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rodeosweetheart
3-4-16, 7:07pm
We just got back from a Bernie rally and we stood in line for 2.5 hours and we still only able to get into the overflow room.
Then, he came into the overflow room and addressed us separately because we had stood so long in line. The turnout was probably double what they expected.
It was a wonderful experience--he is fantastic and completely personable, and a real class act.
So glad to have had this opportunity--if you get the chance, it is worth standing in line to hear him speak.
I am on an incredible high right now--this rally was only planned since yesterday (!) and thousands of people standing in line for a chance to get in and hear him speak live.
I'm jealous. Nothing like that will ever happen here because my state doesn't matter.
I'm jealous. Nothing like that will ever happen here because my state doesn't matter.
I think we hold our primaries after the general election :-(
I agree that Bernie is a class act. Anything approaching character is rare in a politician. Most of them are--by necessity--whores. (With apologies to sex workers everytwhere...)
The thing I like about Bernie is that "Bernie" wasn't just something invented to campaign on. As far as I've been able to hear his message has been very consistent over many years.
freshstart
3-5-16, 10:54am
I love Bernie and all that he stands for. I have been watching him since his earliest VT days. I truly believe with cooperation he could turn this country around. I am, however, sick to death of Trump supporters making fun of me for supporting Bernie. Apparently, I am naive and ignorant and yet they are the ones voting for a narcissistic, bigot with no political experience.
I doubt I will see him as my state doesn't matter either.
rodeosweetheart
3-5-16, 11:18am
Apparently, we could have gone to see either Trump OR Sanders yesterday. The Trump plane was at our airport, and when Bernie landed, he was parked right next to it. Trump's plane was too big for the airport in Cadillac.
Not that I would have driven anywhere or stood in line to see Trump. But the funny thing was, we just missed getting into the main room of the venue because they had double the people that would fit, and they put us in an overflow room. They told us that Bernie would come say hello to us in the overflow room. But what he did was to come and speak to us first, for about 5 minutes, to thank us for waiting in line and apologize that the venue wasn't big enough. As we were walking out, I said to my husband, it was so classy that he came to talk to us first, before going into the big room with the concert stage. I said, if that was Trump, he would probably be making fun of us in the overflow room.
So this morning I looked at the video of the Trump rally yesterday, and darned if he did not start out exactly that way--laughing at the people who were standing outside, telling the people in the main hall that he would go talk to those people outside for 5 minutes at the end of the program, that the people inside were the ones that counted.
What a difference. Bernie is pure class.
And he is funny, too--he told us all to get out and vote in our primary on March 15 and we all yelled. "it's the 8th:" and he laughed and he said "Don't go out and vote on the 15th" and he was relaxed, and able to laugh at himself.
What a great guy he is. Extremely charismatic and nice.
that's so funny about Trump and the people outside, you called that one!
Teacher Terry
3-5-16, 3:55pm
Bernie came here as did Dick Van Dyke and Susan Sarandon. A friend was at a rally. I guess susan also went to a local muffin shop and hung out with the customers.
Susan Sarandon has done a lot of stumping for Bernie. Unfortunately, the media is still ignoring him. Mother Jones is clearly biased against him/for Hillary. I just signed a petition to NPR asking them to give equal time to Bernie.
And I'm pretty sure Hillary has something worked out with CNN, based on how they have reported the debates.
Speaking of Hillary, did you see her Super Tuesday speech? It was Bernie all over. You'd think he had written it for her. So aggravating.
gimmethesimplelife
3-5-16, 7:14pm
I agree that Bernie is a class act. Anything approaching character is rare in a politician. Most of them are--by necessity--whores. (With apologies to sex workers everytwhere...)LOL very funny. Good one Jane and a good point, too. Rob
rodeosweetheart
3-5-16, 8:30pm
Thanks, Catherine, for the heads up on the NPR petition, which I just signed.
Thanks, Catherine, for the heads up on the NPR petition, which I just signed.
Cool! You're welcome! And thanks for volunteering to the campaign!
ETA: I'm watching the Super Saturday results and they were reporting on Bernie's lead in Kansas, but I swear CNN is biased. They announced that in one precinct Bernie had 69%, but they closed the report with "It was interesting, when they took the first vote there were 6 people who were undecided and they gave speeches and they all went to the Hillary side, and then there was another speech and one person went from Bernie's side to Hillary's side." Big deal!! What's the point?? Unless you're trying to tell people that they should switch from Bernie to Hillary. Arghh..
rosarugosa
3-5-16, 11:54pm
Thanks for mentioning the NPR petition. I just signed and shared on FB.
Teacher Terry
3-6-16, 2:45pm
My son went to the caucus in Kansas yesterday and 4x's the # of people showed up then would fit in the building so they all had to vote and leave. Bernie won by 65%.
ApatheticNoMore
3-6-16, 3:07pm
I'm jealous. Nothing like that will ever happen here because my state doesn't matter.
the only way Bernie Sanders could win is probably if states like California go for him, the early southern states don't (nor will they be anything but red in the general). Of course that is a long shot given it's a winner take all state that I believe went for Hillary in 2008. Of course the system is screwed up and unfair, two fairer systems would be: 1) one day national primary or 2) alternating which states or which region goes first in the primary: the south when it's their turn, the northeast, the northwest, the southwest, the midwest etc.. (so that every 4 years a different bunch went first).
But it is the system that is, corrupt and rigged as it is, and Bernie's only chance may be to pick up the latter states.
As for NPR, signing a position seems so naive, as they have donors that donate more than "listeners like you" or whatever, and the donors push them in certain directions. So do signatures trade at a 1-1 exchange rate with federal reserve notes?
I haven’t perceived any sort of news drought on the Sanders campaign, although I haven’t been following him with any particular interest. His message of “the game is rigged but by taxing the rich to pay for massive new spending programs and abrogating trade deals I can increase GDP growth to over 5% and make the middle class prosper” seems pretty much known. I’m not sure how many times it bears repeating, when the media can attract many more eyeballs with the GOP gladiatorial contest.
Ultralight
3-7-16, 10:48am
Anyone seen those sweet little, minimalist Bernie tattoos?!
Susan Sarandon has done a lot of stumping for Bernie. Unfortunately, the media is still ignoring him.
There seems to be a lot of PC pressure in some industries to keep good thoughts of Bernie to yourself. Susan Sarandon was quoted as saying that Bernie supporters in Hollywood feel its safer to remain non-committal, fearing retribution from the Hollywood power elite or from the Clinton campaign.
"You know, there’s a lot of people I’ve talked to who are afraid,” she told The Hollywood Reporter. “They say ‘I am definitely supporting him, but I’m afraid to come out’ because either I am woman and I don’t want to get shamed — because that has been a big part of what the response has been — or they say, ‘I am just waiting to see what happens.’"
Ultralight
3-7-16, 12:49pm
There seems to be a lot of PC pressure in some industries to keep good thoughts of Bernie to yourself. Susan Sarandon was quoted as saying that Bernie supporters in Hollywood feel its safer to remain non-committal, fearing retribution from the Hollywood power elite or from the Clinton campaign.
I don't really care much for the Hollywood Elite.
There seems to be a lot of PC pressure in some industries to keep good thoughts of Bernie to yourself. Susan Sarandon was quoted as saying that Bernie supporters in Hollywood feel its safer to remain non-committal, fearing retribution from the Hollywood power elite or from the Clinton campaign.
Yes, I saw that she said she's getting pressure from women saying that she has to vote for a woman, and she tells them that she doesn't vote with her v..
Yes, I saw that she said she's getting pressure from women saying that she has to vote for a woman, and she tells them that she doesn't vote with her v..
There seems to be something of a generational schism between feminists. I remember one of Clinton's proxies promising a special place in Hell for women who don't support other women. I don't think even Ted Cruz has promised eternal damnation for apostates from his cause.
There seems to be something of a generational schism between feminists. I remember one of Clinton's proxies promising a special place in Hell for women who don't support other women. I don't think even Ted Cruz has promised eternal damnation for apostates from his cause.
I guess there will always be people who vote for women because they're women, and blacks who vote for blacks and Catholics who vote for Catholics and Jews who vote for Jews. I'd like to see a woman president, but she has to be the most qualified candidate and candidate the most aligned with my values, and this election cycle, that happens to be the white Jewish guy.
rodeosweetheart
3-9-16, 12:44am
MICHIGAN YOU CAME THROUGH!!!!!!
I will say that on the voting for women thing, I will give Clinton a lot of leeway on some things. I know enough about how hard it has been to get any leverage or voice over the last 40-50 years that she has been working in politics. So I am not going to judge on many things that I feel could come out of that battle like some tone or warm fuzzies we all get (or don't ) from her. I think that younger women have no clue how it was, which means we are moving on but also means that the older feminists are not well understood by the younger generation that benefited from changes.
However on a basic political stance choice I am loving Bernie. For me he is the candidate I never thought we would have.
What's worrisome about Hillary is her "trustworthiness" score. I read some unbelievable statistic about people's perception of how honest she is, and the numbers are terrible. If you look at her Presidential resume, it looks fantastic! I'd hire her right away. A lifelong dedication to Democratic principles on the home front and internationally. Tons of experience. Incredible skills. A good strong grasp of the complexities of politics.
But she's caught up in that web. Her waffling on Keystone, her waffling on fracking, her obvious attempts to toe the line with corporate interests.. If she were a woman candidate with her credentials and Bernie's integrity, it would be a no-brainer. But...
I am loving Bernie. For me he is the candidate I never thought we would have.
+1
rodeosweetheart
3-9-16, 9:18am
What's worrisome about Hillary is her "trustworthiness" score. I read some unbelievable statistic about people's perception of how honest she is, and the numbers are terrible. If you look at her Presidential resume, it looks fantastic! I'd hire her right away. A lifelong dedication to Democratic principles on the home front and internationally. Tons of experience. Incredible skills. A good strong grasp of the complexities of politics.
But she's caught up in that web. Her waffling on Keystone, her waffling on fracking, her obvious attempts to toe the line with corporate interests.. If she were a woman candidate with her credentials and Bernie's integrity, it would be a no-brainer. But...
+1
and +2
That fracking comment in the debate really hurt her here in Northern Michigan, especially given heightened awareness of water issues and the Flint debacle. The fight against fracking is very big up here, and I could not believe his margins in the three counties that make up our immediate surroundings, which are decidedly NOT comprised of the college students or university types that the pundits keep referring to as his base. I think it was the environment that led to 25-33 point Sanders leads in these three counties.
That and a really really active local group--that was the reason that he gave for making the unexpected visit, that this group had worked so hard and for so long.
And we got out the vote!
Bernie is totally my candidate too. But... Trump is really fun too!
Bernie is totally my candidate too. But... Trump is really fun too!
Well, their economic views are remarkably similar, although differently motivated.
I find Bernie easier to like because the chances of him actually getting into office and trying to implement his "revolution" are so tiny.
If it actually comes down to a choice between the shameless mendacity of Clinton and the vulgar megalomania of Trump, I may need to pull the lever for Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party. In the meantime, I'm praying to my primitive sky god for a brokered convention.
rodeosweetheart
3-9-16, 10:13am
I live in a county that is poorer than its neighbors to the north and is pretty much a farming/blue collar area. The same day I heard Bernie, Trump held a rally in my home county. Here are his numbers there:
Trump- 44.3
Cruz 26.1
Kasich: 18.2
Now look at Bernie for my home county:
Sanders- 65
Trump- 32.9
This is definitely not a county that one would have expected to vote this way--a trip to Tractor Supply is the highlight of the week for most of us in this county.
Looking north to two much richer counties, with a demographic that is skewed to retirees, wealth, and pleasant living by the water (along with cherry farming, of course!);
Sanders- 64.8
Clinton- 22.3
and
Sanders-- 61
Clinton 37.7
In these two counties, I frankly thought Clinton would do much better due to the demographics. The whole area is considered heavily Republican, and until Bernie came, no Demo candidate had been here for decades.
Now Trump in these two richer counties to the north, more of what you would expect from that demographic:
Trump: 33.4
Cruz: 26.1
Kasich 22.8
and
Trump: 33.4
Cruz: 25.9
Kasich: 24
I don't know if the bump for Trump in the poorer county is because he came and spoke there, or if it is really a demographic difference. But I would have thought the demographic difference would have swayed the same way for Bernie, but it absolutely went the other say.
These numbers are fascinating to me because of how far off the predictions they are--
Ultralight
3-9-16, 10:13am
...a brokered convention.
Well, unless the tides really turn in Ohio and Florida I'd say you might get that brokered convention.
But I am no political scientist. I can't predict this stuff well at all. haha
I thought for sure the Repubs would have tossed Trump and got behind The Canadian or Rubot long ago!
Well, unless the tides really turn in Ohio and Florida I'd say you might get that brokered convention.
But I am no political scientist. I can't predict this stuff well at all. haha
I thought for sure the Repubs would have tossed Trump and got behind The Canadian or Rubot long ago!
That's the frustrating thing. He's winning with 35-40% pluralities. It's not like the Democrats, where the mighty Clinton machine frightened away the serious opposition before the first primary. Fortunately GOP rules require a majority of delegates for the nomination, so if Trunp goes into the convention with fewer than 1,237 there's still a chance for sanity to prevail.
Ultralight
3-9-16, 10:30am
That's the frustrating thing. He's winning with 35-40% pluralities. It's not like the Democrats, where the mighty Clinton machine frightened away the serious opposition before the first primary. Fortunately GOP rules require a majority of delegates for the nomination, so if Trunp goes into the convention with fewer than 1,237 there's still a chance for sanity to prevail.
The whole thing is riveting, to be honest.
What's worrisome about Hillary is her "trustworthiness" score. I read some unbelievable statistic about people's perception of how honest she is, and the numbers are terrible. If you look at her Presidential resume, it looks fantastic! I'd hire her right away. A lifelong dedication to Democratic principles on the home front and internationally. Tons of experience. Incredible skills. A good strong grasp of the complexities of politics.
But she's caught up in that web. Her waffling on Keystone, her waffling on fracking, her obvious attempts to toe the line with corporate interests.. If she were a woman candidate with her credentials and Bernie's integrity, it would be a no-brainer. But...
See that is it, she has done the work, spent the long hard years in the muck of it, I would like nothing more than to give such an experienced democrat my support. However I just can't get my enthusiasm behind her, she is not willing to have the conversations about what has been happening in this country that desperately need to happen.
rodeosweetheart
3-9-16, 10:33am
Two more interesting statistics--Bernie won up in Charlevoix County 60.9 to 36.7, and he won in Dearborn, the largest concentration of Arab-Americans in the country, 60-40 percent.
So it was not the 2 point percentage difference you see in the state results, not in most of the state.
Fortunately GOP rules require a majority of delegates for the nomination, so if Trunp goes into the convention with fewer than 1,237 there's still a chance for sanity to prevail.That's my hope, one that even has me voting strategically in the upcoming Ohio Primary. For the first time ever, I'll have to vote for the person most likely do well against the front runner, rather than my preferred candidate. All this in hopes that no one has the required 1237 at the convention.
The whole thing is riveting, to be honest.
The UK campaign to decide if they want to remain in the EU will have wrapped up in, what, a fifth of the time it takes us to choose a president? Canadians complained when it took all of 11-12 weeks to go from a conservative to uber-liberal premier.
We're enjoying a two-year drama that put Downton Abbey to shame. And they say there's no such thing as American Exceptionalism.
I thought for sure the Repubs would have tossed Trump and got behind The Canadian or Rubot long ago!
For the most part, Republicans are. You can see this in the closed primary states where Democrats and Independents cannot vote in the Republican primary. Trump wins in the open primary and caucus states where non-Republicans are allowed.
That's my hope, one that even has me voting strategically in the upcoming Ohio Primary. For the first time ever, I'll have to vote for the person most likely do well against the front runner, rather than my preferred candidate. All this in hopes that no one has the required 1237 at the convention.
Sort of makes me envious of the Democrats' practice of keeping 15% of their delegates aloof from the democratic fray.
Thank God for smoke-filled rooms.
Ultralight
3-9-16, 10:53am
For the first time ever, I'll have to vote for the person most likely do well against the front runner, rather than my preferred candidate.
Dems do this all the time.
Ultralight
3-9-16, 10:53am
And they say there's no such thing as American Exceptionalism.
LOL
That's my hope, one that even has me voting strategically in the upcoming Ohio Primary. For the first time ever, I'll have to vote for the person most likely do well against the front runner, rather than my preferred candidate. All this in hopes that no one has the required 1237 at the convention.
Alan, do you like Kasich? He's from Ohio, so you probably know him somewhat better. He seems sane, so of course he's trailing. :(
goldensmom
3-10-16, 7:47am
That's my hope, one that even has me voting strategically in the upcoming Ohio Primary. For the first time ever, I'll have to vote for the person most likely do well against the front runner, rather than my preferred candidate. All this in hopes that no one has the required 1237 at the convention.
That is how I voted in the primary this year. It was hard going against my convictions but I had to weight my convictions against what I thought was the best thing to do and what is best won this time.
Alan, do you like Kasich? He's from Ohio, so you probably know him somewhat better. He seems sane, so of course he's trailing. :(
I'm not a fan. My impression of him is that he is a typical politician who's principles are focus group driven. That may be fine in a Congressman, but I think a President needs to be a little more self actualized.
I'm pretty sure that as a Republican President, Democrats would like him.
I'm not a fan. My impression of him is that he is a typical politician who's principles are focus group driven. That may be fine in a Congressman, but I think a President needs to be a little more self actualized.
I'm pretty sure that as a Republican President, Democrats would like him.
I don't like him; he's a union-buster and likes to interfere in women's health issues. But at least he tries to appear rational.
I'm not a fan. My impression of him is that he is a typical politician who's principles are focus group driven. That may be fine in a Congressman, but I think a President needs to be a little more self actualized.
I'm pretty sure that as a Republican President, Democrats would like him.
I remember when the New York Times endorsed him before Iowa. You need to be a little wary of liberals' favorite Republican.
He strikes me as a somewhat less bold version of Scott Walker.
Ultralight
3-10-16, 4:35pm
I remember when the New York Times endorsed him before Iowa. You need to be a little wary of liberals' favorite Republican.
He strikes me as a somewhat less bold version of Scott Walker.
Kasich could keep his politics and "morals," call himself a Democrat, and be the ideal running mate for Billary.
He is a RINO, but don't let a liberal tell you that!
Ultralight
3-10-16, 4:36pm
I'm pretty sure that as a Republican President, Democrats would like him.
The vast majority of Dems, yes, they would like him... because they are wishy-washy and mealy-mouthed.
"Gordon Gekko" has come out for Bernie--and said what seems obvious to me--that more money in middle class pockets will lead to a much stronger economy than our current hoarder overclass presides over:
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/12/gordon_gecko_for_bernie_master_of_the_universe_end orses_sanders_for_president_partner/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
freshstart
3-12-16, 4:43pm
good article
good article
Yeah.. it makes sense--what's good for the people is good economic policy. Who'd a thunk?
"Gordon Gekko" has come out for Bernie--and said what seems obvious to me--that more money in middle class pockets will lead to a much stronger economy than our current hoarder overclass presides over:
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/12/gordon_gecko_for_bernie_master_of_the_universe_end orses_sanders_for_president_partner/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
I read that article this morning as well. He's obviously right. If we take the current path that our business leaders think we need to go down to its obvious conclusions we'll end in collapse once they've offshored enough jobs and automated enough more. Eventually the point will be reached where there's nobody left with money in their pocket to actually buy anything. Henry Ford figured this out over a century ago.
If you buy the velocity of money argument, why bother crafting massive new spending programs? Why not just shovel cash out of helicopters? Or why not simply pay every citizen a certain amount of cash every year, and leave it to their own devices on how to spend it with no government strings attached?
If you buy the velocity of money argument, why bother crafting massive new spending programs? Why not just shovel cash out of helicopters? Or why not simply pay every citizen a certain amount of cash every year, and leave it to their own devices on how to spend it with no government strings attached?
Have you ever played Monopoly? Doesn't it naturally happen that the guy who starts accumulating all the hotels winds up getting all the wealth on the board? It ends the game. I'm not saying life is a zero-sum game, but in many respects it works a lot like Monopoly. You have to keep the money circulating, otherwise it just stagnates and slows because it's all tied up in the hands of a few. And trickle-down economics is just that--a trickle from a stopped-up sieve.
Ultralight
3-14-16, 9:18am
Have you ever played Monopoly? Doesn't it naturally happen that the guy who starts accumulating all the hotels winds up getting all the wealth on the board? It ends the game. I'm not saying life is a zero-sum game, but in many respects it works a lot like Monopoly. You have to keep the money circulating, otherwise it just stagnates and slows because it's all tied up in the hands of a few. And trickle-down economics is just that--a trickle from a stopped-up sieve.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Moneyless-Man-Freeconomic-Living/dp/1851687815
http://www.amazon.com/The-Moneyless-Man-Freeconomic-Living/dp/1851687815
So you can live without money if you can get other people to spend their money to drive you places or lend you things? My nine year old cracked that code years ago.
Ultralight
3-14-16, 9:41am
So you can live without money if you can get other people to spend their money to drive you places or lend you things? My nine year old cracked that code years ago.
You did not read the book. haha
You did not read the book. haha
Just a couple of reviews. I wouldn't want to corrupt the author's principles by contributing to his royalties.
Ultralight
3-14-16, 9:50am
Just a couple of reviews. I wouldn't want to corrupt the author's principles by contributing to his royalties.
Okay...
1. LOL again! That was a zing, for sure.
2. It definitely shows you did not read the book.
Anyway, you all carry on from where I interrupted. haha
catherine
3-14-16, 10:44am
http://www.amazon.com/The-Moneyless-Man-Freeconomic-Living/dp/1851687815
I own that book on kindle and paper. Love it! I also have The Man Who Quit Money by Mark Sundeen--it's about Daniel Suelo's moneyless journey.
Do I have mixed feelings about money? The magic 8-ball says "Signs point to yes."
If you buy the velocity of money argument, why bother crafting massive new spending programs? Why not just shovel cash out of helicopters? Or why not simply pay every citizen a certain amount of cash every year, and leave it to their own devices on how to spend it with no government strings attached?
Those ideas probably would've worked better than printing trillions in cash and giving it to the banks in trade for mostly worthless bonds.
Just a couple of reviews. I wouldn't want to corrupt the author's principles by contributing to his royalties.
I didn't either, so I borrowed the library's copy for a week.
Those ideas probably would've worked better than printing trillions in cash and giving it to the banks in trade for mostly worthless bonds.
I don't disagree with you on that. If a country makes a habit of treating it's investors, savers and creditors like we have, it doesn't deserve to have any.
Williamsmith
4-15-16, 6:30am
What a difference a month makes. Could Clinton actually be left at the alter? Again?
The FBI investigation, the lack of traction with younger less loyal voters, the slow drip of super delegates once again choosing the obvious winner (remember Obama) late in the game, the lack of appeal to crossover Independents, the negative polling numbers compared to Sanders performance against any Republican nominee, dodging the release of Wall Street speech transcripts, her horrible favor ability ratings, fear of not getting the support of Sanders voters should Clinton get the nomination, despite the focus on Sanders....Clinton is also exposed on the gun control issue, her hawkish militant stance on regime changes, government subversion and old school global bullying, the liability that is her husband and alienator of the Black Lives Matter crowd, an understanding that Clinton represents the history of the Democratic Party Pre Obama which is a step backwards in time while Sanders represents the full future of the progressive majority of the party.
Clinton is a time warp trip back in time that many Dems don't want to take.
The party might dump her just like they did eight years ago. I can see it because there is a whole generation that doesn't see all this "experience" as a plus. Her nomination is looking more and more tenuous everyday. After last nights debate, I thought she just looked old and tired and certainly her ideas were.
Ultralight
4-15-16, 7:51am
What a difference a month makes. Could Clinton actually be left at the alter? Again?
The FBI investigation, the lack of traction with younger less loyal voters, the slow drip of super delegates once again choosing the obvious winner (remember Obama) late in the game, the lack of appeal to crossover Independents, the negative polling numbers compared to Sanders performance against any Republican nominee, dodging the release of Wall Street speech transcripts, her horrible favor ability ratings, fear of not getting the support of Sanders voters should Clinton get the nomination, despite the focus on Sanders....Clinton is also exposed on the gun control issue, her hawkish militant stance on regime changes, government subversion and old school global bullying, the liability that is her husband and alienator of the Black Lives Matter crowd, an understanding that Clinton represents the history of the Democratic Party Pre Obama which is a step backwards in time while Sanders represents the full future of the progressive majority of the party.
Clinton is a time warp trip back in time that many Dems don't want to take.
The party might dump her just like they did eight years ago. I can see it because there is a whole generation that doesn't see all this "experience" as a plus. Her nomination is looking more and more tenuous everyday. After last nights debate, I thought she just looked old and tired and certainly her ideas were.
She is above the law. She can always bring out the Big Dog to get the votes. And remember: It is her turn!
Williamsmith
4-15-16, 8:25am
All the talk about the Republican Party implosion and here all along there has been this angst in the Democratic Party about The pressure Sanders is putting on Clinton.
Bernie needs to get more detailed in his autopsy of the Clinton history of investment bank cronyism. His supporters are not Trumpists who have little attention span, they can follow a trail and want a cerebral explanation of why big banks should be regulated, should be fragmented and should be insulated from the publicly insured sector.
Elizabeth Warren waits in the wings. She does not have the same ideological mindset or financially beholden fraud attachment with Clinton on banking and is waiting to see if Sanders can get the support enough super delegates. How many votes would a Sanders/Warren ticket attract? HUGE amounts.
Nobody the Republicans could draft would beat it.
Just as I didn't fancy eight more years of the Bush family, I don't long for eight more years of the Clintons. I was burned once.
Ultralight
4-15-16, 9:40am
Just as I didn't fancy eight more years of the Bush family, I don't long for eight more years of the Clintons. I was burned once.
Bring Monica back!
If the ideology behind Bernie's campaign is so attractive that doubling down with a Sanders/Warren ticket would be unbeatable, shouldn't he be doing better at this point? If what Bernie is selling really was resonating with the voters, why would he need to go negative on Hillary?
iris lilies
4-15-16, 10:09am
Just as I didn't fancy eight more years of the Bush family, I don't long for eight more years of the Clintons. I was burned once.
She will be our next President, get used to it.
Ultralight
4-15-16, 10:11am
She will be our next President, get used to it.
Great...
8 years of her talking to us like she is a kindergarten teacher and we're all five years old.
She will be our next President, get used to it.
She wouldn't be the worst we could get, that's for sure.
Ted Cruz: “there is no substantive-due-process right to stimulate one’s genitals for non-medical purposes unrelated to procreation or outside of an interpersonal relationship.” Welcome to Cotton Mather's America. (And btw---ewwww!)
iris lilies
4-15-16, 10:33am
She wouldn't be the worst we could get, that's for sure.
Ted Cruz: “there is no substantive-due-process right to stimulate one’s genitals for non-medical purposes unrelated to procreation or outside of an interpersonal relationship.” Welcome to Cotton Mather's America. (And btw---ewwww!)
Is that the quote and story thats going around click bait sites? Is this the one that issues from his college roommate? I saw some things like this headlined but they seemed too--insubstantial--for me to pursue.
i dont know why you dont bring out the Ted's Many Women story. One of my Trump supporting friends is all over that.
Is that the quote and story thats going around click bait sites? Is this the one that issues from his college roommate? I saw some things like this headlined but they seemed too--insubstantial--for me to pursue.
i dont know why you dont bring out the Ted's Many Women story. One of my Trump supporting friends is all over that.
Maybe because it's so unbelievable...
Is that the quote and story thats going around click bait sites? Is this the one that issues from his college roommate? That's the one from his previous position as Texas Solicitor General where he was required to argue a case before the Supreme Court. It's sort of like Hillary's defense of a child rapist, without the laughing about it afterwards.
In the abstract, I understand how defense attorneys have an obligation to do everything legally possible to defend their (usually guilty) clients, but the ethics of it seem insurmountable to me--unless the attorney sticks to procedural or technical issues, or frank police error. My grandfather did a lot of defense work, and I wish I had been old enough to ask him to explain the finer points to me while he was alive, because I can't wrap my mind around it. He probably chuckled over some of his cases too, but I admit that case of Hillary's doesn't make her look good.
In the abstract, I understand how defense attorneys have an obligation to do everything legally possible to defend their (usually guilty) clients, but the ethics of it seem insurmountable to me--unless the attorney sticks to procedural or technical issues, or frank police error. My grandfather did a lot of defense work, and I wish I had been old enough to ask him to explain the finer points to me while he was alive, because I can't wrap my mind around it. He probably chuckled over some of his cases too, but I admit that case of Hillary's doesn't make her look good.
I'm inclined to give your grandfather and Hillary a pass on the "how can you defend those people" thing.
You either believe in the rule of law or you don't. That requires both sides of an adversarial process to put forth their best effort unadulterated by personal feelings. Otherwise, it's all an arbitrary sham.
His argument, of which this is just a small part, is a perfect example of the judgy, intrusive busybodyness that I find so offensive in the republican party. They're all about individual freedom as long as it's only used in ways they find acceptable. But as soon as an adult or two or three want to have sex outside of a monogamous, heterosexual marriage, in the mission position, they have to butt their noses in and wag their fingers, and use their powers in government to make moral decisions for others.
His argument, of which this is just a small part, is a perfect example of the judgy, intrusive busybodyness that I find so offensive in the republican party. They're all about individual freedom as long as it's only used in ways they find acceptable.
The case had to do with the Texas ban on the sale of some sex toys and nothing to do with the activities of consenting adults. If he were the Solicitor General of New York, he could have defended the city's ban on 30 ounce sodas. What's the difference?
The case had to do with the Texas ban on the sale of some sex toys and nothing to do with the activities of consenting adults. If he were the Solicitor General of New York, he could have defended the city's ban on 30 ounce sodas. What's the difference?
Not much. Both are stupid, intrusive laws.
Not much. Both are stupid, intrusive laws.
Perhaps, but a government official constitutionally obligated to defend and enforce the law should not disregard the laws he or she finds uncongenial. It would be wrong, for instance, for a US President to simply refuse to enforce sections of immigration law that he found to be politically inconvenient.
Perhaps, but a government official constitutionally obligated to defend and enforce the law should not disregard the laws he or she finds uncongenial. It would be wrong, for instance, for a US President to simply refuse to enforce sections of immigration law that he found to be politically inconvenient.
I don't disagree. My point had to do with my opinion of republicans, not on whether cruz should do his (then) job or not.
Perhaps, but a government official constitutionally obligated to defend and enforce the law should not disregard the laws he or she finds uncongenial. It would be wrong, for instance, for a US President to simply refuse to enforce sections of immigration law that he found to be politically inconvenient.
Was there ever a president who handled immigration to anyone's satisfaction? President Obama is leading in deportations, arguably--splitting up families and causing untold grief--but it's never enough to satisfy some. Personally, I like President Reagan's approach: amnesty.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/10/american-principles-action/has-barack-obama-deported-more-people-any-other-pr/
Was there ever a president who handled immigration to anyone's satisfaction? President Obama is leading in deportations, arguably--splitting up families and causing untold grief--but it's never enough to satisfy some. Personally, I like President Reagan's approach: amnesty.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/10/american-principles-action/has-barack-obama-deported-more-people-any-other-pr/
But Reagan asked for and got new law enacted through Congress. Obama simply declined to enforce existing law.
I don't disagree. My point had to do with my opinion of republicans.........acting like Democrats? I'd agree!
....acting like Democrats? I'd agree!
When does that ever happen? For the last 26 years I've seen a lot more of the opposite.
Williamsmith
4-21-16, 8:19am
Bernie has been a nice diversion. Refreshing to see pointed out some of the glaring hypocracy in our politicians. But it is over for The Bern. The voters have clearly chosen Hillary and there is no legitimate path to the nomination other than embracing the kind of thinking Bernie has been against. His only chance would be if a lot of delegates would abandon their support for Hillary and throw in with him.
Yes, he did more with less than any modern politician of his time but he captured the imagination of a young generation when he was really trying to capture a nomination. And it should not be forgotten that Hillary was one of the most flawed opponents he could have battled. New York was the Alamo and he's been overrun. But he did manage to stretch the whole spectrum of American liberalism into the euro socialist realm. Unimaginable just a few Presidents ago.
Williamsmith
5-24-16, 1:43pm
So with a little reflection and some real Pie in the Sky wishful thinking, I am ready to double my efforts to thwart the candidacy of Hillary Clinton and throw in with Bernie Sanders and here's why:
If Bernie should possibly by some miracle or dare I say act of God become the Democratic nominee....I declare my intention to vote for The Bern. Yes, I would vote for him over the inexcusably ignorant and uneducated businessman Trump.
Back on January 12 Bernie returned to Washington DC during his campaign and cast a vote. He voted in support of Senator Rand Paul's Audit the Fed Bill. He was joined by only one other Democrat. Mr. TrusTED couldn't find time to return to vote on that day.
Bernie understands that the Fed is clearly nothing but a wealth distribution program for the rich and powerful. While his solution of reform is in my mind misguided, perhaps he could be persuaded to do away with it altogether as President. At least, the guy can figure out what problems exist and has the integrity to call out the immoral whoever they are.
So with a little reflection and some real Pie in the Sky wishful thinking, I am ready to double my efforts to thwart the candidacy of Hillary Clinton and throw in with Bernie Sanders and here's why:
If Bernie should possibly by some miracle or dare I say act of God become the Democratic nominee....I declare my intention to vote for The Bern. Yes, I would vote for him over the inexcusably ignorant and uneducated businessman Trump.
Back on January 12 Bernie returned to Washington DC during his campaign and cast a vote. He voted in support of Senator Rand Paul's Audit the Fed Bill. He was joined by only one other Democrat. Mr. TrusTED couldn't find time to return to vote on that day.
Bernie understands that the Fed is clearly nothing but a wealth distribution program for the rich and powerful. While his solution of reform is in my mind misguided, perhaps he could be persuaded to do away with it altogether as President. At least, the guy can figure out what problems exist and has the integrity to call out the immoral whoever they are.
Yay!!!!
So with a little reflection and some real Pie in the Sky wishful thinking, I am ready to double my efforts to thwart the candidacy of Hillary Clinton and throw in with Bernie Sanders and here's why:
If Bernie should possibly by some miracle or dare I say act of God become the Democratic nominee....I declare my intention to vote for The Bern. Yes, I would vote for him over the inexcusably ignorant and uneducated businessman Trump.
Back on January 12 Bernie returned to Washington DC during his campaign and cast a vote. He voted in support of Senator Rand Paul's Audit the Fed Bill. He was joined by only one other Democrat. Mr. TrusTED couldn't find time to return to vote on that day.
Bernie understands that the Fed is clearly nothing but a wealth distribution program for the rich and powerful. While his solution of reform is in my mind misguided, perhaps he could be persuaded to do away with it altogether as President. At least, the guy can figure out what problems exist and has the integrity to call out the immoral whoever they are.
So you see Bernie as someone who would both take the money out of politics and take politics out of the money? That might be a bit of a constitutional stretch.
Ultralight
5-24-16, 2:14pm
So you see Bernie as someone who would both take the money out of politics and take politics out of the money? That might be a bit of a constitutional stretch.
Quick! Somebody call a constitutional scholar! There are about 300,000,000 of them in the US!
Quick! Somebody call a constitutional scholar! There are about 300,000,000 of them in the US!
Look, I'm not saying he's necessarily sillier than the vociferous orange fellow or the investment banks' story lady. At least he hasn't promised to make the oceans recede. But when these people pound podia promising to perform prodigies, shouldn't they predicate those promises on prevailing presidential prerogatives? If any doubt existed as to the Founders circumscribing executive power in wonderfully clever and cynical ways, surely this election cycle has dispelled them.
But when these people pound podia promising to perform prodigies, shouldn't they predicate those promises on prevailing presidential prerogatives?
Poppycock!
Poppycock!
Hey, that's my middle name!
Williamsmith
5-24-16, 2:53pm
Look, I'm not saying he's necessarily sillier than the vociferous orange fellow or the investment banks' story lady. At least he hasn't promised to make the oceans recede. But when these people pound podia promising to perform prodigies, shouldn't they predicate those promises on prevailing presidential prerogatives? If any doubt existed as to the Founders circumscribing executive power in wonderfully clever and cynical ways, surely this election cycle has dispelled them.
That was a prodigious performance of "p" production. I tried to read it backwards just in case it had some hidden message.
Im not a consitutional expert but I do challenge any of the other 300,000,000 million of them out there to show me where the founders authorized a national banking agency or private money control cartel like the Federal Reserve. It was all a result of horrible Supreme Court decisions prompted by ill conceived war debt. Funny how things get continually repeated. Boom, bust, boom bust, boom, bust.......BOOM!
That was a prodigious performance of "p" production. I tried to read it backwards just in case it had some hidden message.
Im not a consitutional expert but I do challenge any of the other 300,000,000 million of them out there to show me where the founders authorized a national banking agency or private money control cartel like the Federal Reserve. It was all a result of horrible Supreme Court decisions prompted by ill conceived war debt. Funny how things get continually repeated. Boom, bust, boom bust, boom, bust.......BOOM!
The Founders included enacting legislation among the powers of the Congress. Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. There have been no successful court challenges to it's constitutionality. I don't see what a President can do about it except cheer from the sidelines while Congress passes new legislation more to his liking. He could also (subject to ratification) try appointing governors more amenable to his agenda. Either of those routes would probably require a considerable turnover in Congress.
Williamsmith
5-24-16, 3:37pm
The Founders included enacting legislation among the powers of the Congress. Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. There have been no successful court challenges to it's constitutionality. I don't see what a President can do about it except cheer from the sidelines while Congress passes new legislation more to his liking. He could also (subject to ratification) try appointing governors more amenable to his agenda. Either of those routes would probably require a considerable turnover in Congress.
The Constitution gives no specific authority to the Congress to establish a central bank. It only gives Congress authority to enact "necessary and proper" laws based on powers it specified in the Constitution. Refer to prior sentence. There were court challenges with dissenting opinions......rather good ones but alas.......Jefferson's limits by the chains of the Constitution are all but ancient history. A President can place Supreme Court justices....which is one way we got here In the first place.
Ultralight
6-24-16, 9:52am
The Bern said publicly that he will be voting for Clinton.
catherine
6-24-16, 10:31am
The Bern said publicly that he will be voting for Clinton.
With conditions.. as I heard it on CNN/Chris Cuomo this morning. He said he will "most likely" vote for Hill if the Democrats are able to make their party platform as progressive as he wants it to be, and he's using his supporters as leverage.
Ultralight
6-24-16, 10:33am
With conditions.. as I heard it on CNN/Chris Cuomo this morning. He said he will "most likely" vote for Hill if the Democrats are able to make their party platform as progressive as he wants it to be, and he's using his supporters as leverage.
lol
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