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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    It's rare that I agree with anything trump has said. But this statement of his from July 2018 is something I can agree with:

    "As the head of the executive branch and Commander in Chief, I have a unique, Constitutional responsibility to protect the Nation’s classified information, including by controlling access to it…. More broadly, the issue of [a former executive branch official’s] security clearance raises larger questions about the practice of former officials maintaining access to our Nation’s most sensitive secrets long after their time in Government has ended. Such access is particularly inappropriate when former officials have transitioned into highly partisan positions and seek to use real or perceived access to sensitive information to validate their political attacks. Any access granted to our Nation’s secrets should in furtherance of national, not personal, interests."
    I agree, but he didn't write, understood, or mean those words, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Please do tell us how hillary was sharing state secrets with people they shouldn't be and how she was conspiring to hide the fact that she had stolen stuff. I realize false whataboutism is the current republican talking point but geez, you people need to get out of your bubbles and realize how stupid that talking point sounds.
    I don’t understand how deletion of thousands of emails isn’t hiding something. What Hillary did may or may not be more egregious than all of the hiding activity with security documents found in everyone’s bathroom, garage, Corvette, etc. I really don’t know because I don’t know the details but in the overview is all kind of the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I see that Rachel Maddow has suggested that the DOJ should dismiss all charges against Trump in exchange for him dropping out of the Presidential race. I wonder if that hasn't been the goal all along?
    Where did you see/hear that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher Terry View Post
    I am definitely not in favor of charges being dropped for trump. He deserves to go to prison! I wouldn’t shed a tear if that soulless devil had the big one. I wish the democrats had someone younger that was a viable candidate as I think Biden needs to retire.

    The economy is a big issue here as prices are very high. I am definitely against forgiving student loans and talk of reparations is one of the stupidest things I’ve heard in a long time.
    Ditto on all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    Where did you see/hear that?
    If I'm not mistaken--and I think I watched that segment--she wasn't suggesting anything, but wondering out loud whether the DOJ might offer Trump that kind of deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Please do tell us how hillary was sharing state secrets with people they shouldn't be and how she was conspiring to hide the fact that she had stolen stuff. I realize false whataboutism is the current republican talking point but geez, you people need to get out of your bubbles and realize how stupid that talking point sounds.
    Okay---in case you did not know, espionage is a Capital Offense. End of story. Case Closed. So yeah---Get the rope.2023-06-10 (4).jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    Where did you see/hear that?
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    I don’t understand how deletion of hundreds of thousands of emails isn’t hiding something. What Hillary did may or may not be more egregious than all of the hiding activity with security documents found in everyone’s bathroom, garage, Corvette, etc. I really don’t know because I don’t know the details but it the overview is all kind of the same thing.
    So what about rice and Powell before her? They all did the same thing except didn’t use IT people that weren’t authorized to do work on classified systems. That was her one and only crime. Not even remotely similar to what trump has been accused of. But by all means continue on with your whataboutism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    So what about rice and Powell before her?
    I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe they used their personal accounts to conduct the business of their office. If I recall correctly, they were both condemned by the media in a classic case of whataboutism when they admitted to having personal email accounts on their government issued phones regardless of the fact there was no evidence either used those accounts for anything other than personal use.
    Sometimes whataboutism applies when discussing a specific case, but not in this one.
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    Yes. What aboutism applies in this case. Hillary consulted rice on what to do before she set up her server. And followed rice’s advice except that she hired inapproprite IT people. To claim that that somehow compares to stealing documents, refusing to give them back, and disclosing them to people not aithorozed to know about them is absurd.

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