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Tradd
5-13-15, 9:00pm
Given recent discussion about "inviting the man into your life" or not, I thought this was interesting as a real life example.

A woman was a victim of attempted rape on a Chicago L train. A guy gets on the car while she is being attacked, ignores her cries for help, and immediately gets off the car. He does not call police (CPD reported they have no record of a call about the incident). Fortunately, the woman kept fighting and her attacker got off at another stop. He was caught from surveillance video.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Prosecutors-CTA-Sex-Assault-Victims-Screams-Ignored-By-Other-Commuter-303506711.html#

Not sure if you can see the following article from the Tribune or not (it might be behind a paywall):

Woman attacked on CTA: 'If you see someone asking for help, don't go away' by John Kass
http://trib.in/1HeibH9

[b]The woman who fought off a would-be rapist in a CTA Red Line car has something to tell you about the Bad Samaritan.

That's the man who could have helped her, but instead just ran.

And today, in an interview with this column, she explains her side of it, the side of the victim, who was alone and fighting for her life.

The woman was pinned to the ground by her attacker, who straddled her. She was screaming when the door of the train car opened at the North and Clybourn stop.

Another man boarded the car. She screamed for help, hoping the man would do something. But, she told police, the man took off.

Police said no calls about the attack came in from North and Clybourn around the time of the attack. The man I call the Bad Samaritan apparently did nothing to try to help.

And now she holds him in greater contempt than the attacker.

"Honestly I feel like I was mad at the guy who tried to rape me, but to be perfectly honest, I was more mad at the guy who didn't help me," said the young woman. "Because he didn't stop the crime, he could have helped me, but he just didn't want to, so I feel like ..."

She paused.

"That was worse."

What shocked everyone who read this story was that someone could have helped her but didn't.

"I had no idea why — I think he was scared," the woman said. "I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure that he saw me. I yelled really loud and I was yelling even before that. I'm positive that he saw us. (The) reasons (he didn't intervene), I have no idea."

Of course she has an idea. She said it herself. It involves fear.

Perhaps it was fear of being hurt or fear of confrontation. And yet, we hear so many stories about those who do get involved when there's trouble.

They're the folks who pull the driver from the burning car. They confront the bully. They shield potential prey from criminals. They are their brothers' keepers, cops and paramedics mostly, but sometimes just everyday people too.

They're compelled to help. And sometimes they get hurt. That's part of it too. Ignoring the risk is wrong. But civilized beings help each other.

And what of those who might not get in a tussle, but who show compassion, by calling for help or offering a kind word or saying, "Don't worry ma'am, your kids are here. They're fine. I'll wait here with them for the ambulance."

There are people like this in the world, too, and we shouldn't forget them.

Yet this man ran, and as far as we know did nothing. His face presumably is on CTA surveillance video, which prosecutors say captured the attack. I'd love to talk to him, to find out why he ran. At first, I wanted to condemn him. But now, I feel sad for him.

Don't you feel it? Sad for the selfish, sad for the fearful. Sad for him.

But what would the rest of us do? It's easy to say what you'd like to see yourself as doing. But saying and doing are two different things.

The 27-year-old woman got on the Red Line at the Fullerton stop around 5 a.m. Sunday. The defendant, Ronald Sparks, was in the car, authorities say. They did not know each other.

According to the Cook County state's attorney's office, when the train doors closed he approached her from behind. He began touching her leg. She pushed his hand away. And then, prosecutors say, he told her he'd rape her.

He pushed her down across the seats and grabbed her shorts and she fought back, according to prosecutors. She screamed. He covered her mouth. He pushed her to the floor. They fought.

And as she fought, she grabbed his testicles and he stood up and she screamed some more.

The assailant gave up at Clybourn and fled into the next train car, prosecutors said. The woman got off at the next stop, Division and Clark, and got help from a CTA employee.

The next day, a security guard spotted a man smoking a cigar inside a CTA train at State and Lake streets who matched a photo on a CTA bulletin. Police arrested Sparks, 34, who now faces charges including aggravated criminal sexual assault.

According to prosecutors, Sparks has a 2013 public indecency conviction in which he was arrested after masturbating in front of a woman at the Harold Washington Library.

Men like this surf the Internet for pornography, and their rights to view porn at public libraries are protected — in the same libraries that your children visit — and then something like this happens.

According to prosecutors:

"When the train stopped at Clybourn, a male passenger entered the same car that (the defendant) and (the victim) were in. (The victim) screamed for help, but the unknown male passenger turned and exited the train car. (The defendant) then fled into the next train car, leaving his cellphone behind. ... The incident was captured on clear, multi-angle CTA surveillance video."

But video didn't prevent the attack. She stopped her own rape, a woman alone, by fighting back as the Bad Samaritan was nowhere to be found.

And still, she wanted you to know this.

"Physically, everything is good," she said. "They checked. Everyone was real nice to me. I'm pretty happy about (the arrest) because this guy was already on record and he did something before wrong too. I guess it's good that the police can catch him.

"If there's anything I want to say the most, is that if you see someone asking for help, don't go away, just stop or at least help," she said. "Because he could have stopped the train, or called police or do so many friggin' things in the world instead of just running away like a chicken. I think that was horrible."

Yes it was. It was horrible. And so very sad.[\b]

iris lilies
5-14-15, 1:37am
A small matter, but this bolded item from the story is incorrect:

Men like this surf the Internet for pornography, and their rights to view porn at public libraries are protected — in the same libraries that your children visit — and then something like this happens.

No, there is no guaranteed right to view porn on computers in a public library. My library kicked the guys off who did it repeatedly.

Otherwise, it is too bad that the guy who got off the train didn't call the cops.

My friend was riding her bike near our neighborhood, but outside of it, and was approached by two men who kept stepping in her path. She managed to elude them and rode on a little further down the block where two men were leaning against a commercial establishment. She got off her bike and went over to stand by them, thinking they'd provide a shield. Nope, they just laughed and jeered at her.

I would like to think that all men act in gallant ways, but they do not. They are not all our protectors. Some are thugs.

flowerseverywhere
5-14-15, 7:10am
Almost everyone has a cellphone. How hard is it to call 911.

Miss Cellane
5-14-15, 7:34am
A small matter, but this bolded item from the story is incorrect:

Men like this surf the Internet for pornography, and their rights to view porn at public libraries are protected — in the same libraries that your children visit — and then something like this happens.

No, there is no guaranteed right to view porn on computers in a public library. My library kicked the guys off who did it repeatedly.

Otherwise, it is too bad that the guy who got off the train didn't call the cops.

My friend was riding her bike near our neighborhood, but outside of it, and was approached by two men who kept stepping in her path. She managed to elude them and rode on a little further down the block where two men were leaning against a commercial establishment. She got off her bike and went over to stand by them, thinking they'd provide a shield. Nope, they just laughed and jeered at her.

I would like to think that all men act in gallant ways, but they do not. They are not all our protectors. Some are thugs.

Viewing porn at the public library is a protected right in some states. It has been decided that the libraries cannot censor what patrons do on the computers. I know in the university library I worked in, people would complain that they saw someone watching porn on a library computer, but again, the decision had been made that the library would not censor what was watched, because someone might be doing legitimate academic research. I kid you not.

Float On
5-14-15, 8:14am
Viewing porn at the public library is a protected right in some states. It has been decided that the libraries cannot censor what patrons do on the computers. I know in the university library I worked in, people would complain that they saw someone watching porn on a library computer, but again, the decision had been made that the library would not censor what was watched, because someone might be doing legitimate academic research. I kid you not.

I had no idea!

iris lilies
5-14-15, 10:06am
Viewing porn at the public library is a protected right in some states. It has been decided that the libraries cannot censor what patrons do on the computers. I know in the university library I worked in, people would complain that they saw someone watching porn on a library computer, but again, the decision had been made that the library would not censor what was watched, because someone might be doing legitimate academic research. I kid you not.

Which state protects pron watching at the public library? I am skeptical. I think there is a big difference between a state explicitly legislating freedom to view anything on a publicly accessed computer vs. remaining silent on the matter. Most states jump all over themselves to have a version of the Child Internet Protection Act on their books (which may not really restrict anyone's viewing--depends on how it is carried out) but that doesn't restrict what adults do.

Academic libraries have different clientele than public libraries. Personally, I don't care-- theoretically --what adults watch and where. It's the practical fallout from those actions that cause trouble.

We may have talked about this before, it sounds vaguely familiar to me.

Dhiana
5-14-15, 12:03pm
We are assuming a lot about the witness AND the police.

How can one make an anonymous 911 call nowadays without any pay phones?

Last I heard the police are not required to come when a 911 call is made either.

Tradd
5-14-15, 12:08pm
Are you in the don't ever call 911 category?

Packy
5-14-15, 12:16pm
Yes, yes. Yes. Long, long ago, far, far, away, in a time when lirarrrys had no 'putters, I went to the lirrrarrry just to seeee the books. But, now they have 'putters, and they are all in a row by the reference section, where the reference lirrarrrrans or whatever, can oversee the use of the putters. Okay--to use them, you've got to give them an ID card. See? The 'putters are at a table, so there's no way you could look at pornnnogggraffy without being observed. See? They won't let you, anyway. The "putters are blocked, see? So, don't move here & try it, just to be a test case for the ACLU. You won't get far. The lirrrarry policy is to block so-called "adult content". That is fine with mee; it would be an inappropriate use of the 'putters, just like playing youtube videos of music would be inappropriate. See? I don't know why you kids are getting all going on this silly subject, for. You kids get to going on-and-on on very irrelevant subjects, and completely ignore the important stuff. Why can't we discuss important stuff, instead of ghetto behavior, and stuff like"growing" flowers that are annuals & come up every year like clockwork, anyway? Then, you kids take your nice, clean, safe, new, safe, new, clean new car into the dealership to have new air put in the tires and another one o' them pine tree air fresheners hung on the rear-view mirrors & pay $879.46 plus parts and labor, simply because you "haven't got time to fool with it", what with mowing, weddings, mowing, grandkids baptisms, mowing and birthdays, mowing, and going out to ceremoniously eat a $100 meal and mowing and then hoeing the peas n' carrots so you can have "veggies" that are luscious, yummy, scrumptious, and "melt in your mouth" ? Then, mowing some mo'. Huh? Answer that one in 10,000 words or less. Don't make it your Doctoral Dissertation, either. See my point? Hope that helps you kids some. Thankk mee. I've got some REAL stories about cart-pushers and aisle-blockers to share, if only a thread was posted about it. Now, THAT, is a real subject worth a real discussion. . Just trying to help. Not trying to be funny. Thankk Mee.

Teacher Terry
5-14-15, 2:26pm
I am shocked that at the very least the man did not call 911. When I was 27 I was driving a big old truck off of our street at night. I saw a man approaching a young girl & her looking afraid & backing up. I backed up & pointed my truck at him & said leave her alone or I will run you over. He was all dressed up but had a crappy car. He shows me a badge, says he is a cop & is going to give her a ride home because she is upset. I say no-I will give her a ride home. If you try to go by her I will run you over & ask questions later. He leaves.

ToomuchStuff
5-14-15, 6:29pm
Almost everyone has a cellphone. How hard is it to call 911.

The first word of your post.
So if you don't and with the major lack of pay phones now?
Until this person is identified and interviewed, we don't know the whole story. For all we know this guy could have been connected with the attacker and did what they did as an all clear signal.

peggy
5-20-15, 12:31pm
The first word of your post.
So if you don't and with the major lack of pay phones now?
Until this person is identified and interviewed, we don't know the whole story. For all we know this guy could have been connected with the attacker and did what they did as an all clear signal.

This is true. I first started carrying a cell phone just 6 years ago, and probably wouldn't have one (at least on me) yet if my land line hadn't died. Only then did we decide to ditch the land line and go with cell. Even then I only carried it with me when i was expecting a call.

ApatheticNoMore
5-20-15, 12:43pm
Almost everyone has a cellphone. How hard is it to call 911.

and then you find out it's out of money (always happening with prepaid cells) or less frequently you forgot to charge it.