View Full Version : Snowden interview on Dateline tonight (5-28-2014)
Thanks for the heads up. I just bought Glenn Greenwald's new book, "No Place to Hide - Edward Snowden, the NSA, and the U.S. Surveillance State."
Anyone who claims to be fearful for our constitutional liberties should be reading and watching all of this closely.
Thanks for the heads up. I just bought Glenn Greenwald's new book, "No Place to Hide - Edward Snowden, the NSA, and the U.S. Surveillance State."
Anyone who claims to be fearful for our constitutional liberties should be reading and watching all of this closely.
I'll watch your summary, how's about that? It's a nasty business, that's for sure.
Anyone who claims to be fearful for our constitutional liberties should be reading and watching all of this closely.
That's true. Of course, anyone who believes our liberties are provided by our government through the constitution (they're not, the constitution was designed to limit governmental influence on liberty) and concurrently believe in big government (in hope of more liberty) shouldn't be surprised when the bureaucratic state violates our natural sovereignty.
Yossarian
5-29-14, 12:57pm
I don't see the value in hearing him tell what is sure to be less than the true story.
See http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304831304579542402390653932
rodeosweetheart
5-29-14, 1:13pm
I watched it, and it was extremely interesting, up there with the Watergate hearings, and flashed on John Dean for some reason.
ApatheticNoMore
5-29-14, 2:07pm
I don't see the value in hearing him tell what is sure to be less than the true story.
I'm sure it is, but the masses never get the full story until decades later (if then I guess - but yea sometimes we find out decades later). So maybe Snowden was really working for the CIA in some inter-intelligence rivalry (he was of course actually on their payroll at one point). Maybe the Snowden leeks are psych-ops on the American people to get them to be afraid, very afraid (limited hangout and so on) - on panopticon theory - only they do seem to have implications for the rest of the world beyond that.
I'm not sure anyone can claim to know WHAT snowden took for sure (beyond Greenwald and Potrius and a few media orgs that have seen the docs), because hasn't the government itself been on record of claiming not to know exactly what he took? So is that true or not? Or has it changed? (for instance if initially they had no clue but further spying has revealed it). From a technical perspective it wouldn't have been that difficult to know what he took from the get go, if they were monitoring intelligence employees - but they have been claiming incompetence. They can't even get their story straight it seems to me. Meanwhile as far as I know Snowden has never claimed to be discriminating in what he took, didn't he claim to use a bot? (web crawler software) He does claim to be discriminating in what is released to the media which is indeed the case, almost nothing is released.
The problem is that while many theories might very well be true, they lack a little something called evidence (but I guess all well hidden conspiracies would). So a few government officials go on record as saying Snowden was a Russian or Chinese spy. But noone takes what U.S. government officials say at face value at this point. They are the laughingstock of the whole planet. Even when they lie under oath (llike Clapper) they aren't prosecuted, so why would anyone assume they are telling the truth? So it's "he said", "she said". Maybe if we're lucky we'll know the truth in several decades.
gimmethesimplelife
5-29-14, 10:14pm
I just watched this interview via youtube.com and my take? Snowden to me comes across as articulate and intelligent and obviously believes in his actions and that he did the right thing. I'm glad to see that he is obviously in good shape and seems well fed and well rested.....my question now is that his asylum in Russia was good for a period of one year if I remember correctly? His one year is coming up on being over - I wonder what is next for Snowden? Or will Russia simply renew, which may be likely due to the tensions with the US over the Ukraine. Rob
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/30/daniel-ellsberg-snowden-fair-trial-kerry-espionage-act
Even Daniel Ellsberg doesn't think Snowden would be able to get a fair trial with the opportunity to explain why he did what he did.
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