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    Calling All Community College Faculty

    There is a posting for an ESL adjunct at a local community college. I applied for their full-time position last February and did not get an interview. I believe they leave this adjunct posting up all the time to build a pool, as I was on campus for my current job a few weeks ago and happened past the HR office, where it was not posted in paper form like the rest of their positions.

    I would like to try out teaching an evening class in ESL. I have a K-12 license and an M.Ed. but no experience with ESL; all my experience is with elementary grade Spanish. However, there are many aspects of language learning that transfer across age levels and target language and I feel confident that I would be effective. I am in a position now where I work with adults, too, so that would help my experience level.

    Contemplating next steps. I keep coming back to this idea, so it's not a whim. Since I didn't get an interview before, I don't want to just submit the same online application again and call it good. Do I call HR and ask what the deal is? Ask for feedback on my previous application? Good things to bring up in the cover letter to get a look in this kind of scenario? I don't want to put anyone off by being too aggressive, but then again, what have I got to lose?

    Any help is appreciated. Thank you, all!
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    I've taught at a community college and I found it very political when it comes to hiring. I don't know if that is the case where you are applying, but if you know someone who teaches there -- even if it is in a different department -- you may want to ask him/her to put in a good word for you with the appropriate person.

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    I second what cdttmm said. I taught in a community college for long enough to get tenure and it was quite an effort to get the position and the work wasn't all that easy, either.

    I suggest that you send your paperwork in to HR but that you ALSO send a copy to the chair of the department that offers the course. Follow up with the chair and it works best if you can create a brief face to face meeting. Full time positions are filled through a committee process but usually adjunct faculty are just hired by the department chair. NOT THE HR department, even though they really, really want all of your communication to go through them. So find out who the chair is, and if you know anyone in the department, ask what it is like, get a meeting with the chair and bring your resume and your best interested expression, and your charm. It does make a difference.

    The fact that you are a TEACHER is a very good thing for CC. We used to get lots of fresh new PhDs who couldn't get a university appointment but wanted to do research and to discuss their research with students, etc. These kinds of candidates often didn't really have the teaching interest or the ability to come to the level where our students were learning. So I suggest that you emphasize your varied teaching experiences, your willingness to work with people where they are, your emphasis on experiential learning, small groups, all those things that are needed by learners who are not the usual post-secondary crowd. LOTS of what you know about teaching kids is absolutely applicable to teaching adults but you need to couch it in the expected terms.

    Of course all this is probably stuff you already did when you prepared your initial application. Sorry if I got a bit carried away. I am no longer in community college but it was certainly a formative experience for me. I loved a lot about it. I hope you get this adjunct opportunity so that you can get some excellent evaluations and use them for the next full time position that opens up.

    Good luck.

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    Teaching ESL is a pretty specific discipline. I'd ask HR what the specific qualifications are.

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    I had a few years experience teaching in a community college. Every college is somewhat unique in the "ebb and flow" of personnel. My own appointment, I believe, was highly determined by the recommendation I received from a colleague and friend of the dean of the faculty.

    In your case, you are equipped with what looks like a smashingly good set of skills and academic training. If you have references or recommendations, I would suggest putting them out there alongside your academic and job experience.

    If I were in your situation, I would begin with an axiom that you would be a tremendous asset on that community college faculty. Therefore, I would not solicit feedback about why you were not hired before. (Obviously, they made a mistake before.... not as bad as the invasion of Gallipoli, mind you... but now you can give them a second chance to hire you, all for the greater Good.)

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    Im not a community college teacher, but I follow the industry press on academic hiring quite closely. The adjunct opportunities can be good for supplemental income in some fields (business, law) but in humanities and social sciences adjunct positions are often highly exploitative -- low pay for long hours, no job security, etc. As a real teacher with significant classroom experience you may have advantages. But you also might not be considered at all if you don't have a master's/Ph.D specifically in TOESL/TOESOL. That is a field that has a lot of programs training people for fewer and fewer jobs, so I am guessing the competition is probably pretty fierce.

    I'd try to do some networking or interviewing with at least a few of their current ESL teachers. See what they say about the hiring process and the work environment. Even just looking up names and googling people to get their linkedin profile info might give you useful information about what their educational background/degree status is. I would try to do at least some of that kind of background research before approaching the department chair.

    Approaching HR is also a good idea, but I would also try to dig around a bit more with people who actually teach the classes to get the real story and find out if this is an environment you even want to consider working in. I don't want to be dramatic, but there are a lot of very unhappy people out there in adjunct land -- some happy ones, too, but my strong sense is that there are many many fewer of those. Read the job advice section and forums on The Chronicle of HIgher Education's online site for awhile and you'll see what I mean.

    Hope this isn't too Debbie Downer. I have just seen a lot of people who justify going into graduate programs (esp. MA level programs) saying "I don't want a R1 tenure track position, I'll be happy just teaching at community college level" without ANY apparent awareness of how challenging the employment situation is in most disciplines at all levels of the higher education system. Not that jobs aren't there, but it is often a lot harder than people think. If you are fine with adjuncting as a PT/sideline thing, that is fine and it can be a good option for supplemental income. But it is hard work and trying to make a living wage doing it is VERY, VERY difficult.

    I'll stop now. I'm even depressing myself.

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    PS: Kelli, just as an experiment I went into the Chronicle's job section and searched for community college ESL positions. One adjunct position (in Texas) came up, with this description:

    Adjunct Position Summary
    Adjunct faculty are hired in a part-time capacity on a semester-by-semester basis, contingent upon the needs of the System. Lone Star College System accepts application material year-round from qualified applicants willing to teach on a part-time basis. Adjunct (part-time) faculty hiring is based on student demand. We offer day, evening, and weekend classes. Classes are offered at various times and locations during the academic year. As a rule, adjunct faculty may teach a maximum of five classes per academic year.

    Required Qualifications
    Bachelor's or higher degree in TESOL, English, a foreign language, linguistics, related field, or a Bachelor's degree with a TESOL certificate, or a Master's degree with 18 graduate hours in English, TESOL, linguistics, foreign language, or related field. TESOL certification must be University or 9-12 certification.Adjunct Salary$37.80 per contact hour.

    So it looks like at least some places will consider you with an MA in a foreign language. NOt sure if that is the case with your community college, but worth inquiring further. As a teacher you know that each contact hour means roughly 2-3 hours of prep, grading and advising that is NOT compensated by the "salary" offered above. Probably more for a new course in a totally new to you field. See what I was saying about how grim it is?
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    Wow, lhamo, you sure have nailed it....it is grinding in many ways. Most happy adjuncts I have known just "love teaching" and don't mind the slave wages and hard work. There isn't much glory, for sure.

    But I liked it....

    But I am no longer doing it....hmm

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    Well, hmmm, you guys, you have me rethinking. I basically was teetering on burnout level at my other teaching job last spring, but thought maybe a change of pace and some more autonomy over my schedule/workflow, somewhat like I am experiencing in this current position (one-year, grant-funded ) would invigorate me. I will continue to think about it.

    I think the "love of teaching" thing is pervasive throughout the system. There is a perception that passion is enough Anyway, that's a whoooooole different ball of wax.

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    Well I've heard tell that ESL is one of the few things you might be able to teach adults without a PhD or even a Masters. Then again I'm not sure that was teaching college, or more just teaching in the community (I think some high schools even have adult classes in ESL for instance). This of course is California, where there is the immigrant population (as in any border state I guess).

    To teach most things at colleges, yes PhDs are becoming more and more necessary (not a strict requirement yet, but it is heading in that direction). And yet while we rule out more and more potential teachers college is becoming more and more unaffordable - hmpf - that's a rant for another day.
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