View Full Version : Where's Packy?
ToomuchStuff
8-1-15, 11:56am
Banned, after several complaints about him and some discussions with him about self moderation.
http://www.simplelivingforum.net/search.php?searchid=2225118
http://www.simplelivingforum.net/member.php?46047-Packy As you can see. last activity, 6-4-15.
I asked the same, via PM, because in some respects I think I saw his viewpoint on Elizabeth Smart (the thread that broke the camels back) and how she may use some of the attention the media provides, to help her charity stay in the spotlight, enough for donations, to help others.
I'm sorry to see him go. You don't like someone's posts? Ignore them. Whiners annoy me.
rodeosweetheart
8-1-15, 12:42pm
I'm sorry to see him go. You don't like someone's posts? Ignore them. Whiners annoy me.
I hear what you are saying, Jane, but I also think that Edmund Burke had it right when he said, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
And I think the kind of scurrilous things he was saying about rape victims constitute evil, not to be ignored.
Obviously, YMMV.
Sunlight being the best disinfectant, I'd go with pointing out the error of his position, personally. A number of people here espouse opinions I consider repellent. I just put them in the useful timeout known as ignore.
TMS, those links don't have anything on them. maybe that info was removed too? I found him a bit irritating because of his silliness.......but when he wasn't being silly, he seemed to have some decent/intelligent opinions. I missed that Elizabeth Smart thing all together.
Just wondering.......
Thanks.
Teacher Terry
8-1-15, 5:51pm
I am with Jane on this one.
I'm sorry to see him gone as well. I do wish he had been a little more judicious about engaging with those who clearly couldn't tolerate him, because I don't want anyone to feel persecuted and driven away from SLF. Maybe we could give him another chance? On parole? :)
I also wonder why people can't just ignore those they find annoying. It's an important life skill, and it's even easier to do in the virtual world than the real world!
Why is it when someone is acting overly rude and inappropriate, it is up to the polite folks to always make allowances?
This group of mods is very careful and slow to act so I support their decision. I don't have to know the why of everything but respect the standard that has been set with great care and followed over the recent years. Some have to second guess, it seems.
awakenedsoul
8-1-15, 6:41pm
I really appreciate the fact that he was banned. What he wrote about Elizabeth Smart (and some other women) was in my opinion, abusive and despicable.
He had 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chance and beyond and was never willing to compromise his ways. The amount of complaints regarding his posts was something we dealt with on a daily basis and the decision was difficult to make. Alan talked with Packy many times. We don't want anyone to leave and appreciate all views and angles.
I missed the whole Elizabeth Smart thing.
Float On: I certainly defer to the mods on this one. You guys clearly lean towards tolerance and letting the group sort it out for themselves, so if he passed the point of no return, so be it.
Plus, he didn't know the meaning of a paragraph! I'm sure that's why I was never that offended by his posts, because I only scanned those large blocks of texts and probably missed the stuff I might have been upset about.
I so appreciate the work behind the scenes of all the moderators who have to field these issues. A thankless job, to be sure. I personally accepted Packy's posts for what they were, even the anti-Paul McCartney ones, but I appreciate the feelings of, and I abide by, the decisions of the community.
But at the same time, I hate losing people.
ETA: OTOH, I was also very bummed that a couple of people had actually left for a while because of Packy, and I'm so glad to see them back again
awakenedsoul
8-1-15, 7:32pm
He had 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chance and beyond and was never willing to compromise his ways. The amount of complaints regarding his posts was something we dealt with on a daily basis.
I'm going to put my money where my mouth is, and send in a donation. Thanks for all the hard work.
Haha--I was thinking of leaving with Packy...:devil:
I will always remember him at the creator of "People who Mow Too Much."
I'm going to put my money where my mouth is, and send in a donation. Thanks for all the hard work.If that is a reward for banning someone you didn't care for, please don't bother. I'd rather fund the site myself than accept donations contingent upon excluding people from participation.
I got the distinct impression he was stalking some of the women on this forum over the years, and drove them away.
rodeosweetheart
8-1-15, 8:51pm
I got the distinct impression he was stalking some of the women on this forum over the years, and drove them away.
I got that impression too, Bae
iris lilies
8-1-15, 8:57pm
Personally, I think that talking about him gives him strokes.thats what bullies like.
but carry on.
i do appreciate a gently moderated group. i think we get to real conversations more easily, i don't have to sift through so many other posts that are insults or reactionary. And i definitely expect that people will not agree with me and that is part of the deal. i am fine with challenges, however there is a line for me even with people i agree with that simply makes for a forum that i don't want to be on.
What? No Packy? I didn't see the Elizabeth Smart thread. It seemed like this forum had found a way to live peacefully with Packy.
I found Packy's posts sometimes funny, rarely constructive, mostly irritating, blocked his posts and didn't realize he was gone until now.
I can easily see how Packy would be offensive to women, grammarians or vertebrates in general. My first instinct is to agree with Jane that untrammeled free speech is the most efficient way to identify who the idiots are, and that goldensmom's strategy of simply ignoring the idiots is probably the best way to deal with them. The PC crowd and other would-be censors only have power over us to the extent we hand it over (at least right now, in a couple of dozen countries).
On the other hand, this forum isn't the same thing as the public square. Participants agree to a certain standard of conduct coming in, and the moderators certainly have the right to prevent the bad actors driving the discussion down to a lowest common denominator. In this case, the expulsion was by no means arbitrary, and preceded by many warnings.
Different forums have different standards. At Vanguard Diehards, for instance, the moderators immediately cut off any discussions that smack of politics. There are plenty of other places one can go to rail against the Federal Reserve or the 1%, they want to keep it to investing. Most of the posters make it pretty clear they prefer it that way.
I think Alan and the other moderators here have performed the difficult task of providing a space for wide-ranging discussions in a civil manner; and I thank them for it.
ToomuchStuff
8-2-15, 10:51am
TMS, those links don't have anything on them. maybe that info was removed too? I found him a bit irritating because of his silliness.......but when he wasn't being silly, he seemed to have some decent/intelligent opinions. I missed that Elizabeth Smart thing all together.
Just wondering.......
Thanks.
The second link is to his profile. If you click on find latest posts, you get the same thing that the first link provided. (some links have a time out)
I got the distinct impression he was stalking some of the women on this forum over the years, and drove them away.
It was my impression, he generally just wanted to be an :moon:. Didn't matter your gender, when he found something that po'd someone, he was happy to continue. I've known a few like that, heck one boss says "I am happiest when others are miserable".
I managed to miss both the Elizabeth Smart and Paul McCartney issues somehow. But I've gotta say, if he was badmouthing Paul's mid 70's work product like Silly Love Songs it was probably deserved...
TMS...... Thanks, I got it now.
I was afraid of Packy. Not that he had any access to me personally, but just that someone that's out of control frightens me.
Little Bitty Bobby is gone again. Sigh. There was a little boy, who often brought me joy, but posted much t'was torrid. When he strove to be good, you'd 'most think he could, but when he was bad, he was horrid.
"Packy" has been here at least as long as I have, which is ... I think it's 18 years. Might be 20. He has mightily annoyed me at times, but at the risk of being rude and too personal and overstepping my boundaries ... he's got some bipolar-type issues and you can always tell when he's ramping up and going from controversial to perhaps intentionally offensive, really out of control. I think it's a shame, when he's focused he occasionally cuts closer to the bone than almost anyone here. Bobby and Brian, the two people I can count on to make me say Huh. Yeah. You really do have a point.
I understand why he was banned because when I was a mod, scanning for LBB was the #1 priority for months at a time. I was pleased to see the new turks gave that up. So, anyway ... RIP, Little Bitty Packy. ... personally, I hope you find a way back in.
I was afraid of Packy. Not that he had any access to me personally, but just that someone that's out of control frightens me.
He was out of control? He was on here before my time. He sounds like such a loose canon.
He was out of control? He was on here before my time. He sounds like such a loose canon.
He could be the definition of a troll. But he could be cool too. I liked the way most people responded to him. Or didn't. They just seemed to accept him, like any neighbor. We don't have to like everyone.
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