Two more officers shot in NYC.....

[gimmethesimplelife]

As much as I have posted anti-cop sentiments on this board, that does not mean I support in any way, shape, or form shooting police officers. I am against the shooting of police officers as much as I am against the recent police shootings and the chokehold death of Eric Garner. It seems to me very clear that this issue - police brutality/ open season on shooting police officers as a result thereof is not going to politely fade away. I'm guessing (?) that those on this board who don't agree with me might agree that this issue is not going to just fade away.

My question is this - is this a new normal we all just have to adapt to? I can't see much working at this point, especially since now it seems like open season has been declared on the police. Funny thing is as much as I fear and completely distrust the police, I do feel sorry for them in a way. It must be horrible for them now that there is awareness of some of their behavior and now that their lives seem to be more in danger as a result thereof. I sure would not want their job - even with the pension attached. Better to flee to somewhere cheaper than to be a cop for the pension is how I see it.

So what is the answer? Things are now so dicey that I am actually seeing this a little from the cop's side - something I did not think I was capable of. I know my neighbors are saying that they made their bed, let them sleep in it and I can completely understand this and see where they are coming from - but we are still talking about human life here and I can't agree with that sentiment. Suing them and the municipality they represent I'm 100% down with but I don't condone shooting them. Things are just getting too out of hand with this. Anyone have any input?

[iris lilies]

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My question is this - is this a new normal we all just have to adapt to? I can't see much working at this point, especially since now it seems like open season has been declared on the police. Funny thing is as much as I fear and completely distrust the police, I do feel sorry for them in a way. It must be horrible for them now that there is awareness of some of their behavior and now that their lives seem to be more in danger as a result thereof. I sure would not want their job - even with the pension attached. Better to flee to somewhere cheaper than to be a cop for the pension is how I see it. ..

Here's how it will come down in my part of the woods:

Places that support police officers, active support such as first-name relationships and citizen patrols and tightly organized crime watch efforts with organized, measureable police appreciation efforts, will continue to get good police coverage. That would be my neighborhood.

Places that diss the cops, do not cooperate, see them as The Enemy and etc will experience less and less service from police. Those would be places like your neighborhood.

It is already kinda/sorta like that since it is political pressure that points police resources in specific places. Our neighborhood, being strong on anti-crime and very vocal at City Hall and to the police organization has decent police coverage. We will just see more, you will see less. Hope that works for you.

Now, I have enough imagination to see that carried to an extreme, society separates into "haves and have-nots" with there being lotsa police coverage in the neighborhoods of the power structure who will be perceived to be living in fortresses guarded by cops. But we are a long way from that.

[Tradd]

There was an article out (NYC today?) on a sharp decrease in tickets issues and such by the NYPD since the two officers were killed before Christmas. There is some discussion out there about a move to "fire fighting style" policing - aka sit in the station until a call comes in, no patrols.

[bae]

We will just see more, you will see less. Hope that works for you.


Rob should also expect to see less in the way of fire and emergency medical response to his caring community.

[Packy]

There are plenty of DIY's(except in NooYawk)that will just carry a gun, to defend themselves, if the Po-Lice are just going to pull back, eat pizza n' donuts, and only respond to deeds done after the fact. Ammo sales will be going way up. Even more unarmed black males will be getting shot. But, the scenario you kids are describing may be just temporary. Hope that helps you some.

[flowerseverywhere]

Rob should also expect to see less in the way of fire and emergency medical response to his caring community.
Unfortunately the people who are law abiding citizens who work hard to make a living and raise a family in these poor neighborhoods will be the ones to suffer as their neighborhood becomes less safe. Then there will be an outcry that they are being discriminated against. A no win situation.

[Lainey]

Rob should also expect to see less in the way of fire and emergency medical response to his caring community.

So using this same logic, everyone on this forum and anywhere else who has ever expressed an anti-government rant is directly responsible for Eric Frein's killing of that officer because they "incited" Eric to do that.

Right? or can we stop this silliness now.

Every police officer is not perfect and daring to complain about the ones who abuse their authority does NOT equal inciting mentally ill people to kill them.

[Alan]

Every police officer is not perfect and daring to complain about the ones who abuse their authority does NOT equal inciting mentally ill people to kill them.That's true, but creating false narratives in high profile cases creates an environment ripe for exploitation by the mentally ill and their ideologue handlers. The media and many of our politicians are complicit in creating that environment.

Bae is right in that emergency services personnel will, and should, be wary of going into environments where the residents have been given permission to do them harm in the name of social justice.

[bae]

So using this same logic, ...


I was simply stating a fact. I see it already in action every day, there are places first responders will not go swiftly anymore, because of concern over ambush. There are several regions in my district where we won't go until we gather sufficient force of law enforcement to accompany fire/medical into the scene. Which takes quite a bit of time. And it's far worse in other areas.

As to your specific words, I'm not sure whose post you are really responding, for it surely isn't mine.

[Lainey]

That's true, but creating false narratives in high profile cases creates an environment ripe for exploitation by the mentally ill and their ideologue handlers. The media and many of our politicians are complicit in creating that environment.


So when Ann Coulter said "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is that he did not go to the New York Times building" where was the conservative outrage then? Or when Sen. Jesse Helms said that if President Clinton visited North Carolina he'd "better watch out, he'd better bring a bodyguard." Where was the conservative outrage then?

The only time the word "incite" is used is if it's not a conservative who said it.

[Alan]

So when Ann Coulter said "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is that he did not go to the New York Times building" where was the conservative outrage then? Or when Sen. Jesse Helms said that if President Clinton visited North Carolina he'd "better watch out, he'd better bring a bodyguard." Where was the conservative outrage then?

The only time the word "incite" is used is if it's not a conservative who said it.
Well, if you want to play that game, where was the liberal outrage when virtually the entire Fourth Estate, as well as many long time members of this forum, tried to blame Sarah Palin for Jared Loughner's shooting of Gabby Giffords?

I'm sure we could try to one up each other forever but that really doesn't accomplish anything.

[iris lilies]

So when Ann Coulter said "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is that he did not go to the New York Times building" where was the conservative outrage then?... .

:0! I didn't know Coulter said that. That's pretty funny.

[iris lilies]

Well, if you want to play that game, where was the liberal outrage when virtually the entire Fourth Estate, as well as many long time members of this forum, tried to blame Sarah Palin for Jared Loughner's shooting of Gabby Giffords?

I'm sure we could try to one up each other forever but that really doesn't accomplish anything.

And speaking of one upmanship, I was disappointed in the behavior of NYC cops who turned their backs on the NYC mayor while he was speaking at the funeral of their colleague. It was petty.

I much preferred the response of our own city police force when they wrote a letter to the St. Louis Rams, addressing the few Rams players who had bounded out on the field with their hands up in a show of solidarity with Michal Brown/Ferguson MO protestors. The letter said ( I am paraphrasing here) "we will continue to protect the Rams facility where you play, to keep the fans who support you safe, and to protect the city that welcomes you. That's our job..." and it went on to express their disappointment about Rams players' action which they considered anti-police.

I thought that this was so classy while the action of the no-class Rams players was an eye-roller.

Glad the idiots are off to La-La land. I doubt that the L.A. cops would be so accepting of Rams' stupidity.

[Packy]

Rams goin' back to El Lay? Oh, good! One down, one to go. Maybe the KC Chieves will float across on the Zurra River, down the Missssisssippissi, and up the Ohiowadaho to some place like Cincinnnatttee! Just hoping. 80,000 seat Stadiums are such a waste of space, sports fanatics, players, coaches, & owners are um--too fanatical, and they contribute to traffic congestion, pollution, crime, and everything else. Sad but true. Thankk Mee.

[Packy]

:0! I didn't know Coulter said that. That's pretty funny. I think almost everything is funny. But not what Timmy "Boom-Boom" McVeigh did! I only wish he were still sitting in his cell in a Supermax for the next 30-40 years, regretting his actions. Coulter is very strange--if I went on TV and said the things she/he/it does, the first time would probably be the last. Hope that helps you some. Thankk Mee.

[Lainey]

Wouldn't it have been hilarious if a liberal said, "My only regret is that Timothy McVeigh didn't go to the NRA headquarters?" ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

So the rule is it's okay to incite violence as long as it's not directed towards someone/something you approve of. Let's all remember that.

[creaker]

I was surprised I didn't hear more about this - "Bomb explodes outside NAACP office in Colorado"

http://nypost.com/2015/01/07/bomb-explodes-outside-naacp-office-in-colorado/

[pinkytoe]

I wonder why civility seems to be fading from our culture. I used to find it everywhere in my daily life but in the past few years it seems like people just aren't as friendly or pleasant anymore. Violence and aggression seems to have exploded. Just the other day, I was reading about Thomas Jefferson's Canons of Conduct and liked the thought behind two of his "rules":
Take things always by their smooth handle. (It is supposed this meant that in disagreements, at the least, be respectful towards the other.)
Think as you please, and so let others, and you will have no disputes.

[LDAHL]

Violence and aggression seems to have exploded.

And yet the case can be made that the world in general and the U.S. in particular are less violent now than they have ever been. We just seem to be easier to shock than we used to be.

[jp1]

Here's how it will come down in my part of the woods:

Places that support police officers, active support such as first-name relationships and citizen patrols and tightly organized crime watch efforts with organized, measureable police appreciation efforts, will continue to get good police coverage. That would be my neighborhood.
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Which came first? People dissing cops or the decision by the police department, during the Guiliani administration, to switch from a community policing style to 'stop and frisk' where everyone's presumed to be a criminal. If one lives in a stop and frisk neighborhood it probably seems like a better plan to just avoid the cops rather than try and engage with them and give them a chance to find some stupid thing that they can ticket/arrest you for.