Mexico is angry with Arizona's new law!

[frugal-one]

Old news .... checked snopes and it was a while ago..... but still interesting!

Mexico angry with Arizon's new law.

Wow! And make certain you read, at the bottom of this page, the part that says it will take 30 more seconds to read! Please forward to all you know and ask them to forward to all they know.

The shoe is on the other foot and the Mexicans from the State of Sonora, Mexico does not like it. Can you believe the nerve of these people? It's almost funny. The State of Sonora is angry at the influx of Mexicans into Mexico!!

The state legislators from the Mexican State of Sonora traveled to Tucson to complain about Arizona's new employer crackdown on illegals from Mexico. It seems that many Mexican illegals are returning to their hometowns and the officials in the Sonora state government are ticked off. A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora was in Tucson on Tuesday to state that Arizona's new 'Employer Sanctions Law' will have a devastating effect on the Mexican state. At a news conference, the legislators said that Sonora, - Arizona's southern neighbor - made up of mostly small towns - cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools that it will face as Mexican workers return to their home towns from the USA without jobs or money.

The Arizona law, which took effect Jan. 1, punishes Arizona employers who knowingly hire individuals without valid legal documents to work in the United States. Penalties include suspension of, or loss of, their business license. The Mexican legislators are angry because their own citizens are returning to their hometowns, placing a burden on THEIR state government instead of ours.

'How can Arizona pass a law like this?' asked Mexican Rep Leticia Amparano-Gamez, who represents Nogales. 'There is not one person living in Sonora who does not have a friend or relative working in Arizona,' she said, speaking in Spanish. 'Mexico is not prepared for this, for the tremendous problems it will face as more and more Mexicans working in Arizona and who were sending money to their families return to their home towns in Sonora without jobs,' she said 'We are one family, socially and economically,' she said of the people of Sonora and Arizona .

Wrong! The United States is a sovereign nation, not a subsidiary of Mexico, and its taxpayers are not responsible for the welfare of Mexico's citizens. It's time for the Mexican government, and its citizens, to stop feeding parasitically off the United States and to start taking care of its/their own needs.

Too bad that other states within the USA don't pass a law just like that passed by Arizona. Maybe that's the answer, since our own Congress will do nothing!

*New Immigration Laws*

Be sure to read to the bottom or you will miss the message...

1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.

2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.

3. All government business will be conducted in our language.

4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.

5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office.

6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or any other government assistance programs. Any who are a burden will be deported.

7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

8. If foreigners come here and buy land, their options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

9. Foreigners may have NO protests; NO demonstrations, NO waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, NO bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.

10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted and, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.

Too strict? The above laws are the current immigration laws of MEXICO! If it's good for American's to obey Mexican laws, then it's good vice versa

[bae]

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[gimmethesimplelife]

I have some major issues with this story. Although the story I believe is factually and legally correct.....the story does not mention that Mexico for a great many years has served as an escape valve and source of hope for Americans completely fried by capitalism, Americans who were uninsured and had no choice but to flee America to address health care issues affordably, Americans who could not afford dental care in the United States and had no choice but to do without or to flee to Mexico to address dental issues.....I read somewhere that at any given time there are one million American citizens living and or working in Mexico. It is all well and fine to speak of the issues of illegal immigration and I agree that there are issues with Mexican nationals and illegal immigration. My point is that this is a two way street and thank goodness Mexico exists as a place with lower costs of living for those needing to recharge, those needing affordable health and dental - also add hearing aids and optical to this.....There is much that Americans with common sense can gain by crossing the border and taking advantage of the large price differentials.

I personally get upset when people one-sidededly slam Mexico as every morning when I brush my teeth I smile in the mirror - my wonderfully middle class looking teeth were all made possible by the existence of Mexico and my common sense to cross the border and pay much less. Instead of only complaining about Mexico - and there are Mexico related problems in the US, I get that - why don't we focus a little bit on what Mexico offers us as Americans? Such as the dignity provided by much more affordable heath and dental care? I find myself embarrassed by the way most Americans view Mexico as this view seems to lack the common sense of the survival based good that is available in Mexico that so many Americans have been priced out of having access to. Not giving Mexico a token display of respect for it's role as a safety valve for Americans in various ways is very disrespectful in my book - so many of us in border states have decent teeth and long term patient/doctor relationships and nice eyeglasses all courtesy of price differentials in el otro lado. I'd very much like more news coverage surrounding this and some shame felt by the masses for that fact that so many can't afford medical/dental accesss on this side of the border.

I would agree that Mexico needs to get it's act together in certain ways and that Mexico is indeed no angel. OTOH, neither is the US and we need to get our act together in certain ways, too. I will close with this fact - corrupt as Mexico is (and it is corrupt, I never denied that, also knowing that the US is hardly free of corruption, either) the Mexican government ACTUALLY SETS PRICE LIMITS ON WHAT MEDICATIONS CAN COST!!!!! I'd love to see human life worth this in the United States but I'm not holding my breath.....Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

Old news .... checked snopes and it was a while ago..... but still interesting!

Mexico angry with Arizon's new law.

Wow! And make certain you read, at the bottom of this page, the part that says it will take 30 more seconds to read! Please forward to all you know and ask them to forward to all they know.

The shoe is on the other foot and the Mexicans from the State of Sonora, Mexico does not like it. Can you believe the nerve of these people? It's almost funny. The State of Sonora is angry at the influx of Mexicans into Mexico!!

The state legislators from the Mexican State of Sonora traveled to Tucson to complain about Arizona's new employer crackdown on illegals from Mexico. It seems that many Mexican illegals are returning to their hometowns and the officials in the Sonora state government are ticked off. A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora was in Tucson on Tuesday to state that Arizona's new 'Employer Sanctions Law' will have a devastating effect on the Mexican state. At a news conference, the legislators said that Sonora, - Arizona's southern neighbor - made up of mostly small towns - cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools that it will face as Mexican workers return to their home towns from the USA without jobs or money.

The Arizona law, which took effect Jan. 1, punishes Arizona employers who knowingly hire individuals without valid legal documents to work in the United States. Penalties include suspension of, or loss of, their business license. The Mexican legislators are angry because their own citizens are returning to their hometowns, placing a burden on THEIR state government instead of ours.

'How can Arizona pass a law like this?' asked Mexican Rep Leticia Amparano-Gamez, who represents Nogales. 'There is not one person living in Sonora who does not have a friend or relative working in Arizona,' she said, speaking in Spanish. 'Mexico is not prepared for this, for the tremendous problems it will face as more and more Mexicans working in Arizona and who were sending money to their families return to their home towns in Sonora without jobs,' she said 'We are one family, socially and economically,' she said of the people of Sonora and Arizona .

Wrong! The United States is a sovereign nation, not a subsidiary of Mexico, and its taxpayers are not responsible for the welfare of Mexico's citizens. It's time for the Mexican government, and its citizens, to stop feeding parasitically off the United States and to start taking care of its/their own needs.

Too bad that other states within the USA don't pass a law just like that passed by Arizona. Maybe that's the answer, since our own Congress will do nothing!

*New Immigration Laws*

Be sure to read to the bottom or you will miss the message...

1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.

2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.

3. All government business will be conducted in our language.

4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.

5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office.

6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or any other government assistance programs. Any who are a burden will be deported.

7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

8. If foreigners come here and buy land, their options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

9. Foreigners may have NO protests; NO demonstrations, NO waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, NO bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.

10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted and, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.

Too strict? The above laws are the current immigration laws of MEXICO! If it's good for American's to obey Mexican laws, then it's good vice versaAfter my post above, I will also state that these are the immigration laws of Mexico - Mexico does have some picky immigration laws, I won't deny that - and I can indeed see hypocrisy in these laws and what some Mexican nationals expect on this side of the border. There is a problem here and I won't disagree with or deny this. Rob

[jp1]

I can understand some of the items listed, especially from Mexico's perspective, considering that they are a very different country from us. But saying "they do it, so we should do it too" sounds like a cop out lazy answer. A better response would be to look at each thing individually and ask "why do they do it?" and "is this also a good idea for us?" For example, as a commercial insurance underwriter I have to, from time to time, consider offering excess limits on top of another carrier's insurance policy. When I do that I don't worry about what price or coverage limits the underlying insurance company has offered. Instead, I underwrite the applicant as if I would be providing the primary policy and then determine what terms I would be comfortable offering for an excess policy. The other carrier's terms have no bearing on what I decide to offer, unless I'm being asked to cover some particular exposure that I don't want to provide coverage for. The same thought process should probably be used when assessing the US's decision to accept or not accept immigrants from other countries.

Looking at the list above a number of things jump out. First of all, we don't have a national language. Perhaps if we need one we should ask the native americans what language that should be... Second, non-citizens should never hold office. The constitution is pretty clear about who can run for office on a national level. I'd be curious what non-citizen has held national office. (other than Obama, of course, since we all know that he's actually a Kenyan socialist Muslim...) No demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, etc. Do we really want to restrict the first amendment to people who were born here? Really? I'll stop here because hopefully people get my point. And if they don't there are any number of other countries that might be a better fit for them.

[LDAHL]

"Poor Mexico. So far from God, so close to the United States".

Although it is laying it on a bit thick for Mexico to be complaining about an influx of Mexicans.

[befree]

Must agree with frugal one. Although it is true that dental/medical care can often be bought by some U.S. citizens cheaper in Mexico than in the U.S., and that abolishment of our own civil liberties and freedoms isn't desirable (or even on the table for debate), these issues were not the point of the original post. Other countries are NOT the U.S.; their national agendas and cultures are not ours, and if enforcement of our national laws cut off a cushion that Sonora has come to depend on, then they are too dependant on outside help, much as we in the U.S. have been regarding Saudi Arabian oil. One country's government officially complaining that not only can it not take care of its own, but that another country has an obligation to house, clothe, feed, employ, provide medical care and education to the first country's citizens ....so they can send money home to support that country's ecomomy......just seems the height of foolishness and entitlement. Knowing my view will be considered politcally incorrect, I hit "post reply" anyway

[jp1]

I guess my opinion is that I really don't care what the Sonoran politicians are saying. Local US politicians often say equally obnoxious stuff in an effort to win votes, like how illegal farm workers from Mexico are taking jobs from Americans. Sure they are, if those jobs paid 3 times as much.

[gimmethesimplelife]

Must agree with frugal one. Although it is true that dental/medical care can often be bought by some U.S. citizens cheaper in Mexico than in the U.S., and that abolishment of our own civil liberties and freedoms isn't desirable (or even on the table for debate), these issues were not the point of the original post. Other countries are NOT the U.S.; their national agendas and cultures are not ours, and if enforcement of our national laws cut off a cushion that Sonora has come to depend on, then they are too dependant on outside help, much as we in the U.S. have been regarding Saudi Arabian oil. One country's government officially complaining that not only can it not take care of its own, but that another country has an obligation to house, clothe, feed, employ, provide medical care and education to the first country's citizens ....so they can send money home to support that country's ecomomy......just seems the height of foolishness and entitlement. Knowing my view will be considered politcally incorrect, I hit "post reply" anywayUmmm.....i don't totally disagree with you here. My point is that so many have been and in states without expanded Medicaid still are forced to flee to Mexico for health care or do without - and ditto for dental care and fleeing to Mexico for affordable dental care now reaches into what little is left of the American middle class. Maybe before we critisize Mexico we might be a tad less hypocritical and address the survival issues (at least for health care) that force Americans to cross the border into Mexico daily for the basic human dignity and the basic human rights afforded by affordable medical care.....I'm not the least bit afraid as an American to admit that the survival based border flow GOES BOTH WAYS NOW. And actually has for a good number of years.

Before we are critical of Mexico - maybe we might want to look at where we as a country fail and why some of our citizens are forced across the border by America and how profits mean more than people in America? Just sayin', as Americans, there is much to be critical of on this side of the border before we are critical of Mexico and it's citizens. I'd love to see a nationwide apology given by the US government to all Americans who have been forced for reasons of survival to flee across the border - then maybe we could focus a bit more on Mexico and it's issues a tad less hypocritically. Just my dirhams on the table. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

"Poor Mexico. So far from God, so close to the United States".

Although it is laying it on a bit thick for Mexico to be complaining about an influx of Mexicans.That quote is so true.....but what is remarkable to me about most Mexicans is how they labor on in the face of adversity regardless. I believe there is much to be learned in this, and I include myself in the population of persons who can learn from their example. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

I guess my opinion is that I really don't care what the Sonoran politicians are saying. Local US politicians often say equally obnoxious stuff in an effort to win votes, like how illegal farm workers from Mexico are taking jobs from Americans. Sure they are, if those jobs paid 3 times as much.+1 Rob

[bae]

That quote is so true.....but what is remarkable to me about most Mexicans is how they labor on in the face of adversity regardless. I believe there is much to be learned in this, and I include myself in the population of persons who can learn from their example. Rob

I'm curious, Rob. How much time have you spent living in Mexico, talking to Mexicans about their government, their politics, and their economy, in their native language? I've clocked up about 18 months over the years. My father-in-law about 3 decades.

[gimmethesimplelife]

I'm curious, Rob. How much time have you spent living in Mexico, talking to Mexicans about their government, their politics, and their economy, in their native language? I've clocked up about 18 months over the years. My father-in-law about 3 decades.Hmmmmm.....Given that I live in a neighborhood that is overwhelmingly Hispanic and given that I realized a long time ago that these folks were not an enemy and that perhaps I could learn something from them, I have made an effort to get to know as many of the neighbors as possible and have held long talks with many about Mexico - a subject I am able to keep up with quite easily by keeping up to date online and at the library. I have earned a lot of respect from my neighbors for taking the time to learn something about their home country - admittedly it was not entirely altruism that i did this - I also learned early on that Mexico is a safety valve for Americans and that yes indeed, I am from a social class for which this holds true.

Given all of the above, it was common sense to meet as many of the neighbors as I could and learn whatever I could about Mexico and the way they think in general. You ask in what language - that I will admit was in English - but I'm learning Spanish now at PC (Phoenix College, in the community college system here ) and I have so many opportunities to practice now and so many neighbors that respect me for taking classes in it.

I remember two years ago when I spent some time in Algodones - admittedly a border town and not the real Mexico further South - that my dentist and a pharmacy employee were stunned when I could intelligently discuss Mexican current events and knew who the President was and what his stated ambitions/real life policy flops and disasters were. I can probably speak more in depth about these issues concerning Mexico than I can for the United States - reason being I see the survival based good in Mexico and I see the safety valve it offers me as a US citizen. I've also been proud to offshore my medical and dental and optical and meds - until Medicaid was expanded in Arizona and I qualified. And given that the Medicaid Expansion in Arizona may be litigated out of existence by sometime this summer in Arizona due to pending litigation against it - I may very well be offshoring my health 100% once more - and with no problems whatsoever.

As to how long I have lived in Mexico - three months when I was six years old - long, long, long story there - and bits and pieces of time here and there. In 1996 I left the Pacific Northwest and spent three months in Guadalajara as I was completely frazzled and burnt out and Mexico offered me a cheap place to heal and I will always be grateful to Mexico for this.

I know there are many problems in Mexico, lots of corruption, some (but not all like the media would have you believe) areas of the country no longer under the rule of law, and I also know there are some in the younger generation that live the narco life and all that goes with it and often have a short lifespan due to this. I still stand by my above comment, however. My experience with Mexicans has been overall that they are some of the most decent and hard working people I have run across (with exceptions, I won't deny that) and that Americans have much to learn from them, especially with the middle class being shredded and overall living standards being in decline.

And of course I am engaged to marry a man originally from Mexico - a US citizen before we met - so of course I'm going to be even more predisposed to like the country. My overall take is that Mexico is no angel - but most Americans not real close to the border are clueless as to the safety valve Mexico offers - I'm grateful I learned of Mexico and what it has to offer at the age of 14. Mexico was how I was able to get ulcer medication to heal my ulcer - not only was it cheap to where I could actually afford it, but it was available over the counter with no doctor/middleman needed. Somehow the shacks on the hills of Nogales seemed less slummy and somehow I was able to overlook some of the dirt and grime - at least in Mexico I was worth the medication I so needed. Not so in America, even back in 1981 when this took place.

Now here's the kicker - I'm actually grateful, yes, very grateful, that my life in America was not worth access to these meds. Not only did I learn how little human life means in America (in this case due to lack of access to needed meds), I also learned what a relief it was and still is to border Mexico, and I also learned further to think outside of the box. I learned the common sense of offshoring medical, and later dental, before such became trendy and before such starting creeping up the US social ladder. I thank Mexico for this, too. Actually, I owe quite a bit to Mexico when I stop and think and add it all up over the years - no wonder why I rush to Mexico's defense. I'd be an ungrateful fool not to. Asi es la vida. Rob