View Full Version : Does this election cycle seem well....just out there and completely over the top?
gimmethesimplelife
4-9-16, 10:54am
I just wanted to pose this question regarding the current US election cycle, which to me seems much more out there than usual. What do you'll think?
I just wanted to pose this question regarding the current US election cycle, which to me seems much more out there than usual. What do you'll think?
I guess that depends how you define "usual".
The 1924 Democratic Convention went over 100 ballots, with Catholics battling Klansmen on the convention floor. My grandfather was injured at the 1968 Democratic Convention transporting delegates through a violent mob of pacifists. The 1860 election cycle resulted in a civil war. The "corrupt bargain" of 1824, leading to allegations and insults in 1828 that make today's invidious comparisons of Mrs. Trump with Mrs. Cruz seem positively genteel. The 2000 election leading to a Supreme Court decision that drives the losing side to paroxysmal rage to this day.
What do we have today? A septuagenarian sucker-punching some twit shrieking obscenities? Arguments over who has the biggest Trump Tower? A left-wing statist and a right-wing statist bracketing the ideological menu on offer? Hillary's burrito? Marco's parking tickets? The chalkening terror of Emory university?
It's a lot of fun, but I wouldn't call it high on the "out there" scale when you consider the body of precedent.
I just wanted to pose this question regarding the current US election cycle, which to me seems much more out there than usual. What do you'll think?
I agree, it is MORE out there... irritating to say the least.
This was in this newspaper and also in my local paper. AP article on how this is not a normal year.
http://www.sltrib.com/home/3755345-155/ap-gfk-poll-many-dislike-clinton-
"The negative feelings for both are a harbinger of a general election contest that's shaping up to be less about voters supporting the candidate of their choice, and more about their picking the one they dislike the least."
iris lilies
4-9-16, 7:27pm
At the Lincoln museum in Springfield there are quotes on the wall from his various elections. What he said, what others said about him and politicians of the time. They're raucous and impolite and rude and surprisingly ungentlemanly.
Lincoln was elected by the Repuvlican party on the third ballot. The Donald just needs to cool his jets, perhaps his time will come.
Oligarchies tend to over time create bigger and bigger disparities between the ruling class and the peasants. Eventually the disparities become wide enough that the ruling class and the peasants end up on opposite sides (class warfare).
Trump and Sanders are products of the people abandoning the traditional party structure. Rather than jumping from side to side, people are deciding neither party is acceptable.
Williamsmith
4-10-16, 8:10pm
I've been trying to broaden my horizon by reading people I believe I'd really disagree with. I came across a guy named Barry Crimmins. Turns out we have a lot in common.
Quote,
There's a nickel's worth of difference between Democrats and Republicans. If you put a nickel on the table, a Democrat will steal it from you.. and a Republican will kill you for it.
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Trump and Sanders are products of the people abandoning the traditional party structure.
I find it interesting how similar their programs seem to be.
I find it interesting how similar their programs seem to be.
Similar in what ways?
I find it interesting how similar their programs seem to be.
I have a hard time imagining Sander's Boston Globe April 2017 front page would look anything like Trump's.
Similar in what ways?
They both have a fairly strong protectionist bent, and promise to renege on a number of trade treaties.
They both promise to strengthen entitlement programs with poorly defined ways and means.
Neither has much interest in or knowledge of foreign policy.
Both the billionaire and the career politician are building campaigns around protecting us from billionaires and politicians.
They both have a fairly strong protectionist bent, and promise to renege on a number of trade treaties.
They both promise to strengthen entitlement programs with poorly defined ways and means.
Neither has much interest in or knowledge of foreign policy.
Both the billionaire and the career politician are building campaigns around protecting us from billionaires and politicians.
When you put it that way trump doesn't sound so bad after all. However, his scapegoating of Muslims and immigrants disqualifies him from getting my vote.
rosarugosa
4-11-16, 8:31pm
I saw a bumper sticker today:
TRUMP 2016
Finally someone with balls.
It doesn't get much classier than that!
I saw a bumper sticker today:
TRUMP 2016
Finally someone with balls.
It doesn't get much classier than that!
Maybe we can start checking politicians like people who want to use the bathroom, tee hee
ApatheticNoMore
4-11-16, 9:02pm
I take it they won't be voting for Hillary ...
Williamsmith
4-12-16, 4:09am
After seeing what went on with the Colorado delegate process, anyone with a hint of confidence in the value of their primary vote ought to have had that notion properly squashed.
Kasich's little town hall commercial last night actually turned me off completely. He apparently worships the Pope. It's pretty obvious the establishment has kept him in the mix with financial backing just so they can pull the strings.
Cruz is such an ideolog, it's going to be funny when the establishment takes a left turn on him and bends it back inside of his pompous righteous indignation. You know that funny alone feeling when you look behind you expecting a group to be backing you and you find air? Blinded by the light.
There have been a number of fairly odd elections that I can recall. The Geo. Wallace run, the close call of Gore/Bush, Nixon/McGovern. This one seems unusual because it has such anti old guard popularity. It got by me on any mainstream news, but there apparently is a growing movement to divorce politics from big money. And recent protests. I wonder if it will go anywhere, but it is one thing the election has brought to the surface.
"The coalition wants a "Congress of Conscience" to pass legislation limiting undisclosed and big-donor money, giving more clout to small donors; to restore powers in the Voting Rights Act; and to put an end to gerrymandered districts that insulate incumbent lawmakers from election challenges."
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/11/473874785/hundreds-protest-gerrymandering-campaign-finance-laws-on-capitols-steps
I have a hard time imagining Sander's Boston Globe April 2017 front page would look anything like Trump's.
I don't think the Onion has anything to worry about.
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