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    I have to look up the definition of fascism occasionally as a memory refresh. The definitions I most commonly run across associate it with the far right. Trump seems to fall within the definition I tend to interpret, although they seem to vary slightly one to another.

    Fascism is generally defined as a political movement that embraces far-right nationalism and the forceful suppression of any opposition, all overseen by an authoritarian government. Fascists strongly oppose Marxism, liberalism and democracy, and believe the state takes precedence over individual interests. They favor centralized rule, often a single party or leader, and embrace the idea of a national rebirth, a new greatness for their country. Economic self-sufficiency is prized, often through state-controlled companies. Youth, masculinity and strength are highly fetishized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I have to look up the definition of fascism occasionally as a memory refresh. The definitions I most commonly run across associate it with the far right. Trump seems to fall within the definition I tend to interpret, although they seem to vary slightly one to another.

    Fascism is generally defined as a political movement that embraces far-right nationalism and the forceful suppression of any opposition, all overseen by an authoritarian government. Fascists strongly oppose Marxism, liberalism and democracy, and believe the state takes precedence over individual interests. They favor centralized rule, often a single party or leader, and embrace the idea of a national rebirth, a new greatness for their country. Economic self-sufficiency is prized, often through state-controlled companies. Youth, masculinity and strength are highly fetishized.

    I myself cannot always conjure up a good definition of fascism, so I have to look it up too.

    I see these elements from your definition of fascism in current left ideology:

    liking authoritarian government in telling citizens what to think, commanding them in some health decisions, informing them what to fear and what not to fear

    opposing several elements of liberalism (especially free-speech,)

    a bit light on loving democracy (such as when the democratically elected Donald Trump wins)

    the state should be the leader in all things, with a special love of the state determining what is “true” fact and suppressing all other information

    In keeping with their love of state control, centralized rule is a wonderful thing in Left Land.

    The idea of “youth, masculinity, and strength [as being ] highly fetishized” is super interesting, because we have certainly entered a world where non-sex and gender bending identity is …Fetishized? If not fetishized, it is certainly promoted as front and center of a national identity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    I myself cannot always conjure up a good definition of fascism, so I have to look it up too.

    I see these elements from your definition of fascism in current left ideology:

    liking authoritarian government in telling citizens what to think, commanding them in some health decisions, informing them what to fear and what not to fear

    opposing several elements of liberalism (especially free-speech,)

    a bit light on loving democracy (such as when the democratically elected Donald Trump wins)

    the state should be the leader in all things, with a special love of the state determining what is “true” fact and suppressing all of their information

    In keeping with their love of state control, centralized rule is a wonderful thing in Left Land.

    The idea of “youth, masculinity, and strength [as being ] highly fetishized” is super interesting, because we have certainly entered a world where non-sex and gender bending identity is …Fetishized? If not fetishized, it is certainly promoted as front and center of a national identity.
    I guess fascism must apply to both the left and also the right, then. It's a matter of degree.

    Or maybe if you go far enough to the right or left, it ends up meeting in the same place.
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    Washington University’s transgender clinic as well as the trans clinic in the middle of my state have declared they will stop treating ALL minors with medical intervention immediately. (!)

    My state recently passed a law that would allow these clinics to continue to treat SOME minors with drugs and surgery. But the law also expands potential legal action by people treated when minors.

    I find this very interesting. When the profit motive is put in jeopardy they stop treating the teens, regardless of standards set by the medical community, and also allowances by my state. I wonder why this is. Could it be the growing trend of lawsuits by trans people who had their bodies damaged by gender reassignment treatment when they were teens? Could it be that the trans clinics really don’t have that much faith in their treatments at all and treatments exist primarily for $ $$?

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I guess fascism must apply to both the left and also the right, then. It's a matter of degree.

    Or maybe if you go far enough to the right or left, it ends up meeting in the same place.
    Rogar: You continue to impress me with your wisdom.

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    Update to the madness of the trans world:

    “women only spaces” which would be an annoying buzz phrase to me under normal circumstances is starting to make sense.

    Gay girls are being pressured to accept trans identifying men as their love interest. Trans Identifying men are invading lesbian spaces.

    https://afterellen.com/tasmania-rule...n-only-spaces/

    it is against the law in Tasmania for lesbian women to exclude trans identifying men in their events.

    This nice young lady talks about how her successful lesbian dating meet ups or some early canceled when she asked a grow be trans identifying man to live. The man gave unwelcome physical touch to a woman there.

    https://afterellen.com/tasmania-rule...n-only-spaces/

    But the most useful and real testimony comes from young swimmer Paula Scanlon who was the victim of sexual assault, and who did not like being in the locker room 118 times with Leah Thomas. For those of you who don’t understand what this means, elite swimmers take a LONG time to put on their swimsuits. These suits are especially constructed and require a half an hour at least to wriggle into, it isn’t a quick “ on and done” dressing action.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UEb4ktIh9k0&t=1s

    in her testimony, she talks about how all of the concerns of several women were ignored. These young women were essentially canceled, and their concern for safety and unease.
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    I watched a couple of documentaries about recent cults in our society. Probably many of you know about the NXIVM scandal, you know, the self improvement cult headed by Keith Raniere centered in Albany, New York. He was brought down a couple of years ago and is in prison for life for sex trafficking and other crimes. I also watched a documentary about the current cult “ Twin Flame” about finding your true soulmate, run by a married couple.

    All of the people who fall for the stuff… Well, that’s another story.

    Anyway – it strikes me about these cults and others like them is the inevitable subjugation of women. It doesn’t start out that way, and it doesn’t appear that way in the beginning or at a surface level. But as a cult progresses, it all becomes about sexual victimization of women. Keith Raniere built his empire to brutalize women and provide a steady stream of sexual conquests, some of them adult women and some of them minors.

    The “Twin Flame” couple perhaps have not reached that place of female subjugation for the leader - yet – but there are signs they are going in that direction.

    It is fascinating to me to see how extremely rigid sex roles are in these cults and in every other cult I can think of. Keith Raniere commanded his followers to accept the fact that men required and deserve multiple sex partners and women did not.

    The “ Twin Flames” ” couple is doing something VERY interesting with trans ideology: they have pushed hetero cis people, coerced them, to accept themselves as opposite sex people. This is happening because the Twin Flames leaders are matchmaking in their ranks and there are 80% women and 20% men. So voila! they need to create more men to line up with their rigid sex role ideals.

    whoever would’ve thought trans ideology would become a weapon in this way? Crazy.

    also, I wonder often why there is or can be such rigidity in trans idealogy. It just seems counter intuitive that black and white gender roles exist here, but it rather seems like cult-think.
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    One trans woman You Tuber who doesn’t irritate me much is Maya Henry. But even Maya falls into the “I can do woman better than real women” box in her most recent video sharing details of her post-op life of 3 years.

    In her video we learn her vagina is porn-star pretty with none of the excessive fleshy parts natal women might have.

    Thank you Maya for explaining to us what real women should aspire to. Not really. Here we have yet another man explaining what women should be, yet another man invading women’s spaces.

    I think Maya may go on my list of irritating You Tubers after all.

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    That annoys me, too--a trans woman telling cis women how they should be. Kind of like when I told the male doctor that I needed to get to the delivery room and he told me, "oh, I guess you think you're in labor." Or it's like my brother who never worked more than four weeks at a time telling me how I should run my businesses.

    My son was dying to see the movie Barbie for some reason. It hasn't really been on my list, but whatever, I went along and even let him pay the ridiculous $20 Amazon was charging to see it on Prime. Well, about halfway in, when DS and DH saw how Ken was sidelined and shut out from all important roles in BarbieWorld because all those jobs went to "Barbies" and when they heard America Ferrara's spot-on monologues, both DS and DH checked out. They hated the movie. "This is an anti-men movie!!" they complained.

    I guess my point is, the subtle proof of male dominance emerges everywhere, everyday, in small ways. I'm not a strident feminist, but sometimes it gets annoying.
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    I know some kids who use Barbie for a drinking game. You have to chug a beer every time someone says “patriarchy”.

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