View Full Version : What are Donald Trump's chances of becomming President do you think?
gimmethesimplelife
8-17-15, 10:30am
And would anything change if he were elected, and if so, what might change? I personally don't know what to make of the man though I would agree that he is a breath of fresh air.....brash and bold and blunt and not politically correct. To date this seems to be working for him. I worry though if he does pull this off - simple everyday struggles that most Americans face are beyond his comprehension (though this could be said of almost all politicians, both sides of the aisle). Case in point - when I was in Nogales, Mexico recently I had a dental nightguard made at a dentist office there for 70% less than in Phoenix. Not only would Trump not understand the need to flee a border to afford such but he actively makes comments against a country that allows someone like me to afford such.
This is just one example where I personally am affected, I'm sure more examples are out there where other people are affected in other ways. I don't care for some of his seemingly anti-female comments lately, either.....I worry with him in charge lines would be continuously crossed to the detriment of getting anything done period (though Congress the past few years does not have a record of getting much done before Trump did well in the polls, that much is true).
I just don't know what to make of Trump but he is seeming more like a credible challenger to me as he is able to tap into the intense anger many Americans have now as the inequalities of this system are more glaringly obvious to the masses these days. Good for him for tapping into this anger but if elected, could he honestly change anything? And with his business background, would he not favor that which leads to more inequality to begin with? Rob
My vote is going to Bernie Sanders, who is also bold and blunt, but in a more kind and compassionate way...qualities which are very important to me in a leader, but if I were only going to limit my vote to republican candidates, then I might consider Trump simply because he seems to be more open about expressing the things his rivals also think and feel, but try to sugar-coat them for political gain. While I won't go so far as to say Trump is honest, I'd rather someone tell me what he wants to do, regardless of how vile it is, then to want to do exactly the same thing and cover it up to make himself seem more moderate.
I'd be surprised if Trump would be able to win against any of the democratic candidates in the general election though. While Trump does seem to speak for the minds of many angry, white, male republicans, I don't think he's won many friends outside of that category. It will be interesting to see how things progress though.
. While Trump does seem to speak for the minds of many angry, white, male republicans, I don't think he's won many friends outside of that category.
He's actually doing quite well among all classifications of minorities, although it's entirely possible they're all angry, white, male, republicans in disguise.
He's not my choice, but from what I've seen of the political personalities of people in my zone of familiarity with it's possible but not likely. I think people see both Trump and Sanders as a disconnection with the traditional political dynasties which gives them some baseline popularity beyond the details of the issues.
flowerseverywhere
8-17-15, 12:44pm
From the time he announced I have thought his chances were good. People are sick of career politicians, PAC's, and liars. He may have some idiotic ideas but he is saying many things that I think people are in favor of.
Birthright citizenship has led to birth tourism or people illegally coming into the country to have a baby. I doubt that was the original intent and many people do not like it. Most countries do not allow it. You have to earn your way in.
Allowing non citizens to get in state college tuition, free medical care and free schooling is another controversy with law abiding taxpayers. In particular people who live near the southern borders or cities.
You our cannot hope that problems will go away by ignoring them. He is talking about things that need to be talked about.
As as for your dental question. It is kind of like having your cake and eating it too. Living, working for US wages and enjoying all the freedoms and opportunities the U.S. Has to offer and going elsewhere to take advantage of what they can offer you for a cheaper price. I don't think that is wrong, but may not be possible as our borders tighten up.
although it's entirely possible they're all angry, white, male, republicans in disguise.
Perhaps! :)
goldensmom
8-17-15, 1:17pm
I think Donald Trump has 0% chance of becoming president, 100% of running for president and 100% chance of making the next political 14 months entertaining and interesting. Remember polls are taken of 'likely' voters not those who are 'absolutely, I guarantee I will vote for this candidate' voters.
I just can't get past his blatant narcissism.
goldensmom
8-17-15, 1:26pm
I just can't get past his blatant narcissism.
The arrogance of both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are off-putting. Oh what to do, what to do.
gimmethesimplelife
8-17-15, 1:37pm
From the time he announced I have thought his chances were good. People are sick of career politicians, PAC's, and liars. He may have some idiotic ideas but he is saying many things that I think people are in favor of.
Birthright citizenship has led to birth tourism or people illegally coming into the country to have a baby. I doubt that was the original intent and many people do not like it. Most countries do not allow it. You have to earn your way in.
Allowing non citizens to get in state college tuition, free medical care and free schooling is another controversy with law abiding taxpayers. In particular people who live near the southern borders or cities.
You our cannot hope that problems will go away by ignoring them. He is talking about things that need to be talked about.
As as for your dental question. It is kind of like having your cake and eating it too. Living, working for US wages and enjoying all the freedoms and opportunities the U.S. Has to offer and going elsewhere to take advantage of what they can offer you for a cheaper price. I don't think that is wrong, but may not be possible as our borders tighten up.Hi Flowerseverywhere! No snarkiness intended here, just want to preface this question with this remark. About the dental thing not being possible with borders tightening up - do you see Mexico keeping Americans out, or do you see America not letting Americans out? I ask this as I read online that in the next few months, Mexico is going to start asking for passports for Americans and others entering by foot into the former ask no questions zone before the first immigration checkpoint around 12 miles into the country. I'm all for this, actually - I'm much more concerned with the potential of the US not letting us out paranoid as that sounds.
There have been instances of Border Patrol Agents demanding to see passports of US citizens very close to the turnstile where you walk into Mexico - while the US citizens were on US soil about to enter into a foreign country. I have major major major issues with this - though I can see where it might be done to stem felons fleeing crimes from entering into Mexico. Rob
PS Just to be clear in a non-snarky way, dental work is not possible for me without fleeing the country. It's just too expensive here on what I make and I have tried to make the math work before. I have no option but to flee the United States or abandon dental work permanently. It is that black and white and that brutally clear and real. And I'm not by any means the only American this holds true for. Prior to ObamaCare, this held true for most of my medical care, too, and this still holds true for many Americans who make under the amount to qualify for the healthcare marketplaces in the states where Medicaid was not expanded.
I'm not trying to lecture you or trash you or pick on you - I just believe that people need to know this is not melodrama. There is a class of Americans who realistically have no alternative but to flee America to have these needs met. I wish there was a way to give this class of Americans more of a face and a voice both domestically and internationally.
gimmethesimplelife
8-17-15, 1:38pm
I just can't get past his blatant narcissism.Agreed 100%. I feel very much the same way about him, Tammy. Somehow he comes across to me as even more out of touch with the struggles of everyday Americans than the other candidates overall. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
8-17-15, 1:40pm
The arrogance of both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are off-putting. Oh what to do, what to do.My take is that Hillary keeps hers in check better - at least verbally when she's on stage and doing her bit performing as a politician. With her I think it's her actions that are perceived as arrogant - with Trump it's more as soon as he opens his mouth. Rob
Scott Adams (of Dilbert) has some interesting observations on Trump's methods and chances:
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/126589300371/clown-genius
I think he'd be a horrible president. I was in a room once when The Donald called demanding to talk to the incredibly-skilled craftsman who I was talking to face-to-face. The way he treated that fellow over the phone was appalling.
gimmethesimplelife
8-17-15, 1:55pm
Scott Adams (of Dilbert) has some interesting observations on Trump's methods and chances:
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/126589300371/clown-genius
I think he'd be a horrible president. I was in a room once when The Donald called demanding to talk to the incredibly-skilled craftsman who I was talking to face-to-face. The way he treated that fellow over the phone was appalling.We agree on something, Bae. He does indeed come across to me in this way - arrogant and difficult to communicate with/work with. I also believe he'd be a horrible President and I have a hard time seeing BOTH sides of the aisle being able to work with him - even the conservatives would have issues with his methods as I see it. I still believe he has a chance, though, as he is putting issues on the table in a way that no one really else has to date and he's able to tap into the anger a lot of Americans have simmering right under the surface. Rob
flowerseverywhere
8-17-15, 2:29pm
I don't think you are being snarky. You have said over and over your position. I think everyone knows where you are coming from. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_household_income. Per this the median wage in Mexico is under $5000, while in the U.S. It is close to ten times that. Of course stuff is going to be cheaper. You take US dollars and go to Mexico, you will get charged less than in the U.S. Simple math. People making five thousand dollars a year, can they afford dental care? Do they get it free?
Scott Adams article was great. And I have no doubt that what Bae described in his Donald experience could get us in a heap of trouble on the international scene. But it does not matter what I think. What matters is how the average voter, who sees middle class jobs disappearing feels as they see factories being relocated to Mexico and other countries.
Through history some pretty crazy leaders have been elected by seemingly smart normal people.
I just can't get past his blatant narcissism.
This is what comes from spending too many years surrounded by salaried sycophants. You start thinking of every mental eructation as divine inspiration.
For the moment, he seems to be selling himself as some kind of anti-PC champion of forthrightness. There are many reasons to despise and combat political correctness, but he seems to be confusing anger and boorishness with strategy. It’s hard to see him lasting in the long game.
I think Donald Trump as President of the United States of America could definitely get us in big trouble internationally due to his arrogance. But I believe Hillary could as well... I like Bernie Sanders.
I've been blowing off Donald's candidacy as little more than a shameless promotion for himself or his brand or both. While it has certainly had that effect it was probably a mistake on my part to minimize his impact on the GOP stable. I have now officially vacillated from "there is no way he could ever win" to "God I hope he doesn't win". I do still think he will probably blow up when the field narrows and more the remaining candidates are under a more powerful microscope.
iris lilies
8-17-15, 7:00pm
Who will advise him, Mr. Egomaniac? Who will agree to go into that lions den at the national level?
The Donald is accustomed to buying the best talent he can buy to aid in his many business endeavors. He could have a full on revolt of competent advisors who refuse to work for him in government. He's already burned through his first campaign advisor, a competent long term politico, who suggested that he needs to be focusing on policy documents rather than fanning the flames of a ridiculous petty quarrel with Megan Kelley.
If trump wins and if he "hires" his cabinet like his usual past business practice - then we could see the day that big business actually runs this country and we have formally passed from democracy into oligarchy.
Scary. Our very own Berlusconi.
We'll be a laughingstock for sure.
goldensmom
8-18-15, 6:36am
My take is that Hillary keeps hers in check better - at least verbally when she's on stage and doing her bit performing as a politician. With her I think it's her actions that are perceived as arrogant - with Trump it's more as soon as he opens his mouth. Rob
I mostly agree, Rob. I don’t think anything can be done about Donald Trump’s arrogance, it’s part of his DNA. From my observations of the Clinton's from the get go, however, I think Hillary's arrogance is her true self but she can handle it better. At this point, she is running as “it’s a done deal/heir apparent/ already next president” and needs some competition in her own party to temper her arrogance. Barak Obama, did it for her in 2008.
IshbelRobertson
8-18-15, 8:37am
A very interesting article on Mr Trump by Selina Scott, a respected UK tv journo...
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/newsreview/features/article1593660.ece
He's already burned through his first campaign advisor, a competent long term politico, who suggested that he needs to be focusing on policy documents rather than fanning the flames of a ridiculous petty quarrel with Megan Kelley.
That was basically my take as well, but then I remembered he is putting himself out in front of an electorate who is currently watching season 19 (yes, NINETEEN!!!) of "The Bachelor". Drama sells, policy doesn't and Trump is nothing if not a great salesman. In other words, Chuck Todd only gets one vote, but a 30 Nielsen share could get someone elected.
If trump wins and if he "hires" his cabinet like his usual past business practice - then we could see the day that big business actually runs this country and we have formally passed from democracy into oligarchy.
I think the Commodore probably smiled at that one.
iris lilies
8-18-15, 11:20am
A very interesting article on Mr Trump by Selina Scott, a respected UK tv journo...
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/newsreview/features/article1593660.ece
apoarently I have to sign up with them to read the article.
IshbelRobertson
8-18-15, 11:27am
Sorry, perhaps it's only free to UK residents. I might see if it is available from one of the other newspapers as they all seemed to carry the story.
iris lilies
8-18-15, 12:27pm
Hi Flowerseverywhere! No snarkiness intended here, just want to preface this question with this remark. About the dental thing not being possible with borders tightening up - do you see Mexico keeping Americans out, or do you see America not letting Americans out? I ask this as I read online that in the next few months, Mexico is going to start asking for passports for Americans and others entering by foot into the former ask no questions zone before the first immigration checkpoint around 12 miles into the country. I'm all for this, actually - I'm much more concerned with the potential of the US not letting us out paranoid as that sounds.
There have been instances of Border Patrol Agents demanding to see passports of US citizens very close to the turnstile where you walk into Mexico - while the US citizens were on US soil about to enter into a foreign country. I have major major major issues with this - though I can see where it might be done to stem felons fleeing crimes from entering into Mexico. Rob
PS Just to be clear in a non-snarky way, dental work is not possible for me without fleeing the country. It's just too expensive here on what I make and I have tried to make the math work before. I have no option but to flee the United States or abandon dental work permanently. It is that black and white and that brutally clear and real. And I'm not by any means the only American this holds true for. Prior to ObamaCare, this held true for most of my medical care, too, and this still holds true for many Americans who make under the amount to qualify for the healthcare marketplaces in the states where Medicaid was not expanded.
I'm not trying to lecture you or trash you or pick on you - I just believe that people need to know this is not melodrama. There is a class of Americans who realistically have no alternative but to flee America to have these needs met. I wish there was a way to give this class of Americans more of a face and a voice both domestically and internationally.
Taking every opportunity to ping Rob (please take note, Jane) but to avoid much snarkiness that I could bring to this discussion, let me just address the bold portions:
The day this country refuses to let me out is the day I buy a gun and shoot my way out. I immediately envision those old westerns where the good guy backs out of the bar, shooting with both hands. So Rob, time to polish up your weaponry. kidding, kinda/sorta.
Now as bae has pointed out, the U.S. of A will let your corporeal self leave but will retain much of your assets. That is quite problematic. But I don't know the specifics, and maybe I don't have enough wealth to really have it impact me.
I do realize that several legal statuses will keep me from fleeing the country, and I understand and concur with that mechanism, that's not what I'm talking about here.
For the second bold point, I have no problem with Mexico controlling its borders of incoming people. Why shouldn't they? Who are you, Rob, to assume you have free access to all countries? Should we all be citizens of the world with all completely open borders everywhere?
gimmethesimplelife
8-18-15, 12:49pm
Taking every opportunity to ping Rob (please take note, Jane) but to avoid much snarkiness that I could bring to this discussion, let me just address the bold portions:
The day this country refuses to let me out is the day I buy a gun and shoot my way out. I immediately envision those old westerns where the good guy backs out of the bar, shooting with both hands. So Rob, time to polish up your weaponry. kidding, kinda/sorta.
Now as bae has pointed out, the U.S. of A will let your corporeal self leave but will retain much of your assets. That is quite problematic. But I don't know the specifics, and maybe I don't have enough wealth to really have it impact me.
I do realize that several legal statuses will keep me from fleeing the country, and I understand and concur with that mechanism, that's not what I'm talking about here.
For the second bold point, I have no problem with Mexico controlling its borders of incoming people. Why shouldn't they? Who are you, Rob, to assume you have free access to all countries? Should we all be citizens of the world with all completely open borders everywhere?I am on my way out the door and will respond in depth later but real quick here, I wanted to clarify something - I believe Mexico has EVERY right to control the flow of incoming people into Mexico - my issues are with US BORDER PATROL demanding to see a US passport before a US citizen steps into Mexico - this is just too creepy for me and reeks of overreach. I'm thinking that maybe I was not clear in my post and that I did not get across that my issues are with US Border Patrol demanding to see a US passport twenty feet away from where a US citizen would exit the US. How much further will the Border Patrol go next? (on the US side) Also, please read above where I state that I'm all for Mexico asking for passports of US citizens entering Mexico by foot, something new but well within their rights as a soveirgn (sp?) nation. I get that not all Americans entering Mexico are doing it for innocent reasons such as I do - I get this. Rob
iris lilies
8-18-15, 1:07pm
I am on my way out the door and will respond in depth later but real quick here, I wanted to clarify something - I believe Mexico has EVERY right to control the flow of incoming people into Mexico - my issues are with US BORDER PATROL demanding to see a US passport before a US citizen steps into Mexico - this is just too creepy for me and reeks of overreach. I'm thinking that maybe I was not clear in my post and that I did not get across that my issues are with US Border Patrol demanding to see a US passport twenty feet away from where a US citizen would exit the US. How much further will the Border Patrol go next? (on the US side) Also, please read above where I state that I'm all for Mexico asking for passports of US citizens entering Mexico by foot, something new but well within their rights as a soveirgn (sp?) nation. I get that not all Americans entering Mexico are doing it for innocent reasons such as I do - I get this. Rob
ok, I misread this, sorry!
I wouldn't apologize for traveling for medical purposes, ever. If it's practical and cost-effective to obtain care elsewhere, why wouldn't you? People do it all the time. In the bad old days of illegal abortion, women of means used to fly to Europe to get theirs (see Sherri Finkbine).
iris lilies
8-18-15, 1:42pm
I wouldn't apologize for traveling for medical purposes, ever. If it's practical and cost-effective to obtain care elsewhere, why wouldn't you? People do it all the time. In the bad old days of illegal abortion, women of means used to fly to Europe to get theirs (see Sherri Finkbine).
Is he actually apologizing? I would say its more along the lines of relentlessly and without surcease explaining his point of view as though he has opposition. We get it, we really do. No problema. Not one person here has ever suggested that Rob is should not "flee" to Mexico, although perhaps pointing out that as a rich American, it's nice to be able to have options that include taking advantage of low cost Mexican dentistry may be something he sees as opposition. Don't know, he sees a lot of opposition out there in the world.
He's actually doing quite well among all classifications of minorities, although it's entirely possible they're all angry, white, male, republicans in disguise.
I'd be curious to see the poll numbers supporting tHe campaign's assertions about minority support. Especially with his recently released immigration policy to follow up his earlier opinions about Mexican immigrants.
iris lilies
8-18-15, 2:17pm
I'd be curious to see the poll numbers supporting tHe campaign's assertions about minority support. Especially with his recently released immigration policy to follow up his earlier opinions about Mexican immigrants.
I would think that you can Google that yourself. If you expect to be provided with numbers that show a majority support by one demographic, that's not going to happen, is it? He's only got 22% total overall, and while that makes him the leader in the Republican field of candidates, it's not any significance in a minority group. But what's interesting are the claims that his popularity went up among Hispanics after his Thursday night debate, but perhaps that's because his popularity went up overall.
I am with you that it will be interesting to see how he polls with Hispanics on today's proclamations about changing the Constitution. See, here is my essential problem with The Donald: I agree with his ideas and don't really mind his expression of those ideas, but I do not trust that he's got the stick-to-it-ness to see this through. Donald, I do not think that a Constitutional amendment means what you think it means. I think that when you cannot bluster your way through a couple of meetings and shout at people around the table to change the Constitution to your ideal, you will stomp off and out of the White House as it being a hopeless job.
I do not trust that he puts this country before his own ego.
I do not trust that he puts this country before his own ego.
Its not as easy as it should be to find a politician that does.
Now as bae has pointed out, the U.S. of A will let your corporeal self leave but will retain much of your assets. That is quite problematic. But I don't know the specifics, and maybe I don't have enough wealth to really have it impact me.
I would likely be Canadian by now if it weren't for this penalty. I am reasonably comfortable enough in my current existence to make it not worthwhile to "shoot my way out" as you suggest, or take other more satisfying courses of action.
I have no problem at all though with what Rob is complaining about - checking for passports at the border for people moving in *either* direction. That is traditionally part of border control practice, and I imagine our Mexican neighbors are happy to have us filtering out Bad People trying to move in from the North. I live right on the border, in an area notorious for smuggling of goods and people, and the traffic has always been bidirectional.
I have lived about 5 miles from the Mexican border for 15 years. Inappropriate US bullying comes and goes depending on how "we" feel about Mexico in the moment and what politcos on the Mex side are trying to accomplish. For a while, the US was seriously overstepping its boundaries as far as citizens departing by auto. "You do realize you can't take more than $10,000 in cash into Mexico, right? You do know that Mexico doesn't allow guns over the border? "Where are you going in Mexico? Why? For how long? What are you bringing in? Do you speak Spanish?"
I would stress these were questions from American BP agents, about my potentially violating Mexican policy, not US policy, directed at me before I was allowed to leave the US. My answers weren't marked down anywhere. Had something actually happened to me "over there" this badgering would not have aided me one bit. They had no actual right to refuse me passage, but it was a five minute ordeal with agents staring in the car windows every time I left. Leaving on foot was always a non-issue, Mexican agents may stop you and ask to see a permit. Since you have to show your passport to get back into the US, I feel there's zero drama about having to show it on the way into Mexico. Doing you a favor, cuz if you forget it, US customs will make your life hell on the way back in.
This went on for a couple of years and then some political wheels turned and now there's no more interrogation until you come back in. On the Mex side it has gone from two Aduanas and two military checkpoints with machine guns in 136 miles, to one random aduana check at the border and the possibly more disconcerting random military stops. You really never know who's on the other side of that AK47. Looking stupid and helpless and muttering dreadful spanglish nonsense helps. The point, basically, is that this is fluid, and it's political, and yes, I do believe some of our border agents might take unofficial orders to stop people from leaving at some point in time, and then it will blow over again. Pick your battles.
Donald Trump ... I'm finding this surreal. I might actually have to consider the possibility of this blathering buffoon as president? Surely not ... right?
I would think that you can Google that yourself. If you expect to be provided with numbers that show a majority support by one demographic, that's not going to happen, is it? He's only got 22% total overall, and while that makes him the leader in the Republican field of candidates, it's not any significance in a minority group. But what's interesting are the claims that his popularity went up among Hispanics after his Thursday night debate, but perhaps that's because his popularity went up overall.
When I googled it all I could find was a DC gossip site that said that Trump did some polling that showed this, but with no details. Perhaps it was minority republicans (although how they found enough of those to make a statistically relevant sample size, I can't imagine.) or maybe it was just that he is doing slightly better than previous republican presidential candidates have done with minorities. It's impossible to know from what I could find what the actual story is, but I'd certainly take any unverified claim like this from the campaign itself with approximately a pound of salt.
I understand that Canada has called an election for October 2015, and that some are complaining that eleven weeks is too long.
iris lilies
8-18-15, 7:57pm
When I googled it all I could find was a DC gossip site that said that Trump did some polling that showed this, but with no details. Perhaps it was minority republicans (although how they found enough of those to make a statistically relevant sample size, I can't imagine.) or maybe it was just that he is doing slightly better than previous republican presidential candidates have done with minorities. It's impossible to know from what I could find what the actual story is, but I'd certainly take any unverified claim like this from the campaign itself with approximately a pound of salt.
If women are minorities in your sense, Trumps approval rating among minorities--women --has increased significantly from 2 in 10 in June to 6 in 10 in today's CNN poll.
But I can't find evidence of increasing popularity among Hispanics, which was the number I was chasing. I did find that source (prob the same one you mentioned) that reported a poll taken by one of the leading Republicans in Florida showed Trump more popular among Hispanics than their guy, but that was a poll taken before the Fox televised debates. I would pay some attention to,this only because it's good news from the enemy camp and as such has credibility.
flowerseverywhere
8-18-15, 8:34pm
I wouldn't apologize for traveling for medical purposes, ever. If it's practical and cost-effective to obtain care elsewhere, why wouldn't you? People do it all the time. In the bad old days of illegal abortion, women of means used to fly to Europe to get theirs (see Sherri Finkbine).
nobody apologized
nobody said it was wrong.
I just want to know if Mexicans can afford to see a dentist. The areas I have been to in Mexico have been quite impoverished.
If if you look into dental tourism it is common in many European countries too.
But it back to the original question, Trumps plan involves fees and tariffs,,and it would not surprise me to see the Mexican government do the same. Put fees on Americans travelling to Mexico, just like we pay airline fees and hotel taxes now. And if the border tightens up, traffic in and out of Mexico will be far more scrutinized to be sure. Part of the price you pay to leave this country, like when you fly and you have to take your shoes off, get x-rayed, possibly patted down and your bag searched. Thirty years ago people would not have believed you if you described TSA security today as they sat in the "smoking section" of the plane.
I understand that Canada has called an election for October 2015, and that some are complaining that eleven weeks is too long.
You are right about this and the media has made much and complained about the current administration because they made this perfectly legal choice. Compared the scene in the US, Canada is really quiet but the biased media try to make it into something else.
But then the media made it sound as though every city mayor was like Rob Ford as well.
My question on the thread is this - how much of the political 'nonsense' going on right now is just the media trying to fill space and how much is what people really think?
:devil:Would Trump ask Kim Kardashian to be VP?:laff:
My question on the thread is this - how much of the political 'nonsense' going on right now is just the media trying to fill space and how much is what people really think?
I think it's mostly manufactured theater.
flowerseverywhere
8-19-15, 1:51pm
I think it's mostly manufactured theater.
yes, but you are a thinker and are not normal(in a good way).
I hear people that think he is a breath of fresh air, like his no political correctness and think he will get things done. There is a huge anti immigrant wave in this country. TV celebrities do know how to work the stage.
ApatheticNoMore
8-19-15, 2:07pm
My question on the thread is this - how much of the political 'nonsense' going on right now is just the media trying to fill space and how much is what people really think?
one wonders (and I don't have this information) what is the percentage of media time (let's say big media networks) that is spent covering Trump versus covering oh say Bernie Sanders ... (never even mind whether it's positive or negative coverage, just raw coverage time). It might be instructive, as to answering the question of "who drives this anyway?"
There is a huge anti immigrant wave in this country.
This is the typical response in this country to periods of economic troubles or social change. Find an "other", point fingers, and "kill the pig".
The usual nativist distraction. Beware those trying to sell it.
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/immigration/american-patriot.jpg
http://websupport1.citytech.cuny.edu/Faculty/pcatapano/US1/US1images/nativistposter1845.jpg
http://www.hmdb.org/Photos/91/Photo91153.jpg
http://hti.osu.edu/sites/hti.osu.edu/files/RedScare_50.jpg
You are right about this and the media has made much and complained about the current administration because they made this perfectly legal choice. Compared the scene in the US, Canada is really quiet but the biased media try to make it into something else.
But then the media made it sound as though every city mayor was like Rob Ford as well.
My question on the thread is this - how much of the political 'nonsense' going on right now is just the media trying to fill space and how much is what people really think?
I don't know. But when a candidate demonstrates his ability to protect Canada from giant killer robots and dragons by shooting laser beams from his eyes, I think the media has a responsibility to report that.
I don't know. But when a candidate demonstrates his ability to protect Canada from giant killer robots and dragons by shooting laser beams from his eyes, I think the media has a responsibility to report that.
:D
The arrogance of both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are off-putting. Oh what to do, what to do.
I've never seen Hillary Clinton as arrogant--no more than any other smart, accomplished women who doesn't simper and do the typical shuck and jive expected of historically oppressed people who manage to escape their various ghettos. She's not like her husband, who is never more comfortable than when pressing the flesh--she clearly isn't. She's probably an introvert who will never be glib or relaxed in a crowd; she'll never be an electrifying speaker. As she's often said, she's a policy wonk, and we could do a lot worse than electing one of those. I'll certainly vote for her if she's the Democratic nominee.
No matter what Trump says he can get done..........won't he have congress to deal with? We've seen the gridlock that congress can cause..........so does it even matter what any presidential candidate says he'll do?
iris lilies
8-20-15, 4:30pm
No matter what Trump says he can get done..........won't he have congress to deal with? We've seen the gridlock that congress can cause..........so does it even matter what any presidential candidate says he'll do?
I often have that same thought.
I often have that same thought.
Me too. I'm grateful that president's aren't kings.
goldensmom
8-20-15, 5:15pm
I've never seen Hillary Clinton as arrogant--
I can accept that, opinions differ.
no more than any other smart, accomplished women who doesn't simper and do the typical shuck and jive expected of historically oppressed people who manage to escape their various ghettos.
I don't get that part.
ApatheticNoMore
8-20-15, 5:18pm
If my cattle futures had done better, I too would have been able to escape my ghetto ...
Haha. I think I escaped by several means. I've never been mainstream, and that helped.
It's my observation that the idealized woman smiles and serves endlessly. Women who don't, pay a price and are usually judged harshly. JMO.
iris lilies
8-20-15, 8:47pm
If my cattle futures had done better, I too would have been able to escape my ghetto ...
:D
No matter what Trump says he can get done..........won't he have congress to deal with? We've seen the gridlock that congress can cause..........so does it even matter what any presidential candidate says he'll do?
In lots of ways you're right. One area, though, where who the president is does matter is in supreme court (and lower court) nominees.
And does anyone truly believe that the response to 9/11 would've been the same if Gore had been the one appointed president by the supreme court?
So, yeah, oftentimes it probably doesn't much matter who is president because they have to work with congress, but every once in a while it really matters a lot. Like, more US soldiers died in Iraq a country not involved in 9/11, than people died on 9/11, a lot.
flowerseverywhere
8-21-15, 6:04am
Trump is leading in the polls in Florida, the state third in Hispanic population(California and Texas are higher). We also have two candidates, Bush and Rubio in the mix.
Of of interst though is the percent of voter turnout in the presidential election.
http://www.electproject.org/2012g
i haven't found statistics about percent of Hispanics who vote though.
if I were to believe the media and popular modern folklore, I would have said turnout was abysmal. However it is in the 60 percent range in most areas. There are a certain amount of people who don't care. A certain amount will have extenuating circumstances and so on.
If my cattle futures had done better, I too would have been able to escape my ghetto ...
Remember when she was "dead broke" after all those years of selfless service? "We had no money when we got there, and we struggled to piece together the resources for mortgages for houses, for Chelsea's education. "
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/trump-a-lot-of-gang-members-in-ferguson-baltimore-chicago-ar#.ile5lGxD28
More minority outreach from Trump. I gotta admit, though, that for someone like Trump, who doesn't believe that the 14th amendment says what it pretty clearly does say, this actually is a logical next step in the thought process.
Yossarian
8-22-15, 12:33pm
There have been instances of Border Patrol Agents demanding to see passports of US citizens very close to the turnstile where you walk into Mexico - while the US citizens were on US soil about to enter into a foreign country. I have major major major issues with this - though I can see where it might be done to stem felons fleeing crimes from entering into Mexico.
Just FYI
8 U.S.C. 1185
(b) Citizens
Except as otherwise provided by the President and subject to such limitations and exceptions as the President may authorize and prescribe, it shall be unlawful for any citizen of the United States to depart from or enter, or attempt to depart from or enter, the United States unless he bears a valid United States passport. [emphasis mine]
So ... if I'm a citizen of France, I can walk out of the US by saying so. Just curious, how do you ascertain if someone is a US citizen if you don't ask to see their passport?
I get it, what the law implies is that everyone needs to show a passport in order to leave. That seems decidedly ... inappropriate for the home of the free.
gimmethesimplelife
8-22-15, 2:45pm
Just FYI
8 U.S.C. 1185
(b) Citizens
Except as otherwise provided by the President and subject to such limitations and exceptions as the President may authorize and prescribe, it shall be unlawful for any citizen of the United States to depart from or enter, or attempt to depart from or enter, the United States unless he bears a valid United States passport. [emphasis mine]
Yossarian, long time no see. Good to see you here. I don't have a problem with needing a passport to leave the US - any foreign country is going to require my showing one before I can enter - the only exception I can think of to this is at the Mexican border for land crossing by foot where amazingly at most ports you go through a turnstile and no one asks any questions until you reach immigration checkpoints several km further into the country - which is slowly being phased out by the Mexican government now btw, and at the Yisidro/Tijuana crossing, effective this past Wednesday afternoon, non-citizen pedestrians entering Mexico via this port have to show passports from now on. So this one exception is slowly going away, too.
But to answer your question - I don't have a problem with a foreign country requiring me to have a passport - I have a problem with being forced to show it to depart the US while on US soil - this doesn't work for me and smacks of over reach and really should be successfully sued into oblivion via several multi-million dollar lawsuits Will this happen? I rather doubt it - but it should in my book. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
8-22-15, 2:47pm
So ... if I'm a citizen of France, I can walk out of the US by saying so. Just curious, how do you ascertain if someone is a US citizen if you don't ask to see their passport?
I get it, what the law implies is that everyone needs to show a passport in order to leave. That seems decidedly ... inappropriate for the home of the free.Agreed 100%. Rob
So ... if I'm a citizen of France, I can walk out of the US by saying so. Just curious, how do you ascertain if someone is a US citizen if you don't ask to see their passport?
I get it, what the law implies is that everyone needs to show a passport in order to leave. That seems decidedly ... inappropriate for the home of the free.
I had to renew my passport last year so the new version still makes me look like a real homebody. Aka, not many filled pages to compare. Even so, the few snowbird destinations stamped in the new one were all stamped upon entry AND exit from the foreign nations. And I believe they all charged an "exit fee" that needed to be paid in cash. None of those destinations were communist regimes or dictatorships. I do understand the desire for unrestricted freedom of movement (at least when leaving your own country), but in today's world it seems like presenting ID when you change locals is a pretty standard global practice. I'm almost surprised the BP doesn't hit us up for $20 every time we go through the exit line.
flowerseverywhere
8-24-15, 2:37pm
Yossarian, long time no see. Good to see you here. I don't have a problem with needing a passport to leave the US - any foreign country is going to require my showing one before I can enter - the only exception I can think of to this is at the Mexican border for land crossing by foot where amazingly at most ports you go through a turnstile and no one asks any questions until you reach immigration checkpoints several km further into the country - which is slowly being phased out by the Mexican government now btw, and at the Yisidro/Tijuana crossing, effective this past Wednesday afternoon, non-citizen pedestrians entering Mexico via this port have to show passports from now on. So this one exception is slowly going away, too.
But to answer your question - I don't have a problem with a foreign country requiring me to have a passport - I have a problem with being forced to show it to depart the US while on US soil - this doesn't work for me and smacks of over reach and really should be successfully sued into oblivion via several multi-million dollar lawsuits Will this happen? I rather doubt it - but it should in my book. Rob
Can you explain the basis for a lawsuit and why it would result in multi million dollar awards? You lost me.
I still don't think that Trump can be the nominee, or at least it is very unlikely. Even the drunkest people sober up at some point (some are still not much better after sobering up, though).
I find it interesting that I have read a lot more recently, say in the past week, that some professional pundits and politicos are accepting the possibility that Trump can win the nomination, and even the presidency. I don't buy it. But it is fun to watch.
Williamsmith
8-25-15, 9:31pm
My first impression of Trump is that he is an entertaining blowhard. The fact that he is a successful capitalist does not strictly qualify him for President. What disturbs me most is his closed mindedness which I find a negative trait in a leader. I think Trump is a media construct for the purpose of selling advertising. One thing about Trump I like....he doesn't drink, do drugs or smoke.
When we get closer to the general election, he will fade away but right now everybody else is content to let him stick his own foot in his mouth every time he gets a chance. In any event, the Republican Party may have even enlisted Trump to carry on this way in order to make their other candidates look more appealing to those Dems who might be tempted across party lines because Hillary is such a poor nominee.
Some discussion will turn to Biden soon. Especially if Warren gets mentioned as VP. I might go for that ticket even though I'm an Indy.
I have some conservative Facebook friends, and they're always posting conservative-value articles and posts, and one of them posted an article about Donald Trump and how he's going to throw political correctness out the window and bring Christmas back. He says he goes out of his way to say Merry Christmas to people, and that when he's in the White House, all this kowtowing to other religions is going to stop. My friend posted that article and she added "We have to take our nation back." He is pandering to a certain segment's fears, but emotion sells as everyone knows. No one likes a bully, unless he's on your side.
I wish he just wasn't so obnoxious. He's a bully. Some of his ideas are good ideas, but it's hard to get past his narcissism. Sometimes I wonder if this is all an act..........to get the Republicans to lose the election. I wonder if he maintains his high numbers, if he'll go independent towards the end. I just keep having the feeling that things are not as they seem..........
Continuing to woo the minority voters:
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/26/donald-trump-holds-firm-saying-jorge-ramos-was-out-of-line/ The article doesn't mention it but the clip on Good Morning America shows someone (who the Trump campaign claims is not associated with it) having this conversation with Ramos once they got outside the room where the briefing was:
Supposedly non-Trump person: Go back to your country
Ramos: I'm an American citizen
Supposedly non-Trump person: Whatever
As catherine points out, he definitely appeals to a certain segment of republican voters. Thankfully that isn't enough people to get him elected.
I asked my husband, if the "only" two candidates for president were Donald Trump (R) and Bernie Sanders (D), who do you think would win. He said Bernie. What say you?
I'm enthusiastic about Bernie; an ugly xenophobic, misogynistic, capitalistic blowhard, not so much. This summer diversion has gone on far too long.
ETA: And did I mention incredibly rude vulgarian? He must have been raised by wolves.
I'm a cynic but my sense is that this is some sort of diversion for the masses while the real politicos work behind the scenes to ready the candidate they have already selected to be the next president. If I'm being really cynical, I will think that Trump is in on it too.
ApatheticNoMore
8-26-15, 11:44am
one of them posted an article about Donald Trump and how he's going to throw political correctness out the window and bring Christmas back. He says he goes out of his way to say Merry Christmas to people, and that when he's in the White House, all this kowtowing to other religions is going to stop.
One gets the feeling he got religion the day he decided to campaign and not a day sooner.
I asked my husband, if the "only" two candidates for president were Donald Trump (R) and Bernie Sanders (D), who do you think would win. He said Bernie. What say you?
I think so, as I could see people who don't even like Bernie's platform voting for him over an out of control, irrational, impulsive Trump (hold your nose and vote lesser of two evils and all that).
I'm a cynic but my sense is that this is some sort of diversion for the masses
maybe they thought dynasty Clinton versus dynasty Bush was so boring that it would get 10% voter turnout out of a overwhelming fatal boredom so intense it paralyzes even bothering to do anything. Maybe the country would fall into a malaise (ht carter) so deep they would be too bored to even shop anymore. Sit there thinking of going to work and think: whatever, earning money versus homeless, what does it even matter .... a Bush and a Clinton are still running for President ...
I think so, as I could see people who don't even like Bernie's platform voting for him over an out of control, irrational, impulsive Trump (hold your nose and vote lesser of two evils and all that).
If the contest came down to Bernie vs Trump, I'd go with Bernie, even though I'm further right than Attilla the Hun. In truth though, I'd vote for a sane 3rd-party candidate closer to my own views, as I usually do.
Though there's another argument to be made that if the contest is between two terrible evils, the correct moral solution is to withdraw and not participate at all, refusing to lend legitimacy to the laughable proceedings by your vote.
Though there's another argument to be made that if the contest is between two terrible evils, the correct moral solution is to withdraw and not participate at all, refusing to lend legitimacy to the laughable proceedings by your vote.
I’m a marginal return sort of guy. I look at my vote as moving the needle however slightly in the right direction by voting for the least objectionable candidate who has a reasonable chance of success. Holding myself aloof from the fray because no candidate meets my exacting moral or ideological standards seems like a bigger waste of a vote than whatever small influence I can exert. Democracy is ill-served by solipsism. It requires calculating cynicism to get the best results.
In the (hopefully) unlikely event of a Trump/Sanders contest, I will hold my nose and choose one in the hope that our fraying system of constitutional checks and balances will protect against the worst excesses. In fact, a strong decision point for me will be figuring which one is most likely to regard the Constitution as an obstacle to their agenda.
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Though there's another argument to be made that if the contest is between two terrible evils, the correct moral solution is to withdraw and not participate at all, refusing to lend legitimacy to the laughable proceedings by your vote.
Women struggled for generations to get the vote, and I'm not giving up mine in a fit of pique. The Supreme Court, if nothing else, is at stake here. I will do what I can to keep it from falling completely into the hands of an unholy alliance of frank theocrats and raptor capitalists.
What the hell ever happened to Eisenhower Republicans? Ike must be gyrating in his crypt.
Williamsmith
8-26-15, 3:13pm
The electorate might choose Trump just for the reality show entertainment value. His wife is way easier to look at so Trump gets my vote. Talk about a negotiating edge. Putin would be busy ogling the First Lady while Trump would be moving spies into his back yard.
What the hell ever happened to Eisenhower Republicans? Ike must be gyrating in his crypt.
They became Conservatives. The real question is, whatever happened to Kennedy Democrats? (Answer: They became Republicans as the Socialists took over the Democrat Party.)
The Supreme Court, if nothing else, is at stake here. I will do what I can to keep it from falling completely into the hands of an unholy alliance of frank theocrats and raptor capitalists.
You're right about the importance of future nominations to the Supreme Court, especially since the current one seems extremely wishy/washy on the whole concept of ensuring Constitutional principles are upheld by our politicians. Let's hope our next President has the courage to appoint people less interested in being popular with the cool kids.
And Trump could gain points among the knuckle-dragging class by shouting "Sit down! Sit down you doody-head!" at Angela Merkel if she dares to express an opinion in his presence. And then he could riff on menopausal women.
He "loves" women as long as they are decorative and submissive. The theocratic branch of the party "loves" them if they are fecund and submissive. If I were prone to headaches, this election cycle would give me one.
And Trump could gain points among the knuckle-dragging class by shouting "Sit down! Sit down you doody-head!"
Well, to be fair, President Obama had first dibs on "Listen, you're in my house!!" (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/06/obama-shuts-down-heckler-youre-my-house) . Precedents ya know..
I hadn't seen that before, but he showed more restraint than he might have. And he didn't figuratively chase her around for weeks afterwards impugning her credentials.
I hadn't seen that before, but he showed more restraint than he might have. And he didn't figuratively chase her around for weeks afterwards impugning her credentials.I should hope not. I believe Trump is on record calling Merkel the greatest leader in the world (if that's the contrast you're suggesting).
I should hope not. I believe Trump is on record calling Merkel the greatest leader in the world (if that's the contrast you're suggesting).
Yeah--until she crosses him. Then she's a doody-head, if he's being charitable.
Women struggled for generations to get the vote, and I'm not giving up mine in a fit of pique. The Supreme Court, if nothing else, is at stake here. I will do what I can to keep it from falling completely into the hands of an unholy alliance of frank theocrats and raptor capitalists.
What the hell ever happened to Eisenhower Republicans? Ike must be gyrating in his crypt.
This is pretty much my view as well. In fact, unless the Republican party starts making a fast track back in the direction of Eisenhower, I'm at the point where I'll probably never vote for another one of them again, even though I'm not a Democrat and have voted for some Republican candidates in the past.
Did I say raised by wolves? I meant hyenas...
Women struggled for generations to get the vote, and I'm not giving up mine in a fit of pique.
I was suggesting a more measured, intellectual, moral approach, not one born of anger and disgust :-)
What the hell ever happened to Eisenhower Republicans? Ike must be gyrating in his crypt.
I wore my "I Like Ike" button to the last Republican convention. I got some very irritated looks, but made some people smile too. My experiences during the last election cycle convinced me the Republican Party is lost for years to come, if not forever.
They became Conservatives. The real question is, whatever happened to Kennedy Democrats? (Answer: They became Republicans as the Socialists took over the Democrat Party.
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Democrat is a noun, FWIW.
I feel as if both parties have been hurtling to the right for years. Bill Clinton was as corporate a Democrat as they come. As the oligarchs take over, it only gets worse. Money is a form of power, and it corrupts absolutely.
Democrat is a noun, FWIW.
Yes, we've had this discussion before. We knuckle draggers get a kick out of it. >8)
Yes, we've had this discussion before. We knuckle draggers get a kick out of it. >8)
Ha! My bad for taking the bait. Drag on...:~)
Too bad Trump isn't a little younger. Let's assume for a moment that he doesn't win the nomination, and it goes to an establishment candidate. And Trump decides against a quixotic third party run.
And then Hillary or I-can't-believe-I'm-saying-this Joe Biden wins. The anti-establishment, pro-Trump base will go bonkers. Another "moderate" candidate loses! Oh man, the aftermath will be fun.
Side note: If Trump proposes a "wealth tax" on individuals with over say $5 or $10 million of net worth, with the proceeds directed towards debt payment, similar to what he did in 2000.......That would take balls. Balls of steel. It wouldn't make up for the truly awful behavior he has exhibited against immigrants, but it would be an impressive, ballsy move.
Williamsmith
8-27-15, 6:00am
You can impose a wealth tax on individuals if you want but all the money they collected would be right back in the same individuals hands faster than you can say "Slick Willy." Another reason why it don't matter what clown or clowness runs for President. We are on a runaway freight train. You can't jump off. All you can do is look for some good entertainment and try to find a nice peaceful corner to become anonymous in. Trump is like the rich kid in the neighborhood that everyone likes to avoid but unfortunately he has the only baseball. So we stop at his house on Saturday morning on the way to the field. After the game, everybody runs.
Did I say raised by wolves? I meant hyenas...
That sounds like something Trump would say.
I was suggesting a more measured, intellectual, moral approach, not one born of anger and disgust :-) ...
I've done that--I voted for independent candidates for years: Shirley Chisholm, Eugene McCarthy. The first winner I ever voted for was Bill Clinton.
This is too good not to share. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/08/27/trump-the-bible-means-a-lot-to-me-but-i-dont-want-to-get-into-specifics/) The tweets at the end, that is.
I doubt if Donald "the Bible means a lot to me" Trump knows how many gospels there are.
I don't know how anyone in their right mind who would consider Trump as the next POTUS. That loud mouth hypocrite has no idea about "real life".
rodeosweetheart
9-2-15, 6:57pm
I was driving through Indiana a couple of weeks ago and the radio had a religious program that covered the news and they were discussing Trump. They played long excerpts from an interview where he said he was a Presbyterian, and he described taking communion in a sacramental way.
So probably pretty clear on the number of Gospels.
Teacher Terry
9-3-15, 12:45pm
I am shocked that he is ahead for now but I think he will just fade away when people start to realize that he has a lot of hype but little substance in what he says.
I guess his charming schoolyard belligerence is considered a plus among his supporters: "I know you are, but what am I? And your mother dresses you funny!"
I was driving through Indiana a couple of weeks ago and the radio had a religious program that covered the news and they were discussing Trump. They played long excerpts from an interview where he said he was a Presbyterian, and he described taking communion in a sacramental way.
So probably pretty clear on the number of Gospels.
Yes, that was a bit of rhetorical excess on my part that was probably uncalled for. Trump is clearly not a stupid or ignorant man, which makes his antics all the more puzzling to me. You have to wonder if he believes half the things he says. Yet, if he doesn't, he's guilty of bad faith, a worse sin in my book than being either stupid or ignorant. It's a mystery. Maybe he really is a Democratic mole sent in to eff up the Republican nominating process.
IshbelRobertson
9-10-15, 1:42pm
Even Africa is reporting The Donald's activities in Scotland.
What a muppet....
http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/scotland-5-donald-trump-0-what-price-america/
iris lilies
9-10-15, 2:16pm
Even Africa is reporting The Donald's activities in Scotland.
What a muppet....
http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/scotland-5-donald-trump-0-what-price-america/
the media falls allowed themselves to cover him because dear god, they might miss a zinger or an insult. It's now a special badge of honor to have been insulted by The Donald.
Like John Nolte said, a trump is a dog who uses the media like his chew toy.
After the second debate, and some of the things he's said since............give me much more concern about him being so popular.
I think he's most popular with people who aren't so bright and who like to deal with problems with much anger and force. (and maybe gullible people who believe his ridiculous claims).
Trump has such a knee-jerk reaction to everything. Then he totally turns it around, saying he didn't mean that at all. In the second debate when he looked at Fiorina and said "I think you have a beautiful face and you are a beautiful woman"........I thought she looked like she was going to throw up. lol!
Like I've said before, it seems like people tend to vote for someone most like themselves, without a lot of thought about the person's positions on the issues. Trump is attracting a lot of people like himself (as far as anger/hostility, etc.).......and there are a lot of them.......so it's a little scary.
the media falls allowed themselves to cover him because dear god, they might miss a zinger or an insult. It's now a special badge of honor to have been insulted by The Donald.
Like John Nolte said, a trump is a dog who uses the media like his chew toy.
It's not like he's Winston Churchill, tossing out bon mots. I keep hoping he'll get bored and go on to other things.
ApatheticNoMore
9-21-15, 5:20pm
In the second debate when he looked at Fiorina and said "I think you have a beautiful face and you are a beautiful woman"........I thought she looked like she was going to throw up.
and how quick was she with the response, boy if I had time to think I would have said: "and I think the same of you, a beautiful face and a beautiful man"
LOL! He's so full of it. When someone recently asked him about Muslims, he said (paraphrased) "I know lots of Muslims and they are fabulous people". He says that all the time about anyone, after he insults them.
He never wants to give details about how he's going to do anything. He just says "We're working on that." What a strange little man.
He definitely appeals to a certain segment of the population. Thankfully I don't think it's a big enough segment to win the general election, and I don't see him making any effort to win over anyone other than that segment so i'm not too concerned at this point about the possibility of a Trump presidency. It may be a big enough segment, however, to give the mainstream republican party leaders a lot of indigestion leading up to their convention next summer depending on how much longer his campaign continues.
iris lilies
9-21-15, 9:21pm
It's not like he's Winston Churchill, tossing out bon mots. I keep hoping he'll get bored and go on to other things.
As much as I hate to admit it, I suspect he will get bored, too. I just don't want that to happen if he inhabits the
White House.
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