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freshstart
4-10-16, 5:59am
Our cleaning lady, Tammy (it's not as snooty or expensive as it sounds) has become a close family friend. She and my mother adore each other. They do social stuff when my mom is up to it. Well, her lung spontaneously collapsed so we've been without her for a month, 2 more weeks and thank God she is back.

In the middle of my mother's regular hoarded bedroom is an explosion of wedding dresses and clothes for my brother's wedding weekend, shoes, etc. She lost track of what fit and what didn't and trying on is really hard for her with her breathing and stamina. I was talking to her and she started to cry about the mess. Normally we do not do well trying to de-hoard her together. I just don't have the patience and luckily, Tammy, the cleaning lady does, she keeps as much of the hoard at bay as possible. So I jumped in without thinking.

I remembered we had found 1 dress, and pants and a shirt for the rehearsal, and 1 other pair of pants. Everything else was to be returned. She is very hard to fit, barely 4'11" and wears a 3x, she is full of fluid from the abdomen down, the widest pair of shoes we could find on Zappos were too small for her swollen feet. Somewhere from my brain I pulled the 4 things that fit and hung them where she can see them and be happy that she has a few things to wear. The rest I started making piles of where each dress, outfit, shoes, came from and bagged them up and put them in the hall. Then I dug through the dreaded Paper Pile that had become so tall in Tammy's absence, it was 17" tall (I had to know, lol). I found every receipt and have managed to return to two stores and arrange for a Zappos pick up.

We worked well together, I think it mainly was because we both wanted the crap out of her room. She is not going to hoard wedding dresses that don't fit. So for once we were a team instead of facing off. I started to think maybe I could help with the hoarding. Until she asked me to get something out of her linen closet. A rain of empty pill bottles came down on me. It was like when someone fills a closet with tennis balls as a joke. But this is not funny. There have to be hundreds of empty bottles. She says she knows she doesn't need to keep them but she can't throw them away, she can't answer why. So every time my dad goes in this closet for a towel, this happens to him, too. He's so pissed, he's taken everything he needs out of there. I offered to write down every single med and its dose because maybe she's afraid she will need one of the meds again and not remember to remind the doctor of what exactly she needs. that was the only reason I could come up with to keep them, but I have no idea why she has to keep 23 bottles of the same drug, under my theory she should only have one bottle. She's thinking about it. Meanwhile I put them in a large garbage bag and shoved them on the highest shelf that she can't reach.

Tammy came for dinner the other night. I cannot wait for her to come back and be the keeper of the hoard. I'm pretty much done after the pill bottles, lol. I will help her to keep looking for wedding stuff but the piles of other crap can wait for Tammy's gentle touch.

I feel bad for her all the way around. I know from hearing it all my life how much she hates to live this way. She is so OCD with her meds, has so many checks and balances, she uses timers, that it takes her an hour to take pills that are pre-poured in a pill box. In theory, she should open the pill box, take the pills and be done. I catch her doing her hour routine at 3 am. She saw a shrink for this because her (my) primary said just one OCD ritual is usually easily resolved with a med. Well, the med made her looney and no less OCD. Then he was the only shrink who does therapy and meds for Medicare patients and he left. She can see a shrink for 15 mins for meds but she is scared of the meds and go to a psychologist for therapy but she really is too sick to add in both these regular appointments. She never told the shrink she was a hoarder. so she doesn't just have one easily fixed OCD problem. So she will probably die a hoarder.

I had decided to de-hoard the basement box by box but after spending time in her space, I realized I am not totally done with my spaces. I appreciate so much the help I got here, that I had downsized my home way before I got sick and that they help me with the taxes. But I miss my completely organized townhouse, I swore never to be like her and I totally wasn't. My basement storage was a thing of beauty. It's hard to stay organized the way I want in such small spaces without adding to the storage problem in the basement and I won't do that. My room has become an office, den and BR so it is cluttered even after I've de-cluttered. I am getting on that tomorrow.

It was funny, a while ago my mom told me she had a list of goals, I suggested we look at that again. It had the usual- organize papers and organize room, I said skip those for now, what else? "Spend more time out of my room and spend more time with my daughter." So we watched something on Netflix together and it was really nice. Coincidentally, spending time with her is on my to do list, also.

God, I'm chatty at 5 am, sorry!

Chicken lady
4-10-16, 8:24am
I think it's wonderful that you were able to spend some quality time with your mom.

i can't tell if you want suggestions, so sorry if not, but if it's a "throwing away" issue and you gave a whole foods near you, they collect type 5 plastic for recycling. You can also mail it to the "gimme 5" program, but that seems inefficient to me.

learning to throw away plastic has been a hard one for me. And potato chip bags. Sometimes dh has to go a few weeks with no chips because I do all the shopping and I am backsliding and can't handle the idea of chip bags.

freshstart
4-10-16, 9:38am
thanks, I am open to ANY advice

at the end of the month, the library is collecting old meds for disposal. I think my dad is going to tell her they are recycling the bottles (they are) and it raises money for the library (it doesn't) and maybe this will convince her to let go of the bottles.

Chicken lady
4-10-16, 10:10am
In general I am strongly opposed to lying to hoarders, but I think I remember that your mom is terminally ill such that there isn't really enough time to hope for recovery from the hoarding and that it is unlikely she'll ever know? I guess in that case it's more a comfort thing like telling the person with advanced altzheimers someone went out for a walk instead of explaining that they died three years ago and having the person deal with fresh grief every ten minutes when they forget.

freshstart
4-10-16, 10:44am
you nailed it. I am unlikely to lie about getting rid of anything that she could perceive as valuable or doing it behind her back because I know not to do that. Even when she says yes to getting rid of an item, you have to wait a day because she wants time to be sure. But the pill bottles truly are trash and I think she could be convinced to let them go if she knew she was helping someone.

iris lilies
4-10-16, 10:49am
you nailed it. I am unlikely to lie about getting rid of anything that she could perceive as valuable or doing it behind her back because I know not to do that. Even when she says yes to getting rid of an item, you have to wait a day because she wants time to be sure. But the pill bottles truly are trash and I think she could be convinced to let them go if she knew she was helping someone.
"Benefitting the library" by giving pill bottles is truthful because this pill bottle activity brings people into the library, increases gate count/useage, and therefore is good for their use statistics. Some people might even check out a few items that ordinarily they would not. This increase in use helps the library justify budget requests.

it is reaching, but still has some truth.

Zoe Girl
4-10-16, 11:25am
I think that knowing she never wanted to live this way and knowing she is stuck right now due to so many factors gives room for a white lie. If you tell her about the recycling program and she reacts badly then you can drop it, but if it seems like a relief then you have helped her. And as far as data on library usage it does help! I have had parents who are hesitant to take a space in a free program at my school because they can afford to pay but what I really need is numbers to justify the programs.

I also love having a goal that is not all about hoarding, I have downsized 2 times drastically and it is hard when you are in the best of shape all around. I would not want people doing this for me and it would create some anxiety for any of us to have other people do it for us. So during my foreclosure/purge/move process when I started a new job I about lost my mind. I had to turn over a lot of decisions to my kids actually, but I still would have preferred to go through the stuff myself.

freshstart
4-10-16, 3:15pm
good points.

if I ever get to the basement, my priority is to start with finding my misplaced stuff and getting that all in one corner so I know what I even own. Then start her stuff by bringing one box up a month, she (and I) should be able to handle that. First we need an electrician to put a lot more lighting in there, I cannot see to work.

Ultralight
4-11-16, 12:00pm
In general I am strongly opposed to lying to hoarders, but I think I remember that your mom is terminally ill such that there isn't really enough time to hope for recovery from the hoarding and that it is unlikely she'll ever know? I guess in that case it's more a comfort thing like telling the person with advanced altzheimers someone went out for a walk instead of explaining that they died three years ago and having the person deal with fresh grief every ten minutes when they forget.

I tend to agree with this.