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    Depending on whose numbers you believe corn ethanol is either modestly beneficial at reducing fossil fuel use or is actually more energy intensive. From what I’ve read the ethanol made in brazil from sugarcane is significantly more energy efficient than corn ethanol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Depending on whose numbers you believe corn ethanol is either modestly beneficial at reducing fossil fuel use or is actually more energy intensive. From what I’ve read the ethanol made in brazil from sugarcane is significantly more energy efficient than corn ethanol.
    Where do they grow that sugarcane? I seem to recall it's on land previously-known-as-rainforest, so that can't be an especially ecological approach either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    Where do they grow that sugarcane? I seem to recall it's on land previously-known-as-rainforest, so that can't be an especially ecological approach either.
    Very true. Obviously burning down big chunks of the globe’s biggest carbon sink is probably not the best plan but it is somewhat understandable why a developing economy would do so to thwart being beholden to the major fossil fuel producers. And at least from an energy standpoint it makes sense, at least compared to growing corn to fuel cars. In a perfect world the richest nations would be supporting Brazil to prevent what they are doing but we certainly don’t live in that world.

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    Okay----As summa you kids know, I am opposed to darn near everything. Yup. Or, at least 87.45% of everything. I just pulled that random figure out of my narrow mind, btw. So anyway---I am VERY opposed to E85. See, what it is, is corn--a grain-- being used to make motor fuel, so people can just get out and DRIVE, for something to "do". Basically, an aggravated rape of the land. Like tearing the siding off your house to burn it in the wood stove. Yup. And then---it is harder on your vehicle, since unlike petroleum it is just alcohol, a solvent that dissolves or oxidizes the parts on your car. Yup. The 'puter on your car has to adjust the fuel mixture to "richen" it, since alcohol is higher octane BUT doesn't produce as much energy. But yeah--it's also a costly scam of consumers, to please agribusiness by generating a market for grain, on land that should soley be used to "perduce"(a Grassleyism) Foodstuffs for a growing population. So yeah---there's much capital investment involved in gasohol production plants. Is that better than fracking and pipelines? Not really. The local opposition by neighbors of gasohol plants in rural areas is usually overruled by officials in the back pockets of big agerbizness. But, I know you kids won't take my word for anything, and sorry I cannot recommend a book that supports my view & because most of what you read or are exposed to in media are just pro-gasohol(E85) industry propaganda, about how it provides JOBS and so on. The only thing worse would be to feed ALL the grain to factory-farmed hogs, cattle, and poultry, then slaughter the animals for the choicest cuts of meat and then use the rest of the carcass to make motor fuel. I'm sure it probably could be done, if only there were more industry/gubbbmint subsidies for the technology and infrastructure. Yup. But yeah, we are burning the candle at both ends until an asteroid hits and extinguishes mankind. Hope that helps you kids. Thankk mee.

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