many unpleasantries climate may throw my way.

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