Doesn't seem like smart business to kill off 7 million of your potential customers.Originally Posted by iris lilies
In the long term, those older people will have died anyway. Then there will be new old people to get rid of.
The problem is long covid has now disabled a boatload of people of working age (some of whom can't work, many of whom can no longer work the hours or jobs they did - estimates 2-4 million in the u.s. can't work due to long covid). So if that was the plan, it was an extremely dumb plan that backfired spectacularly. Does China have working people to spare? The U.S. rather clearly doesn't or not as many as that anyway.
I don't believe it was planned though. But a lab leak due to carelessness, sure that is quite possible. Of course regardless of that anti-China agendas are also entirely possible and may be pushing stuff into the news now as that hypothesis is really very old news. Not good.
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When the topic of big bad China comes up, I always wonder what amazon would do without their vendors and products. Or most any of our businesses with Chinese made goods.
I don’t know WHY it wasn’t reasonable to think it could’ve escaped from that lab. No evidence for it, sure. Never will be any “evidence.” It was argued pretty strongly against on this board as well.
John Stewart’s bit remains the best commentary on this phenomenon of Wuhan’s lab leak not allowed to be discussed. i’m sure everyone’s heard it by now but it’s at 3.00 if you haven’t. And in the past 48 hours John Stewart has been commenting on Dept of Energy
News release and the untold crap he got for his position. I thought he was mostly kidding when he was on Colbert a year ago to joke about Wuhan lab leak, but apparently not.
once again, we have to let the comedians say the stuff that needs to be said.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_lr1WpAw7qw
https://news.yahoo.com/dare-jon-stew...202138738.html
Some interesting observations:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/28/o...ent-covid.html
The thing about discussions of the lab leak in the height of the pandemic is they were actually irrelevant. You don't deal with a crisis by arguing about the origins if they aren't going to provide any useful information about dealing with it. And in fact it was used as deflection from the fact the pandemic response was total chaos. It was like children arguing over who hit who first. It doesn't even matter, you just need to break up the fight. Long after the fact when you aren't in a crisis yea maybe. And we are at a more manageable phase. However I'm still suspicious of why this topic is being brought up again right now by the powers that be, since it's a very old topic. Are they after China or what? War with China after war with Russia, um can things get any worse? (if that's what they want, I don't really know)
I never get this "not supposed to be discussed" business, because whenever I hear people claiming that I'm like what are you talking about? It was discussed all over the place. I followed Zeynep Tufekci at the Atlantic now the NYT during the pandemic and she was always arguing it was possible etc.. Others had different opinions. But maybe this was discussed more on social media and substacks? I don't know I followed twitter where almost all of the covid discussion under Trump was actually happening as the official information was so bad. I also follow the ocassional podcast, substacks, blogs (archaic but there are a few), and of course news articles. So everything that someone claims is not supposed to be discussed I always find is something being discussed all over the place. I don't even consume right wing media really or anything particularly conspiratorial. I don't do Fox or right wing radio or Joe Rogan or Jimmy Dore or any of that.
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I can’t read it because I don’t have a subscription. Why don’t you tell us why we’ve been talking about it all wrong.
One reason it is being brought up now is because the panic is over and Monday morning quarterbacking is taking place. Review of government action is what citizens may do. And you were wrong that it could be discussed everywhere because there was no “discussion “ in some social media sites. At times Covid posts that did not fit the prevailing narrative were deleted. Sometimes Anyone who brought up Wuhan Lab leak was shouted down as “racist,” a current method of closing discussion.
Why you say it doesn’t matter that we know the origin of this worldwide virus that killed millions of people and interrupted our society for a couple of years is beyond me. Now, I don’t think we’ll ever really get there because China, but if our government continues to probe and does identify some facts around the source of this virus, that’s only to the good. Transparency is good, especially in anything to do with this Covid caper.
I remember reading multiple times that the Wuhan lab had a spotty safety record. So I can totally accept that an accidental exposure happened. Of course, China would cover it up. There was a Chinese doctor at the very beginning of 2020, who brought up what he had seen in some patients on a chat with other doctors, and the Commies came down on him like a ton of bricks. He died of the plague.
My take from the good NYT article is that there has been no new information that would provide more evidence one way or the other. We may never know. What has changed is geopolitics and national politics. And that even if the confidence in a lab leak is low, there should be some new focus on global lab safety and precautions to reduce or eliminate the risk of a future event. There was more to the article, but that's my take..
Trump was such a prolific liar that I can picture a conspiracy theory backlash when he politicized it and immediately assigned it to a lab leak. Now that the big liar is out of office, there might be a more objective take.
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