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    Ad promoting IL abortion rights to attract businesses

    I usually avoid abortion discussions like the plague, but this is really fíed up. A Chicago business group ran an ad in a TX newspaper touting all these reasons why TX businesses should move to IL. Why this one is over the top? They were touting ILís protection of reproductive rights. Thatís right, folks, move your business to TX because IL will let your employees kill their unborn babies. This is just a very odd ad.

    Iím not getting into the abortion debate. Iím only posting about the ad itself.

    IL/Chicago comes up with some really screwed up stuff, but this one just has me scratching my head. 0A796194-8319-4D4A-A1BA-BF80FE3BFE2A.jpg

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    Well, creative i guess. Blech.

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    We've reached a point in society where a fetus in utero is considered to be something along the lines of Schrodinger's cat. At any point of it's residency it may be a live human worthy of protection or it may be some sort of tumor requiring expungement, it all depends upon the mother's belief and/or desire. Since it seems those with the latter point of view seem to be increasing, it's only natural for a business to exploit that delusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tradd View Post
    That’s right, folks, move your business [to IL from TX] because IL will let your employees kill their unborn babies.
    That isn't what it says at all! Not even close to it.

    Texas recently passed a law that intentionally restricts/suppresses voting by minorities and in heavily Democratic areas. Texas also recently passed a clearly unconstitutional law that bans all abortions including in cases of rape or incest unless the woman realizes she's pregnant and gets the abortion within six weeks of conception. And the Texas governor has repeatedly issued executive orders that fly in the face of any reasonable covid precautions, the latest being his executive order that no school or government building can require employees or visitors to wear a mask (and yet one of his current executive orders says any business that wants to can require employees or customers to wear a mask.)

    IL is just pointing to the most recent newsworthy breaches of voting rights, personal freedom, and public health policy in Texas and saying "We still respect your rights and believe in science."

    ETA: Bill Clinton said abortion should be "safe, legal, and rare." That's good enough for me and that settles it, except that I would add "Decisions about abortion and other medical proceedures should be made by the patient and doctor, not some government bureaucrat!"
    Last edited by GeorgeParker; 9-15-21 at 3:44pm. Reason: Corrected misattributed quote

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeParker View Post
    ETA: Ronald Regan said abortion should be "safe, legal, and rare."
    I believe that was Bill Clinton. I also believe Ronald Reagan would be appalled by your characterization of his beliefs since I vividly recall his often stated belief that abortion should only be used as a form of self defense, in other words if pregnancy should pose a risk of death or grievous harm to the mother. In that case I think he believed that abortion (in self defense) should not be a legal right but rather a non-prosecutable action, in much the same way all other uses of lethal force in self defense or defense of another are considered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I believe that was Bill Clinton.

    It was indeed:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...5a8_story.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I believe that was Bill Clinton. I also believe Ronald Reagan would be appalled by your characterization of his beliefs since I vividly recall his often stated belief that abortion should only be used as a form of self defense
    You're right. It was Clinton who first used that phrase. I was mistaken.

    But as to Reagan's beliefs: As governor of California he signed a very permissive abortion bill. He didn't start pushing a strong anti-abortion stance until later when it became obvious that being anti-abortion was politically advantageous. So I think he might have been closer to "safe, legal, and rare" than you'd like to admit. Certainly he was in favor of safe, legal abortions being available in cases where the life of the mother was in danger, and that's the most obvious example of a "Safe, legal, and rare" abortion. Any interpretation beyond that I'll leave to the analysis presidential scholars.

    BTW and just for your enjoyment:


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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeParker View Post
    But as to Reagan's beliefs: As governor of California he signed a very permissive abortion bill.
    Are you referring to the Therapeutic Abortion Bill which de-criminalized abortion to protect a woman's "physical or mental health"? I recall him saying he regretted that because he didn't anticipate the sheer volume of abortions based upon spurious medical claims. I don't see anything in his actions to dispute his "self defense only" ideology.
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    Safe, legal, and rare = use birth control.

    I don't see why I should respect what either Bill Clinton or Reagan say, I respect neither. But the position itself is reasonable, it basically amounts to saying it's preferable to use birth control and fewer abortions will be needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Are you referring to the Therapeutic Abortion Bill which de-criminalized abortion to protect a woman's "physical or mental health"? I recall him saying he regretted that because he didn't anticipate the sheer volume of abortions based upon spurious medical claims.
    You can regret something you created being misused, and still believe it is a good thing when used properly.

    The fact I voted for Reagan in 1981 and the fact I'm more or less defending him by suggesting that his actual opinions may have been less extreme than his political statements is as far as I'll go on that issue.

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