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I see Joe Biden says he will not be seeking the Democratic Party nomination. So, short of a Draft Warren movement, they would seem to be left to choose between Hillary the Inevitable or the "Democratic Socialist." Assuming most Democrats would not be interested in a repeat of McGovern '72, and assuming no indictments for gross negligence in handling classified information get handed down, I would expect a lot of noses to be held and a Clinton nomination.
Of course, if the GOP (or at least certain elements thereof) persist in their search for an even worse candidate, we could be in for a very interesting (in a car wreck sort of way) election.
I'm going to light a candle for Marco Rubio.
Williamsmith
10-21-15, 5:12pm
If the choice ends up Clinton vs Bush........the earths axis may be thrown off a degree as the rest of the entire world laughs its ass off.
Ultralight
10-21-15, 5:23pm
I feel better and better about not voting all the time.
ApatheticNoMore
10-21-15, 5:34pm
Was he ever in? And can you be out if you've never been in? What is the sound of one hand clapping ...
iris lilies
10-21-15, 5:46pm
I feel better and better about not voting all the time.
I do not understand failing to go the polls. I just can't grok that kind of indifference to our responsibility to vote. I say, go to the polls and turn in an empty ballot t if none of the choices make you happy. Otherwise, it looks like sheer laziness.
At every Presidential election are a host of other offices and issues on the ballot. In fact, so many issues are purposely placed on the ballot to attract the weak minded who normally don't bother to vote unless they can vote in Obama or Hil, in my area anyway.
They will have to pry my ballot from my cold, dead hands. We always votes in every election, no exceptions, for 25 years.
Many years ago I was forced to marked a ballot Democratic in all offices, as I helped my elderly mother with light dementia complete her absentee ballot. That was very painful for me, marking all of those Democratic boxes. shudder. Fortunately or not, the next time the Presidential election rolled around she was too far gone in the head to cast a ballot.
iris lilies
10-21-15, 5:47pm
Who is he?
oh come now, he is the Vice President of the United States and on all accounts a jovial, kind, and likable man.
I view voting as a civic duty, not to mention many of us would be forbidden to vote if it hadn't been for those who fought diligently for that right not too many years ago. Voter apathy is probably one of the largest threats to democracy in the U.S.
iris lilies
10-21-15, 5:55pm
I view voting as a civic duty, not to mention many of us would be forbidden to vote if it hadn't been for those who fought diligently for that right not too many years ago. Voter apathy is probably one of the largest threats to democracy in the U.S.
aint that the truth. And if you don't like the choices presented on the ballot and do not wish to endorse any of them, so be it. Show up, cast a blank ballot.
Several months ago, in one or another thread here, I predicted that Clinton would not be the nominee as I really thought Biden would jump in and take it away from her. I think I also predicted that the Republican nominee would be a Governor, which is looking less and less likely. Just goes to show that prognosticating is hard.
I did think it was interesting that his announcement took place in the Rose Garden with the President standing by his side. It would have been the perfect opportunity for the titular heads of the Democratic Party to throw their support behind whomever they choose to support, but no, not a clue. I suspect they hate Clinton and know that a self-proclaimed Socialist has no chance in a general election, so their lack of support for their party is a sign they're prepared to lose the General. But what do I know?
Democrats managed to not derail Obama, although I believe his organization did more to elect him than the powers of the Democratic party. I think Bernie could be elected if he could get it as organized as Pres. Obama did. The powers that be don't seem to mind losing.
Williamsmith
10-21-15, 6:06pm
With all due respect to all patriotic voters..........in a Presidential election whereby one has two choices and one gets the same result whether one takes door number 1 or door number 2.......I can understand why one would protest and withhold their sacred vote. It could be argued and convincingly that your vote is merely symbolic. I have voted in every election I have been old enough to vote in.......but this one I don't know, I think I'll just stay home and learn to knit a sweater.
ApatheticNoMore
10-21-15, 6:28pm
You could go to the polls and mark a blank or 3rd party for President as a form of protest. But that's assuming the vote is counted at all, and the electronic voting machines don't throw your vote toward whoever they want. Around here it's not electronic voting (only counting) so I'd feel a bit more confident.
Ohio is fairly dubious historically, it's not a state I would feel very confident my vote was counted:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/07/politics/campaign/voting-problems-in-ohio-set-off-an-alarm.html
http://www.examiner.com/article/anonymous-claims-to-have-blocked-gop-election-theft-with-ohio-firewall
But maybe not as bad as Kansas where a math professor is contesting the vote:
http://cjonline.com/news/2015-04-01/wichita-state-mathematician-sues-kris-kobach-sedgwick-county-elections-commisioner
Vote down ticket? Yea, if you think your vote is being counted.
As for why someone fought for the vote once, I don't know, that's really the Genetic fallacy. Why specifically did they want the vote? I suspect labor issues in many cases but I'm not an expert in that. And does the vote today still mean whatever it did then?
"The genetic fallacy is a fallacy of irrelevance where a conclusion is suggested based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context. This overlooks any difference to be found in the present situation, typically transferring the positive or negative esteem from the earlier context" wikiped
I feel better and better about not voting all the time.Ooohhh, that means mine counts double. Thanks neighbor!
iris lilies
10-21-15, 7:06pm
Several months ago, in one or another thread here, I predicted that Clinton would not be the nominee as I really thought Biden would jump in and take it away from her...
Alan, please. This is her time. It's her right.
try not to be so anti-woman.
:laff:
Alan, please. This is her time. It's her right.
try not to be so anti-woman.
:laff:
Tell that to our President, he's the only person to ever actually deny her her due.
Williamsmith
10-21-15, 7:58pm
Well, I personally am hoping this weeks senate hearing give Hillary everything she is due.
With all due respect to all patriotic voters..........in a Presidential election whereby one has two choices and one gets the same result whether one takes door number 1 or door number 2.......I can understand why one would protest and withhold their sacred vote. It could be argued and convincingly that your vote is merely symbolic. I have voted in every election I have been old enough to vote in.......but this one I don't know, I think I'll just stay home and learn to knit a sweater. Yep, we have both kinds, Country AND Western!:cool:
I won't stay home, but I may do Bernie as a write in. Also making Alan's vote count double, but with a louder message, I think.
And I agree with Bae - Joe who? My next door neighbor is also a jovial, kind and likeable man. I don't know his name either, but he appears to have about as much governmental presence as Mr. Biden.
rodeosweetheart
10-22-15, 8:15am
Why ISN"T there a draft Warren thing happening? She is a far more attractive candidate than Hilary.
Who is he?
He's the guy who told us about how President Roosevelt went on television after the 1929 stock market crash to calm the nation's fears.
Williamsmith
10-22-15, 6:16pm
Yep, we have both kinds, Country AND Western!:cool:
I won't stay home, but I may do Bernie as a write in. Also making Alan's vote count double, but with a louder message, I think.
And I agree with Bae - Joe who? My next door neighbor is also a jovial, kind and likeable man. I don't know his name either, but he appears to have about as much governmental presence as Mr. Biden.
I suspect Ultraliteangler will know the author of this statement as a quite controversial figure of the turn of the century.....
“If voting actually changed anything, they would make it illegal.”
Joe may have given us the clearest hint as to who the Democrat Overlords have chosen. Clinton will be President.
So far, I'm impressed by Clinton's sangfroid. And the Republicans' single-mindedness of purpose.
I will still vote for Bernie, but Clinton's my backup. I don't know why either of them is volunteering to step into that nest of vipers, but I salute them for trying.
I was kind of expecting the party to get Biden in there to offset Sanders. I'm surprised.
I was kind of expecting the party to get Biden in there to offset Sanders. I'm surprised.
He'd probably end up taking more votes from Hillary than Bernie.
freshstart
10-22-15, 11:07pm
Was he ever in? And can you be out if you've never been in? What is the sound of one hand clapping ...
+1
freshstart
10-22-15, 11:23pm
I do not understand failing to go the polls. I just can't grok that kind of indifference to our responsibility to vote. I say, go to the polls and turn in an empty ballot t if none of the choices make you happy. Otherwise, it looks like sheer laziness.
At every Presidential election are a host of other offices and issues on the ballot. In fact, so many issues are purposely placed on the ballot to attract the weak minded who normally don't bother to vote unless they can vote in Obama or Hil, in my area anyway.
They will have to pry my ballot from my cold, dead hands. We always votes in every election, no exceptions, for 25 years.
Many years ago I was forced to marked a ballot Democratic in all offices, as I helped my elderly mother with light dementia complete her absentee ballot. That was very painful for me, marking all of those Democratic boxes. shudder. Fortunately or not, the next time the Presidential election rolled around she was too far gone in the head to cast a ballot.
I agree about voting, except I would've wheeled your mom in and voted straight party, lol. When Hillary ran against D'Amato, I was so worried that it was so close (it probably wasn't) that I got my OB to let me off bedrest for pre-term labor to go vote at the end of my street. The steroids used to develop the baby's lungs made me paranoid and sleepless, I totally believed that one vote was that important. Hey, she won.
When my grandmother was in her last year, she got her absentee ballot and she was confused but sly like a fox. She called and said her absentee ballot never came, they sent her another one. She handed me both and asked me to take care of them. "Gram, you're voting twice."
"So."
"So they probably won't count either of these."
"So I probably won't let you come visit me anymore. Mail 'em."
In her little village, you didn't have a mailman, you picked up mail from your box at the post office and mail went out from there. So she could not see me shred one of them. She did this same thing to two of my cousins. She did have brain mets so it could've been that, but she was a pistol about voting. UA, she'd convert you in a minute and thirty, and two bites of heavenly pie, lol.
yup, they can pry my ballot, too, 27 years for me. My gun (of the nerf variety circa '78) they can have, not my ballot
freshstart
10-22-15, 11:30pm
So far, I'm impressed by Clinton's sangfroid. And the Republicans' single-mindedness of purpose.
I will still vote for Bernie, but Clinton's my backup. I don't know why either of them is volunteering to step into that nest of vipers, but I salute them for trying.
I really give Bernie credit, he didn't have to do this, he was a wonderful mayor, representative and Senator. I know I sound naive but I am grateful to him for making this effort. He's got my vote unless the GOP takes some huge lead in the Blue State of NY. Which will never happen. Pataki was one of ours, ugh, IDK if he's even still in, he was quieter than Biden
It seems clear to me that the party leaders simply meant to hand the nomination to Hillary from Day One.
Go Bernie!
Williamsmith
10-23-15, 7:07am
I got to hand it Biden. Who else can you name who has done nothing in the past and called a News conference in the Rose Garden to announce that he is going to do nothing in the future. It now appears Joe is best at just getting the hell out of the way. He will leave the leading to Hillary and the following to the media.
JaneV2.0
10-23-15, 10:29am
I'll forever think of Joe Biden as that serial plagiarizer; an amiable stumblebum.
I'll forever think of Joe Biden as that serial plagiarizer; an amiable stumblebum.
Yes. I don't know where all the pundits' platitudinous panegyrics are coming from. He's a great statesman because he elected not to interfere with Hillary's coronation parade?
Lincoln Chafee dropped out this morning. And then there were three.
O'Malley is an interesting candidate, but... Soon enough it will be two and that's ok. I don't think it would break anyone's heart of the attrition rate among the GOP candidates accelerated just a bit.
now we apparently also have Lawrence Lessig? Who?
now we apparently also have Lawrence Lessig? Who?
Is that the guy who wants to pass one law and resign?
Williamsmith
10-23-15, 4:43pm
He looks too much like Less Nessman of WKRP in Cincinnatti for me to take seriously. Turkeys Away......
http://youtu.be/p00nBSNIPwg
rosarugosa
10-23-15, 5:49pm
Not Ted Knight from the Mary Tyler Moore show?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+ted+knight&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=131B812DAF11D58653CC131B812DAF11D58653CC
I never thought Biden would run. He looked to me to be in a position where he could have run if Hillary Clinton's candidacy failed, but with no intention of running otherwise. The Democrats have a pretty thin bench of candidates ready for 2016.
Once that didn't happen early enough for him to join the race, he had no reason to keep people wondering.
Hillary vs Trump = unlimited entertainment value............this is the only bright side.............
London oddsmakers (http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/winner) are giving Trump a better shot at winning the nomination, but Rubio a better shot in the election (?). They have Hilary as the leading candidate for both with a solid lead in the general election, 8/11 vs Rubio's 6/1.
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