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    Quote Originally Posted by Serendipity View Post
    And what happened to the cats?????
    Oh, we went back the next morning, and they were waiting outside the non-existent front door for breakfast! As were the two goats we also turned out of their pen by the house, and they had huddled in the woods overnight.

    Both cats lived long lives after that... Mama goat was outplaced to a farm, her kid was butchered for a friend who was pregnant & poor (the kid was rambunctious, and so was her baby! He definitely got that kicky, bouncy young kid goat energy...). We moved into a tiny 200 sf cabin with our 2 big dogs, the cats, & the cocckkatiels (misspelled on purpose to evade the censor) we grabbed as we ran out of the house. One 'tiel died a month later, the other lived for another 20 years.

    We successfully sued the landlord for our losses, and I ended up building a darling home with the first community land trust in both the state & on Lopez. For 20 years, I celebrated the fire on the anniversary - Dec. 29th - by burning something I was done with. Last year I decided was my final ceremony, and I completely forgot about it till the posting earlier. This fire redirected my life in all the best ways, and I will be forever grateful for it. Thanks for 'listening'.
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    Our house was completely destroyed 20 years ago by Hurricane Andrew. We were out of the house for almost 3 years afterwards. Could tell a million stories about the experience and the aftermath. As just one example...I don't want to give the wrong impression by having you think that we were homeless for 3 years. Rental homes that were large enough for a family of six plus pets were in such short supply after the hurricane that our insurance company ended up having to put us up in a 6,000 sq ft mansion directly across the street from a (then) famous television star. He lived on the "poor" side of the street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herbgeek View Post
    We lost power for a week in October from a freak snowstorm that came before the leaves were off the trees. The biggest thing for me was how long it took just to do simple tasks, like washing dishes, without power. It was tiring, and I was not up for cooking from scratch the way I normally do. Too much time and too many dishes. Just flushing a toilet meant a couple of trips to haul water from the hot tub on the porch, all these little things added up. The first couple of days were fine, but lack of internet meant I was bored. I realized how dependent I am on my computer for information and entertainment.

    We were pretty lucky, as parts of town had power after the first two days, so I was able to grocery shop, and check my email at the library. In a true emergency, we would have run out of potable water after 2 days.
    Sometimes I really realize how dependent I am on the entire grid in times like these. There was a time in my early 20's when I had two small children and was homeless and lived by moving from public campground to campground. I wasn't "prepared" for much, but I cooked outdoors, used a small baby tub and filled it with water from the public showers to wash my kids in, washed and dried my clothes by hand, used public transportation to get to work.

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    I always laugh at survivalist cause I'm figuring they have never really been through something like that. Especially the ones who stock up guns along with their MRE's. First of all, who they gonna shoot? Their neighbor, when they ask for a crumb of something? From what I've seen, in extreme conditions, neighbors are generally in it together and helping each other, not sitting in a hidey-hole shooting at each other. And second of all, why MRE's? Why not canned ham and stuff like that. Stuff you would actually want to eat! You can even get canned bread, if you want. And then just rotate it. Which reminds me, with winter coming on I need to replenish my emergency, doesn't need cooking stuff.
    I think those are the folks who are going to be shooting. They've already wound themselves up, so they're gonna be jumpy and tetchy.

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    You might find Rebecca Solnit's book "A Paradise Built in Hell: The Extraordinary Communities That Arise in Disaster" quite interesting. Many communities seem to pull together and overcome bad times without resorting to Mad Max survivalist gunplay. It's pretty encouraging.

    It doesn't always go that way, though, for those of you familiar with the LA riots, and sometimes things fall apart...



    Or the recent London riots:



    As to MREs, they taste terrible, I'm not sure why anyone would stock them up by choice, if they were aware of better options or able to afford them. They *do* have the advantage of being available in large quantity relatively cheaply, having a very very long shelf life, are packaged in robust materials, and can be prepared and eaten without any heating or other cooking infrastructure, so they'd be pretty handy in a really bad situation.

    I gave up on them decades ago, the taste is just dreadful.

    Lifeboat ration bars are about as bad, in case you think that's an option :-) They are very nutritionally dense, though, and I pack them in my vehicles when in the Arctic.

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    I've never heard of lifeboat ration bars, but they sound dreadful. Yea, I never really understood the MRE thing. Now days you can get canned food that really resembles food somewhat and can last a really long time. If you rotate them out you can be ready for most anything.
    It has been my experience that in times of disaster or other extreme living conditions, neighbors come together to help one another rather than turn against each other. I suppose it's the shared aspect of it. As long as it doesn't become an 'us against them' type of thing, as some riot situations become. And yes, we see it in the tea party and occupy protests. When people feel isolated in their situation they feel threatened and that's when trouble begins, IMO. When we went through the hurricane it was all of us, in the whole neighborhood and indeed the whole town and several towns surrounding. Even I found other women who were pregnant and feeling the special pressures I was, so solidarity there.

    That book sounds interesting. I'll have to check it out. This has been my experience as well. Community rather than anarchy.

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    I think riots like in L.A. are good examples of society de escalating violently. It rises from a sense of total frustration and helplessness and rage. In times of need, such as through disaster, most people feel the opposite, a feeling of wanting to come together for comfort. Those of the MRE types are already in the first place and just waiting.

    I've already described my experiences with trying to create stored food, but the one thing I think it is good for, is padding against financial fall out. Loss of a job or income. So, in that respect, I think that for me, since stocking food didn't go so swimmingly, stocking up on sundries is a good hedge, since it won't get tossed.

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    We lost power for six weeks due to an ice storm that morphed into a blizzard when I was a kid. My parents were VERY self-sufficient so the impact was more just a matter of mild inconvenience than hardship. We heated with wood anyway so Mom's cooking just shifted from stove top to wood stove top. Lighting was a combination of flashlights and candle lanterns. We had a generator for the well so water wasn't a problem. We were huge gardener/canners and raised cattle and chickens so food was never an issue. It was the dead of winter so the freezer in the garage never thawed. I know Mom & Dad had to work harder, especially Mom with laundry and cooking, but since we were prepared it was really more of a luxurious camping trip than it was a disaster for us kids.

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    Natural disasters:

    Columbus Day storm, infamous in SW WA in 1962. I was just a kid, so didn't get the full effect my parents did. Our power was out for a week. I vividly remember all the stores (2) uptown doling out all the ice cream for free to the kids as it was melting. Nowadays, I wonder if they'd just throw it out rather than risk it. Also remember my mom cooking clam chowder in the fireplace so the milk and fresh clams we had would not be wasted. I can't eat clam chowder to this day without remembering the taste of ashes.

    1980 Mt. St. Helens eruption. Lived in Yakima at the time. That morning, the ash was raining down so heavily we couldn't see our neighbors' lights on. The pets and animals were covered in it, and it seeped into cracks and was tracked in the house. The city used their snowplows to scrape it from the streets as it clogged up the air systems in cars. Travel to some areas in the state was hindered by mudslides; I-5 was closed for some time. My mom was in a conference in Seattle and had to take a way roundabout detour to get home, probably adding 2-3 hr. to what should have been a 4-hr drive down I-5. I worked in a bank, and the emergency broadcast system interrupted our workdays for quite a while after that with aftershocks and subsequent eruption notices. But other than that, I don't recall it impacting us too much. Just everything felt gritty and your car and yard were pretty filthy.
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    A famous poem learnt by all Australian schoolkids describes Australia as a land of 'droughts and flooding rains'. In the 1980s, we bought a beautiful property in the middle of nowhere in the middle of a very long drought and the deciding factor was that the creek was still running. Roll forward a couple of years and we had a terrible 'flooding rains' time. For 6 weeks, the only way to leave our property was by a two hour walk through the dripping, slippery bush up and over hill after hill. Then a wait by the side of an infrequently used road to hope for a passer by for a 40 minute trip to town. Then reverse it all carrying a few groceries!

    What did I learn? First, move your car to the right side of the creek when the heavy rains come! But also, when choosing the right farm to live on, reliable, permanent water is still number one issue, but access and if possible more than one way of access is also important.

    I'm just glad that we never had a bushfire while I lived on that farm, it just would not have been escapable or survivable. But thankfully most of us do survive being young and silly!

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