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Well, Bernie lost with a respectable finish IMHO.
And look at Trump... unbelievable. CNN just projected him the winner, by a long lead. Now we have to just see who comes in second, and right now it's neck and neck between Cruz and Rubio.
rodeosweetheart
2-20-16, 9:16pm
Well, Bernie lost with a respectable finish IMHO.
And look at Trump... unbelievable. CNN just projected him the winner, by a long lead. Now we have to just see who comes in second, and right now it's neck and neck between Cruz and Rubio.
I think it will be Rubio. I must still be registered to vote in SC, as all week I have been getting robo calls for Cruz and Rubio, mostly Rubio. But wow, right now it is .2 percent difference between Cruz and Rubio.
Williamsmith
2-20-16, 9:42pm
Why is anyone surprised. For the last eight years white working class have been brutalized by both the Dems and the Republicans. This is punishment of the political establishment. Period. We the People are pissed. A good number of us.
ApatheticNoMore
2-21-16, 3:45am
Why is anyone surprised. For the last eight years white working class have been brutalized by both the Dems and the Republicans.
it's not just whites, black average net worth was hit tremendously hard by the recession of 2008 and has never recovered, blacks have lost a lot of ground, probably more than whites.
We the People are pissed. A good number of us.
anger itself may be justified, but anger doesn't justify doing anything and everything one could possibly imagine (if I was a Muslim in this country now, I'd be scared of all Trumps never ending hate for instance, not because of what Trump can and will personally do, which may not be much, but just the atmosphere he is creating).
lessisbest
2-21-16, 6:42am
Everyone in this country, and all our allies, should be scared of the possibility of a President Trump; and even MORE concerned of another Clinton - especially THIS Clinton. It goes waaaaaaaaaaaay beyond the political parties folks...... Do you really want someone who is more concerned with his big fat tantrum-throwing ego and "closing the deal" (at any costs), than the security of the country, or someone who's name should be linked to the likes of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg for passing information via Hillary's computer to the "enemy"....? All I know is, if either one of them win this horrific election, we'll be making some drastic changes in our household because of what the next 4 years will have in store.
rodeosweetheart
2-21-16, 8:27am
Everyone in this country, and all our allies, should be scared of the possibility of a President Trump; and even MORE concerned of another Clinton - especially THIS Clinton. It goes waaaaaaaaaaaay beyond the political parties folks...... Do you really want someone who is more concerned with his big fat tantrum-throwing ego and "closing the deal" (at any costs), than the security of the country, or someone who's name should be linked to the likes of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg for passing information via Hillary's computer to the "enemy"....? All I know is, if either one of them win this horrific election, we'll be making some drastic changes in our household because of what the next 4 years will have in store.
So are you saying that Hillary's email thing was spying, that she was trading information for something?
What drastic changes would you make in running your household?
Williamsmith
2-21-16, 9:18am
It's very nearly over for The Bern. He is going to get beat soundly in South Carolina and be on life support going into Super Tuesday. He can make it uncomfortable and long and drawn out but Clinton will be the nominee. There will be a real chance of sixties style civil unrest if Clinton is victorious in the election. Cronyism will be alive and well. She will feel emboldened to push further progressive policy which will irritate the Trump remnant.
Trump would have to perform an epic choke to not get the nomination. Voters who earlier would go with a different candidate are gradually getting used to his brash politics. Whether it is on purpose or just a consequence of his personality, many are filtering his statements and looking at his promises that address concerns. Illegal immigration is a big one and global trade inequality. Terrorism and a military locked in a fetal position push toward Trump. And he is gaining more credibility the longer this goes on. The media can't bring him down, the religious right can't drop him, the establishment has been bullied into submission. He's pretty much done everything he claimed he could do so far, making the country great again is not such an outrageous claim anymore. If he is still a clown, he is like a class clown....a lot of the students like him and he is not afraid to confront authority.
Trump is the only nominee that can beat Clinton. He is the only one representing something different. Really different. And a lot of voters who were on the fence are now climbing over to his side.
lessisbest
2-21-16, 10:17am
So are you saying that Hillary's email thing was spying, that she was trading information for something?
What drastic changes would you make in running your household?
I really do think Hillary was trading information for $$$$. And by-the-way, I voted for Bill - twice. I was especially concerned when I heard some of her e-mails also went to the Clinton Library and a server there - where who-knows-who had access to them? I appreciate the hard work Catherine Herridge has done on this subject. She deserves a Pulitzer Prize on this one. And we don't even get FOX on basic cable, so I'm not a FOX groupie.
Hubby will retire early along with several financial strategies that entails, but I won't go into detail on a message board. Hillary plans on taxing retirement funds, or probably just confiscate them (a plan that was in the works under Bill's administration - I remember hearing an interview with the professor who created the system years ago). Hillary will most certainly be handed Obama's "pen and phone" - and I think Trump would abuse them even more. Which will work better - socialism or tyranny? It will eventually become clear that you can't redistribute wealth no one has, as this country goes the way of the British Empire. As Margaret Thatcher said, “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
There will be a real chance of sixties style civil unrest if Clinton is victorious in the election.
Why do you say that? You expect Trump supporters to riot?
I'm still at a loss to explain how Trump has come to be seen as a representative of the Little Man. My perception of him is an abusive, multibillionaire blowhard with absolutely nothing in common with average people. My mind reels to think that people actually identify with this man, beyond identifying with his desire to throw a tantrum at the way things are going. Is that really enough to get him elected? Good grief. A nation of three year olds with Bluto as their leader.
ETA: WilliamSmith I'm still not sure if you're actually a trump fan or just playing devil's advocate. If you actually do support the man, my apologies for the above, it wasn't directed at you. I'm still at a loss to understand why you would support Trump, but I don't see you as a tantrum-throwing toddler.
Why is anyone surprised. For the last eight years white working class have been brutalized by both the Dems and the Republicans. This is punishment of the political establishment. Period. We the People are pissed. A good number of us.
The brutalization has been going on for quite a bit longer than 8 years. It started with Bill Clinton turning the democrats into republican-lites.
We the People are pissed. A good number of us.
I can put myself in that camp. I have to say that I think it's very undemocratic for Hillary to snag all those delegates in NH when Bernie got the popular vote by a long shot. I was a huge Clinton fan from 94-2000, but now I just see them as Part of the Problem in terms of just bulldozing their way, in plain view or in back rooms, to get Hillary in the White House.
I remember when we had the discussion about "is it your duty to vote" and the thinking of a couple people like bae saying sometimes it's your duty NOT to vote, and I'd be tempted to exercise my right to NOT vote in this election given everything that has gone on, although if push comes to shove, I would probably write in Bernie. DH says he'll vote for Trump for the same reason he would also vote for Sanders: shake up the establishment because that's what it needs.
ApatheticNoMore
2-21-16, 2:47pm
My mind reels to think that people actually identify with this man, beyond identifying with his desire to throw a tantrum at the way things are going. Is that really enough to get him elected? Good grief. A nation of three year olds with Bluto as their leader.
yea if people vote for him no matter what he stands for (and it gets worse by the day, the hate toward Muslims escalates by the minute) just because they are angry, the comparison to a bunch of 5 year olds occurred to me as well (I mean if I have to explain anger, even if you have good reasons to be angry, doesn't justify taking it out on those that had NOTHING to do with it, like your Muslim neighbor, I feel like I'm parenting 5 year olds or something - what a way to run a country!).
Maybe it is authoritarian types who vote for him as I've heard (and unfortunately there are a lot I guess). It's not of course that Trump is 100% wrong on everything, but just that on some level it doesn't even make sense to analyze Trump on his positions. He is creating an atmosphere of hate and fear for people like Muslims, he is truly sincere on almost nothing he advocates as he changes position by the minute (he was for single payer, before he was against it), he doesn't even say anything coherent most of the time (read him at the debates, he is the least coherent of them all, one might think the others are wrong and even lie, but all of Trumps words come out of nowhere, out of some narcissistic non-sequitor). He's just a narcissist.
Williamsmith
2-21-16, 3:15pm
kib,
In my perfect world Rand Paul would still be in the race. Can I support Trump? Don't know what entails support. I know this...he is starting to get my attention. I also get satisfaction knowing the establishment politicians and super pac lobbyists are shaking in their boots at the prospect of Trump running the table. He is putting his money where his mouth is and is beholden to no one. I get further satisfaction thinking about getting control of our border and putting it to the Chinese. I want our citizens to produce again and pay off our debt. He's far from perfect but at least he's not a proven corrupt politician or a suspected felon. If it means no Clinton, then I can vote for Trump. I reserve the right to call him a nitwit.
Since no one has any idea what Trump really thinks (other than he believes he's really smart and really rich), I'm less afraid of him than I am of his churchy rivals, the gynoticians. It would be fascinating to watch what he does if he should win. Maybe he will actually show some management skills and put together a solid team.That said, I'll be voting for Bernie--or Hillary if it comes to that. Xenophobia is not my thing.
iris lilies
2-21-16, 3:22pm
kib,
In my perfect world Rand Paul would still be in the race. Can I support Trump? Don't know what entails support. I know this...he is starting to get my attention. I also get satisfaction knowing the establishment politicians and super pac lobbyists are shaking in their boots at the prospect of Trump running the table. He is putting his money where his mouth is and is beholden to no one. I get further satisfaction thinking about getting control of our border and putting it to the Chinese. I want our citizens to produce again and pay off our debt. He's far from perfect but at least he's not a proven corrupt politician or a suspected felon. If it means no Clinton, then I can vote for Trump. I reserve the right to call him a nitwit.
Fortunately Rand is still on the ballot in my state, so I might vote for him. Of course he has exited the race, but the ballots are set. The establishment will think I am just another idiot voter who has not realized that my candidate is no longer viable, but I dont care.
I can put myself in that camp. I have to say that I think it's very undemocratic for Hillary to snag all those delegates in NH when Bernie got the popular vote by a long shot...
I cant help it, I have to post this. It is the funniest meme Ive seen so far in the political race. Maybe its because Chris Farley was so sweet, I dont know, but I find this very funny.
1571
Today's delegate count:
Hilary: 502
Bernie: 70
The press is being quite deceitful when pointing out that Hillary has 502 delegates. Those aren't NH delegates, that number includes the total number of super-delegates nationwide (I assume there are some that don't live in DC) that have either pledged for her or at least vaguely said at some point "yeah, I'm for Hillary because I'm an establishment robot". The obvious purpose of including them in delegate totals reported is to dissuade the average voter from seriously considering Bernie.
And the likelihood that the super-delegates would ultimately ignore the will of the primary voters is slim. This article sums it up, as follows. Bernie supporters won't quietly let the convention nominate Hillary by the use of super-delegates if Bernie has a majority of unexceptional-delegates. And Clinton, in that scenario, runs the real risk that voters like me will just stay home on November 8th if they pull a stunt like that at the convention.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/18/superdelegates-wont-save-hillary-clinton-from-bernie-sanders/
rosarugosa
2-21-16, 4:48pm
JP1: I wouldn't stay home, but I can envision myself voting for Bernie as a write-in. I wouldn't want to be mistaken for someone who couldn't be bothered to vote.
Hopefully it won't be necessary. If Hillary wins the nomination fair and square (well, at least as fair and square as any election is) then I will hold my nose and vote for her. But if she gets the nomination via super-delegates I just don't think I have enough strength in my fingers to keep that stench out of my nose.
And I'd still vote. Just not for president. I've voted in just about every election since becoming eligible, starting with an election shortly after I turned 18 where the only thing on the ballot was a sewer bond initiative. (I voted yes. I don't recall if it passed or not.)
. . . I want our citizens to produce again and pay off our debt.
Except Trump's own tax plan would cost $12 Trillion over the next 10 years. Seriously adding to the deficit, and once again skewed towards the 1%, according to the conservative Tax Foundation.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/tax-group-trump-tax-plan-would-cost-12-trillion-n435666
If it comes down to Sanders/Trump, I'd consider voting for Sanders *perhaps* over some third-party candidate.
If it is Hillary/Trump, I will vote third-party, as usual.
I just can't see myself voting for any of the leading Republican candidates, or the Democratic-machine candidate.
I cant help it, I have to post this. It is the funniest meme Ive seen so far in the political race. Maybe its because Chris Farley was so sweet, I dont know, but I find this very funny.
1571
Today's delegate count:
Hilary: 502
Bernie: 70
Haha!!! That is funny, IL! I also loved Chris Farley, and loved the interview with Paul McCartney... that was AWESOME! :)
ApatheticNoMore
2-22-16, 5:32am
Hillary the "lesser evil" (against Trump or someone - certainly Bernie is by far the real lesser evil), doubtful, but even if she was against say Trump, years and years of "lesser evils", and thus things getting worse and worse in dozens of ways, have paved the way for the greater evil of people like Trump and will KEEP doing so.
I don't defend people voting for Trump, any more than I would defend a terrorist tired of meddling in the middle east blowing up a bunch of innocents (because after all they are very very angry! And they even have reason to be). Which is to say I don't defend it AT ALL, but I recognize the linkage.
Trump is already making international enemies and I do not trust him to make wise decisions that could affect national security. His comments about Apple lead me to think he may not respect citizen privacy and his support of torture raises humanitarian issues. Pile that on top of his already conservative platform and the fact that he is a blow hard whose veracity routinely fails fact checking, and I will vote for any reasonable opposition. My vote may be insignificant, but I would not squander it away on any underdog third party in spite of a temptation to write in Megyn Kelly.
Williamsmith
2-22-16, 9:17am
To my knowledge Hillary Clinton has been in politics ever since she graduated Yale Law School, which is to say forever. Legal assistant, wife to a governor, First Lady, Senator, and Secretary of State. As such, she has been an integral part of making America what it is today, which is to say a great mess. If you are satisfied with this direction then I don't defend it but I recognize the linkage. Many many of your fellow citizens don't.
See the progress has been made at the expense of Trumps supporters. All they are doing is pushing back and it is because it has not been humble progress. It has been, In Your Face, progress. Well, it is time for a showdown and winner take all.
I don't always agree with Paul Krugman, but typically enjoy his comments.
The thing is, one of the two men who may still have a good chance of becoming the Republican nominee is a scary character. His notions on foreign policy seem to boil down to the belief that America can bully everyone into doing its bidding, and that engaging in diplomacy is a sign of weakness. His ideas on domestic policy are deeply ignorant and irresponsible, and would be disastrous if put into effect.
The other man, of course, has very peculiar hair.
If it comes down to Sanders/Trump, I'd consider voting for Sanders *perhaps* over some third-party candidate.
If it is Hillary/Trump, I will vote third-party, as usual.
I just can't see myself voting for any of the leading Republican candidates, or the Democratic-machine candidate.
Ready to pitch my tent in the same camp, bae. I'll bring bourbon if you'll bring oysters.
Teacher Terry
2-22-16, 12:55pm
IF Bernie wins I will vote for him and if not then Hillary. It awaysl amazes me how intelligent people can believe utter garbage. For instance, my chiro-a very smart man was convinced that if Obama won there would be death panels and old people would be denied medical care, etc. Did that happen? It is the same as believing the government will take your retirement funds. I can't believe how paranoid people can be. Trump would be scary because he knows nothing about doing the job and has so much hate for so many groups.
there is a quiz "Isidewith" it told me that my #1 was Bernie, #2 Trump. Now I do not like Trump, so all this quiz tells me is that I am
"anti-establishment." I think many of us are after years of being sold out.
Miss Cellane
2-22-16, 1:15pm
"In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve."
Do we really deserve Trump?
Dear Deity.
I have an in-law who is Muslim and a naturalized US citizen. She's already planning not to return to the US if Trump becomes president. Can you blame her? Goodness, she's Muslim! and an immigrant!
Trump plays on fears, and people's pocketbooks. He has little knowledge of the workings of government, has already forced the British parliament to debate banning him from the country, and been vocal enough that the Pope spoke up about him (which I think has happened only one other time, with a different Pope and Bill Clinton and abortion).
With Trump as President, we will be the laughing stock of the entire world.
Ultralight
2-22-16, 1:32pm
"In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve."
Very true!
Do we really deserve Trump?
Yes, the vast majority of Americans deserve Trump. The small minority of us that don't will still have to deal with the consequences anyway. I think it'll be worth it though, because Americans need to learn a tough lesson.
With Trump as President, we will be the laughing stock of the entire world.
No, the world will not laugh; it will fear.
"In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve."
Do we really deserve Trump?
Dear Deity.
I have an in-law who is Muslim and a naturalized US citizen. She's already planning not to return to the US if Trump becomes president. Can you blame her? Goodness, she's Muslim! and an immigrant!
Trump plays on fears, and people's pocketbooks. He has little knowledge of the workings of government, has already forced the British parliament to debate banning him from the country, and been vocal enough that the Pope spoke up about him (which I think has happened only one other time, with a different Pope and Bill Clinton and abortion).
With Trump as President, we will be the laughing stock of the entire world.
How can Trump "force" Parliament to debate anything?
iris lilies
2-22-16, 5:44pm
How can Trump "force" Parliament to debate anything?
We likely do not know the full power of the hair. The hair, mega powerful. Or mega something.
We likely do not know the full power of the hair. The hair, mega powerful. Or mega something.
That is funny! Like Samson. Maybe we should get Hillary to waft in like Delilah when he's sleeping and cut his hair, and all his power will be gone!
How can Trump "force" Parliament to debate anything?He can't, but local social justice warriors can. It seems that Parliament must provide reasonable debate on any public petition with the requisite number of signatures. I watched the proceedings just for the simple irony of observing such an august body debate permanently banning someone from their country for the crime of suggesting someone be temporarily banned from another country. It was interesting.
Williamsmith
2-22-16, 8:14pm
When he is President Trump it will be even more interesting.
Miss Cellane
2-22-16, 11:39pm
How can Trump "force" Parliament to debate anything?
Trump so outraged many British citizens with his statements about Muslims that a petition was started to ban Trump from the UK. The petition got over the 100,000 signatures it needed, so Parliament was required to debate the issue. So not Trump himself forcing Parliament, but Trump upsetting people enough to cause this.
I just discovered this: http://woodtv.com/2016/02/18/canadian-island-welcomes-americans-if-trump-wins/
Basically, there's a small Canadian island that needs to bolster its population, and if Trump winds up as President, the island will open its doors to US citizens fleeing from the madness. It's only a 12 hour drive from here, and since my great-grandfather landed in Nova Scotia after leaving Scotland, it would be like returning to my roots, sort of. It's more tempting than you know . . . .
Does moving to Cape Breton Island get you a fast-track Canadian citizenship? Because, well, I could handle that. Trump or no Trump.
iris lilies
2-23-16, 12:41am
Trump so outraged many British citizens with his statements about Muslims that a petition was started to ban Trump from the UK. The petition got over the 100,000 signatures it needed, so Parliament was required to debate the issue. So not Trump himself forcing Parliament, but Trump upsetting people enough to cause this.
I just discovered this: http://woodtv.com/2016/02/18/canadian-island-welcomes-americans-if-trump-wins/
Basically, there's a small Canadian island that needs to bolster its population, and if Trump winds up as President, the island will open its doors to US citizens fleeing from the madness. It's only a 12 hour drive from here, and since my great-grandfather landed in Nova Scotia after leaving Scotland, it would be like returning to my roots, sort of. It's more tempting than you know . . . .
I read the FAQ carefully and I didnt see any special provision for Canadian citizenship taking place through this effort. If you want to i migrate there get to n line and go,theough normal channels.
They seem to be capitalizing on anti Trump sentiment to advertise their island.
I read the FAQ carefully and I didnt see any special provision for Canadian citizenship taking place through this effort. If you want to i migrate there get to n line and go,theough normal channels.
They seem to be capitalizing on anti Trump sentiment to advertise their island.
Boo. It's a lovely place though. Heck.
Williamsmith
2-23-16, 5:12am
If this snowballs........Canada may have to build a wall and make Trump pay for it.
The whole moving to Canada thing has become tiresome in the extreme. I wish people would find a better cliche to express their contempt for whoever they currently dislike, whether it's the feared Trumpocolypse or Red Bernie's 1930's Revival Tour.
Maritimers have fun in so many ways. When push comes to shove, they open their hearts as they did in the airport shutdown after 9/11.
catherine
2-23-16, 11:28am
If this snowballs........Canada may have to build a wall and make Trump pay for it.
The whole moving to Canada thing has become tiresome in the extreme. I wish people would find a better cliche to express their contempt for whoever they currently dislike, whether it's the feared Trumpocolypse or Red Bernie's 1930's Revival Tour.
haha! You guys are so funny!
I looked into emigrating when I retired. I was this close to quaiifying. I should have tried harder...
They'll ruin Cape Breton!
Following the news and talking heads, it's pretty clear that the only thing that scares the republican establishment more than a Trump presidency is a Cruz Presidency. I can certainly see this. Cruz is dangerous and complete bonkers. He has shown absolutely zero concern for the country and economy and would work to destroy it from within as he has from the Senate. When everyone , even in your own party, hates you, it's time we believe that they got something there. No one wants to work with this guy, at all, and for once i comment the right for calling out one of their own. Unfortunately, knowing the track record of the GOP, this guy must REALLY be scary and dangerous or they wouldn't do this.
This is how I see it. Trump and Cruz are way ahead of everyone else, or at least everyone left. (Why is Carson still in this???) The establishment doesn't want TRump, but they really don't want Cruz. I think they are desperately looking for some way to knock Cruz out, either by 'discovering' something from his past, or planting serious doubt, whatever. They need to get rid of him, sooner rather than later, so Rubio can move up to second place. Then they will just pray that Rubio can pull it off. Knock Trump out.
This is how I see it. Trump and Cruz are way ahead of everyone else, or at least everyone left. (Why is Carson still in this???) The establishment doesn't want TRump, but they really don't want Cruz. I think they are desperately looking for some way to knock Cruz out, either by 'discovering' something from his past, or planting serious doubt, whatever. They need to get rid of him, sooner rather than later, so Rubio can move up to second place. Then they will just pray that Rubio can pull it off. Knock Trump out.
Cruz's record is that of a constitutionalist. No elected national official is in favor of a strict constitutionalist as that limits their ability to play one group against another. I really don't understand the Trump phenomenon and can only speculate that a certain subset of people really like their reality TV.
What bothers me most about the Republican side is that we started with too many people actively seeking the nomination. I have to believe that if we were down to 3 at this point, Trump would not enjoy the advantage he's currently maintaining. Of all the remainders, I'm a Cruz fan, mainly because the party elite are so scared of him, although I'm beginning to think Rubio is the smart pick. If Rubio would offer Kasich the VP slot in return for dropping out now and Carson would realize he doesn't have a chance and simply drop out, I'd be willing to bet that the Donald would be dead in his tracks as I just can't see anyone else's supporters going over to him.
I suppose there is a caveat to that though, if Bernie suddenly drops way behind Hillary I think many of his supporters could get behind the Donald. If that happened, the Donald would be unstoppable.
Cruz's record is that of a constitutionalist. No elected national official is in favor of a strict constitutionalist as that limits their ability to play one group against another. I really don't understand the Trump phenomenon and can only speculate that a certain subset of people really like their reality TV.
What bothers me most about the Republican side is that we started with too many people actively seeking the nomination. I have to believe that if we were down to 3 at this point, Trump would not enjoy the advantage he's currently maintaining. Of all the remainders, I'm a Cruz fan, mainly because the party elite are so scared of him, although I'm beginning to think Rubio is the smart pick. If Rubio would offer Kasich the VP slot in return for dropping out now and Carson would realize he doesn't have a chance and simply drop out, I'd be willing to bet that the Donald would be dead in his tracks as I just can't see anyone else's supporters going over to him.
I suppose there is a caveat to that though, if Bernie suddenly drops way behind Hillary I think many of his supporters could get behind the Donald. If that happened, the Donald would be unstoppable.
Kasich is the only sane one of the group. No, I would't vote for him cause I don't go for his ideas and policies, but he seems to be the only one actually running on policies and platform as opposed to pandering and rhetoric...which would explain why he is so low in the numbers. That's a shame too, cause there are real differences in the parties and certainly enough to vote on without the histrionics.
Ted Cruz is a strict constitutionalist...until he isn't. LOL Supreme court Justice anyone? Buller? Buller?
If he loves the constitution so much, you'd think he'd be jumping at the chance to do his constitutional duty. And proud of the President for insisting on doing his.
Funny how the constitution is suddenly an unnecessary inconvenience when it's Cruz's turn to follow it.
Ultralight
2-24-16, 11:54am
...if Bernie suddenly drops way behind Hillary I think many of his supporters could get behind the Donald. If that happened, the Donald would be unstoppable.
Yup! Me!
Ted Cruz is a strict constitutionalist...until he isn't. LOL Supreme court Justice anyone? Buller? Buller?
Yeah, I was disappointed in that instance of hyperbolic pandering. He sounded like a Democrat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1SUn0zTGUQ
Williamsmith
2-24-16, 1:33pm
Cruz did to Carson what he has done to everyone he disagrees with. Instead of finding common ground he erected a barrier, alienated Carson and pissed him off. I speak of the Iowa fiasco. An apology was in order. But then attorneys and debaters like Cruz do not apologize because he is a "Man of principle." Cruz will stick to a course of action even though it evolves into the wrong course of action. So now he pays the price. Carson can afford to stay in the race and hold onto votes that would/could go to Cruz. We don't know what those percentages are but judging from their similarities it would seem to be substantial. So Carson sticks it to Cruz and stays in as long as he can. That is why.
The whole moving to Canada thing has become tiresome in the extreme. I wish people would find a better cliche to express their contempt for whoever they currently dislike, whether it's the feared Trumpocolypse or Red Bernie's 1930's Revival Tour.
LOL!!!
Yeah, I was disappointed in that instance of hyperbolic pandering. He sounded like a Democrat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1SUn0zTGUQ
Oh Alan Alan Alan....if only you had stuck around for the whole speech, you would have heard, in his very next paragraph, him calling for congress and the President to work together to rise above the politics of it all and find a good pick.
First, make note that he 'called' for a small delay, just until after the elections...not for a complete dereliction of duty. But, there wasn't actually a vacancy so, hypothetical.
Second, there was no nomination in play. There was no vacancy and this was all hypothetical. And yeah, Biden, along with the other democrats, voted for all Bush's picks that he made to courts. They didn't stone wall on any. And they certainly didn't try to de-legitimize him as the sitting President by demanding we 'wait' until someone else was President.
Third, this was like in July, just a very few months before the election. A different time frame. But of course, as we noted, there wasn't actually a vacancy so, hypothetical.
But, nice try Alan.>8)
Oh Alan Alan Alan.....blah blah blah
I know, when Republicans repeat Democratic talking points it's infinitely worse.
I know, when Republicans repeat Democratic talking points it's infinitely worse.
Oh yes. Biden in '92 and Schumer in '07 were talking about completely different things.
The same standard applies to the filibuster, which can be a sacred tradition or an outmoded abuse depending on how many Senate votes you can muster.
In politics, as in life, our principles are often driven by our interests.
In politics, as in life, our principles are often driven by our interests.
A perusal of this could be of assistance:
http://bookworship.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/theory-of-justice.jpg
A perusal of this could be of assistance:
http://bookworship.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/theory-of-justice.jpg
Yes. Clearly our political class has managed to pierce the "veil of ignorance" and taken a more situational approach to ethics.
Teacher Terry
2-24-16, 5:16pm
New turn of events today which I find very cool. The White House is vetting Bryan Sandoval the Nevada Governor for the supreme court appt. Now I know they vet many people but he is a moderate Republican that both Dem's and REp's love in Nevada. It actually would be perfect because on the court he could lean different ways on cases. I think it would be great balance and before he was the governor he had a lifetime appt to the district court. I think they would find hard to say no to one of their own.
Ultralight
2-24-16, 5:19pm
New turn of events today which I find very cool. The White House is vetting Bryan Sandoval the Nevada Governor for the supreme court appt. Now I know they vet many people but he is a moderate Republican that both Dem's and REp's love in Nevada. It actually would be perfect because on the court he could lean different ways on cases. I think it would be great balance and before he was the governor he had a lifetime appt to the district court. I think they would find hard to say no to one of their own.
Typical Obama.
This is another reason why I regret voting for him.
Yes. Clearly our political class has managed to pierce the "veil of ignorance" and taken a more situational approach to ethics.
Yup. I have little use for such people.
New turn of events today which I find very cool. The White House is vetting Bryan Sandoval the Nevada Governor for the supreme court appt. Now I know they vet many people but he is a moderate Republican that both Dem's and REp's love in Nevada. It actually would be perfect because on the court he could lean different ways on cases. I think it would be great balance and before he was the governor he had a lifetime appt to the district court. I think they would find hard to say no to one of their own.
That would be one of the smarter moves the President could make, assuming he doesn't get a lot of resistance within his own party.
Ultralight
2-24-16, 5:24pm
That would be one of the smarter moves the President could make, assuming he doesn't get a lot of resistance within his own party.
LDAHL saying this is a bad sign for the liberal cause!
Typical Obama.
This is another reason why I regret voting for him.
Don't beat yourself up.
Maybe it's just a head fake.
LDAHL saying this is a bad sign for the liberal cause!
You might want to look into what happens, quite often, when someone is appointed to the Supreme Court - in particular, the tendency for them to move to a centrist position and actually do their job with integrity, even if starting out from a fairly partisan corner...
I don't care who gets appointed, as long as they can do the job.
LDAHL saying this is a bad sign for the liberal cause!
I don't see it that way. There's no way he'd get another flaming liberal through in this atmosphere. It's a way to sow confusion in the Republican camp. It could leave a GOP-held Governor's slot up for grabs. And it's one less slot for his successor to fill, whether that's a Republican or one of his two frenemies running on the Donkey ticket.
Tactically, the move has a lot to recommend it.
If I were Obama, I'd strongly consider appointing this judge:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryanne_Trump_Barry
Teacher Terry
2-24-16, 5:39pm
The dem's are not going to object I don't think. Reid is supporting him. I think it is a smart move because Sandoval is an ethical, honest person that everyone loves. I am a liberal but I like the court to have balance and i see him as being very fair. Bae is also right that justice's often change with the times which is good. We don't want them to be puppets for their own party.
If he really wants to make some mischief, he'll nominate Mitch McConnell.
If he really wants to make some mischief, he'll nominate Mitch McConnell.
Game. Set. Match.
I see Sandoval has spoiled the fun by saying he doesn't wish to be considered.
Teacher Terry
2-25-16, 6:29pm
It didn't say that on our local news last night.
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