Roe v Wade

[Yppej]

Biden is saying if Roe goes then other rights like gay marriage go, and I've been thinking about this.

Since people like JP were not nice to me (recently rubbed in my face my son's estrangement from me), I am not going to worry about any of other people's rights. I am going to worry about my own rights to bodily autonomy and vote accordingly. He could have made a bodily autonomy alliance with me, where we each protect each other's rights, but instead he attacked me.

The burkha is back in Afghanistan. There are more ways to oppress women than denying them abortions, and forcing them to cover their faces is one of them.

[bae]

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

[catherine]

So we have abortion at the forefront of the culture war, a shooting war where we're helping one side while trying to avoid getting sucked into it directly and galloping inflation. If my hair wasn't so gray, I might think I was back in 1973.

Great point. Yes, it's deja vu all over again. As a musician of that age, Peter Seeger, wisely sang,

"When will you ever learn? Oh, when will you ever learn?"

[LDAHL]

Great point. Yes, it's deja vu all over again. As a musician of that age, Peter Seeger, wisely sang,

"When will you ever learn? Oh, when will you ever learn?"

I wonder how the guy they used to call “Stalin’s Songbird” would feel about the current war.

[bae]

I wonder how the guy they used to call “Stalin’s Songbird” would feel about the current war.

"I'm singing about old Joe, cruel Joe / He ruled with an iron hand / He put an end to the dreams / Of so many in every land / He had a chance to make / A brand new start for the human race / Instead he set it back / Right in the same nasty place / I got the Big Joe Blues / (Keep your mouth shut or you will die fast) / I got the Big Joe Blues / (Do this job, no questions asked) / I got the Big Joe Blues."

[gimmethesimplelife]

And what would that look like?

Probably not the safe and pleasant separation of extreme opposing sides I would wish for. For once, and no snark intended, I believe TMS has a valid point/take. Do I want a war? NO!!!

But I do believe it's not far fetched that one may be coming. And I believe this issue particularly could set it off.

Advice - Follow the Austrian proverb - When one teaches you who they are, takes notes, remember, pay attention. This issue will show the true character of many people.

Rob

[LDAHL]

"I'm singing about old Joe, cruel Joe / He ruled with an iron hand / He put an end to the dreams / Of so many in every land / He had a chance to make / A brand new start for the human race / Instead he set it back / Right in the same nasty place / I got the Big Joe Blues / (Keep your mouth shut or you will die fast) / I got the Big Joe Blues / (Do this job, no questions asked) / I got the Big Joe Blues."

And it only took him until 2007 to come to that conclusion. Either he was less than sincere or a very slow learner.

[bae]

And it only took him until 2007 to come to that conclusion. Either he was less than sincere or a very slow learner.

My father-in-law, after serving in the US Army in Europe during and immediately after WWII, elected to stay in Eastern Europe for several years helping "build a bold new socialist world". He was also a member of the John Reed Society at Harvard.

Upon his return he somewhat moderated his beliefs as he aged. Indeed, when I first met him, he was a fairly successful slum lord in his spare time.

[ApatheticNoMore]

My dad co-owned an apartment building in a poor area at one time, but found he was a failed slum lord, kept feeling sorry for the poor little old lady and so on tenants, couldn't do it, got rid of that place.

[Alan]

And if Roe vs. Wade is overturned, activism will be going far beyond mine.....and more pressure for the US to dissolve/split.

My gut is overturning Roe vs. Wade will not end well.

Rob

I doubt much activism will go beyond yours, and I think ending Roe vs Wade would be a good thing for all involved. At that point Pelosi and Schumer will plan a full court press in their respective legislative bodies to ensure that abortions at any point in a pregnancy, including the day before natural birth, are legalized. The Republicans will insist that the life of the baby must be given equal protection which will force the Democrats to consider the rights of someone other than a potential voter in the next election. They'll all fight amongst themselves and call each other names until the Democrats are forced to acknowledge the other life involved and everyone will eventually settle upon a similar model that most other countries use. The fetus will be granted the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, along with all the same civil rights as the mother somewhere around the 15th week of gestation and any abortions after that point will be limited to specific instances where the life of one party is in jeopardy or where other specific circumstances are present. And our society will be better for it.