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Who ya' got?
I want Trump. Like really really want Trump. Ultimately, I think his campaign needs to be repudiated in convincing fashion for all the obvious reasons. But I hope that happens in November and not earlier. I am following the guy's twitter feed for goodness sake.
Cruz. I dislike him more than any politician I have ever disliked. I did not want Bush/McCain/Romney elected but never felt an intense dislike for them like I do with this guy. With McCain, and to a greater extent Romney, I generally thought it would be fine if either got elected. Not that big of a deal.
If one had to be President, I would easily choose Trump. For those who find amusement in Trump's general Trumpness, I offer you this quote:
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/19/10791590/trump-crying
iris lilies
1-21-16, 1:01am
Who ya' got?
I want Trump. Like really really want Trump. Ultimately, I think his campaign needs to be repudiated in convincing fashion for all the obvious reasons. But I hope that happens in November and not earlier. I am following the guy's twitter feed for goodness sake.
Cruz. I dislike him more than any politician I have ever disliked. I did not want Bush/McCain/Romney elected but never felt an intense dislike for them like I do with this guy. With McCain, and to a greater extent Romney, I generally thought it would be fine if either got elected. Not that big of a deal.
If one had to be President, I would easily choose Trump. For those who find amusement in Trump's general Trumpness, I offer you this quote:
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/19/10791590/trump-crying
gg, this is all ya got? Some lame shit about crying?
I've got something about the media's boyfriend Donald Trump, a pundit pointed it out today, and it really resonated with me: Trump came out supporting ethonol subsidies today.
So here it is for The Donald, the first real test of political pandering. And there he is, standing practically in the middle of our family's cornfield, defending government subsidies and playing the exact political game everyone else plays in Iowa.
He is a proponent of cutting big gubmnt my ass.
C'mon, kprp, I loved the crying piece!....I don't think Trump is even tying to (directly) appeal to small government conservatives. That is his best quality! His game is nationalism, and further riling up those that are so politically angry that they can't think straight, if they ever could.
How about this for humor. If you have facebook, this guy (Andy Borowitz) posts bit of political humor almost daily....
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/rabid_dog_briefly_mistaken_for_tea_party_candidate _20100912
I see Trump and Sanders as two sides of the same populist blowhard coin.
Williamsmith
1-21-16, 12:07pm
I see Trump and Sanders as two sides of the same populist blowhard coin.
I disagree......I see their supporters as two sides of the same coin......Trump is much more progressive and liberal than his supporters think......Sanders actually wants to change the course of the nation and save it from collapse....I just think he's wrong about how that can be accomplished. He is a socialist but we already have some degree of socialism in place. All these ancillary issues being discussed......none matter if we can't pay our debt. Sooner or later the monetary policies will fail and an entrepreneur who has used bankruptcy as a tool can't use it. Our nation can't declare bankruptcy. Sanders will hasten the collapse by running up the debt to pay for social programs.
I see both as having:
Different scapegoats, but a heavy reliance on scapegoating.
Exuberant overpromising that flies in the face of the constitutional and economic limitations on the office of the President.
An appeal to anger.
Remarkably similar policy positions, such as they are, in areas like health care and immigration.
Ultralight
1-21-16, 12:29pm
Scapegoating is to politics as bread & butter is to dinners.
iris lilies
1-21-16, 1:02pm
C'mon, kprp, I loved the crying piece!....I don't think Trump is even tying to (directly) appeal to small government conservatives. That is his best quality! His game is nationalism, and further riling up those that are so politically angry that they can't think straight, if they ever could.
How about this for humor. If you have facebook, this guy (Andy Borowitz) posts bit of political humor almost daily....
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/rabid_dog_briefly_mistaken_for_teai_party_candidat e_20100912 (http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/rabid_dog_briefly_mistaken_for_tea_party_candidate _20100912)
Oh! This took place in my state! I actually know, and even live wih, Missouri tea partiers. But I thinkDH knows a Doberman when he sees one.
But on to Trump: my two female friends who are business oriented very much see Trump as as "small government" candidate. While I think he is also appealing to those who like blowhards, they see him seriously working to reduce size of federal government.
Cruz appears to be smarter and more patient. But I don't get the sense that he worries, or even cares, about collateral damage with any of his policy proposals. Not that Trump is Mr. Compassion, but Donald shifts with the prevailing winds on any given day and has no real policy agenda beyond building a wall and sending Mexico the bill. As stated, Cruz is a very smart guy. He's argued (and won) cases before the SCOTUS which proves to me that he gets how the system works. Unfortunately I get the feeling he would put that kind of effort into advancing his agenda without any real consideration of how the rest of the country feels about it. Maybe that's fair, maybe not, but its the impression I have which makes me view Trump as the lesser of the evils. Ick. Just saying that makes me feel the need to take a shower.
iris lilies
1-21-16, 1:27pm
I wasn't a fan of Cruz, but I went to his website to look for info that justified my dislike but didnt really find anything to "scare" me. mThis whole "i hate Cruz" and "Cruz scares me" is pretty typical of what I'm hearing from my leftie friends.
Last time around I remember posters here practically peeing their panties with excitment about the intelligence of Senator from Illinois.
Now that the Right has the truly smart guy, certified as such by ivy league professors, that criteria is off the table and they are on to something else, a nebulous fear.
I think it is cool that Cruz is an immigrant and his father also that. But according to a local law professor who gave an interview on the radio, Cruz' status as natural born citizen is somewhat questionable. This specific status, born in another country to a citizen of the US ( Cruz' mother) has not been settled in law.
I'm coming from the other side of the fence, but given the choice I'd go with Trump. A lot of his wild proposals will not get past congress, will prove impractical, or will end up in stalemate. Cruz is more of a schemer and I don't know that I would trust him as being up front and open. No telling what he might pull off. I wish Rubio would pull a little more popularity.
I can kind of see where the Cruz as Richard III meme comes from. He does sort of give off that vibe. I don't know, though, whether it's as justified as the same impression is for Clinton. There doesn't seem to be the same level of influence peddling and prevarication.
It's a shame superficial image plays the role it does in politics. But I can't blame politicians for that as much as the voting public.
Now that the Right has the truly smart guy, certified as such by ivy league professors, that criteria is off the table and they are on to something else, a nebulous fear.
The two things about Cruz that worry me most are his courting the evangelical vote and climate change denial. No problem here with evangelicals, if that's your boat, float in it, but the leader of a country of 300M+ people should, IMO, be a little more well rounded when considering the beliefs of the other 250M+ citizens. Of course its easy to blame the media as much as the man on that one, but ultimately the man makes his choices. Climate change is a different animal. Shoot, I'm not even 100% convinced that human intervention is fully to blame, but I don't see how ANY reasonable, intelligent person can still deny that the climate IS changing and that it will be detrimental to our lifestyle on this planet. If you can accept that it should be an easy progression to a point where we have to take action. If Cruz is as smart as I believe he is then denial is nothing more than a willingness to pander to the biggest super-PAC contributors at any cost. I just can't get behind "F@$# everything else, let's all just make money!". Guess I'm still hoping for a leader instead of a politician.
I'd rather think of potential President's in terms of what they will not do. If a potential President will not subvert the Constitution, I'm for him/her. If a potential President will not bypass Congress, I'm for him/her. If a potential President will not change their campaign ideology once elected, I'm for him/her.
With those qualifiers in mind, I think Cruz might be my only viable choice.
iris lilies
1-21-16, 5:13pm
And Cruz is a flat tax guy. i love me some flat tax philosophy! It is the ONLY thing I could stand about Huckabee last time around. While Rand's (my favorite) proposal is a flat tax at 14% Cruz has his flat tax pegged at 10%.
Whatever the number, I like the idea.
The Donald just proposes less tax for everyone and at my income now in retirement I thInk it means none for us. His tax paper actually seemed to me to read like that of a
democrat. I couldnt have told you which candidate wrote it if I didnt know.
Williamsmith
1-21-16, 5:50pm
I don't know if this country can survive four years of a Trump Presidency. Hes got the intelligence of a four year old . And he is surrounded and endorsed by mental toddlers. It would be the most immature Presidency ever. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Trump reality show from the White House.
Cruz would polarize this Nation more than Obama has, and that is a real accomplishment. Cruz tends to smirk at people when he disagrees. I'm pretty sure he would become embroiled in more military action and spend just like his predecessors. But he is smarter than a fifth grader so I go with Cruz over Trump.
gimmethesimplelife
1-21-16, 10:52pm
No great surprise here, I'll pass on both. Trump would make the US seem worse to the world at large - can anyone honestly see him behaving appropriately at formal head of state affairs that come with the job? With the exception of Putin I could see him alienating world leaders around the globe. Too be fair to the conservatives here I could see Marco Rubio in this role and behaving appropriately with heads of state. Point being I'm not being broad based anti Republican here. But here's a twist.....I dislike Cruz even more than Trump. I seriously question his judgement. I understand that until recently he was a dual national of the US and Canada. He willingly gave up Canadian citizenship and this I can not forgive nor understand.
Putting aside any opinions of the US or Canada, in a world this unstable common sense would dictate that having a second passport to another country legally bound to take you in is pure gold. Cruz obviously doesn't grasp this and therefore I find it impossible to trust him or even listen to the man for more than 30 seconds. You just don't take a second citizenship and passport that lightly in a world seemingly getting more unstable by the day. Even my husband gets this and has no intention of giving up his Mexican citizenship or passport....just in case. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
1-21-16, 11:11pm
gg, this is all ya got? Some lame shit about crying?
I've got something about the media's boyfriend Donald Trump, a pundit pointed it out today, and it really resonated with me: Trump came out supporting ethonol subsidies today.
So here it is for The Donald, the first real test of political pandering. And there he is, standing practically in the middle of our family's cornfield, defending government subsidies and playing the exact political game everyone else plays in Iowa.
He is a proponent of cutting big gubmnt my ass.IL, I tip my hat to you (as I've posted before I often wear fedoras) out of respect to you for seeing this. Rob
He willingly gave up Canadian citizenship and this I can not forgive nor understand.
Why would electing exclusive American citizenship be something that required forgiveness?
What is so difficult to understand about someone being committed to the country they're seeking to serve in high office?
Ultralight
1-22-16, 9:49am
Why would electing exclusive American citizenship be something that required forgiveness?
What is so difficult to understand about someone being committed to the country they're seeking to serve in high office?
If I had the choice I'd go Canadian.
I'd rather think of potential President's in terms of what they will not do. If a potential President will not subvert the Constitution, I'm for him/her. If a potential President will not bypass Congress, I'm for him/her. If a potential President will not change their campaign ideology once elected, I'm for him/her.
With those qualifiers in mind, I think Cruz might be my only viable choice.
i think that's very true. You need to look at actions consistent with the rhetoric. That's why I agree with with National Review's editorial against Trump:
"Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones."
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430137/donald-trump-conservative-movement-menace
Would I go as far as George Will and Irving Kristol have suggested, and look to a third party candidate in the event Trump is nominated? I'm not sure. I might still hold my nose and vote for him if I thought he was the only obstacle to the Statist approach the Democrats seem committed to.
i think that's very true. You need to look at actions consistent with the rhetoric. That's why I agree with with National Review's editorial against Trump:
"Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones."
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430137/donald-trump-conservative-movement-menace
Would I go as far as George Will and Irving Kristol have suggested, and look to a third party candidate in the event Trump is nominated? I'm not sure. I might still hold my nose and vote for him if I thought he was the only obstacle to the Statist approach the Democrats seem committed to.
I see this morning that this position got NR barred from the Feb 25 debate.
gimmethesimplelife
1-22-16, 3:23pm
gg, this is all ya got? Some lame shit about crying?
I've got something about the media's boyfriend Donald Trump, a pundit pointed it out today, and it really resonated with me: Trump came out supporting ethonol subsidies today.
So here it is for The Donald, the first real test of political pandering. And there he is, standing practically in the middle of our family's cornfield, defending government subsidies and playing the exact political game everyone else plays in Iowa.
He is a proponent of cutting big gubmnt my ass.
Why would electing exclusive American citizenship be something that required forgiveness?
What is so difficult to understand about someone being committed to the country they're seeking to serve in high office?Of course Cruz is a free man, free to do as he wishes and he does not need to justify his choice to give up his Canadian citizenship. I only question his judgement as I would never give up a second citizenship or passport period. I just don't have enough faith in any nation state to voluntarily give up the legal right to flee to another country if need be via a second passport. To me Cruz has displayed extremely impractical behavior here showing that he's out of touch with everyday people. Even Trump has not gone quite this far. Rob
i think that's very true. You need to look at actions consistent with the rhetoric. That's why I agree with with National Review's editorial against Trump:
+1 - I thought that was a great summary of the Trump Situation.
Rob - that is perhaps the oddest criticism of Cruz I've ever heard.
Canadian passports are pretty darned easy to obtain for people with means. Ted Cruz has a net worth of ~$3 million, which while not exactly super-rich, would let him flee to quite a few countries and take up legal residence quite trivially. Renouncing a useless-to-him-at-the-moment Canadia citizenship so he can pursue his career goals doesn't seem an unreasonable act.
Of course Cruz is a free man, free to do as he wishes and he does not need to justify his choice to give up his Canadian citizenship. I only question his judgement as I would never give up a second citizenship or passport period. I just don't have enough faith in any nation state to voluntarily give up the legal right to flee to another country if need be via a second passport. To me Cruz has displayed extremely impractical behavior here showing that he's out of touch with everyday people. Even Trump has not gone quite this far. Rob
I question the practicality of an American politician essentially saying to the voters "I want to be your Commander in Chief, but I plan on maintaining a bolthole just in case". It doesn't particularly strike me as being "out of touch with everyday people" to be committed to your country.
gimmethesimplelife
1-22-16, 4:12pm
gg, this is all ya got? Some lame shit about crying?
I've got something about the media's boyfriend Donald Trump, a pundit pointed it out today, and it really resonated with me: Trump came out supporting ethonol subsidies today.
So here it is for The Donald, the first real test of political pandering. And there he is, standing practically in the middle of our family's cornfield, defending government subsidies and playing the exact political game everyone else plays in Iowa.
He is a proponent of cutting big gubmnt my ass.
I question the practicality of an American politician essentially saying to the voters "I want to be your Commander in Chief, but I plan on maintaining a bolthole just in case". It doesn't particularly strike me as being "out of touch with everyday people" to be committed to your country.I couldn't ever vote for or trust a candidate that would voluntarily give up a second passport and the legal ability to bail for another country at will - if Cruz is going to be this impractical now.......what stunts would be pull after being elected? At best I see him lacking common sense to the point of being unfit for the Presidency. I know so many people who agree with me here in Phoenix that dislike him for giving up the second citizenship that so many crave....and I don't mean Canada specifically, but the right to bail at will to a second country. I very much dislike Trump but Trump doesn't strike me as being indifferent to pure gold - the right to bail at will - as Cruz does. Just my seventeen cents. Rob
I couldn't ever vote for or trust a candidate that would voluntarily give up a second passport and the legal ability to bail for another country at will - if Cruz is going to be this impractical now.......what stunts would be pull after being elected? At best I see him lacking common sense to the point of being unfit for the Presidency. I know so many people who agree with me here in Phoenix that dislike him for giving up the second citizenship that so many crave....and I don't mean Canada specifically, but the right to bail at will to a second country. I very much dislike Trump but Trump doesn't strike me as being indifferent to pure gold - the right to bail at will - as Cruz does. Just my seventeen cents. Rob
I think it is eminently practical for an aspirant to leadership of a country to not want to demonstrate divided loyalties or hedge his bets on that county's survival. I obviously don't travel in the same circles as you, but I don't see giving up a second citizenship as a big vote loser.
I couldn't ever vote for or trust a candidate that would voluntarily give up a second passport and the legal ability to bail for another country at will - if Cruz is going to be this impractical now.......what stunts would be pull after being elected? At best I see him lacking common sense to the point of being unfit for the Presidency. I know so many people who agree with me here in Phoenix that dislike him for giving up the second citizenship that so many crave....and I don't mean Canada specifically, but the right to bail at will to a second country. I very much dislike Trump but Trump doesn't strike me as being indifferent to pure gold - the right to bail at will - as Cruz does. Just my seventeen cents. Rob
The great thing about this is, you don't have to actually come up with good reasons not to vote for him.
Ultralight
1-22-16, 4:23pm
The great thing about this is, you don't have to actually come up with good reasons not to vote for him.
Yes! He really is that bad.
Yes! He really is that bad.See, you don't need reasons either. :doh:
gimmethesimplelife
1-22-16, 4:29pm
gg, this is all ya got? Some lame shit about crying?
I've got something about the media's boyfriend Donald Trump, a pundit pointed it out today, and it really resonated with me: Trump came out supporting ethonol subsidies today.
So here it is for The Donald, the first real test of political pandering. And there he is, standing practically in the middle of our family's cornfield, defending government subsidies and playing the exact political game everyone else plays in Iowa.
He is a proponent of cutting big gubmnt my ass.
The great thing about this is, you don't have to actually come up with good reasons not to vote for him.Each to their own Alan, I guess. To me this reason Trump's (no pun intended here, I can't get auto correct to let me write Trump's in lower case) any other reason that could be brought up to not vote for him. Giving up a second passport really shows what he's made of and deems him unfit for the job. It doesn't look like we will be plagued by Cruz, though, Trump's beating him now......Rob
Giving up a second passport really shows what he's made of and deems him unfit for the job.
Given that most of the candidates could arrange a passport from another country with very little effort, and have not done so, does that fact make them unfit for the job?
This is going to be a tough year. I can't vote for Trump or Clinton because I don't believe they mean what they say, and I can't vote for Sanders or Cruz because I believe that they do. At this point, I'm thinking the best course of action is to support Rubio and pray for Paul Ryan's continued good health.
gimmethesimplelife
1-22-16, 5:06pm
gg, this is all ya got? Some lame shit about crying?
I've got something about the media's boyfriend Donald Trump, a pundit pointed it out today, and it really resonated with me: Trump came out supporting ethonol subsidies today.
So here it is for The Donald, the first real test of political pandering. And there he is, standing practically in the middle of our family's cornfield, defending government subsidies and playing the exact political game everyone else plays in Iowa.
He is a proponent of cutting big gubmnt my ass.
Given that most of the candidates could arrange a passport from another country with very little effort, and have not done so, does that fact make them unfit for the job?Fair point, Bae. My answer is that with so many people who would be willing to move mountains in the hopes of acquiring something Cruz so casually threw away, he comes across as out of touch and a tad bit arrogant and elitist. As much as I complain about the US, I'd very much like to believe we could elect better than the very disrespectful Ted Cruz. I wouldn't be surprised if Canada is glad to be rid of him. Rob
+1 - I thought that was a great summary of the Trump Situation.
You could argue that National Review effectively excommunicated the John Birch Society and Ayn Rand from respectable conservative society back in the day. Perhaps we'll see if ideas still matter in politics.
Ultralight
1-22-16, 6:57pm
You could argue that National Review effectively excommunicated the John Birch Society and Ayn Rand from respectable conservative society back in the day. Perhaps we'll see if ideas still matter in politics.
Whoa!!!!! They excommunicated her divine holiness, Ayn Rand!?
Poll: In Hypothetical Matchup Between Trump and Cruz, Most Choose Death
-Andy Borowitz, satirist
iris lilies
1-22-16, 9:50pm
Rob - that is perhaps the oddest criticism of Cruz I've ever heard.
"Odd" is a kind characterization of Rob's criticism of Cruz.
i too want a Prez with skin in the game. It never occured to me to admire a Prez who can jet off to another country if things get sticky here.
Also, I would bet real money that Rob wouldnt vote doe Ted Ceuz even if his primary passport was Mexico. or Austria.
Poll: In Hypothetical Matchup Between Trump and Cruz, Most Choose Death
-Andy Borowitz, satirist
:laff:
gimmethesimplelife
1-22-16, 11:10pm
gg, this is all ya got? Some lame shit about crying?
I've got something about the media's boyfriend Donald Trump, a pundit pointed it out today, and it really resonated with me: Trump came out supporting ethonol subsidies today.
So here it is for The Donald, the first real test of political pandering. And there he is, standing practically in the middle of our family's cornfield, defending government subsidies and playing the exact political game everyone else plays in Iowa.
He is a proponent of cutting big gubmnt my ass.
"Odd" is a kind characterization of Rob's criticism of Cruz.
i too want a Prez with skin in the game. It never occured to me to admire a Prez who can jet off to another country if things get sticky here.
Also, I would bet real money that Rob wouldnt vote doe Ted Ceuz even if his primary passport was Mexico. or Austria.IL, to be fair if Cruz were a Democratic candidate saying things I like hearing Id feel the exact same way. Maybe even stronger than I do with Cruz being a Republican. One reason Hillary lost my support is the speaking fees she's been paid by Goldman Sachs. To intimate with Wall Street for my taste. Anyhow, I'd condemn a Democratic candidate even more for tossing aside a second passport as if a pair of socks into a laundry basket. I just wanted to make this clear. Rob
frugal-one
1-23-16, 2:48pm
Wow.... Neo-nazi... equates Hitler to God?
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/trump-retweets-support-from-neo-nazi-white-164217608.html
Interesting article from Nate Silver on his website fivethirtyeight.com.
Excerpt: "Things are lining up better for Trump than I would have imagined, however. It's not his continued presence in the race that surprises me a much as the lack of a concerted effort to stop him."
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/one-big-reason-to-be-less-skeptical-of-trump/
Whoa!!!!! They excommunicated her divine holiness, Ayn Rand!?
Oh yes. Read Whittaker Chambers' review of Atlas Shrugged sometime. I heard that to the end of her days Rand refused to occupy the same room as William F Buckley.
Less dramatically, I can remember how they turned against Pat Buchanan about twenty years ago.
If Ted Cruz saved me from a burning building, I'd still want to punch him in the face once we got outside.
iris lilies
1-24-16, 8:36pm
Oh yes. Read Whittaker Chambers' review of Atlas Shrugged sometime. I heard that to the end of her days Rand refused to occupy the same room as William F Buckley.
Less dramatically, I can remember how they turned against Pat Buchanan about twenty years ago.
How I wish AynRand's works were not the first embodiment of libertarian principles that comes to mind! I freekng HATE her preachy didactic fiction.
gimmethesimplelife
1-24-16, 11:16pm
My mother in law dropped by today to drop off some leftovers of her wonderful cooking. Her English is not 100 percent but I don't have much trouble understanding her as I've worked with so many Mexicans over the years in f and b and of course lived around them. Getting to the point she knows I can be fired up about politics so she started talking about Trump and then Cruz. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch is all I'm going to say.
She compares Trump to Pena Neito, the current Mexican president and a supposed PRI crook but says Trump is bad news and without Pena Neito's looks. Then she talked about Cruz and I won't repeat some of what she said here, my ears are still burning. But she totally agreed with my take on his giving up his second passport.......I'm very flattered. She's one of the few people whose good opinion means a lot to me and we see a lot the same politically. Rob
How I wish AynRand's works were not the first embodiment of libertarian principles that comes to mind! I freekng HATE her preachy didactic fiction.
I agree Hayek or von Mises would be a healthier diet. But Rand provides the sort of cartoon villain persona that the left requires for it's narrative.
I agree Hayek or von Mises would be a healthier diet. But Rand provides the sort of cartoon villain persona that the left requires for it's narrative.
I agree, but equate that a little more with the overall dumbing down of our politik and our society in general than with anything left specific. Not that one interpretation is any healthier than the other, I've just lost sight of any libertarian beacon that may be emanating from the right side of the playing field.
iris lilies
1-25-16, 10:47am
I agree, but equate that a little more with the overall dumbing down of our politik and our society in general than with anything left specific. Not that one interpretation is any healthier than the other, I've just lost sight of any libertarian beacon that may be emanating from the right side of the playing field.
What is wrong with Rand Paul? Granted he is not full out libertarian, but that pure libertarian stuff wouldnt begin to fly in this countey, even with me.
What is wrong with Rand Paul? Granted he is not full out libertarian, but that pure libertarian stuff wouldnt begin to fly in this countey, even with me.
Fair enough. The beacons are few and far between and not generally electable, but a brave examples do exist.
Williamsmith
2-4-16, 9:59am
Rand Paul leaves without much ado. Too bad. Rick Santorum quits and endorses Rubio. Carson is the fuel for a feud between Cruz (the righteous) and Trump (the circus barker). Cruz and Trump just might torpedo each other. One can only hope.
The Cruz victory sermon in Iowa was simply disturbing. I thought for a moment he was going to break out and speak in tongues, maybe interpret a few dreams and predict the downfall of the country if a revival didn't occur and millions fall to their knees weeping and gnashing their teeth and covering themselves in sackcloth and ashes.
Rubio even thanked his Savior Jesus Christ. I'm sure Jesus appreciates it but he can't be on everybodys side.
Trump is threatening to sue Cruz over his theft of Carson votes ....... he does have a point there. I heard the comments by CNN in real time and I didn't once assume Carson was throwing in the towel. Cruz is as sleazy as the next politician but he is so dang righteous about his honesty, and integrity.......I'm sure he knows the biblical verse about "pride goeth before a fall". I used the King James Version.....that's obviously goin to be the accepted translation at the White House.
He will make a great Jimmy Swaggart like moment some day.
Rubio even thanked his Savior Jesus Christ. I'm sure Jesus appreciates it but he can't be on everybodys side.
I'm pretty sure God is an Establishment Republican. Santa Claus leans toward the Democrats.
Ultralight
2-4-16, 10:11am
I'm pretty sure God is an Establishment Republican. Santa Claus leans toward the Democrats.
I would say god is a sociopath with no conscience. So yeah, he leans to the right-wing. ;)
Santa Claus is fake, like most Democrats.
So in a way, we agree!
I would say god is a sociopath with no conscience. So yeah, he leans to the right-wing. ;)
Santa Claus is fake, like most Democrats.
So in a way, we agree!
God doesn't give people everything they feel entitled to, and leaves them to make their own decisions, so I suppose you're right.
Ultralight
2-4-16, 10:20am
God doesn't give people everything they feel entitled to, and leaves them to make their own decisions, so I suppose you're right.
LOL Well played!
LOL Well played!
This site makes coffee breaks fun.
Can anyone pinpoint the moment when the formerly respectable Republican party was hijacked by a squad of evangelical loons? Santorum, Cruz, Rubio, Huckabee, Carson...They make Rand Paul seem like a gust of fresh air. What has happened to the party of Eisenhower, and--dare I say it--Nixon?
...formerly respectable Republican party...
This is what I call "Historical Fantasy." ;)
Can anyone pinpoint the moment when the formerly respectable Republican party was hijacked by a squad of evangelical loons? Santorum, Cruz, Rubio, Huckabee, Carson...They make Rand Paul seem like a gust of fresh air. What has happened to the party of Eisenhower, and--dare I say it--Nixon?
or Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt? I heard someone saying early today that they would vote Democrat when the Democrats had someone like Kennedy, FDR or Truman. The Republicans have gone nuts. What happened to Bush? I thought he was one of the few reasonable ones. And they don't like him? I do not understand.
or Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt? I heard someone saying early today that they would vote Democrat when the Democrats had someone like Kennedy, FDR or Truman. The Republicans have gone nuts. What happened to Bush? I thought he was one of the few reasonable ones. And they don't like him? I do not understand.
Bush=Recession.
I heard someone saying early today that they would vote Democrat when the Democrats had someone like Kennedy, FDR or Truman.
What does that even mean?
What does that even mean?
No one knows.
or Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt? I heard someone saying early today that they would vote Democrat when the Democrats had someone like Kennedy, FDR or Truman. The Republicans have gone nuts. What happened to Bush? I thought he was one of the few reasonable ones. And they don't like him? I do not understand.
Maybe because he doesn't exhort his supporters to beat down protesters at his rallies? He's too civilized for the base, I guess.
Not to mention that he's--literally--sleeping with the enemy.
What does that even mean?
I think it meant that those were the Democrats they admired.
iris lilies
2-4-16, 6:31pm
Can anyone pinpoint the moment when the formerly respectable Republican party was hijacked by a squad of evangelical loons? Santorum, Cruz, Rubio, Huckabee, Carson...They make Rand Paul seem like a gust of fresh air. What has happened to the party of Eisenhower, and--dare I say it--Nixon?
Haha I do consider Rand to be a breath of fresh air no "seem like" to it.
But you would be disappointed to know he was the keynote speaker at Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum conference last fall and the Eagle Forum is chock full o' Evangelicals. He spoke about his mother who was being honored at the dinner.
iris lilies
2-4-16, 6:32pm
Not to mention that he's--literally--sleeping with the enemy.
Thats silly.
Of course it's silly. But that seems to be how most of the Republican base thinks.
And I could never be a Rand Paul supporter anyway, because of his inexplicable--for a Libertarian--position on reproductive rights, among other things.
But I admire his position on endless pointless wars, cannabis legalization, and a few other issues.
iris lilies
2-4-16, 7:06pm
Of course it's silly. But that seems to be how most of the Republican base thinks.
And I could never be a Rand Paul supporter anyway, because of his inexplicable--for a Libertarian--position on reproductive rights, among other things.
But I admire his position on endless pointless wars, cannabis legalization, and a few other issues.
Jane, I never suspected you would support Rand, relax.
obviously, I meant your characterization of Republicans who consider Latinas "the enemy" to be silly.
Years ago I watch the Simpsons and there was a Homer Car, It had everything people thought they wanted. When you put that all together it was a mess. I kept thinking Trump was the Homer Car, saying the things that many wished they could say and would not, because one knew it would never work.
Jane, I never suspected you would support Rand, relax.
obviously, I meant your characterization of Republicans who consider Latinas "the enemy" to be silly.
I understood you correctly. Have you listened to the anti-Mexican rhetoric coming from the Trump camp? It's scary. And they don't seem to make any distinction between undocumented and documented when it comes to hating. So I stand by my characterization. Of course, pretty much anyone is the enemy to most of those yahoos.
gimmethesimplelife
2-6-16, 12:21am
If Ted Cruz saved me from a burning building, I'd still want to punch him in the face once we got outside.Ouch.....methinks you really don't like the man......Rob
Williamsmith
2-6-16, 6:12am
Mr. Cruz may be the most sincere person in the world. His outward religiousity is off putting. His stubbornness reminds me of my mother who would issue punishment for a perceived wrongdoing and in quickly learning of innocence would however refuse to revoke the punishment. I also detest false humility.
Yes--it's one thing to have religion, and another to brandish it like a sword. We are a pluralistic republic--one that was purposefully founded without a state religion--and it would behoove these zealots to internalize that fact or stand down. IMO
Williamsmith
2-14-16, 8:43am
It seems to be down to these two guys. Trump and Cruz. Any further debate is useless. In fact, it is embarrassing. By now, their minions have drank the entire punch bowl. A showdown where each side is completely polarized follows. Can I find enough value in either candidate to vote Republican? I'm not sure what being a Republican stands for. Carpet bomb and make the desert glow, liar liar liar, porn star among the ranks, he stole the caucuses, build a wall and make Mexico pay for it, To God be the glory ...... if we could have a good old fashion duel to the death. Hamilton and Burr.
Let me see......a look at the Democratic Party. Meh. Who's the third party candidate?
It seems to be down to these two guys. Trump and Cruz. Any further debate is useless.
Calling the game at the bottom of the first does not strike me as the sort of thing a reasonable man would want to do.
Williamsmith
2-14-16, 11:22am
Well check back with me during the seventh inning stretch. By then I will need therapy. "Is there a reasonable man in the house."
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