View Full Version : The Ferguson Effect (good news for Rob, bad news for IL)
Yossarian
5-30-15, 12:20pm
Good work Rob. Too bad IL.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-new-nationwide-crime-wave-1432938425
Gun violence is up more than 60% compared with this time last year, according to Baltimore police, with 32 shootings over Memorial Day weekend. May has been the most violent month the city has seen in 15 years.
In Milwaukee, homicides were up 180% by May 17 over the same period the previous year. Through April, shootings in St. Louis were up 39%, robberies 43%, and homicides 25%. “Crime is the worst I’ve ever seen it,” said St. Louis Alderman Joe Vacarro at a May 7 City Hall hearing.
Murders in Atlanta were up 32% as of mid-May. Shootings in Chicago had increased 24% and homicides 17%. Shootings and other violent felonies in Los Angeles had spiked by 25%; in New York, murder was up nearly 13%, and gun violence 7%.
Those citywide statistics from law-enforcement officials mask even more startling neighborhood-level increases. Shooting incidents are up 500% in an East Harlem precinct compared with last year; in a South Central Los Angeles police division, shooting victims are up 100%.
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Almost any police shooting of a black person, no matter how threatening the behavior that provoked the shooting, now provokes angry protests, like those that followed the death of Vonderrit Myers in St. Louis last October. The 18-year-old Myers, awaiting trial on gun and resisting-arrest charges, had fired three shots at an officer at close range. Arrests in black communities are even more fraught than usual, with hostile, jeering crowds pressing in on officers and spreading lies about the encounter.
Acquittals of police officers for the use of deadly force against black suspects are now automatically presented as a miscarriage of justice. Proposals aimed at producing more cop convictions abound, but New York state seems especially enthusiastic about the idea.
This incessant drumbeat against the police has resulted in what St. Louis police chief Sam Dotson last November called the “Ferguson effect.” Cops are disengaging from discretionary enforcement activity and the “criminal element is feeling empowered,” Mr. Dotson reported. Arrests in St. Louis city and county by that point had dropped a third since the shooting of Michael Brown in August. Not surprisingly, homicides in the city surged 47% by early November and robberies in the county were up 82%.
Similar “Ferguson effects” are happening across the country as officers scale back on proactive policing under the onslaught of anti-cop rhetoric. Arrests in Baltimore were down 56% in May compared with 2014.
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If these decriminalization and deincarceration policies backfire, the people most harmed will be their supposed beneficiaries: blacks, since they are disproportionately victimized by crime. The black death-by-homicide rate is six times higher than that of whites and Hispanics combined. The killers of those black homicide victims are overwhelmingly other black civilians, not the police. The police could end all use of lethal force tomorrow and it would have at most a negligible impact on the black death rate. In any case, the strongest predictor of whether a police officer uses force is whether a suspect resists arrest, not the suspect’s race.
Another cheap shot at Rob. So tiresome. I can't speak for him, but I think most reasonable people would like to see less thuggish behavior on both sides of the badge. I could make a list of all the unarmed people of color brutalized or killed by America's finest that have made the news, but there would be no point.
Wall Street Journal? Isn't that the print arm of Fox News? (NewsCorp, Rupert Murdoch?) Network for the Elderly, Uninformed, and Frightened? :devil:
iris lilies
5-30-15, 1:28pm
There's nothing smart or glib to say about this uptick in crime here. That the asshole Vonderitt Myers, useless thug and drain on this community, is held up as an innocent victim of police brutality shows how completely off the charts his supporters are. His mother claims he held a "sandwich" rather than a gun. Ok, Mom, whatever.
Vonderitt Myers is the dead thug I know best since he died in the neighborhood near me and I pass by his teddy bear totem often. It's just 2 blocks from the Missouri Botanical Gardens and is on my route there.
Perhaps if Rob would relax a little his repetitive drumbeat screed about America there would be less hostility to his posts. Most reasonable people will acknowledge there are bad cops who do bad things and probably even admit that African Americans experience more negative police encounters in their neighborhood, but I think most reasonable people do not make that the focus of their lives.
Rob, you can state your opinion and as often as you like, but you can't expect there to be no push back.
Another cheap shot at Rob.
I don't see it as a cheap shot at all. It's merely pointing out the outcome of the policies and attitudes Rob constantly endorses and cheers on.
They had a young man & a woman(both white) assaulted on a downtown street here last fall by 5 thugs, who took turns beating the victims, including a sexual assault on the woman and kicking the guy after he was on the pavement. This occurred in a well-lit area by a bank that had surveillance cameras, and a police cruiser was in the vicinity and responded immediately to the commotion. After an investigation,using the video and tips to identify them, the perpetrators were taken into custody on felony assault charges. Apparently, they belonged to an out-of-town "rap music"(an oxymoron, there)group that was appearing at a local nightclub. The couple who were assaulted were hospitalized with non-life-threatening injuries. The news story said they missed time off their jobs & were unable to care for their children while recovering. My question is: what are they doing out at 1 am in the bars, when they have small children? Anyway, thuggery goes on everywhere--even here. But, the will of the community is such that there will be little tolerance for "gangsta" behaviors; they will NEVER be the prevailing culture, as in other areas. They can lynch 'em, for all I care. Bail for the perps was set high enough that they will be sitting in our lovely jail(ewww!!)for a while, awaiting due process.
That's an interesting anecdote, Packy. But some of us--perhaps foolishly--expect more from our taxpayer supported police officers than we do from common criminals. I guess I'm missing your point.
Another cheap shot at Rob.
I don't think I am stretching it to say this is what he has been asking for:
“Any cop who uses his gun now has to worry about being indicted and losing his job and family,” a New York City officer tells me. “Everything has the potential to be recorded. A lot of cops feel that the climate for the next couple of years is going to be nonstop protests.”
Police officers now second-guess themselves about the use of force. “Officers are trying to invent techniques on the spot for taking down resistant suspects that don’t look as bad as the techniques taught in the academy,” says Jim Dudley, who recently retired as deputy police chief in San Francisco. Officers complain that civilians don’t understand how hard it is to control someone resisting arrest.
gimmethesimplelife
5-30-15, 7:37pm
Mmmmm.....the problem with slapping my name on an aspect of this? The police in general should not have been using extreme levels of excessive force and should not have established themselves in lower income neighborhoods as something to be feared and avoided and distrusted at all costs. Blame indeed - some degree of it - lies at their doorstep. Perhaps feeling neutered to some degree, humuliated, and ineffective will serve to give some cops not in it for the right reasons an idea of what they have dished out for years, on a discriminatory basis of course (whites tend not be be victims as often even if low income and cops tend to behave themselves in higher income areas due to terror of litigation risk/loss of benefits and pension).
I don't know that there is any complete answer for this issue as to high crime rate areas in the shape and form America now assumes - my gut is that there really isn't an answer due to intense inequalities accepted in America. But at least getting government thugs out of the equation is a start - though this is not without it's issues, too. As I said, I don't see a real answer for this overall issue as long as America stands as it now stands. Sad but seemingly true. Rob
And there we have it. Rob's World.
Enjoy!
I can't find anything much to disagree with in Rob's post. I've never lived in a high crime area, but I know, for example, that the Seattle police have been under investigation for excessive force for some time*, and it's clear that police brutality occurs in most major cities. So it's not just Rob's world, it's my world, and Amadou Diallo's world, Abner Louima's world and Tamir Rice's world, Bounkham Phonesavanh's world, and too many more to count.
http://www.npr.org/2012/04/06/150128344/faith-in-seattle-police-shaken-by-doj-investigation
WIth countless episodes of police violence against citizens (Baltimore didn't pay out $6M in the last 4 years for no reason. And that's just one city out of many) I guess the question I have for the people frustrated with Rob is this: Do you even see this as a problem, and if you do, what do you think the solution is? Is it:
1) This is a problem, but there is no solution. Amadou Diallo is just unfortunate collateral damage. Nothing needs to change
2) It is a problem. I think we need to be doing_____.
3) People just need to learn to be more deferential to cops. That pregnant woman in California asserting her right not to give her name hopefully learned a lesson.
4) Outlaw cell phone cameras.
5) Something else entirely (insert your suggestion here).
The impression I have gotten from these multiple threads is that there are a number of people here who don't see police violence against citizens as a problem. I personally do, although I won't even pretend to know what the solution is, but I'm curious if the people frustrated with Rob share this thought of if they truly think that everything is hunky dory or at least as good as we can hope for.
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The impression I have gotten from these multiple threads is that there are a number of people here who don't see police violence against citizens as a problem. I personally do, although I won't even pretend to know what the solution is, but I'm curious if the people frustrated with Rob share this thought of if they truly think that everything is hunky dory or at least as good as we can hope for.
That's what puzzles me, too. Oh well, it's just them, those nasty poor people. Collateral damage. No big deal.
The bad actors never seem to be punished; they just get a paid vacation. If this is as good as we can hope for, it's bound to get worse. It makes me think of that famous Niemoller quote:
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
When and if the government starts issuing edicts "at the point of a gun," who do you think is going to be wielding that weapon?
Teacher Terry
5-30-15, 10:25pm
I wish I knew the solution. things have gotten carried away for sure with the cops being brutal. But as a social worker I know they see horrible things everyday. No easy answer. When I lived in a small town in Wis the cops were good-bigger town in WEst they are brutal.
Yossarian
5-30-15, 10:39pm
but I'm curious if the people frustrated with Rob share this thought of if they truly think that everything is hunky dory or at least as good as we can hope for.
I can only speak for myself on this one, but I'm certain there are plenty of cases where bad things happen. I've seen some of them myself. It's a good thing where those events are discovered and the guilty parties punished. I would favor harsh penalties for those who are determined by a fair process to have abused the public trust and the authority that is vested in them. But no individual should be innocently sacrificed on the alter of public appeasement.
What I don't favor is the lynch mob mentality that is irresponsible and counter productive. It's asinine to undermine all the well meaning, hard-working people who are trying to do an incredibly hard job or to even put their lives in further danger.
If you think there is a problem, try to understand it in a rational way and look for tailored solutions instead of lashing out with these ill-conceived emotional outbursts.
gimmethesimplelife
5-30-15, 11:10pm
I can only speak for myself on this one, but I'm certain there are plenty of cases where bad things happen. I've seen some of them myself. It's a good thing where those events are discovered and the guilty parties punished. I would favor harsh penalties for those who are determined by a fair process to have abused the public trust and the authority that is vested in them. But no individual should be innocently sacrificed on the alter of public appeasement.
What I don't favor is the lynch mob mentality that is irresponsible and counter productive. It's asinine to undermine all the well meaning, hard-working people who are trying to do an incredibly hard job or to even put their lives in further danger.
If you think there is a problem, try to understand it in a rational way and look for tailored solutions instead of lashing out with these ill-conceived emotional outbursts.Ill conceived emotional outburts? Expecting the police to operate under and within the laws they have been sworn to uphold (for which they receive a not trivial salary and to die for benefits, though I'm sure this varies by location) and calling them for out for their illegal behaviors, especially life threatening ones, is an ill conceived emotional outburst? All I will add to this is no wonder I see certain issues the way I do and post as I do.....Human rights matter to me. This is a non-negotiable stance on my part that has always transcended citizenship or country. Rob
That's what puzzles me, too. Oh well, it's just them, those nasty poor people. Collateral damage. No big deal.
The bad actors never seem to be punished; they just get a paid vacation. If this is as good as we can hope for, it's bound to get worse. It makes me think of that famous Niemoller quote:
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
When and if the government starts issuing edicts "at the point of a gun," who do you think is going to be wielding that weapon?That's funny, and the reason is that the socialists, the trade unionists, and the jews I am familiar with, seem to be pretty darn capable of "Speaking Out" for themselves!
That's funny, and the reason is that the socialists, the trade unionists, and the jews I am familiar with, seem to be pretty darn capable of "Speaking Out" for themselves!
Maybe they learned their lesson. ;)
Human rights matter to me.
Childish oversimplifications are going to lead to bad policies. No one is against human rights, it's how you balance them. Baltimore is not a big city, but 30 people there were shot over the holiday weekend. Who's worried about their rights? Everyone's rights and freedoms should be protected. To do that we put the burden on a small number of people and place them in incredibly difficult positions. Not "gee, table 6 sure is asking for a lot of refills tonight" kind of problems, but situations where people die based on quick decisions with imperfect information. Yes, we need to punish the people who abuse the authority we give them to deal with all that. But the system will work better where there is a cooperative relationship among the actors.
. . .What I don't favor is the lynch mob mentality that is irresponsible and counter productive. It's asinine to undermine all the well meaning, hard-working people who are trying to do an incredibly hard job or to even put their lives in further danger. ..
Pointing out illegal behavior by those who wear a badge is not "undermining all" of those people. It is making the streets safer. Aren't there statistics saying that when police wear body cameras the incidents of public complaints about brutality actually goes down by a significant percentage? That's one solution that is now being implemented across various states. Much cheaper than having to pay out the millions of dollars when losing lawsuits.
I would propose more community policing, transparency (via body and dash cams), aggressive rooting out of sociopaths, racists, and head-bangers among the rank and file, requiring degrees (2- or 4-year), and instituting higher pay. Along with zero tolerance for corruption and repeat offenses. Also I would cut police chases to an absolute minimum. They're a dangerous, foolish waste of time, gas, and officers, and often result in injury and property damage to innocent bystanders.
Yossarian
5-31-15, 11:08am
Pointing out illegal behavior by those who wear a badge is not "undermining all" of those people.
Everyone agrees, as far as I know, that illegal behavior should be addressed. Seems to me the issue is more about how-- through a balanced and deliberative process or simply entering the convictions once you get a certain number of YouTube hits.
The impression I have gotten from these multiple threads is that there are a number of people here who don't see police violence against citizens as a problem.
I haven't gotten that impression at all. I have seen multiple people advocating for the rule of law and due process.
So in the same vein as this thread, let's start one titled "Good News for Republicans." We can state that all Republicans are happy over the news of the VP's son Beau Biden's death because all Republicans hate all Democrats all of the time, so therefore one less Democrat is good news.
I haven't gotten that impression at all. I have seen multiple people advocating for the rule of law and due process.
I actually intended my question prospectively, not retrospectively.
gimmethesimplelife
6-1-15, 8:56am
I haven't gotten that impression at all. I have seen multiple people advocating for the rule of law and due process.One huge problem with what you have stated here, Bae, and yet another reasons I doubt I'd ever be able to trust police in America, is that for too many times cops have been above the rule of law. I no longer have faith in the rule of law or in due process as far as police officers are concerned. This will be lifelong in my case - the trust has been severed and will not be coming back.
That said, place yourself in someone else's shoes for a moment if you would be so kind. If life has taught you the validity and truth of what I have posted above, how would you see the police? How much faith would you have the someone is indeed policing the police? Seriously, on so many levels America doesn't work very well, this being yet another level but this level can quickly mean life and death to innocent people and thankfully, this issue is gaining traction and terror in the general public. I don't see any real hope for change as long as America stands as it stands now, but there is more awareness of this evil and that's at least a start. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
6-1-15, 9:14am
I would propose more community policing, transparency (via body and dash cams), aggressive rooting out of sociopaths, racists, and head-bangers among the rank and file, requiring degrees (2- or 4-year), and instituting higher pay. Along with zero tolerance for corruption and repeat offenses. Also I would cut police chases to an absolute minimum. They're a dangerous, foolish waste of time, gas, and officers, and often result in injury and property damage to innocent bystanders.I agree with everything you have suggested here and I love the idea of aggressively getting rid of the trash behind a badge - it's so long overdue it's a national disgrace. And one that the rest of the world is quite aware of thanks to the power of the Internet. I also believe there really can be no trust of the police in America going forward period - the have proven themselves untrusthworthy too many times. I'd love to see them with dash cams and body cameras (with immediate and irrevocable financial consequences and possibly public media coverage for the first incident of turning such off) and with the general public equipped with video at all times with a new constitutional law in effect legalizing such beyond any dispute. The police have taken this to the point where realistically Constitutional provisions would be a sane solution - and admission to both the nation and the world that American police can't be trusted and notice of some serious action to empower American citizens against this fact. Will it ever happen? I seriously doubt it. Something sweeping needs to be done though as what we've got now is not working for too high a percentage of the population - as a white gay middle aged male how I am supposed to forgive America that I am afraid to go to the Art Museum on Wednesday nights, which is the night the museum stays open until 9 PM. I could take the bus home easily but I am afraid of the police who relentlessly prowl that main road I'd be waiting for the bus on. I'm not free in this country.....once you are afraid to do something so benign as attending an Art Museum - you really are not free. Rob
I'm not free in this country.....once you are afraid to do something so benign as attending an Art Museum - you really are not free. RobBut the cool thing is, and to get back to the basis of this thread, as police pare back on active policing in response to community and political pressure and violent crimes increase as has been reported in many cities, there's a good chance your local police will avoid your neighborhood. Of course when you do get mugged at the bus stop because the criminal element feels emboldened, you may have to do some soul searching to determine who's to blame, but that might be a good thing.
flowerseverywhere
6-1-15, 10:33am
I would propose more community policing, transparency (via body and dash cams), aggressive rooting out of sociopaths, racists, and head-bangers among the rank and file, requiring degrees (2- or 4-year), and instituting higher pay. Along with zero tolerance for corruption and repeat offenses. Also I would cut police chases to an absolute minimum. They're a dangerous, foolish waste of time, gas, and officers, and often result in injury and property damage to innocent bystanders.
jane, your solution requires an investment of money, and raising taxes is very unpopular so widespread adoption of all those ideas is unlikely. But I see instituting some of your ideas could help tremendously.
And in another vein, helping people lift themselves out of poverty could reduce the crime rate and thus the need for police to have such a presence I and become so jaded. Many recent decisions and their consequences have really hurt poorer people. These predatory for profit colleges saddling people with ridiculous student loans and worthless degrees. Less access to birth control and abortion for women. Stories of employers cutting workers hours to part time so they would not have to provide health insurance. School budgets being cut. all of these things hurt the poor the most. and all these laws proposed or passed which demonize the poor don't help. Like drug testing for welfare recipients. Or the persistent "welfare queen" myth. Or the impression people have more children to get more benefits.
Again, since it requires money and taxation, I think bolstering the schools, giving high crime rate schools the highest paid teachers, police in every school to facilitate relations and make it safe, top notch buildings and equipment will give these kids a chance.
flowerseverywhere
6-1-15, 10:42am
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jane, your solution requires an investment of money, and raising taxes is very unpopular so widespread adoption of all those ideas is unlikely. But I see instituting some of your ideas could help tremendously.
And in another vein, helping people lift themselves out of poverty could reduce the crime rate and thus the need for police to have such a presence I and become so jaded. Many recent decisions and their consequences have really hurt poorer people. These predatory for profit colleges saddling people with ridiculous student loans and worthless degrees. Less access to birth control and abortion for women. Stories of employers cutting workers hours to part time so they would not have to provide health insurance. School budgets being cut. all of these things hurt the poor the most. and all these laws proposed or passed which demonize the poor don't help. Like drug testing for welfare recipients. Or the persistent "welfare queen" myth. Or the impression people have more children to get more benefits.
Again, since it requires money and taxation, I think bolstering the schools, giving high crime rate schools the highest paid teachers, police in every school to facilitate relations and make it safe, top notch buildings and equipment will give these kids a chance.
More tax money spent this way should be considered an investment, and could be offset by less military/industrial spending. And funded by a return to sane tax rates and the repeal of laws allowing offshoring. You're right--this country doesn't seem to be particularly receptive to building social or physical infrastructures. We have a peculiarly short-sighted and greed-driven outlook, a get it while you can and to hell with the environment or society mindset that doesn't serve us well. We're all in this together, whether we like it or not.
gimmethesimplelife
6-1-15, 12:23pm
But the cool thing is, and to get back to the basis of this thread, as police pare back on active policing in response to community and political pressure and violent crimes increase as has been reported in many cities, there's a good chance your local police will avoid your neighborhood. Of course when you do get mugged at the bus stop because the criminal element feels emboldened, you may have to do some soul searching to determine who's to blame, but that might be a good thing.I carry nothing on me I don't absolutely need for my day.....no great number of cards or opportunities to fleece and scam will you find in my wallet. Other than the rare times I carry my laptop with me being mugged would not be that big a deal in my case - especially since I keep state issued ID separately on me. On the other hand, the police could kill me, lie about it, cover for themselves, and perhaps nothing would be done about it, Alan. This is America today. I'll take the risk of being mugged over the risk of interaction with the police in this case. That one seems a no-brainer - anyone who has ever lived in fear of the police will understand. Rob
I'll take the risk of being mugged over the risk of interaction with the police in this case. Gosh, I hope your neighbors feel the same way.
gimmethesimplelife
6-1-15, 12:49pm
Gosh, I hope your neighbors feel the same way.Check. They do. The risk of interacting with the police in any way, shape, or form has become too high. Rob
I'm thinking muggers with guns, carte blanche, and a known history of homicidal violence would indeed give one pause.
gimmethesimplelife
6-1-15, 2:18pm
I'm thinking muggers with guns, carte blanche, and a known history of homicidal violence would indeed give one pause.Bump it up to this level, here, and it's not a simple choice. My best option would be could I avoid the thuggery period, both criminals with a badge and criminals without a badge? That would be the best option for many of us these days, but with disintergration of American society it's not a realistic option for most of us these days, I get that. I guess my best bet is to do what I always post, keep a smartphone on me and keep as how a profile as possible. In my case since i'm white keeping some skin showing (think t-shirts, shorts) helps too as with white skin I am stastistically less likely to become a victim - at least to government thuggery. I do my best to dress decently but also generically so I can blend into a crowd, and I don't have much bling to flash so that's not an issue in my case. Rob
How many middle-aged white guys are shot and killed by your local police every year, Rob, while innocently on the way to/from the art museum?
gimmethesimplelife
6-1-15, 2:42pm
How many middle-aged white guys are shot and killed by your local police every year, Rob, while innocently on the way to/from the art museum?SURPRISE! I'm going to concede that you have a point here and my answer to you is probably not very many. But, and there's a but coming, nothing is really ever that simple and there is much under the surface on this one. My point beyond yours is that, as I have stated ad infinitum, due to what I have seen and experienced in my life I don't have that basic trust in the police, nor in the criminal justice system to deliver justice via due process once the police cross the line. My chances of becomming a victim to these government thugs is not among the highest - I'll grant that - but living in a lower income area my chances of being illegally attacked, hassled, in general being victimized by the police through no fault of my own - is much higher than if I lived somewhere "nicer". Given that I know this, of course I'm going to be distrustful and wary, Bae. And seeing my Guatemalan neighbors attacked right in front of my own eyes - that image is seared into me until my grave whenever that is. Matter of fact, whenever I think of America, this is the first thing I think of now - at least the PR I have to dish out about America is honest and real if nothing else. Gotta give it that much. Rob
SURPRISE! I'm going to concede that you have a point here and my answer to you is probably not very many.
Probably not many!?!? Has even one middle-aged white guy ever been shot while innocently on the way to/from the art museum in your neighborhood?
And seeing my Guatemalan neighbors attacked right in front of my own eyes - that image is seared into me until my grave whenever that is. Matter of fact, whenever I think of America, this is the first thing I think of now ...
PTSD. This incident seems to dominate your thoughts, and makes you uncomfortable even going outside. Might be worth talking to someone.
flowerseverywhere
6-4-15, 7:02pm
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/06/01/riot-pharmacy-looting-linked-to-spike-in-city-crime/
one answer to the uptick in the cities crime. Police told to stand down during the riots. 27 pharmacies and two methadone clinics were robbed. Now the drugs are on the street.
iris lilies
6-5-15, 8:33am
Some recent nasty business from the facts-dont-matter mob: they descended on the front lawn of our city's prosecutor Jennifer Joyce banging on her door, repeatedly ringing.her doorbell, harrassing her.Thugs and bullies they are. They were unhappy there was no indictment for the police officer who shot VonDerrit Myers. Myers shot at the police officer.
She is a classy dame and said that her role in the public sphere brings negative attention, but her neighbors didn't sign up for the rioting on their block. She has already changed the policy of her department to automatically review every police shooting incident to see if there has been a crime. She is reviewing ALL shootings not just deaths, but all injuries caused by police. Formerly her office took only the cases passed on to her by the police Internal Affairs investigations.
The mob is stupid, they are comically ridiculous, even if dangerous. Joyce issued a 50 page investigative report on the VonDerrit Myers shooting and when producing it, she begged Myers family and their attorney to provide eye witnesses to speak to all of the rumors flying around Myers' innocence. None came forth. Yet the mob will still hang her for her action.
gimmethesimplelife
6-5-15, 10:52am
Probably not many!?!? Has even one middle-aged white guy ever been shot while innocently on the way to/from the art museum in your neighborhood?
PTSD. This incident seems to dominate your thoughts, and makes you uncomfortable even going outside. Might be worth talking to someone.There's just one huge glaring problem with what you have posted here, Bae.....I'll point it out to you neutrally but I will say that what is off here (to me anyway) is in letters ten feet high and can be seen from miles away.
Let's say there is something to what you have posted and to some degree I do have PTSD. What you neglect to realize is that this did not happen in a vacuum, and for me to address this issue if I do suffer from it is great - I'll give you that - but you neglect to address any of the issues in society such as with police brutality that caused this to happen. This did not happen in a vacuum, Bae, and I am not getting the sense that you understand this. Some advice? Finger off me a bit and pointed back towards socety - as I said, this did not happen in a vacuum and there are major issues with the police in lower income American neighborhoods that need to be addressed. At least finally the media has latched onto this issue - it's a good start. And social media is fixing it so that the rest of the world can see how inequitable America is and how for some human rights don't mean much if anything at all. I find hope in the rest of the world knowing this via social media as this may lead to more rejection of the American way overseas - given what I have experienced in the US I'm all for that, provided that this rejection does not lead to more terrorist attacks against the US. But as of yet I don't see much being done about the real root of the problem and I'm not sure I have faith that America is strong enough to look itself in the mirror and actually admit for some it just doesn't work very well. It sure would be a good start to admit this domestically and internationally. Rob
and actually admit for some it just doesn't work very well.
Of course it doesn't. I think we accept a broader array of outcomes. You can succeed big or fail big. Free speech can result in people speaking truth to power or hurting other people's feelings. Right to bear arms can empower individuals to self defense or criminals to hurt. Right to privacy can make you feel secure or protect criminals from investigation. Managing your own money can lead to financial independence or poverty. The more you empower the individual the more bad outcomes you will have on the downside of whatever spectrum you have. We get that you want a nanny state. Not everyone does.
The mob is stupid, they are comically ridiculous, even if dangerous.
Good to see you have at least one intelligent person in St Louis
https://www.facebook.com/peggy.hubbard1/videos/1176909579005002/?pnref=story
ETA or here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dG7mZQvaQDk
Same on both links but the second YouTube link seems faster.
We need more like this woman, for sure!
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