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Just watching the news for the first time in a couple of weeks and the first thing on was about the capture of a Calif Fire Chief wanted for murdering his younger GF. Apparently they had been looking for him awhile. They flash on the picture - just some older old guy I didn't recognize - then they flash on his very unique name and it's my former high school BF. Dated a couple of years, talked about getting married when we were older, until I ran off to join the coast guard that is. Continued to see each other even while I was in the CG and home on leave until we were around 22 - 23. Anyways, pretty shocking. Super sweet, fun and funny, nice guy and very good looking as a young man. The funny thing is that he was a real outdoors man and we spent most summers doing long backpacking trips in the Sierras and Coast mountains ranges. So I understand why they had a hard time tracking him while he was on the lam. He taught me a lot of my outdoor skills.
iris lilies
5-16-14, 9:19pm
Jesus god, that is huge. So sorry Spartana!
One of my exes was questioned in this famous Springfield MO case, now 22 years cold:
http://www.ozarksfirst.com/story/d/story/decades-old-evidence-may-be-future-of-missing-wome/15611/DY5o4WVX0UuQuOuiq6gIIA
From back in the day of reading serial killer books, I know that in the cold cases they almost always pick up and question the real killer but don't have evidence to go further.
Oh geeze - formerly dating a serial killer now Iris Lilly :-)! At least Moe's situation seemed like a domestic violence thing as they lived together for 2 years (she was a Sheriff). Curious to see where they found him and what he was doing those 2 weeks he was evading LE. They said they'll have a news conference at 6:30 so will know more then. Will have to find our old photos.
No News conference yet but it sounds like this could end up being one of those 48 Hour kind of shows in the making. This from a Sacramento Bee article: "That scenario (what happened before he allegedly killed her ), described in documents filed in Sacramento Superior Court, is the opening scene of a drama that captivated the region in the past week and evolved into allegations involving murder, prostitutes, sex tapes and rogue firefighters."
OK no stories about hiding in the wilderness ala Grizzly Adams style, just a couple of weeks hiding in bushes near his town. Sounds like a horrific murder so glad they found him.
Very impressive, you two! One day one of my co-workers showed up at my desk, threw a newspaper down and asked "This your ex?" It turns out a guy whom I had inexplicably dated for far too long had committed arson and insurance fraud and was cooling his heels in the slammer. But it was small time stuff next to murder!
ETA: Iris Lily, I'm pretty sure I've seen that case covered on TV a few times. Now I'll have to wrack my brain to remember the chief suspect. Scary.
Wow, how shocking, Spartana!
Spartana, that story has everything--except you, thank God! I've noticed what seems to be an uptick in suicides and murder-suicides and general flameouts lately. There's something to be said for a quiet life...
iris lilies
5-16-14, 11:29pm
ETA: Iris Lily, I'm pretty sure I've seen that case covered on TV a few times. Now I'll have to wrack my brain to remember the chief suspect. Scary.
I'm sure my ex was just one of hundreds questioned. I did not know about it here in my own state until he brought it to my attention. hmmm.
Spartana, that story has everything--except you, thank God! I've noticed what seems to be an uptick in suicides and murder-suicides and general flameouts lately. There's something to be said for a quiet life...Maybe I'll have to visit him in the Slammer - reignite the old romance - NOT! And why did he get so old and not me - I mean we are the same age more or less? :0!:devil::laff:>8) Ever hear that joke about the two former high school students who run into each other years later? They each have trouble remembering who the other is because they think the other is so old that they must have been one of their former teachers rather than a fellow student :-)!
ToomuchStuff
5-17-14, 12:28am
I would be shocked if one was all you knew. The world is WAY too small.
I would be shocked if one was all you knew. The world is WAY too small.Well hopefully I don't know too many - at least not at that long term intimate level from when we were younger. That would be scary. But it's all so tragic to see a person you once knew so well, and who was a genuinely nice guy and who had appeared to do so well for himself and his family (wife and kids) for many years, and seemed to have a bright future, fall from Grace in such drastic and dramatic fashion. Very sad for all. I knew his parents well and hope they are doing OK if they are still around - must be at least mid-70s or older by now. If I remember right, he was their only child.
Interesting.
People do change due to circumstances.
I have an old boyfriend that we got engaged he went to the Army, met a girl who looked like me, married her, then told me. Later I heard that things kind of went south for them, she complained that he didn't make enough money, he got fed up and walked up the street to the bank with a gun. Served time, almost died, got saved in jail, and now runs a jail/recovery ministry in a state far to the north and just got remarried for the 3rd time. We reconnected on FB and he told me his whole story. Amazing what a different path a life can take based on one decision.
ToomuchStuff
5-17-14, 9:49am
Tragic yes, but I am not so sure how well we ever really know people, or do we truely understand everything that goes on in their lives and brains that trigger behaviors. My presense was requested at an auction a year or so ago. A friend I worked with, was in a large part raised by my bosses (consider him my work brother). His dad (also a friend) was a drinker and something in him snapped and he tried to murder his son and "then" wife, and then called us at work, wanting bail, to get out and kill his kid. The auction was his estranged dad's estate, and we were trying to make sure it raised enough money to reimburse his funeral expenses his son was stuck with.
There was a gal that was a customer I had a thing for. I couldn't get her to notice me it seemed and then she started dating another customer, who was on trial for duct taping and leading that family into their grave in that barn in Iowa.
When I was a kid, my parents loved going to a local flea market. There was a decent (but expensive) restaurant, and only one booth that I could stand going into. They stopped going when the guy whose booth it was, was arrested for serial killing. (one of our local serial killers) Didn't set foot in any thrift stores for years, and this person and family got merged in my head (and still is somewhat), due to the violence that that family member is capable and some convictions of. (doesn't help that a deathbed call, compared me with them, from a relative I don't think I even knew when I was still a kid)
That doesn't even get into the child molestors, bad preachers, etc. or the victim friends, like the one who was on Oprah, after the murderer's preacher got the killer to confess. The murder destroyed his family and a lot of friendships and the decades later confession, did it all over again (he wished the guy never confessed).
There was a game when I was a kid, called six degrees of separation, or the Kevin Bacon game. I didn't realize it was meant to show how small the world was, until I round I could be in the middle of 5 degree's between him and the unibomber.
The only ones we can know, are ourselves, and with our lack of enough knowledge on biology, I worry that not enough is known there.
Seems like there are a lot of middle-aged men who just snap - either gradually or all at once. I wonder why...
... Ever hear that joke about the two former high school students who run into each other years later? They each have trouble remembering who the other is because they think the other is so old that they must have been one of their former teachers rather than a fellow student :-)!
When I saw a picture of one of my old BFs somewhere, I noticed that he looked a lot like Mr. Magoo--and I'm not doing much better!
Float on and Too Much Stuff you guys are probably right about never really knowing someone - or how they can change over the years. Now that more info is coming out, it appears that he was a good, upstanding guy for many years and then a couple of years ago had a mid-life crisis ALA Mel Gibson style. Started going to a website that hooked people up with "escorts", met one 30 years younger, left his wife of many years to move in with her, filed for divorce in Oct from his wife, and planned to marry the new GF. However things between them went south, the new GF was stalking the estranged wife and her kids trying to extort money from her (maybe have her give up on getting her share of his assets in the divorce), the estranged wife had to get a restraining order on the new GF (but not Moe), lots of drama, supposed sex tapes with the GF and other firefighters, huge fights over money, etc.... Then a few weeks ago - up until the murder - Moe started texting his estranged wife begging her to take him back. He was sorry. He made a mistake, messed up everything. Etc... She said no but he kept asking. Then the night of the murder Moe & new GF had a fight, she was stabbed (up to 20 times) and strangled with a sheet, and Moe left a final text for his estranged wife after the murder just before he fled saying she should have taken him back or come get him - something like that. Then he hid in some weeds for 16 days while a massive man-hunt ensued until someone saw him and he was arrested. Apparently he confessed and so that's that. That was all on Fox news this morning. Sounds like he was still a good guy who made a bad mistake (leaving his family for what seemed like a sordid life with a prostitute) and when things went bad between them he snapped. Crime of passion.
When I saw a picture of one of my old BFs somewhere, I noticed that he looked a lot like Mr. Magoo--and I'm not doing much better!Ha me too! Although I do think women generally age better then men (sorry guys!). Maybe it's make-up and hair color and styling and clothes - those things probably make women look younger then men of the same age. Or maybe cosmetic surgery. It makes women look younger but men sometimes look too much like Wayne Newton or Bruce Jenner - i.e. feminized. Or maybe it's just because of the thinning hair thing. But then men can just shave it all off and look "cool" and rock their inner Bad-Boy :-)! Of course in Moe's case it might be a couple of weeks hiding in bushes while on the lam in 100 plus degree temps - kind of ruins your looks for the all-important mug shot :-)! That and living a tawdry life for a couple of years before hand. But some of the photos they show of him in his fire gear makes him look like the person I remember. Doubt if he's recognize me either even though I kind of look the same (Who needs a mirror when you have delusions HA!)
Damn.
Though now that the subject has come up, I remember that my middle school 'boyfriend' later went to prison for receiving stolen goods.
Gardenarian
5-17-14, 3:43pm
Wow, that must have been a shock!
I kind of wonder if drugs were involved. Certain drugs (meth, for example) can cause dramatic personality changes and lapses in judgment. Really sad, whatever the situation was.
I kind of wonder if drugs were involved. Certain drugs (meth, for example) can cause dramatic personality changes and lapses in judgment. Really sad, whatever the situation was.I don't know - kind of hard to imagine as he was the squeaky clean rugged outdoorsman type. Very sweet, clean living guy. But then that was a million years ago and people do change. I think the last time I saw him I was probably 22 or so and home on leave from the CG for awhile(we continued to have a long distance relationship after I went in for a bit) - that was long time ago! Haven't heard anything new. Some friends who also knew him when we dating called and were very shocked also.
Wow, Spartana. That's got to be freaky esp since it was such a big news story too.
As far as I know, no ex's were criminals but it probably doesn't take too much to trace for anyone to trace a connection to mass or serial killers. I definitely know someone who knew the Aurora shooter, for example.
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