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Apparently Donald is going to skip the upcoming GOP debate. As much as the guy makes my skin crawl, I have to admit that is absolutely brilliant! The announcement is boosting his already astronomical media coverage levels even higher. He has nothing to gain by potentially getting backed into a corner where he may (may? Haha) look foolish when pressed to actually answer a question about...anything. Cruz has already come out with the line that Trump's "afraid of Megyn Kelly". Really Ted? Score one for Donald there since his biggest rival now sounds like a second grader. And on top of that Trump is now calling Cruz "the Canadian, the man from Canada". Smart guy vs. media smart guy isn't working out well for the smart guy who, at least for now, lost his shot at the title. To make it even better, if Trump isn't on stage the TV audience will drop to near zero meaning none of the other candidates will even be seen much less get a shot at Trump. It seems pretty obvious that Donald doesn't much care for FOX or Megyn Kelly so this move would give him the double bonus of FOX taking a huge revenue hit on the viewer loss and Ms. Kelly, et al, not getting the potential career boost from taking on the front runner. Whoever Trump has in his corner yanking on these chains is a legend in the making in my mind. It sucks for the country, but damn its good theater!
I think he's more comfortable with brainless women who play his games. But Ms. Kelly plays her own games too.
He's a very smart, manipulative 2 year old.
iris lilies
1-27-16, 1:24pm
It good media, I agree.
Williamsmith
1-27-16, 1:27pm
I'm going to tune in to listen to Marco Rubio.....and look at Megyn Kelly.
Ultralight
1-27-16, 1:32pm
So who will drop out after the Iowa primary?
So who will drop out after the Iowa primary?
Probably no one after just Iowa and NH, but by the first week of March everyone except Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Bush and an egomaniac to be named later.
Ultralight
1-27-16, 1:41pm
Probably no one after just Iowa and NH, but by the first week of March everyone except Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Bush and an egomaniac to be named later.
What about on the Dem side?
iris lilies
1-27-16, 1:53pm
So this is part of Trump's art of deal making, walk away when the deal doesnt suit you.
Mark my words, if this yokel gets elected President, he will resign some time in bcause he will find that he cannot actually do the stuff he say he will do. Although other than bulding a wall and charging it to Mexico I'm not sure what he is planning to do. He's already rubber stamped big ag subsidies, pandering to the Iowa vote.
I don't get it, I would think if my candidate was not participating that would be a negative. Don't any of his supporters get that he is not showing he is actually going to do the job?
Mark my words, if this yokel gets elected President, he will resign some time in bcause he will find that he cannot actually do the stuff he say he will do.
Perhaps this commonality is why he and Sarah are BFFs now.
Ultralight
1-27-16, 2:43pm
Come on guys! You know he'll make America great again!
I don't get it, I would think if my candidate was not participating that would be a negative. Don't any of his supporters get that he is not showing he is actually going to do the job?
I don't think they're even thinking that far. He's just a screaming voice that they can relate to.
I agree with IL, and I've thought that before..........If he won the presidency, I can imagine him just giving up and getting the hell out of the whitehouse, if things don't go his way. How he is acting might work in the real estate/business world, but I can't imagine working in the whitehouse. And no matter what any candidate promises.........it's really up to the Congress if it gets passed or not. And if Trump (or probably any other of the GOP candidates) getd elected, the Congress will fill up with Democrats. It's that pendulum doing it's thang.
It good media, I agree.
You're absolutely right. His name will almost certainly be mentioned more than the participants in the event.
Seems that he is simply indicating that he will not be pushed around or forced to conform. Whether that is good or bad for the whole idea of the election is another issue entirely.
As someone mentioned, it is good theatre.
I don't know.........for good theater, I'd like to see a fistacuffs.........maybe between Trump and Cruz, or maybe with Megan Kelly. :~)
iris lilies
1-27-16, 7:32pm
Completely separate from The Donald's shenanigans, I would have respect for M Kelly if she stepped out of this fray.
When the jornalist becomes the story, it is ethical to remove oneself from the story.
I don't know.........for good theater, I'd like to see a fistacuffs.........maybe between Trump and Cruz, or maybe with Megan Kelly. :~)
And if Carson pulls out a knife and relives his childhood the evening would be complete!
Williamsmith
1-27-16, 8:20pm
If I were Cruz.....I would beat up on Trump all night long for being a wussy. Geez there is a lot to cover.
gimmethesimplelife
1-28-16, 2:20am
So this is part of Trump's art of deal making, walk away when the deal doesnt suit you.
Mark my words, if this yokel gets elected President, he will resign some time in bcause he will find that he cannot actually do the stuff he say he will do. Although other than bulding a wall and charging it to Mexico I'm not sure what he is planning to do. He's already rubber stamped big ag subsidies, pandering to the Iowa vote.Ay carumba, the promised fence Mr. Trump will make Mexico pay for. With the peso trading a couple of days ago at 18.5 to a dollar and plunging, I'm sure Pena Neito is all about cutting a check for the fence. Yep. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
1-28-16, 2:20am
Completely separate from The Donald's shenanigans, I would have respect for M Kelly if she stepped out of this fray.
When the jornalist becomes the story, it is ethical to remove oneself from the story.Agreed. Rob
iris lilies, I agree totally with you. I do not watch tv, but back in 08 Fox was the choice. Then I realized how sided and That whole "the Spin Stops here", seemed to be very far from the truth and I pulled the plug on my Tv time and Fox for sure. OK I did not even know who Ms Kelly was and still have not seen her.
iris lilies, I agree totally with you. I do not watch tv, but back in 08 Fox was the choice. Then I realized how sided and That whole "the Spin Stops here", seemed to be very far from the truth and I pulled the plug on my Tv time and Fox for sure. OK I did not even know who Ms Kelly was and still have not seen her.
From GQ, not FOX, in my effort to further promote sensationalism in the media.
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iris lilies
1-28-16, 11:06am
Perhaps this commonality is why he and Sarah are BFFs now.
ok, Ill admit, I laughed at this.;)
iris lilies
1-28-16, 11:11am
From GQ, not FOX, in my effort to further promote sensationalism in the media.
http://www.simplelivingforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=1565&stc=1
I dont have cable tv and when I am at my friend's house, where Fox plays constantly, there seems to be a parade of interchangeable blonde newscastors on Fox. Until this recent battle with Donald, I Could not have picked M Kelley out of a crowd. So theres that for her.
Williamsmith
1-28-16, 12:22pm
Nice chair.
Nice chair.
Oh, on third look, there is a chair.
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I've been reading these since Berke started pushing new ones out on Facebook. They've been awesome.
I have lost respect for him as a result of this. Let's see 1. If things don't go my way, I quit. 2. If I am not in control, I don't want to do it. 3. I do not like dealing with people who make me uncomfortable or refuse to lick my shoes 4. I don't have to because I am Donald Trump. 5. I will use veterans as an excuse and a political stunt. and I could go on and on
From GQ, not FOX, in my effort to further promote sensationalism in the media.
As disappointed as I've been with the candidates this year, you may have just found the idea person for me to write-in:)
gimmethesimplelife
1-28-16, 9:01pm
Oh, on third look, there is a chair.Ive seen better chairs Alan. Rob
Williamsmith
1-29-16, 7:04am
Last nights debate was the first one I've seen completely through to the end. It was refreshing hearing from Rand Paul and I thank The Moron Donald Trump for making it possible. Here we had something that more resembled a debate and not a shout down ad for Trump. My impressions:
Megyn Kelly was stunningly beautiful.
Nobody missed Mr. Trump.
Jeb Bush was obviously better prepared than ever and probably benefited most from Trumps boycott. Although he will never overcome his last name. The country has just had their fill of Bushs.
Cruz had to step and fetch quite cunningly to deny his flip flop on amnesty. I can't get past his snarky smile, his canned hand gestures and his confidence which has elements of arrogance. I don't trust him with the most powerful military in the world. Refer to his YouTube video cooking bacon on the barrel on an AR15. He may someday be President but not this time around.
Rubio is very adept at debating, comes prepared, is well read, knows the issues, has clear policy and would be a tolerable nominee. I don't know if he is able to beat Hillary. He is quite young. He will someday be the nominee. But not sure about this time. I do like him. I could vote for him but I wish he were a little less hawkish.
Carson looks lost. I was uncomfortable listening to him and waiting for him to say something on point. He should quit.
Kasich made some intelligent remarks but he should also quit.
Christy is good at picking up the pieces when two other candidates disagree but he is a one trick pony and a bad one at that. He will stick around because he knows how to say the rights things but he is a snake in the grass albeit a very well fed snake.
Rand Paul .....I like him the most because he suits my libertarian views. I thought he helped himself when given a chance. He is not flashy and compared to the others doesn't have the charisma necessary to garner votes. I would vote for him in a heartbeat. But he will never be the nominee. I also think it strange the fact that his father is not out there actively campaingning for him.
And the Elephant not in the room.......... Guys like him would have been picked on mercilessly in my neighborhood. He would have definitely had his lunch money stolen from him every day. If he becomes the nominee after skipping this debate out of spite.......it will be the end of the Republican Party. Trump is just a douche bag.
And the Elephant not in the room.......... Guys like him would have been picked on mercilessly in my neighborhood. He would have definitely had his lunch money stolen from him every day. If he becomes the nominee after skipping this debate out of spite.......it will be the end of the Republican Party. Trump is just a douche bag.
I am not Republican but I watch the entire scene. I don't think there is anyone who can overcome what Trump is doing unfortunately. If the party supports someone who skipped out on the debate that would be horrible to not just this election but the party in general. And if they don't then none of the other candidates are strong enough to overcome his BS. I don't feel great about this even as a Democrat,
I am not Republican but I watch the entire scene. I don't think there is anyone who can overcome what Trump is doing unfortunately. If the party supports someone who skipped out on the debate that would be horrible to not just this election but the party in general. And if they don't then none of the other candidates are strong enough to overcome his BS. I don't feel great about this even as a Democrat,
I'm less pessimistic than you are about Trump's inevitability. Many of the people who favor him have a history of poor turnout on election day. Still, this is an interesting period to be a Republican. As National Review puts it, we are being pulled in three directions:
"The 2016 presidential race has turned into an epic contest between the ethno-nationalist populism of Donald Trump and traditional conservatism, though in two varieties: the scorched-earth fundamentalist version of Ted Cruz, and a reformist version, represented by Marco Rubio (and several so-called establishment candidates) and articulated most fully by non-candidate Paul Ryan and a cluster of highly productive thinkers and policy wonks dubbed “reformicons.”"
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430452/republican-party-three-sides
The Democrats seem to have a simpler situation, with the Starbucks socialist movement pushing Mrs. Clinton's more traditional mix of identity politics and special interest pandering a few degrees left.
I'm less pessimistic than you are about Trump's inevitability. Many of the people who favor him have a history of poor turnout on election day. Still, this is an interesting period to be a Republican. As National Review puts it, we are being pulled in three directions:
The Democrats seem to have a simpler situation, with the Starbucks socialist movement pushing Mrs. Clinton's more traditional mix of identity politics and special interest pandering a few degrees left.
I am glad that they have low voter turnout, that helps me feel less pessimistic. I am totally liberal and Democrat however so I am not thrilled about the pandering comment, but the quote about the Republican options was about in the same tone. I respect people I don't agree with but I have never been out right scared of someone calling themselves Republican.
catherine
1-29-16, 12:45pm
I am independent because I could be persuaded to vote Republican by the right one. But it's been a LONG time since I've seen the right one. How did the Republican party turn into a collection of judgmental "fat white guys"--as my own fat white guy Republic husband calls them. That's OK, but these FWGs preach freedom while denying freedom to people they don't like.
Will McAvoy in the HBO series "The Newsroom" put it well:
Do you call yourself a Republican so you can make a claim to credibility when you attack the GOP?
Will McAvoy: No, I call myself a Republican 'cause I am one. I believe in market solutions, and I believe in common sense realities and the necessity to defend ourselves against a dangerous world and that's about it. Problem is now I have to be homophobic. I have to count the number of times people go to church. I have to deny facts and think scientific research is a long con. I have to think poor people are getting a sweet ride. And I have to have such a stunning inferiority complex that I fear education and intellect in the 21st century.
iris lilies
1-29-16, 12:51pm
I have a fantasy that Trump will lead an exodus out from the old politicos and go third party, doing what needs to be done by leading those who have interest in reducing the federal government. This will be a place where fresh ideas ( even though I am skeptical of that concept when applied to governance) and fresh candidates can be supported. Trump has the personality to do this.
in this case i would vote for him. He wont win, but he will have started up this new party. My boy Rand can be at the top of the heap and f not the next Presidential candidate, at least a rational voice in the new party.
of course we will get 4 more years of Demopubs in the 2016 electin in this scenario, but whatever. Somethng new and strong can build from it. Donald will fall by the wayside a fews years in.
I can hear the music swelling in the background now as I contemplate this scenario for a new and just Conservative party.
I am independent because I could be persuaded to vote Republican by the right one. But it's been a LONG time since I've seen the right one. How did the Republican party turn into a collection of judgmental "fat white guys"--as my own fat white guy Republic husband calls them. That's OK, but these FWGs preach freedom while denying freedom to people they don't like.
Will McAvoy in the HBO series "The Newsroom" put it well:
That's the sort of things Republicans say when liberal scriptwriters get to put words in their mouths.
catherine
1-29-16, 12:56pm
That's the sort of things Republicans say when liberal scriptwriters get to put words in their mouths.
I think Sorkin's description of the chasm in values that Republicans are falling into is pretty accurate, left-wing bias (by a registered Republican) notwithstanding.
Sorkin: “I'm a registered Republican, I only seem liberal because I believe that hurricanes are caused by high barometric pressure and not gay marriage.”
I am independent because I could be persuaded to vote Republican by the right one. But it's been a LONG time since I've seen the right one. How did the Republican party turn into a collection of judgmental "fat white guys"--as my own fat white guy Republic husband calls them. That's OK, but these FWGs preach freedom while denying freedom to people they don't like.
Will McAvoy in the HBO series "The Newsroom" put it well:
I am probably never going to switch over to Republican but I am glad there are some voices in there that go back to a couple core conservative stands and are calling out the stuff that has been tagged on in the last few years that have nothing to do with conservative politics. I am sure there are conservatives that are not even Christian!
Trump, on Smaug:
http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/27/donald-trump-let-me-tell-you-about-smaug/
Trump, on Smaug:
http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/27/donald-trump-let-me-tell-you-about-smaug/
That is funny. Darrell Hammond couldn't have done better.
Williamsmith
1-29-16, 4:05pm
It seems impossible that one relatively insignificant state compared to the others will possibly control the future of the Republican Party. If Iowa gives Trump a first place finish by say 10 points........it's over. No one will ever stop his momentum from there. I just have to believe that the people who caucus and vote are not that stupid. I will be alright with Trump winning Iowa if it is a real close contest. But if he holds on past South Carolina , oh boy.
It seems impossible that one relatively insignificant state compared to the others will possibly control the future of the Republican Party. If Iowa gives Trump a first place finish by say 10 points........it's over. No one will ever stop his momentum from there. I just have to believe that the people who caucus and vote are not that stupid. I will be alright with Trump winning Iowa if it is a real close contest. But if he holds on past South Carolina , oh boy.
That's why I'm so opposed to the way the primaries are conducted. Shoot, what choice will I have in June when my state primary is held? It doesn't make sense to me.
I think Sorkin's description of the chasm in values that Republicans are falling into is pretty accurate, left-wing bias (by a registered Republican) notwithstanding.
Sorkin: “I'm a registered Republican, I only seem liberal because I believe that hurricanes are caused by high barometric pressure and not gay marriage.”
Those are not Mr. Sorkin's sentiments. Those are words he wrote for a character on a television show. He himself in reality has supported the Democratic Party for many years.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2012/04/02/sorkin-newsroom-registered-republican/
He has made a good living writing bedtime stories for liberals in which clever Democrats best odious Republican straw men in situations invented by Mr. Sorkin.
The Storyteller
1-29-16, 5:30pm
It seems impossible that one relatively insignificant state compared to the others will possibly control the future of the Republican Party.
Control the future of one of the two major political parties? That doesn't sound all that insignificant to me.
Those are not Mr. Sorkin's sentiments. Those are words he wrote for a character on a television show. He himself in reality has supported the Democratic Party for many years.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2012/04/02/sorkin-newsroom-registered-republican/
He has made a good living writing bedtime stories for liberals in which clever Democrats best odious Republican straw men in situations invented by Mr. Sorkin.
I stand corrected. I thought maybe he was a Republican, because writers often project themselves in their heroes, and so since Will McAvoy is a Republican, I thought Sorkin might be also.
Sloppy reporting on my part, but I'll blame my 16 hour work day.
iris lilies
1-29-16, 6:05pm
Those are not Mr. Sorkin's sentiments. Those are words he wrote for a character on a television show. He himself in reality has supported the Democratic Party for many years.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2012/04/02/sorkin-newsroom-registered-republican/
He has made a good living writing bedtime stories for liberals in which clever Democrats best odious Republican straw men in situations invented by Mr. Sorkin.
Now that I'm retired I am going back in tv land to pick up some of the series I didnt watch when theynwere braodcast.
Rcently I tried an episode of West Wing. Just couldnt get through it. Thats too bad because I
Liked the characters and the actors. The writing was sharp. But did they really have to preach those liberal concept so stridently? And if wasnt just one liberal lesson per episode, it as multile lessons.
I think West Wing was a good show, but not a great show brcause of this. I may try it again, later, when Ive worked theough the entire cannon of highly rated shows.
I will also say that my friend and I tried Newsroom and couldnt get past the first 20 minutes. We thought it was contrived. I didn't know it was a Sorkin work.
Now that I'm retired I am going back in tv land to pick up some of the series I didnt watch when theynwere braodcast.
Rcently I tried an episode of West Wing. Just couldnt get through it. Thats too bad because I
Liked the characters and the actors. The writing was sharp. But did they really have to preach those liberal concept so stridently? And if wasnt just one liberal lesson per episode, it as multile lessons.
I think West Wing was a good show, but not a great show brcause of this. I may try it again, later, when Ive worked theough the entire cannon of highly rated shows.
I will also say that my friend and I tried Newsroom and couldnt get past the first 20 minutes. We thought it was contrived. I didn't know it was a Sorkin work.
It's funny, but certain shows I used to never miss (Hill Street Blues and Firefly come immediately to mind) leave me absolutely cold now. The big exception are the two Bob Newhart series. I can't get enough of that guy.
That's why I'm so opposed to the way the primaries are conducted. Shoot, what choice will I have in June when my state primary is held? It doesn't make sense to me.
Tell me about it. You and I live in two of the most populous states and our primary votes don't mean squat. And if Iowa wasn't so 'important' in the primaries the stupid corn subsidies and corn ethanol idiocy would've been gotten rid of a long time ago.
Williamsmith
1-30-16, 9:53am
Tell me about it. You and I live in two of the most populous states and our primary votes don't mean squat. And if Iowa wasn't so 'important' in the primaries the stupid corn subsidies and corn ethanol idiocy would've been gotten rid of a long time ago.
When Trump wins Iowa and New Hamshire (two really really important states) then he will be unstoppable.....and we will be on the fast track to electing a poster child for political capitalism.
Political capitalism is an economic and political system in which the economic and political elite cooperate for their mutual benefit. The economic elite influence the government's economic policies to use regulation, government spending, and the design of the tax system to maintain their elite status in the economy.
I thought this was pretty funny:
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/29/10868392/stephen-colbert-debate-donald-trump
When Trump wins Iowa and New Hamshire (two really really important states) then he will be unstoppable.....and we will be on the fast track to electing a poster child for political capitalism.
Political capitalism is an economic and political system in which the economic and political elite cooperate for their mutual benefit. The economic elite influence the government's economic policies to use regulation, government spending, and the design of the tax system to maintain their elite status in the economy.
If Trump wins the nomination I see that more as a fast track for Hilary, but regardless of who wins the election I think political capitalism is pretty well entrenched. Bernie would at least make the show more interesting to watch, but I have my reservations about his ability to implement his vision (if he were to get the chance).
Bernie would at least make the show more interesting to watch, but I have my reservations about his ability to implement his vision (if he were to get the chance).
At least Bernie has a vision.
Bernie appears to be a mensch--a man of conviction and character who is unswayed by the greed that poisons everything it touches in this country.
Bernie appears to be a mensch--a man of conviction and character who is unswayed by the greed that poisons everything it touches in this country.
He really is. His net worth is something like $360k. He is not speaking out of two sides of his mouth. Probably the ONLY politician in Washington who can say that, with the exception of maybe Cory Booker.
I see the New York Times has endorsed Clinton for the Democrats and John Kasich as "the only possible choice" for the Republicans.
I see the New York Times has endorsed Clinton for the Democrats and John Kasich as "the only possible choice" for the Republicans.
As a Republican, what do you think?
As a Republican, what do you think?
That Clinton (assuming the e-mail scandal develops no further) would be marginally less objectionable than Sanders, whose sense of rage seems to have clouded his sense of reality. It may be wishful thinking on my part, but I believe there is no way the country at large will follow him down the road he wants to take.
That I hope Marco Rubio will emerge after we pass through the current silly season of the campaign. Failing that, a desperate hope for a brokered convention and a "draft Paul Ryan" movement.
That Clinton (assuming the e-mail scandal develops no further) would be marginally less objectionable than Sanders, whose sense of rage seems to have clouded his sense of reality. It may be wishful thinking on my part, but I believe there is no way the country at large will follow him down the road he wants to take.
That I hope Marco Rubio will emerge after we pass through the current silly season of the campaign. Failing that, a desperate hope for a brokered convention and a "draft Paul Ryan" movement.
If I were Republican, Marco Rubio would be my choice. He's passionate, smart, and speaks intelligently to the issues. And is really a centrist in many ways.
Williamsmith
1-30-16, 10:35pm
I'm still hoping that Trump is simply a sideshow and Iowa will be much closer than is being reported. I hope that Rubio will be encouraged with his showing and Cruz underachieve. If Rubio makes a run, I look for something shocking to happen to Trump compliments of the establishment.
So is Trump going to win the nomination just because all these other candidates won't drop out? It seems like until the rest of field is reduced to "the other candidate", Trump is going to sweep these states just because the votes among the rest of the candidates will be divided.
Williamsmith
1-31-16, 2:57pm
Seems to me after South Carolina much of the consolidation will begin. Eh?
Seems to me after South Carolina much of the consolidation will begin. Eh?
That view would seem to be consistent with recent history. Rick Santorum won Iowa, but what did it get him?
Williamsmith
2-2-16, 8:00am
That view would seem to be consistent with recent history. Rick Santorum won Iowa, but what did it get him?
Trump got embarrassed in Iowa. Well he should feel that way but I am sure his psychosis protects him from feelings of inadequacy, being self critical and genuine reflection. So this would crush many candidates because a lackluster showing down of expectations would shut down the key thing that keeps a Campagne going: money. But Trump has money so on he goes and New Hampshire residents are closer to home. We will see how many friends the New York billionaire has there. It is turning out that the media has generated the buzz about Trump but Iowans were not as hypnotized as they thought. Critical thinking is still occurring in the population. Mad but not crazy mad.
Iowans failed to acknowledge his celebrity. He has a weak organization on the ground.
Rubio is surging. Cruz on the attack. The money is going to flowing to Rubio from the establishment.
Don't know if Trump,realizes it or not but he was run out of town on a rail last night. Just short of being tar and feathered. And his supporters are fair weather. A storm is brewing.
Trump got embarrassed in Iowa. Well he should feel that way but I am sure his psychosis protects him from feelings of inadequacy, being self critical and genuine reflection. So this would crush many candidates because a lackluster showing down of expectations would shut down the key thing that keeps a Campagne going: money. But Trump has money so on he goes and New Hampshire residents are closer to home. We will see how many friends the New York billionaire has there. It is turning out that the media has generated the buzz about Trump but Iowans were not as hypnotized as they thought. Critical thinking is still occurring in the population. Mad but not crazy mad.
Iowans failed to acknowledge his celebrity. He has a weak organization on the ground.
Rubio is surging. Cruz on the attack. The money is going to flowing to Rubio from the establishment.
Don't know if Trump,realizes it or not but he was run out of town on a rail last night. Just short of being tar and feathered. And his supporters are fair weather. A storm is brewing.
Very disappointing about Trump. I was really banking on him.
Cruz will do real lasting damage to this nation in a massive way.
Trump would just screw things up in ways that would be immediately obvious to the normally oblivious American public. Then they'd finally learn their lesson.
But a Cruz presidency would be a quiet toxin that further pollutes every part of this country's culture and politics.
But a Cruz presidency would be a quiet toxin that further pollutes every part of this country's culture and politics.
I truly don't believe a Cruz vs Clinton race will give us Cruz as President. I don't think the members of his party believe so either.
As much as I love Bernie, if it turned out to be Cruz vs Sanders, I'd be a more concerned about Cruz getting in.
Where did I read--was it someone in this forum who posted? There's a site that predicts election winners with very good statistical science and with very good accuracy says it will be Trump vs Clinton, and Clinton will win.
Trump got embarrassed in Iowa. Well he should feel that way but I am sure his psychosis protects him from feelings of inadequacy, being self critical and genuine reflection.
Iowans failed to acknowledge his celebrity. He has a weak organization on the ground.
g.
If he is a true narcissist then this is a huge narcissistic injury and that can be dangerous. I am speaking from experience in a close relationship however I wonder how this will play out on a large public scale.
I truly don't believe a Cruz vs Clinton race will give us Cruz as President. I don't think the members of his party believe so either.
As much as I love Bernie, if it turned out to be Cruz vs Sanders, I'd be a more concerned about Cruz getting in.
Where did I read--was it someone in this forum who posted? There's a site that predicts election winners with very good statistical science and with very good accuracy says it will be Trump vs Clinton, and Clinton will win.
For me, the best outcome (short of Sanders being nominated - he seems eminently defeatable) would be Clinton and Sanders to run neck and neck as long as possible before Clinton winning and generating as much acrimony as possible within the party. A few of the Sanders enthusiasts of my acquaintance have indicated they would rather not vote at all in the general election if he doesn't get the nod. And judging from some of the shouts of "liar" I heard from the Sanders crowd when Clinton referred to herself as a "fighting progressive" , that could reflect the views of a lot of Sanders voters.
Cruz expended a lot of his resources to win Iowa, so I'm hoping Rubio's long game strategy will pay off for him over the next few months.
iris lilies
2-2-16, 11:16am
I watched a couple hours of cable news coverage of the Iowa Caucuses at my friend's house. The coverage looked typical: major news networks set up in Des Moines with camera crews in Ames, Iowa City (Bernie land) and a random Des Moines suburb. They are all lazy. They fly into Des Mones, spread out a little along the I 80 corridor, and do their thing. Pack up and fly home. See ya in four years.
My brother is a campaign worker for Ted Cruz and this morning he posted a photo of himself and Cruz on Facebook. My brother is part of that strong organizatinal effort that got Cruz to the top.
All of this discussion is pointless. Hillary will be our next President. No one likes her, But shes it. Get used to it.
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All of this discussion is pointless. hillary will be our next President. No one likes her, But shes it. Get used to it.
No one likes Ted Cruz, either--especially the people who know him, apparently. Whatever happened to voting for the guy you wanted to have a beer with, anyway?
Ultralight
2-2-16, 12:01pm
No one likes Ted Cruz, either--especially the people who know him, apparently. Whatever happened to voting for the guy you wanted to have a beer with, anyway?
I don't know who is worse, Billary or Canadian Cruz!
All of this discussion is pointless. Hillary will be our next President. No one likes her, But shes it. Get used to it.
I hear Goldman Sachs, the House of Saud and AFSCME like her just fine. The DNC did their part by doing their best to keep their debates less visible than State Department emails. She's also quite popular with superdelegates.
I'd certainly agree she was the odds-on favorite at this point. But that's what they said in 2008. It could be that various scandals and her creepy campaign style could prove telling in the slog ahead.
Ultralight
2-2-16, 12:13pm
I hear Goldman Sachs, the House of Saud and AFSCME like her just fine. The DNC did their part by doing their best to keep their debates less visible than State Department emails. She's also quite popular with superdelegates.
I'd certainly agree she was the odds-on favorite at this point. But that's what they said in 2008. It could be that various scandals and her creepy campaign style could prove telling in the slog ahead.
Why I am feelin' the Bern!
Williamsmith
2-2-16, 12:21pm
IL...
.I'm going to hold you to this.
"All of this discussion is pointless. Hillary will be our next President. No one likes her, But shes it. Get used to it."
Rubio should not be under estimated. Why don't the Dems have a youthful candidate that can appeal to moderates in both sides? Where are they?
Ultralight
2-2-16, 12:22pm
IL...
.I'm going to hold you to this.
"All of this discussion is pointless. Hillary will be our next President. No one likes her, But shes it. Get used to it."
Rubio should not be under estimated. Why don't the Dems have a youthful candidate that can appeal to moderates in both sides? Where are they?
Billary is the moderate Dem.
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