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Wasn't sure if this should go here or in Reviews.
Anyone read his books or watch his You Tube discussions?
He articulates exactly what I have been sensing.........that the media is leading us to believe that there isn't a black violence problem, when it's just the opposite.
I don't see this as "racist", but rather as telling it like it is.
He's a famous, respected journalist. What he has to say is very interesting. It made me feel better about what I am sensing..........and no one else around me seems to.
iris lilies
10-29-15, 3:20pm
Since black on black crime in areas of poverty,those areas dominated by African
american residents, have been a concern of leaders in the black community for decades, I don't accept your premise that "no one else around [you] seems to" share your view.
edited for clarity
Never heard of him, but that's not surprising.
Do you believe the violence in some areas is due to genetics, or culture?
I think it's partially genetics and partially culture. But that would be impossible to determine without testing, and I'm sure that wouldn't be acceptable.
When I say no one seems to share my view......I mean many people make all sorts of excuses. For a couple years now, the crime in the big city near here has increasing black violence. Yes, the black ministers get together and try to help, but it seems to have no effect. And many times, if there has been a crime and they are looking for the perpetrator, they say what he's wearing.......but won't say his color. Seems like they're afraid this would add to the cries of racism.
I'm not very good at explaining things. Look up Colin Flaherty and see what he has to say. He wrote "White girl bleed a Lot" and "Don't make the black kids angry".
Like I said, some (maybe many) of you will call this racist.........but I feel it's being honest about an uncomfortable subject.
iris lilies
10-29-15, 4:52pm
I think it's partially genetics and partially culture. But that would be impossible to determine without testing, and I'm sure that wouldn't be acceptable.
When I say no one seems to share my view......I mean many people make all sorts of excuses. For a couple years now, the crime in the big city near here has increasing black violence. Yes, the black ministers get together and try to help, but it seems to have no effect. And many times, if there has been a crime and they are looking for the perpetrator, they say what he's wearing.......but won't say his color. Seems like they're afraid this would add to the cries of racism.
I'm not very good at explaining things. Look up Colin Flaherty and see what he has to say. He wrote "White girl bleed a Lot" and "Don't make the black kids angry".
Like I said, some (maybe many) of you will call this racist.........but I feel it's being honest about an uncomfortable subject.
oh believe me I get ya about the whole discomfort whitey has with facts.
living as I do in Urban America I run into it daily. A couple of incidents:
Some years ago we had a thug perpetrating his special brand of thuggery on residents around here. I loved him because he was white, with red hair! He was Celtic! God, if only more thugs could be of Celtic descent here, but I digress. Because he was so persistent in causing trouble, and because he was white he was a big deal around here and to this day I remember his name, Donnie. Cops came to my place of work to show me photos of Donnie so that I could identify him.
Recently a well meaning neighbor posted an alert on our neighborhood email list saying that black youths were walking down the street trying car door handles. Her message had a headline that was considered incendiary by many, something like "watch for these black kids!" and the resulting shitstorm of political correctness chastising her obscured the important point that baby gang bangers were out to steal our cars.
Do you believe the violence in some areas is due to genetics, or culture?
Or perhaps due to poverty?
Not genetics.
Research shows that a random white person often has more genetics in common with a random black person than with another random white person.
And if it's genetics, then white people are way more violent, seeing as we were the conquerors and destructors of native cultures, followed by being the slave owners for 300 years or so ...
Or perhaps due to poverty?
Poverty is a culture :-(
Ultralight
10-30-15, 8:21am
Should I ask my girlfriend if black people are more violent than white people?
Should I ask her if she thinks it is cultural or genetic?
Ultralight
10-30-15, 9:17am
More on this (most likely) erroneous idea that black people are naturally and/or more genetically more violent...
My high school was about 99% white. There were a couple half Asians (military dads). There were a few Latinos. And there were two half-black kids. One was adopted by a white family when he was a little baby. The other was the product of an accidental pregnancy; this one's mom moved off to a city when she was young, started dating black men, got pregnant, and then had to move back home to have her kid by herself. Very Catholic, so no ending the pregnancy.
Anyway, these two black students blended in. No real issues with them.
But in my senior year, I think, a black student moved from a larger city to our school. From day one he was harassed, attacked, beaten up, etc. He was called racial slurs constantly.
One day when I was at lunch in the lunch room a group of three white students were harassing him and pushing him. This is after only one week of this kid being at my school. When this incident started I thought I was going to have to jump in to stop what would now be considered a hate crime -- not that me jumping in would help the black kid all that much. It would also have made me a target too. But my mom raised me -- despite her many faults -- to stand up for the weak and to do my best to reject racism. So I was ready to take a beating too possibly.
But as I turned around in my seat, I saw the black kid from the city spit a razor blade from inside his mouth into his hand. He then said: "You want it? Come get it." to the white students harassing him.
He was expelled by the end of the day.
Poverty is a culture :-(
So, all the people who are now poor because their former manufacturing jobs have been moved overseas just have bad culture?
Ultralight
10-30-15, 11:26am
So, all the people who are now poor because their former manufacturing jobs have been moved overseas just have bad culture?
I would argue that manufacturing is a bad culture. ;)
So, all the people who are now poor because their former manufacturing jobs have been moved overseas just have bad culture?
That is not what I said, of course. Nor does it even follow from it.
I think Flaherty's point is that the violence is getting worse and worse and is showing up in places it hasn't before. He has well documented videos from many of these incidents. He feels that it's not being dealt with......that it's being covered up, to make everyone think there isn't a problem.
He doesn't want to talk about poverty, etc.......he's only wanting to draw attention to the denial of it all. He feels that denying it is actually feeding it and laying blame in the wrong places.
I agree with him.
And he's not talking about ALL blacks. He's talking about the violent ones who are growing in numbers......and it's not being addressed as a problem.
Ultralight
10-30-15, 12:17pm
I think Flaherty's point is that the violence is getting worse and worse and is showing up in places it hasn't before. He has well documented videos from many of these incidents. He feels that it's not being dealt with......that it's being covered up, to make everyone think there isn't a problem.
He doesn't want to talk about poverty, etc.......he's only wanting to draw attention to the denial of it all. He feels that denying it is actually feeding it and laying blame in the wrong places.
I agree with him.
And he's not talking about ALL blacks. He's talking about the violent ones who are growing in numbers......and it's not being addressed as a problem.
Can you explain these points a little more?
rodeosweetheart
10-30-15, 12:18pm
"And he's not talking about ALL blacks. He's talking about the violent ones who are growing in numbers......and it's not being addressed as a problem."
I admit that I have not looked at the link of Mr. Flaherty' work, but if this is the line of thinking, looking at groups of people this way, "he's not talking about ALL black" it seems incredibly racist, and not worth reading.
Seriously-- "ALL blacks"-- "All whites" "All men" "All women" "All Muslims" "All Jews" "All Christians"--
to me, that is bs, and suspect bs.
"And he's not talking about ALL blacks. He's talking about the violent ones who are growing in numbers......and it's not being addressed as a problem."
I admit that I have not looked at the link of Mr. Flaherty' work, but if this is the line of thinking, looking at groups of people this way, "he's not talking about ALL black" it seems incredibly racist, and not worth reading.
Seriously-- "ALL blacks"-- "All whites" "All men" "All women" "All Muslims" "All Jews" "All Christians"--to me, that is bs, and suspect bs.
I added the "he's not talking about all blacks". Why is that racist? How about those motorcycle gangs or drug gangs (whites). Does that mean you can't feel a certain way towards their violence without condemning all whites?
Seems like thinking "All" of any group is lumping everyone together too and isn't being flexible in thinking that everyone in each group is the same.
I'm sure a lot of people who hate ALL blacks just love what this guy is saying. But there are some of us who are hearing what he is saying........and that is we have a problem but the U.S. is white-washing it and denying the problem.
I think it's partially genetics and partially culture. But that would be impossible to determine without testing, and I'm sure that wouldn't be acceptable.
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Like I said, some (maybe many) of you will call this racist.........but I feel it's being honest about an uncomfortable subject.
In general the claim that the color of your skin itself, your "race", influences your likelihood of being violent, your cognitive abilities, your sexual prowess, your emotional development, and so on is viewed as racist.
Check your privilege.
bae........I just disagree.
Ultralight
10-30-15, 12:32pm
I think it's partially genetics...
Can you explain more on this issue?
I think Flaherty's point is that the violence is getting worse and worse and is showing up in places it hasn't before. He has well documented videos from many of these incidents. He feels that it's not being dealt with......that it's being covered up, to make everyone think there isn't a problem.
He doesn't want to talk about poverty, etc.......he's only wanting to draw attention to the denial of it all. He feels that denying it is actually feeding it and laying blame in the wrong places.
I agree with him.
And he's not talking about ALL blacks. He's talking about the violent ones who are growing in numbers......and it's not being addressed as a problem.
So,is,he,saying that the police are lying when reporting crime stats? Crime stats are at near historic lows right now which would seem to indicate that violence is falling. Perhaps it seems more prevalent only because everyone carries a video camera in their pocket. Rodney King getting beaten by brutal policemen being video' was a fluke at that time. Today everything gets recorded by someone or by a cop's dash cam or by a security camera so we're much more aware of what is actually happening to people.
iris lilies
10-30-15, 1:08pm
So, all the people who are now poor because their former manufacturing jobs have been moved overseas just have bad culture?
When sociologists talk about cultures they don't put the label "bad" on any of them.
I think it's reasonable to think that the stresses of being poor leads to insecurities and illnesses and panic reactions to life which are manifested in crimes against persons and property. I would call that a "bad situation" to be in, were I to adopt your seemingly black/white label.
bae........I just disagree.
Yes, I understand you use the word "racism" in a way that doesn't conform to conventional usage.
Nonetheless...
Ultralight
10-30-15, 1:15pm
Yes, I understand you use the word "racism" in a way that doesn't conform to conventional usage.
Nonetheless...
How is CathyA using it then? I am lost here.
Ultralight
10-30-15, 6:07pm
I think Flaherty's point is that the violence is getting worse and worse and is showing up in places it hasn't before. He has well documented videos from many of these incidents. He feels that it's not being dealt with......that it's being covered up, to make everyone think there isn't a problem.
He doesn't want to talk about poverty, etc.......he's only wanting to draw attention to the denial of it all. He feels that denying it is actually feeding it and laying blame in the wrong places.
I agree with him.
And he's not talking about ALL blacks. He's talking about the violent ones who are growing in numbers......and it's not being addressed as a problem.
You know I am a miscegenist, right? What you might call a "race mixer."
You know I am a miscegenist, right? What you might call a "race mixer."
Does your girlfriend get violent if you don't take her out on fancy dates?
Ultralight
10-30-15, 8:01pm
She has not gotten violent with me yet for any reason. haha
But now I am worried she might -- she is black, you know? And from the inner city!
Ultralight
11-1-15, 3:27pm
CathyA:
I noticed this thread came to an abrupt end. May I ask, did you get censored by a moderator?
No I didn't. But I think a lot of people don't like to be involved with certain topics.
Ultralight
11-1-15, 9:09pm
You are probably right in that sense, that "a lot of people don't like to be involved with certain topics."
Obviously I think you are wrong about the idea that black people are more violent genetically.
If you have some compelling evidence I'd want to see it.
I watched a few video clips on YouTube by this Flaherty character. I gotta say, I am not cool with it. I may read one of his books, though not if I have to buy it.
Why? Because I am curious about people, ideas, and people's ideas.
I did bring this guy and his ideas (the limited notion I have of them from this thread, a quick google search, and a couple youtube vids) up with my girlfriend, who happens to be black. She seemed disappointed that people would still be propagating the idea that her people (black folks) are genetically inferior to white people. I share her disappointment.
I also want to say that, while I would not report you or try to censor you (because I can just ignore a particular thread if I want, or argue with you if it suits my fancy) I do think that you need to give consideration to the fact that there might be black people on this forum that you might offend.
There might be someone on this forum whose relatives, friends, significant others, spouses, etc. are black. And your comments could put you in a position to be held in disdain -- and perhaps rightly so.
So I want you to think these things over.
I also want you to think about what prejudice feelings or ideas you might be harboring do to the very content of your character.
As you know, I am an ardent atheist. But in college the first friends I made were Muslims. I broke fast with them on Ramadans.
I also had great friends who were Hindu. I still have friends who are Christians. I am friends with people of various racial and ethnic backgrounds. I have worked along side undocumented immigrants. And I have dated and loved women who were from various races.
I am not telling you this to show how "cosmopolitan" I am. I also not calling you some yokel -- heck, some of the best people I know are uneducated hillbillies.
What I am saying is that if you are prejudice and you exclude others from your circle in life for things as silly as skin color then you are going to miss out on the richness of life.
Is that what you want?
I am going to leave you, for the moment, with this thought from old Hank:
“It is never too late to give up our prejudices. No way of thinking or doing, however ancient, can be trusted without proof. " -- Hank Thoreau
Williamsmith
11-2-15, 6:44am
There is plenty of insecurity in this country to go around.
UltraliteAngler..........I was hoping this thread faded into the sunset. But I have to reiterate that Mr. Flaherty and myself are talking about the violent mob behavior. Yes, I think genetics can make ANYONE more hostile.........whites, blacks, reds, greens, blues. I also think that our evolution of genetics can vary from the location of the culture.........Scandinavia/Europe/The Middle East/Asia, etc. We live in a country that tries to deny differences and makes someone a bigot, just if they are trying to acknowledge some differences that can lead to conflict.
I was speaking solely about the violent mobs/individuals that Mr. Flaherty was talking about. I treat everyone on an individual basis. You have no clue as to what I'm like or who I interact with. It's unfortunate that some have assumed it was a blanket statement about everyone........but that is THEIR bias.
I see that your question about if I had been censored was just a way for you to keep this topic alive. Let's let it go. We have differing opinions and different experiences in life. Much of my feeling comes from hearing daily about problems in a near-by city that is quickly becoming out of control. I would be pretty naive to not make make a few deductions about some things. Like I said, I treat everyone individually. It's really you who has made me into something I'm not.
So let's let this thread fade into the sunset, okay?
rodeosweetheart
11-2-15, 11:41am
Cathy, you have the right to talk about anything you want to, and I support your right to your opinion! It's different than mine, but cool, right. That's why we talk. For the record, I see nothing that anyone could "report you" about--wtf!
Ultralight
11-2-15, 11:51am
I think it's partially genetics and partially culture. But that would be impossible to determine without testing, and I'm sure that wouldn't be acceptable.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Also: I think that saying that black people are more violent because of their genetics is some seriously racist stuff that should be considered something worth reporting.
Though I would not report it because I think that it is more important to bring these issues to light and dismantle them for their absurdity.
rodeosweetheart
11-2-15, 11:59am
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Also: I think that saying that black people are more violent because of their genetics is some seriously racist stuff that should be considered something worth reporting.
Though I would not report it because I think that it is more important to bring these issues to light and dismantle them for their absurdity.
I don't think Cathy said the things you said she did, but she wishes to close the thread so I will respect that.
Ultralight
11-2-15, 1:05pm
I don't think Cathy said the things you said she did, but she wishes to close the thread so I will respect that.
I quoted her.
Perhaps we could discuss "The Bell Curve" next...
Ultralight
11-2-15, 1:33pm
Perhaps we could discuss "The Bell Curve" next...
Haha! Yeah!
Perhaps we could discuss "The Bell Curve" next...
Excellent idea--I love Sylvia Plath!!
:D
Excellent idea--I love Sylvia Plath!!
:D
Game. Set. Match! Well played!
Williamsmith
11-2-15, 6:42pm
I had something really insightful to say on this topic but some things are just best left unsaid.
Ultralight
11-2-15, 7:28pm
I had something really insightful to say on this topic but some things are just best left unsaid.
What a tease! lol
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