For Jane 2.0

[The Storyteller]

Jane,
Here is a doc extolling the virtues of fat, free to view through 7/4

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/06/28/cereal-killers-movie.aspx?e_cid=20140628Z1_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20140628Z1&et_cid=DM51229&et_rid=568842291

I'm watching it now and it made me think of you. Not my cup of tea, but you might enjoy it. :)

[catherine]

Yeah, recently there was a whole cover article in Time Magazine called "We Were Wrong About Saturated Fats" and I thought of Jane also.

http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/time-magazine-we-were-wrong-about-saturated-fats/

[JaneV2.0]

I watched that the other night. At last this "alternate" view is seeping out from behind the wall of conventional thought. In the tradition of Tom Naughton in Fat Head, Sam Feltham of Smash the Fat, and others, Donal O'Neill proves that--for some people at least--a high fat diet can reverse markers for heart disease and vastly improve health. Every day, studies emerge showing the efficacy of this approach--and are generally ignored by those who hold the power to act on such knowledge--like the ADA, the AHA, and most doctors, who are still--unconscionably--pushing dangerous statin drugs on unwitting patients.

Thanks, Storyteller, for giving me an excuse to drag my soapbox up to the microphone. :)

[The Storyteller]

:)

[awakenedsoul]

It's interesting to see how people eat around the world. I always preferred the European breakfast of ham and cheese sandwiches on fresh bread to the typical American breakfast. The eskimos eat a lot of blubber.

Many people assume I don't eat any fat, because my body fat is very low. I've always eaten butter, meats, cheese, etc. in moderation. I think that whole low fat phase was big business for people. I never joined it.

I had a ballet teacher from England who taught us, "If you would just eat sensibly..." So true. She had a beautiful body and never dieted. Many Americans are desperate to lose weight. I think the emotions are also very connected to the physical state of the body.

[Jilly]

I watched Hungry For Change on Monday, and this is the icing on that wheat and sugar-free cake for me.

[The Storyteller]

I found it unconvincing, to say the least. Surprise surprise. :D

The guy who wrote that running book and talked through his teeth was annoying. I saw one point where he didn't close his mouth for two full sentences. Drove me nuts.

But it was the substance that I found unconvincing, not the annoying guy. :)

[JaneV2.0]

You thought his doctors were lying about the improvement in his health? At the very least it suggests there are variations in what constitutes a "healthy diet."

At any rate, I'm glad this work is getting out there. I've always said adults can eat as they choose.

Like the Libertarians, I don't want the government or anyone else (doctors, insurance companies, vegans...) dictating my diet to me.

[Suzanne]

Lex Rooker eats only raw fat and raw meat, has been doing it for several years, and has experienced enormous improvements in his health: http://www.rawpaleodiet.com/lex-rooker-usa/. His diet is about 60% raw fat. He posts his lab test results on line. His journal is fascinating! http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/journals/lex's-journal/

[The Storyteller]

You thought his doctors were lying about the improvement in his health?

Too many variables to consider besides his fat intake. He admits he upped his exercise routine. The weight loss and improved muscle tone could very well have come from that. Had he controlled for that it may have been more convincing. He also increased his green vegetable intake.

I'm also not convinced of the "good LDL cholesterol" assumption. The large particles might not be as bad as the small particle, but calling them "good" is a bit of a stretch.

But in the end, it's just a movie about one guy's experience. Even if it were all lawlessly done and showed remarkable progress, it is hardly a decent scientific sample. It doesn't really prove anything.

[JaneV2.0]

That's true--there are lots of discrete variables (though maybe fewer than in Dean Ornish's interventions). Gary Taubes and Peter Attia's NuSi is doing a rigorously controlled study: http://blog.tedmed.com/?p=3539 --Results pending.

Another example of one guy's experience is Sam Feltham, whose n=1 experiments on a variety of diets was eye-opening. His weight and health markers all improved most on LCHF, out of the four diets undertaken.

[Jilly]

My endocrinologist has been leading me in this direction for some time. The problem is that if I want to keep my Internet so that I can continue to partially work from home, that extra money has to come out of some other place in my budget. The past several months I have not been doing well and Friday was the last of the samosas from the freezer and last night was the last Chinese take-out that includes noodles or rice. It seems that being vegan is just not working out for my body. At this point I am pretty much willing to try anything that does not include more medication.

After class this afternoon I went shopping for lots more greens than I usually eat, melons and flesh...meat. I am giving this two months of not eating any refined carbohydrates, as well as a few of the more carby vegetables.

This may not be for everyone, heck, it may not even be the best for me, but it is totally worth experimenting with it for a bit.

[JaneV2.0]

I'm back to reading The Wahl's Protocol: How I Beat Progressive MS Using Paleo Principles and Functional Medicine and I can see where the shopping list would be daunting. It's a very involved plan (a three-year study is underway), calling for 6-9 cups of greens and multi-colored vegetables, organ meat, muscle meat, fish, fermented foods (make mine brandy :)...), seaweed, natural fats, and no grains, legumes, dairy, or sugar. I'm sure I left a lot out. It would be hard for me to eliminate dairy foods, which is a pretty good indication that I should. She explains the pitfalls of veganism about halfway through.

[Jilly]

Jane, that is interesting, and I will reserve that at our library.

I already eat twice that amount of greens and other vegetables. I had forgotten about organ meat, as I love all kinds of offal already, just not muscle meat. I also eat seaweed nearly every day, and the leave-out foods are what I am leaving out.

My first day of no refined carbs and I am really hungry. I am hauling myself off to bed before I run out to the convenience store in the next block for chips or something.

[JaneV2.0]

You shouldn't be hungry. Are you eating enough? Have a nice piece of fatty meat. :~) Don't think about Cheetos....

[Jilly]

Great. Now I am thinking about Cheetos!

I still have not eaten any of the meat. I take it out of the refrigerator, look at it for a while and put it back. I am going to just bite the bull and eat some for lunch, with salad.