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Williamsmith
4-21-16, 9:12am
It's time we start getting use to the idea of another President Clinton. The Republicans are in such disarray they couldn't beat Ralph Nader in a primary. So the good news is that Clinton will undoubtedly take back the world stage for American Exceptionalism.
No more apologizing globally, no more bowing and kissing rings, back to the hard nosed kick ass interventionism we have become so well known for. At least we will have a direction. I wonder how Putin is going to feel about getting pushed around by a woman? Now that will be fun to see.
I am getting used to the idea.
Ultralight
4-21-16, 9:20am
That is what I like about you, Williamsmith. You come off as a laughing prophet of doom but deep down you are eternally the optimist!
If this awful thing happens, we'll need a strong GOP majority in Congress if the Bill of Rights is to survive intact.
Ultralight
4-21-16, 9:36am
If this awful thing happens, we'll need a strong GOP majority in Congress if the Bill of Rights is to survive intact.
Hyperbolic. ;)
Other than being female, I mostly see it as an extension of the Obama policies. It's too bad we won't advance or progress to something different or better, but as far as politics go I have not had any of the Obama heartburn that others have had. I think the more impactful election issues will be in the senate, house and maybe the Supreme Court.
After eight years of unrelenting, poorly disguised racism from the right, I'm not looking forward to years of ugly misogyny focused on Hillary Clinton. She won't get any more cooperation from the obstructionists than he did. She's a competent bureaucrat, but her hawkish behavior gives me pause. I'm not a fan of dynasties.
Hyperbolic. ;)
Is it? She's campaigned on supporting changes to the First Amendment to give government more power to regulate spending on political speech. She has said the Supreme Court was "wrong" in upholding the Second Amendment as it applied to "assault weapons", and has attacked Bernie's position on gun control during the campaign.
After eight years of unrelenting, poorly disguised racism from the right, I'm not looking forward to years of ugly misogyny focused on Hillary Clinton. She won't get any more cooperation from the obstructionists than he did. She's a competent bureaucrat, but her hawkish behavior gives me pause. I'm not a fan of dynasties.
Yes, it will be a nice change from the default charge of racism for every disagreement with the President to be accused of sexism for every thwarted power grab. If only for variety's sake.
While I'm hoping for a good deal of the right kind of "obstructionism" in the event of a Clinton Administration, I also believe she will be in a better position to actually compromise with the opposition. I don't think she has ever displayed the sort of ideological rigidity the current president has.
While I'm hoping for a good deal of the right kind of "obstructionism" in the event of a Clinton Administration, I also believe she will be in a better position to actually compromise with the opposition. I don't think she has ever displayed the sort of ideological rigidity the current president has.
It's obama who hasn't tried to compromise? Obstructionism is just another way of saying "unwilling to compromise" and it's not obama that's doing the obstructing in congress.
If we still have a republican congress I expect you're right about the obstructionism preventing them from doing much of anything, just as it is now. Most likely the only thing they'll do is unsuccessfully try another hundred times to repeal the ACA and hold still more hearings on the fictitious story of planned parenthood selling baby body parts for fun and profit. And maybe they'll throw in yet another pointless Benghazi hearing just for kicks.
Obstructionism is just another way of saying "unwilling to compromise" and it's not obama that's doing the obstructing in congress.
As a co-equal branch of government, I see Congress as an indispensable part of reining in the executive branch. What's the difference between a democratic republic and a dictatorship? Congress.
Ultralight
4-21-16, 11:48am
When Republicans do it to Democrats it is "reining in." When Democrats do it to Republicans it is called "unwillingness to compromise."
If only obama had compromised with the republicans and agreed not to nominate a supreme court nominee. It's so mean of him to force the senate republicans to refuse to do their jobs and look all obstructiony.
Ultralight
4-21-16, 1:59pm
If only obama had compromised with the republicans and agreed not to nominate a supreme court nominee. It's so mean of him to force the senate republicans to refuse to do their jobs and look all obstructiony.
It is not obstruction! It is reining in!
If only obama had compromised with the republicans and agreed not to nominate a supreme court nominee. It's so mean of him to force the senate republicans to refuse to do their jobs and look all obstructiony.
I'll agree that Mitch McConnell is an ass. If they wanted to send a message they should have held the hearings and then "Borked" the nominee as the "Lion of the Senate" famously did, or at least made his life hell as the Democrats did to Clarence Thomas. If we're going to talk about people being mean, we should include a little perspective.
Williamsmith
4-21-16, 3:18pm
Other than being female, I mostly see it as an extension of the Obama policies. It's too bad we won't advance or progress to something different or better, but as far as politics go I have not had any of the Obama heartburn that others have had. I think the more impactful election issues will be in the senate, house and maybe the Supreme Court.
Clinton is in many ways a departure from Obama. She is primarily a hawk. She will do a much better job at defeating "ISIL" because she actually believes in defeating them and using our military to do it. She doesn't plan on building a wall or controlling immigration because she is going to kill off all the bad Islamists in their backyard. The only thing that would hold her back at all would be the lack of support she might get from the American people because it is going to take 30 or 40 thousand boots on the ground. Just a few more terrorist attacks and support will grow for a full on intervention.
Assad is toast once she gets in the White House. And Russia can start sucking hind tit. Israel will get the full support of the United States again. Foreign policy will start to reflect our actual interests. We are going to go back to pissing people off.
It's not all going to be roses. We are going to be taxed to death but at least someone in the White House wil have grown a set....... finally.
frugal-one
4-21-16, 5:10pm
If only obama had compromised with the republicans and agreed not to nominate a supreme court nominee. It's so mean of him to force the senate republicans to refuse to do their jobs and look all obstructiony.
Look back... during the Reagan administration he elected a supreme court replacement. That is the way it should be.
It's not all going to be roses. We are going to be taxed to death but at least someone in the White House wil have grown a set....... finally.
Not bad for a person with small hands.
After eight years of unrelenting, poorly disguised racism from the right, I'm not looking forward to years of ugly misogyny focused on Hillary Clinton. She won't get any more cooperation from the obstructionists than he did. She's a competent bureaucrat, but her hawkish behavior gives me pause. I'm not a fan of dynasties.
Jane, I'm with you.
Williamsmith
4-21-16, 10:04pm
Another good reason to vote for Hillary Clinton. A Clinton Presidency would undoubtedly prolong the Wall Street financial sector boom. For anyone with money in the investment markets that should be comforting to your IRAs and 401(k). CEOs and investors will be quite comfortable with guarenteed bailout for any bursting bubble down the road. And the banks won't be seeing any real changes in government regulation any time soon.
ApatheticNoMore
4-21-16, 10:09pm
How did that work out in 2008? Well badly if you couldn't wait it out. And it will be the same. Bail outs didn't prevent a stock market crash, so there is no evidence they can do any such thing, although they did re-inflate the stock market eventually.
Another good reason to vote for Hillary Clinton. A Clinton Presidency would undoubtedly prolong the Wall Street financial sector boom. For anyone with money in the investment markets that should be comforting to your IRAs and 401(k). CEOs and investors will be quite comfortable with guaranteed bailout for any bursting bubble down the road. And the banks won't be seeing any real changes in government regulation any time soon.
Although the rumor mill today is saying that Hillary is considering a woman for VP, so of course the first name that leapt out of that rumor mill was Elizabeth Warren. I'd be surprised if Warren accepted, but Hillary's gotta do something to convince all the Bernie Bros to vote for her, and Warren as VP or promised as Secretary of the Treasury might accomplish that.
Williamsmith
4-22-16, 6:20am
Although the rumor mill today is saying that Hillary is considering a woman for VP, so of course the first name that leapt out of that rumor mill was Elizabeth Warren. I'd be surprised if Warren accepted, but Hillary's gotta do something to convince all the Bernie Bros to vote for her, and Warren as VP or promised as Secretary of the Treasury might accomplish that.
Deval Patrick and Julian Castro. The short list of short lists.
Some youth and energy please.
gimmethesimplelife
4-22-16, 11:07am
I'm really bummed out that it seems as if Sanders will not be getting the Democratic nomination. Realistically, I believe Sanders was the only real shot at making this citizenship viable for most working people again. So much for that happening.....on this one I didn't expect much though. I'll take Hillary over Trump any day though.....while America continues to become less viable at least the working poor in some states will have access to Medicaid. Crumbs off the table compared to other countries but at least it's something.
I don't trust Hillary though....she's too cozy with the elite and has received huge speaking fees from the social class that causes many of America's problems. I find her to be the lesser of the evils on offer in 2016 and will as always vote my social class. But I'm not blind. The woman does carry with her enough baggage to sink the Titanic. Rob
I watched her on GMA yesterday and was impressed much more than I expected to be.
Williamsmith
4-22-16, 11:49am
I watched her on GMA yesterday and was impressed much more than I expected to be.
Undoubtedly, the entire interview was scripted and she knew the questions way before hand. Shes too experienced to get blindsided by the media. Another strength, her ability to get away with things other people have been in trouble over. I don't think most people understand how powerful and connected she is. Ted Cruz and Donald Drumpf are pikers comparatively speaking. She is so influential even the Republican establishment is pulling for her.
ApatheticNoMore
4-22-16, 12:14pm
Although the rumor mill today is saying that Hillary is considering a woman for VP, so of course the first name that leapt out of that rumor mill was Elizabeth Warren. I'd be surprised if Warren accepted, but Hillary's gotta do something to convince all the Bernie Bros to vote for her, and Warren as VP or promised as Secretary of the Treasury might accomplish that.
voting for a Prez you hope will die or be impeached in office because of their VP pick takes it to a whole new level. McCain's choice may have been wiser there - it's job security.
It didn't seem like we've had many strong wise leaders to pick from this time (if we ever do?). I like Bernie and might be my top choice, but he is sort of a one song pony, a bit of a crank, and the cards are not falling his way anyway. Baring any bizarre policies, I tend to pick by the one strongest on the environment. If Bernie is out, that leaves Hillary. Second issue is health care and by my way of seeing things, that also leaves Hillary. I can live with what else comes along with her. Obama will have a replacement whipping boy or girl whoever gets elected.
ApatheticNoMore
4-22-16, 2:29pm
Baring any bizarre policies, I tend to pick by the one strongest on the environment. If Bernie is out, that leaves Hillary.
Misses fossil fuel money ... oh yea things will be great. Bernie or bust.
Teacher Terry
4-22-16, 3:19pm
Hillary will beat whoever the Republican's run and I am glad. I liked Bernie too but never thought he could get elected. He has done better then I thought he would. Both her and Bill have an uncanny ability just like REagan did to not have things stick to them.
I was kind of hoping this would be the first election where I actually voted for someone (Sanders), instead of going out to vote against someone. But it's not looking like it will happen.
Clinton I won't be voting for as much as I'll be voting against whoever she ends up running against.
Williamsmith
4-23-16, 12:06pm
I was kind of hoping this would be the first election where I actually voted for someone (Sanders), instead of going out to vote against someone. But it's not looking like it will happen.
Clinton I won't be voting for as much as I'll be voting against whoever she ends up running against.
Isnt it kind of shocking that seemingly for the most part the popular election will be won by somebody no one really wants to vote for? But still given the options, a four year old given to tantrums, a nascent leader of the American Taliban and a political insider who is as responsible for policy that created this mess as anyone.......and then there's poor Bernie. The fix was always in. At least Vermont is a nice place to live.
Time to buy more stock in gun and ammo manufacturers. And more guns and ammo. There may be room for even more upside with Hillary in there.
Williamsmith
4-26-16, 4:09am
Hillary made a nice political commercial with MSNBCs Rachael Maddow last night. It was called a "Town Hall". She spoke in a very "Presidential" way and in the background the target of her affections nodding in agreement to everything she said was a young African American woman. The youth, the blacks, the women.......will all go out and put Bernie out of his misery today. Clinton is easily the most qualified and least likely to cause havoc in the nation for the next four years.
She said enough things I agree with to get my vote in the general election. I think I am generally a good representation of the rust belt. Clinton will do very well here.
Her opposition was busy calling each other cry babies, whiners and cheaters. They are only right about one thing. They are all losers and the down ballot will show just how bad of losers they are. The Dems will reclaim the Senate and then Obama will get very jealous of Clinton's ability to get things done.
She said last night that 50% of her cabinet will be women. She said there will be a strong military component to her administration. She said she would attack the "gun culture" at the voting booth by purging politicians that support the gun lobbyists. She said she would advance women's rights issues of equal pay and workers rights issues regarding the poor trade agreements that allow shifting jobs overseas. She would make companies that do this pay back every cent of taxpayers money and incentives they received.
She said she would get government out of the business of making money from student loan interest and allow students to refinance at lower rates. Work for a debt free education and provide a model for education that included universal preschool. She said she would restructure the criminal justice system so that fewer were incarcerated and more were rehabilitated.
While she was making statements of policy......the toddlers were fighting over the last chocolate milk left in the lunch line.
It's certainly true there's a clear contrast between the parties this year. The Republicans have fielded a group of contenders only a comedy writer could love. The Democrats talk earnestly about issues while their potential opponents are throwing feces at each other. I'm enjoying my no-news diet immensely.
It's certainly true there's a clear contrast between the parties this year. The Republicans have fielded a group of contenders only a comedy writer could love. The Democrats talk earnestly about issues while their potential opponents are throwing feces at each other. I'm enjoying my no-news diet immensely.
If you're on a "no-news diet", how is it that you know these things?
I should have specified "no TV news." I skim articles on line. Or I'm telepathic. :~) I could have stopped watching months ago--and reading, as well--and I'd still have a good idea of what was going on. More of the same.
iris lilies
4-26-16, 11:54am
Hillary made a nice political commercial with MSNBCs Rachael Maddow last night. It was called a "Town Hall". She spoke in a very "Presidential" way and in the background the target of her affections nodding in agreement to everything she said was a young African American woman. The youth, the blacks, the women.......will all go out and put Bernie out of his misery today. Clinton is easily the most qualified and least likely to cause havoc in the nation for the next four years.
She said enough things I agree with to get my vote in the general election. I think I am generally a good representation of the rust belt. Clinton will do very well here.
Her opposition was busy calling each other cry babies, whiners and cheaters. They are only right about one thing. They are all losers and the down ballot will show just how bad of losers they are. The Dems will reclaim the Senate and then Obama will get very jealous of Clinton's ability to get things done.
She said last night that 50% of her cabinet will be women. She said there will be a strong military component to her administration. She said she would attack the "gun culture" at the voting booth by purging politicians that support the gun lobbyists. She said she would advance women's rights issues of equal pay and workers rights issues regarding the poor trade agreements that allow shifting jobs overseas. She would make companies that do this pay back every cent of taxpayers money and incentives they received.
She said she would get government out of the business of making money from student loan interest and allow students to refinance at lower rates. Work for a debt free education and provide a model for education that included universal preschool. She said she would restructure the criminal justice system so that fewer were incarcerated and more were rehabilitated.
While she was making statements of policy......the toddlers were fighting over the last chocolate milk left in the lunch line.
I don't see how she can defeat pols who support gun rights. What would some of her tools be here? She cant withold party fund Ng dor their fampaigns because they are not of her party. Or are they? Maybe she will take democratic Party money to target them? She surely cannt t use taxpayer money to d deat them. Or can she?
Requiring companies to "pay back" legitimatly gained bus Ness incentive seems churlish and certainly a formula for panic on Wall Street.
I should be glad that her cabinent will have a lot of vaginas sitting around the table at Cabinent meetings? There is probably a Clinton Co. joke in there somewhere.
I don't see how she can defeat pols who support gun rights. What would some of her tools be here? She cant withold party fund Ng dor their fampaigns because they are not of her party. Or are they? Maybe she will take democratic Party money to target them? She surely cannt t use taxpayer money to d deat them. Or can she?
Requiring companies to "pay back" legitimatly gained bus Ness incentive seems churlish and certainly a formula for panic on Wall Street.
She's campaigning as a socialist because, well, these days a Democrat can't gain the necessary support without a socialist platform. I've heard it said and believe it's true that if socialists understood economics, they wouldn't be socialists.
iris lilies
4-26-16, 12:33pm
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I don't trust Hillary though....she's too cozy with the elite and has received huge speaking fees from the social class that causes many of America's problems. I find her to be the lesser of the evils on offer in 2016 and will as always vote my social class. But I'm not blind. The woman does carry with her enough baggage to sink the Titanic. Rob
Dude! It's her turn!
Stop with your patriarchal negativity already.
:)
gimmethesimplelife
4-26-16, 3:16pm
Honestly, for the life of me.......why did the GOP have only the saddest of the sad as candidates to offer, if they truly want the White House? I myself have issues with Hillary but she will get my vote over what the GOP offers.....at least Dems are speaking of actual issues. Should they win and should anything change remain to be seen. Rob
Ultralight
4-26-16, 3:18pm
Honestly, for the life of me.......why did the GOP have only the saddest of the sad as candidates to offer, if they truly want the White House?
Uh...it matters little. Billary will serve the GOP well in her policies and the wealthy power elite will get well taken care of.
gimmethesimplelife
4-26-16, 3:19pm
Dude! It's her turn!
Stop with your patriarchal negativity already.
:)Her turn whatever. Though I will say that this country is over 200 years old and we're finally getting to the point where a woman may be President? A bit overdue, no? Though I'd prefer Elizabeth Warren over Hillary any day.....Rob
Her turn whatever. Though I will say that this country is over 200 years old and we're finally getting to the point where a woman may be President? A bit overdue, no? Though I'd prefer Elizabeth Warren over Hillary any day.....RobI've recently been given to believe that gender is a social construct. Is it right and/or proper to prefer her because of her sex?
Honestly, for the life of me.......why did the GOP have only the saddest of the sad as candidates to offer, if they truly want the White House? I myself have issues with Hillary but she will get my vote over what the GOP offers.....at least Dems are speaking of actual issues. Should they win and should anything change remain to be seen. Rob
I've had that same thought myself many times the past several months. 2016 should have been a great year. The most likely opponent was a long-service hack encumbered by a truckload of baggage with negative approval ratings usually seen for an unpopular incumbent. Not only that, but she's dealing with a socialist identifying as a Democrat who's pushed her to ridiculous left-wing positions and keeps bringing up her side job as the story lady for bankers. Their debates on "the issues" focus on who will hand out the most free stuff and empty out the prisons faster.
But what do the Republicans do? They decide to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They scour the country to find candidates every bit as unlikable as she is: a vulgarian with liberal big-government instincts who thinks violating the various taboos of political correctness makes you a conservative, and the most hated man in the Senate (at least outside the Democratic Caucus). I could weep.
I've recently been given to believe that gender is a social construct. Is it right and/or proper to prefer her because of her sex?
There is some truth to that. As Gloria Steinem and Susan Brownmiller said of women "We are all female impersonators." So much of how both (all?) genders present themselves follows a social template.
I've recently been given to believe that gender is a social construct. Is it right and/or proper to prefer her because of her sex?
I agree, but the gender I am seen as still has an effect on my life. It is getting much much better however!
I agree, but the gender I am seen as still has an effect on my life. It is getting much much better however!
In the same way race shouldn't matter. And to some people of the dominant (white) race in our culture it doesn't. But to non-white people it does matter because they have to interact with white people for whom race very much does matter. They dont' have the luxury of deciding to only interact with the white people for whom race does not matter.
catherine
4-26-16, 10:26pm
So Trump won big in the Northeast tonight.
And he is a genius--he's cozying up to Bernie, saying the media has treated Bernie as badly as they treated him.. quoting Bernie saying Hillary isn't fit to be President... saying that Bernie would do great if he ran as an independent. Of course, if Bernie runs as an independent, he splits the Democratic vote and Trump strolls to the White House.
This is really too much...
Williamsmith
4-26-16, 11:00pm
So Trump won big in the Northeast tonight.
And he is a genius--he's cozying up to Bernie, saying the media has treated Bernie as badly as they treated him.. quoting Bernie saying Hillary isn't fit to be President... saying that Bernie would do great if he ran as an independent. Of course, if Bernie runs as an independent, he splits the Democratic vote and Trump strolls to the White House.
This is really too much...
Bernie is going back to Vermont for a nice retirement. Clinton would have preferred to crush Cruz in the general election but now she is going to have to deal with the unknown. Are there more elites and progressives than there are pissed off middleclass? How many who feel the Bern, will pull a lever for Hillary over Donald?
The reason Hillary wins is that the Republican establishment is all in on keeping their own presumptive nominee Trump out of the Presidency.
ApatheticNoMore
4-27-16, 3:35am
In the same way race shouldn't matter. And to some people of the dominant (white) race in our culture it doesn't. But to non-white people it does matter because they have to interact with white people for whom race very much does matter. They dont' have the luxury of deciding to only interact with the white people for whom race does not matter.
I'm a woman and I don't know what earthly good it will do for women. One might ask for a rational argument but I suspect there is none. Is there any evidence of women being more equal in countries that have had women leaders than those that haven't? Like say Thatchers Britain. But really most countries on earth have had women leaders at one point, even those where women actually are kind of second class citizens, I think the U.S. is kind of a serious anomaly there. So were women better off afterwards because of it, are women there more equal or have more opportunities relative to men than in the U.S.? Actual evidence. Or how can anyone claim that electing Hillary means ANYTHING AT ALL for women in general unless they can show any evidence of this phenomena actually having happened anywhere. Or are we just supposed to believe any theory at all no matter how little evidence it has?
Now I don't like when Hillary is criticized on sexist grounds (like her clothes etc.) but that is a specific thing, I disapprove of criticism that is specifically gender based and not that would apply regardless of gender, it doesn't mean supporting her.
So Trump won big in the Northeast tonight.
And he is a genius--he's cozying up to Bernie, saying the media has treated Bernie as badly as they treated him.. quoting Bernie saying Hillary isn't fit to be President... saying that Bernie would do great if he ran as an independent. Of course, if Bernie runs as an independent, he splits the Democratic vote and Trump strolls to the White House.
This is really too much...
Driving into work today, I listened to a public radio call in show on the topic of Bernie. The majority of callers insisted that they were with Bernie to the end and would write him in. Party unity was not a priority for them. Even bearing in mind that public radio audiences tend to lean a certain way in politics and reality in general, I thought it was interesting.
Ultralight
4-27-16, 8:51am
Driving into work today, I listened to a public radio call in show on the topic of Bernie. The majority of callers insisted that they were with Bernie to the end and would write him in. Party unity was not a priority for them. Even bearing in mind that public radio audiences tend to lean a certain way in politics and reality in general, I thought it was interesting.
I like this idea. I might just do it!
Driving into work today, I listened to a public radio call in show on the topic of Bernie. The majority of callers insisted that they were with Bernie to the end and would write him in. Party unity was not a priority for them. Even bearing in mind that public radio audiences tend to lean a certain way in politics and reality in general, I thought it was interesting.
While that's tempting I'm old enough to remember the 2000 election disaster and eight years of follow on ramifications. Hopefully Bernie will be able to convince people that a Trump presidency isn't really helpful towards his goals/ideals.
While that's tempting I'm old enough to remember the 2000 election disaster and eight years of follow on ramifications. Hopefully Bernie will be able to convince people that a Trump presidency isn't really helpful towards his goals/ideals.
Based on some of what he's said, he seems to be taking a longer view of the historical dialectic that doesn't necessarily accommodate the best near-term interests of the Democratic Party.
Williamsmith
4-27-16, 9:13am
Driving into work today, I listened to a public radio call in show on the topic of Bernie. The majority of callers insisted that they were with Bernie to the end and would write him in. Party unity was not a priority for them. Even bearing in mind that public radio audiences tend to lean a certain way in politics and reality in general, I thought it was interesting.
While I think the idea is interesting, it reminds me that every once in awhile I go to a nice restaurant that has filet mignon on the menu. I just love the tender juicy taste of a medium rare filet mignon. I sit down and peruse the menu just to go through the motions and just before I order, the price starts to get into my mind. Almost without fail, I opt for a stuffed porkchop or chicken breast.
Ultralight
4-27-16, 9:14am
Based on some of what he's said, he seems to be taking a longer view of the historical dialectic that doesn't necessarily accommodate the best near-term interests of the Democratic Party.
Amen, brother!
Dems have been hoodwinking well-meaning but naive liberals for decades with this vote for the lesser of two evils (me!) crap with all its short-sightedness.
I am writing in The Bern!
While I think the idea is interesting, it reminds me that every once in awhile I go to a nice restaurant that has filet mignon on the menu. I just love the tender juicy taste of a medium rare filet mignon. I sit down and peruse the menu just to go through the motions and just before I order, the price starts to get into my mind. Almost without fail, I opt for a stuffed porkchop or chicken breast.
Why go to a restaurant if you're not going to avail yourself of the best it has to offer? Why not just stay home?
I'm choosing the filet mignon and writing Bernie in.
Based on some of what he's said, he seems to be taking a longer view of the historical dialectic that doesn't necessarily accommodate the best near-term interests of the Democratic Party.
I also seem to remember lots of very angry Clinton supporters 8 years ago vowing not to vote for Obama. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/08/clinton.voters/ In the end it didn't really play out that way. Whether Bernie supporters are more principled or are just talk like Clinton supporters were will only become fully clear in a little over six months.
Why go to a restaurant if you're not going to avail yourself of the best it has to offer? Why not just stay home?
I'm choosing the filet mignon and writing Bernie in.
Because sometimes I'm able to remember the heartburn of a too rich meal so I make a better choice even if it's not what I really want.
I also seem to remember lots of very angry Clinton supporters 8 years ago vowing not to vote for Obama. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/08/clinton.voters/ In the end it didn't really play out that way. Whether Bernie supporters are more principled or are just talk like Clinton supporters were will only become fully clear in a little over six months.
I remember that. They called themselves PUMAs.
Because sometimes I'm able to remember the heartburn of a too rich meal so I make a better choice even if it's not what I really want.
Nothing wrong with self-restraint, but I'd rather deny myself the junk food and go for the real nutrition.
Nothing wrong with self-restraint, but I'd rather deny myself the junk food and go for the real nutrition.
I certainly agree that Bernie Sanders is more nutritious (in this metaphorical context) than Clinton. But I question whether writing him in in November will get me much metaphorical nutrition. The heartburn of a Trump presidency might outweigh that Bernie nutrition. Unplanned revolutions rarely end the way the participants expect, and trying to win the Bernie revolution with a Trump presidency is about as unplanned as one can get.
It seems nobody will have much by way of happy choices this year. Except perhaps stakeholders in the Clinton Foundation.
Ultralight
4-27-16, 9:45am
I'm choosing the filet mignon and writing Bernie in.
Amen, sistah!
Ultralight
4-27-16, 10:01am
How did that Cruz-Kasich Alliance pan out?
How did that Cruz-Kasich Alliance pan out?
About as well as the Hitler-Stalin Nonaggression Pact.
Ultralight
4-27-16, 10:13am
About as well as the Hitler-Stalin Nonaggression Pact.
Glib. haha
But really? Did it work at all?
I certainly agree that Bernie Sanders is more nutritious (in this metaphorical context) than Clinton. But I question whether writing him in in November will get me much metaphorical nutrition. The heartburn of a Trump presidency might outweigh that Bernie nutrition. Unplanned revolutions rarely end the way the participants expect, and trying to win the Bernie revolution with a Trump presidency is about as unplanned as one can get.
And to carry this food metaphor to its end, Hillary is like a big mac. (it was, after all, Bill's favorite food for years) Everyone knows what's inside. No surprise. Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, on a sesame seed bun. Not at all inspiring or new or interesting. Bernie is like a good Neiman Ranch burger. Medium rare. Not overdone. I would certianly rather have the second, but if too many people in November vote for the Bernie burger, not only will we not get Bernie burgers, but we won't get the Big Mac either. Instead the whole country will be stuck with a nasty steaming pack of White Castle sliders. Greasy and vile and sending us all running for the bathroom with a big case of the sh**s.
Glib. haha
But really? Did it work at all?
Well, Trump won all five states with 50-60% of the vote, so I'm inclined to think it didn't.
California may actually matter this year. That's how bleak things are.
catherine
4-27-16, 10:26am
And to carry this food metaphor to its end, Hillary is like a big mac. (it was, after all, Bill's favorite food for years) Everyone knows what's inside. No surprise. Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, on a sesame seed bun. Not at all inspiring or new or interesting. Bernie is like a good Neiman Ranch burger. Medium rare. Not overdone. I would certianly rather have the second, but if too many people in November vote for the Bernie burger, not only will we not get Bernie burgers, but we won't get the Big Mac either. Instead the whole country will be stuck with a nasty steaming pack of White Castle sliders. Greasy and vile and sending us all running for the bathroom with a big case of the sh**s.
haha... good points. In any case, this menu calls for a change of restaurant management...
Ultralight
4-27-16, 10:33am
California may actually matter this year. That's how bleak things are.
Forgive my ignorance, but why would Cali matter?
Ultralight
4-27-16, 10:33am
And to carry this food metaphor to its end, Hillary is like a big mac. (it was, after all, Bill's favorite food for years) Everyone knows what's inside. No surprise. Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, on a sesame seed bun. Not at all inspiring or new or interesting. Bernie is like a good Neiman Ranch burger. Medium rare. Not overdone. I would certianly rather have the second, but if too many people in November vote for the Bernie burger, not only will we not get Bernie burgers, but we won't get the Big Mac either. Instead the whole country will be stuck with a nasty steaming pack of White Castle sliders. Greasy and vile and sending us all running for the bathroom with a big case of the sh**s.
Americans could stand to skip a meal. We are a big and gluttonous folk.
Instead the whole country will be stuck with a nasty steaming pack of White Castle sliders. Greasy and vile and sending us all running for the bathroom with a big case of the sh**s.
Clearly you have no concept of fine cuisine. White Castle is one of this county's great institutions. Anyone who would deliberately choose a Big Mac over a WC slider five-pack is more to be pitied than despised.
Forgive my ignorance, but why would Cali matter?
I think it will be that close that the delegate count will be below 1237 for Mr. T. When the Circus comes to Lotusland.
Ultralight
4-27-16, 10:41am
Clearly you have no concept of fine cuisine. White Castle is one of this county's great institutions. Anyone who would deliberately choose a Big Mac over a WC slider five-pack is more to be pitied than despised.
White Castle is big here in ColumbOhio.
An acquaintance of mine is a long time vegetarian -- he jogs, plays soccer, eats at Whole Foods salad/hot bar daily.
And he says the only thing -- the only thing! -- he misses from his meat-eating days is White Castle sliders! hahaha
California may actually matter this year. That's how bleak things are.
Personally I happen to think it's awesome that the california primary might actually matter this year!
Ultralight
4-27-16, 10:42am
I think it will be that close that the delegate count will be below 1237 for Mr. T. When the Circus comes to Lotusland.
Oh wow...
White Castle is big here in ColumbOhio.
An acquaintance of mine is a long time vegetarian -- he jogs, plays soccer, eats at Whole Foods salad/hot bar daily.
And he says the only thing -- the only thing! -- he misses from his meat-eating days is White Castle sliders! hahaha
Is he still allowed to eat their top-flight onion rings?
No amount of kale will buy you immortality. If sliders shave a year or two off my life, it will be a small enough price to pay.
Clearly you have no concept of fine cuisine. White Castle is one of this county's great institutions. Anyone who would deliberately choose a Big Mac over a WC slider five-pack is more to be pitied than despised.
FOr me White Castle is just a bus stop in Jersey City. I used to ride a private bus company bus (Community Lines) to work every morning. The buses were beat up old airport shuttle buses that didn't even have a stop rope to signal one's stop. Instead people just called out "Next Stop!" or "La Parada!". But the last stop before the terminal was always called out by name, "White Castle!"
Edited to add: And in fact, google street view shows one of the Community Lines buses headed up the street across from the White Castle stop. https://www.google.com/maps/place/White+Castle/@40.7358654,-74.0630138,3a,75y,47.37h,84.65t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3nqPUu6O3KMPQ9aZemKFew!2e0!6s% 2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D3nqPUu6O3KMPQ 9aZemKFew%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_ sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26y aw%3D351.36014%26pitch%3D0!7i3328!8i1664!4m7!1m4!3 m3!1s0x89c25730693c1edb:0xc6e9078787948604!2sWhite +Castle!3b1!3m1!1s0x89c25730693c1edb:0xc6e90787879 48604!6m1!1e1
FOr me White Castle is just a bus stop in Jersey City. I used to ride a private bus company bus (Community Lines) to work every morning. The buses were beat up old airport shuttle buses that didn't even have a stop rope to signal one's stop. Instead people just called out "Next Stop!" or "La Parada!". But the last stop before the terminal was always called out by name, "White Castle!"
I have always found New Jersey to be a civilized place. Except maybe parts of Newark.
catherine
4-27-16, 11:03am
Edited to add: And in fact, google street view shows one of the Community Lines buses headed up the street across from the White Castle stop. https://www.google.com/maps/place/White+Castle/@40.7358654,-74.0630138,3a,75y,47.37h,84.65t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3nqPUu6O3KMPQ9aZemKFew!2e0!6s% 2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D3nqPUu6O3KMPQ 9aZemKFew%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_ sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26y aw%3D351.36014%26pitch%3D0!7i3328!8i1664!4m7!1m4!3 m3!1s0x89c25730693c1edb:0xc6e9078787948604!2sWhite +Castle!3b1!3m1!1s0x89c25730693c1edb:0xc6e90787879 48604!6m1!1e1
Haha.. I'd pass this along to my son who works in Jersey City, but since I care about his health, I'll pass...
No, my greasy burger of choice has always been McD's. My first one was when the bus stopped on the way back from an elementary school field trip to the Passion Play in Hartford, CT. I hated hamburgers at the time, so I stepped up to the window and never having heard of McDonalds, I asked them if they had hot dogs and I still remember getting a laugh from the question. So I got the hamburger and fell in love with the combination of mustard, ketchup and pickles on that little meat-anemic patty. After that, when I got to high school they had built a McDonald's in my town and every day on my walk home from school I spent .19 for a burger and was happy to do it.
I haven't had a McD's burger in years now, since I became vegetarian, but from time to time, I do get cravings, I'll admit.
iris lilies
4-27-16, 11:08am
Haha.. I'd pass this along to my son who works in Jersey City, but since I care about his health, I'll pass...
No, my greasy burger of choice has always been McD's. My first one was when the bus stopped on the way back from an elementary school field trip to the Passion Play in Hartford, CT. I hated hamburgers at the time, so I stepped up to the window and never having heard of McDonalds, I asked them if they had hot dogs and I still remember getting a laugh from the question. So I got the hamburger and fell in love with the combination of mustard, ketchup and pickles on that little meat-anemic patty. After that, when I got to high school they had built a McDonald's in my town and every day on my walk home from school I spent .19 for a burger and was happy to do it.
I haven't had a McD's burger in years now, since I became vegetarian, but from time to time, I do get cravings, I'll admit.
There IS something about that mustard trio, thats what makes it. Weird.
Williamsmith
4-27-16, 12:07pm
The "Rust Belt" has spoken. One party has chosen to tie themselves to the mast and plug their ears with beeswax. The Bern can sing his siren song all he wants but no one is going to respond. The Republicans are a different story. They have heard, they have fallen asleep and they will be devoured.
It shouldn't amaze anyone that this is the case. Anyone that is who grew up in the rust belt in the 1960s and came of age in the 1970s. Anyone whose father worked in the once industrial center of America, the steel industry's place of origin. Anyone whose middleclass status has been turned from a gleaming steel bloom to a rusted pot metal scab. Whose future has turned from promise to depression.
I was too young to understand at the time. My father was forced into early retirement. It seemed steel was not doing so well. And after retirement his company declared bankruptcy and cut his pension by a third. By then he was already disabled by heart disease and too old to get a supplemental job. I didn't know what NAFTA was, trade policies, over production, lessening demand. I couldn't see what oil had to do with it. All I knew is that our fortunes had been compromised and now, we would see how tough we really were.
Forty to fifty years later, both Republican and Democratic Presidents have come and gone and no real Renaissance has come. Investment banks and pharmaseudical companies have sprouted where once proud men and women worked shifts making a strong infrastructure for the country.
I have been very lucky. I managed to get a big enough piece to satisfy me. So I am not listening to the siren songs. I have adapted.
ApatheticNoMore
4-27-16, 12:08pm
I don't really get cravings for fast food hamburgers and so on. That stuff is gross. Pink slime :~). I'll eat a homemade hamburger occasionally.
But anyway as for convincing Bernie supporters Hillary is in their best interest, there is no clear evidence she is if they are assumed to want Democrats to win, and not because Trump is wonderful. If Hillary wins Republicans will probably continue to have Congress. If Trump wins they might lose it. Why? Because neither Hillary nor Trump are really popular or well liked people and that is likely to become more so the more we see of them. So if you want to throw out a bunch of jargon about dialectics and stuff, it's really not that complex and can be expressed in a one sentence hypothesis: the midterm elections reflect the popularity of the President and this is taken out on the President's party.
Also years and years of bad leaders are not in anyone's best interest, they are why people like Trump are semi-viable, because of years of bad leadership (even if he won the Presidency, it would be among record low turnout, to give you an idea how semi-viable he really is - yea he can win in a broken system whose choices displease most voters).
And so you have to vote for someone like Hillary and in the end will have done so for what exactly? Selling one's soul and one's vote on the cheap indeed.
Ultralight
4-27-16, 2:13pm
Is he still allowed to eat their top-flight onion rings?
No amount of kale will buy you immortality. If sliders shave a year or two off my life, it will be a small enough price to pay.
Good question. I know he tried their veggie burger slider. His review: "It is just not the same!" haha
Good question. I know he tried their veggie burger slider. His review: "It is just not the same!" haha
Make-believe meat is never the answer. It is the culinary equivalent of an inflatable girlfriend.
Ultralight
4-27-16, 2:24pm
Make-believe meat is never the answer. It is the culinary equivalent of an inflatable girlfriend.
Hahahaha!
I don't really get cravings for fast food hamburgers and so on. That stuff is gross. Pink slime :~). I'll eat a homemade hamburger occasionally.
But anyway as for convincing Bernie supporters Hillary is in their best interest, there is no clear evidence she is if they are assumed to want Democrats to win, and not because Trump is wonderful. If Hillary wins Republicans will probably continue to have Congress. If Trump wins they might lose it. Why? Because neither Hillary nor Trump are really popular or well liked people and that is likely to become more so the more we see of them. So if you want to throw out a bunch of jargon about dialectics and stuff, it's really not that complex and can be expressed in a one sentence hypothesis: the midterm elections reflect the popularity of the President and this is taken out on the President's party.
Also years and years of bad leaders are not in anyone's best interest, they are why people like Trump are semi-viable, because of years of bad leadership (even if he won the Presidency, it would be among record low turnout, to give you an idea how semi-viable he really is - yea he can win in a broken system whose choices displease most voters).
And so you have to vote for someone like Hillary and in the end will have done so for what exactly? Selling one's soul and one's vote on the cheap indeed.
The WC slider does require an educated palate.
Much as the voters moved Congress into a blocking position after the first two years of Obama, we could see the same thing for either Trump or Clinton. And if Obama was unable to "go over their heads to the people", certainly people with 50+ percent negative approval from day one won't.
I'm not sure I see a damage-control vote as selling out. I see it as making the best of a lousy situation. Although we clearly disagree on what would constitute "damage." I was never one to take my ball and go home, even when I'm getting smoked (which seems likely this year).
I'm not sure I see a damage-control vote as selling out. I see it as making the best of a lousy situation. Although we clearly disagree on what would constitute "damage." I was never one to take my ball and go home, even when I'm getting smoked (which seems likely this year).
I don't see it as selling out. I may be overly hopeful but I feel that Hillary is going to have to win over Bernie supporters and commit to doing some of the things the people have voted the most loudly on. I do think Bernie would win some people over by simply not being tied to big money. No matter what I am going to make an informed vote with what I have, and pay attention to smaller races as well.
iris lilies
4-27-16, 5:57pm
I had WC sliders with cheese just last Saturday. Do they do thatbstupid routhe where theynask your name and then all employees shout "hi Iris!" .??
It is stupidly funny.
iris lilies
4-27-16, 6:02pm
The WC slider does require an educated palate.
Much as the voters moved Congress into a blocking position after the first two years of Obama, we could see the same thing for either Trump or Clinton. And if Obama was unable to "go over their heads to the people", certainly people with 50+ percent negative approval from day one won't.
I'm not sure I see a damage-control vote as selling out. I see it as making the best of a lousy situation. Although we clearly disagree on what would constitute "damage." I was never one to take my ball and go home, even when I'm getting smoked (which seems likely this year).
i am playing the long game. I want to rebuild the Republican Party and will likely vote
libertarian in order to do that.
Cult leader D. Trump could accomplish quite a bit toward that goal,even though ideaologcially he would contribute nothing, but I don't think he's gonna go that route.
rosarugosa
4-27-16, 7:50pm
I'm voting for Bernie in November, whether he's on the ballot or not. I find Clinton & Trump equally despicable and I'm not voting for either one of them.
Teacher Terry
4-27-16, 7:56pm
WS: I grew up in the Midwest and came of age in early 70's. My father worked at a car maker and it gave us a really good living with a great pension, medical benefits, etc. every time someone bought out the company they would worry about the new owners but they followed through on the promises and after my Dad died my Mom collected. All told between the 2 of them they lived 37 years on that pension. My Dad had to retire at 53 because of illness/disability. They had $ saved too but in the end since my Mom lived so long she was living on the pension and SS just fine.
Williamsmith
4-27-16, 8:01pm
WS: I grew up in the Midwest and came of age in early 70's. My father worked at a car maker and it gave us a really good living with a great pension, medical benefits, etc. every time someone bought out the company they would worry about the new owners but they followed through on the promises and after my Dad died my Mom collected. All told between the 2 of them they lived 37 years on that pension. My Dad had to retire at 53 because of illness/disability. They had $ saved too but in the end since my Mom lived so long she was living on the pension and SS just fine.
I guess that's why the taxpayers eventually bailed out the automakers. As UA would say.....good on you.
Williamsmith
5-18-16, 6:15am
Does anyone want to talk about the presumptive democratic nominee? The one that lost Oregon last night and barely eeked out Kentucky with a little shenanigans probably. RealClear Politics has Trump in a statistical tie with Hillary whereas Sanders crushes him.
It is clear the democratic electorate would like to move left but Clinton is not only going to block that with the help of Debbie Wasserman Shultz and the DNC, she is going to have a tough time keeping the Oval Office in democrat hands. A chance of a lifetime spoiled because it is her turn. Not because anyone believes in anything she believes in. Incredible.
Ultralight
5-18-16, 7:14am
Does anyone want to talk about the presumptive democratic nominee? The one that lost Oregon last night and barely eeked out Kentucky with a little shenanigans probably. RealClear Politics has Trump in a statistical tie with Hillary whereas Sanders crushes him.
It is clear the democratic electorate would like to move left but Clinton is not only going to block that with the help of Debbie Wasserman Shultz and the DNC, she is going to have a tough time keeping the Oval Office in democrat hands. A chance of a lifetime spoiled because it is her turn. Not because anyone believes in anything she believes in. Incredible.
Billary gets the Dem nod and I vote Trump.
Ultralight
5-18-16, 7:42am
One more thing:
I must say that this is the most interesting political time of my life. Anyone else feel this way?
Obviously, those of you who came of age in the 1960s probably feel differently.
But those of you younger than that, this is some crazy chit, right? lol
One more thing:
I must say that this is the most interesting political time of my life. Anyone else feel this way?
Obviously, those of you who came of age in the 1960s probably feel differently.
But those of you younger than that, this is some crazy chit, right? lol
That depends how you define "interesting". I prefer the early eighties, when Reagan brought us out of our national funk.
This period is interesting in the sense of not being able to look away from a car wreck.
Ultralight
5-18-16, 9:22am
The early 1980s certainly brought us a lot of interesting music, but for we leftos it was the political dark ages...
I think the polls are going to have a tough time predicting this one, at least at this point. Hillary will need to garner Bernie's supporters and there will be party lines crossed among republicans. Even the Koch bros. have said so much. Not to mention the independents. The debates will be interesting, but I think many will be voting for the least offensive personality rather than the actual issues. It won't be over until it's over.
It's the most interesting political time in my recent recollection, at least without going back to Nixon and Kennedy. Although the Obama campaign and the first black president was nothing to scoff at.
RoseQuartz
5-18-16, 9:49am
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I'm voting for Bernie in November, whether he's on the ballot or not. I find Clinton & Trump equally despicable and I'm not voting for either one of them.
I'm leaning that way. Sometimes, I surprise myself.
I don't think Hillary is the devil; I just can't bring myself to fall into line with what is obviously an establishment candidate.
It won't make the slightest difference--I live in a liberal paradise :) where the Democratic candidate is bound to prevail.
catherine
5-18-16, 10:48am
I'm leaning that way. Sometimes, I surprise myself.
Yup, me too. I am SO bummed because I'm going to be in Phoenix on primary day in NJ, so I'm going to be mailing in an absentee ballot and I'm also planning on hanging a BIG Vote 4 Bernie sign in my back yard, which faces the polling site.
gimmethesimplelife
5-18-16, 10:58am
One more thing:
I must say that this is the most interesting political time of my life. Anyone else feel this way?
Obviously, those of you who came of age in the 1960s probably feel differently.
But those of you younger than that, this is some crazy chit, right? lolVery crazy....I couldn't agree more. Carly Fiorina singing after accepting Ted Cruz's (Mr. I'm Immune From Common Sense And A Second Passport Means Nothing To Me) offer to be his VP for a non-existent ticket for six whole days.....that just was Twilight Zone for me. Where is Rod Serling when you need him? Rob
Ultralight
5-18-16, 11:02am
Yeah, I been to 8 county fairs and one goat rodeo and I ain't never seen nothin' like that.
gimmethesimplelife
5-18-16, 11:03am
I'm voting for Bernie in November, whether he's on the ballot or not. I find Clinton & Trump equally despicable and I'm not voting for either one of them.I'd be tempted to do the same.....only thing that stops me is my already stated fear of Mexico blocking access to affordable medical and dental across the border. Hillary will not antagonize Mexico into this stance as Trump might so for moral and ethical reasons I'm compelled to vote for her. I'd much rather have Bernie, though.....I'm not especially fond of Hillary. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
5-18-16, 11:09am
Yup, me too. I am SO bummed because I'm going to be in Phoenix on primary day in NJ, so I'm going to be mailing in an absentee ballot and I'm also planning on hanging a BIG Vote 4 Bernry ie sign in my back yard, which faces ttehe rypolling site.Catherine, just wanted to say Welcome to Phoenix! I hope you enjoy your stay here. It's very sprawling but there are interesting things to see and do here. If you are short on time, try to check out Tempe Town Lake right off the light rail. Very easy to access and it's the second most visited site in Arizona by out of towners. Rob
Ultralight
5-18-16, 11:11am
Tempe Town Lake is fun and strange. :)
I peddled by bike around that area.
A stroll around ASU campus would be fun too.
Will you have much free time?
I peddled by bike around that area.
Did you get any takers?
Ultralight
5-18-16, 11:15am
Did you get any takers?
I rode my bike around that area. haha
catherine
5-18-16, 11:19am
Catherine, just wanted to say Welcome to Phoenix! I hope you enjoy your stay here. It's very sprawling but there are interesting things to see and do here. If you are short on time, try to check out Tempe Town Lake right off the light rail. Very easy to access and it's the second most visited site in Arizona by out of towners. Rob
Thanks, Rob!! I'll be there on business, coming through from Denver. I typically stay in Scottsdale, since that's where the market research facility is. I don't often have a lot of time for fun.
One time my son was actually working in Phoenix in the winter and he took me on a WONDERFUL whirlwind 24 hour tour of a hike up Camelback (which nearly killed me--unlike the Green Mountains, there's NO bramble to grasp onto!), a walk through Taliesin West (AMAZING), a stroll through the Botanical Garden (beautiful and prickly!) and then we TRIED to see the Norman Rockwell museum but it was closed by that time. It was such a memorable experience.
I'll try to catch the Tempe Town Lake for sure! Thanks for the tip.
Did you get any takers?
:laff::laff::laff:
The early 1980s certainly brought us a lot of interesting music, but for we leftos it was the political dark ages...
This period may go down as the weird ages. Now I'm seeing Trump and bloody Megyn Kelly in a pleasant tete a tete while Sanders supporters make death threats and throw chairs.
Williamsmith
5-18-16, 1:23pm
I just wish Megyn hadn't cut her hair.
I just wish Megyn hadn't cut her hair.
I hope the trans bathroom police don't give her a hard time now.
I hope the trans bathroom police don't give her a hard time now.
I thought that was Ann Coulter that liberal women didn't want in their bathroom.
iris lilies
5-18-16, 1:56pm
I thought that was Ann Coulter that liberal women didn't want in their bathroom.
I remember when someone on thsi site postulated that Coulter was in fact trans. I think imwas Jonathan? So that would have been a long time ago.
I remember when someone on thsi site postulated that Coulter was in fact trans. I think imwas Jonathan? So that would have been a long time ago.
Yep, me too. I just can't remember who it was.
I'm puzzled as to why Bernie is still in it. Is there still some improbable combination of events under which he can win the nomination? Has he got a reliable source in the FBI?
I'm puzzled as to why Bernie is still in it. Is there still some improbable combination of events under which he can win the nomination? Has he got a reliable source in the FBI?
He has a pretty rabid following, and I think he senses a responsibility to see it through to the bitter end. People who want Hillary are practical, but people who want Bernie are passionate, and there's no substitute for that. If you want to send a message to Washington, you use the voices of your constituency and if they are filling stadiums and shouting "Bernie or Bust" as they did last night, it's not easy to pull the plug.
He has a pretty rabid following, and I think he senses a responsibility to see it through to the bitter end. People who want Hillary are practical, but people who want Bernie are passionate, and there's no substitute for that. If you want to send a message to Washington, you use the voices of your constituency and if they are filling stadiums and shouting "Bernie or Bust" as they did last night, it's not easy to pull the plug.
So until "virtually impossible" becomes "absolutely impossible" he's going to keep riding the tiger? I can't believe he's making a lot of friends in the party doing that.
I'm puzzled as to why Bernie is still in it. Is there still some improbable combination of events under which he can win the nomination? Has he got a reliable source in the FBI?I think he's praying for an indictment. If that happens while he's in the race, he has a much stronger case against the DNC who would probably award all her delegates to their next-in-line favorite, Joe Biden, in the absence of an active contender.
At this point, I think he'd be foolish to suspend his campaign.
Ultralight
5-18-16, 4:56pm
She is above the law.
So until "virtually impossible" becomes "absolutely impossible" he's going to keep riding the tiger? I can't believe he's making a lot of friends in the party doing that.
Definitely not, especially Hill's pal Debbie Wasserman Schultz. But frankly, I don't think he cares.
I'm puzzled as to why Bernie is still in it. Is there still some improbable combination of events under which he can win the nomination? Has he got a reliable source in the FBI?
There's the nomination - but there's also the DNC. The nominee does not decree the party platform, maybe he feels he might have some sway?
Also I can see folks running for other offices running as "Clinton style democrats" or "Sanders style democrats". In some states, I think "Sanders style democrat" might play better.
Williamsmith
5-18-16, 9:07pm
There's the nomination - but there's also the DNC. The nominee does not decree the party platform, maybe he feels he might have some sway?
Also I can see folks running for other offices running as "Clinton style democrats" or "Sanders style democrats". In some states, I think "Sanders style democrat" might play better.
He's in it for the groupies.
He's in it for the groupies.
Sounds like as good of a reason as any. Look at Dennis Kucinich. He managed to woo his wife after he explained to her his idea for a Department of Peace. She's a total hottie so maybe going after the groupies is a good idea. And really, who can resist a dude that can get a little birdie to come sit on his podium!
I'm puzzled as to why Bernie is still in it. Is there still some improbable combination of events under which he can win the nomination? Has he got a reliable source in the FBI?
So the NYT answers your question--saying they're in it no matter what to change the way political campaigns are waged. In addition, looks like Alan is right: he's hoping for a stumble.
In addition--there's the argument that really, Sanders v Trump has a MUCH better chance of keeping Dems in the White House than Clinton v Trump.
"Advisers to Mr. Sanders said on Wednesday that he was newly resolved to remain in the race, seeing an aggressive campaign as his only chance to pressure Democrats into making fundamental changes to how presidential primaries and debates are held in the future. They said he also held out hope of capitalizing on any late stumbles by Mrs. Clinton or any damage to her candidacy, whether by scandal or by the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald J. Trump.
Mr. Sanders, his advisers said, has been buoyed by a stream of polls showing him beating Mr. Trump by larger margins than Mrs. Clinton in some battleground states, and by his belief that an upset victory in California could have a psychological impact on convention delegates who already have doubts about Mrs. Clinton."
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/us/politics/bernie-sanderss-campaign-accuses-head-of-dnc-of-favoritism.html?WT.mc_id=2016-MAY-OTB_AUD_DEV-0501-0531&WT.mc_ev=click&ad-keywords=AUDDEVREMARK
So the NYT answers your question--saying they're in it no matter what to change the way political campaigns are waged. In addition, looks like Alan is right: he's hoping for a stumble.
In addition--there's the argument that really, Sanders v Trump has a MUCH better chance of keeping Dems in the White House than Clinton v Trump.
"Advisers to Mr. Sanders said on Wednesday that he was newly resolved to remain in the race, seeing an aggressive campaign as his only chance to pressure Democrats into making fundamental changes to how presidential primaries and debates are held in the future. They said he also held out hope of capitalizing on any late stumbles by Mrs. Clinton or any damage to her candidacy, whether by scandal or by the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald J. Trump.
Mr. Sanders, his advisers said, has been buoyed by a stream of polls showing him beating Mr. Trump by larger margins than Mrs. Clinton in some battleground states, and by his belief that an upset victory in California could have a psychological impact on convention delegates who already have doubts about Mrs. Clinton."
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/us/politics/bernie-sanderss-campaign-accuses-head-of-dnc-of-favoritism.html?WT.mc_id=2016-MAY-OTB_AUD_DEV-0501-0531&WT.mc_ev=click&ad-keywords=AUDDEVREMARK
I suppose that if you've got the money and are enjoying yourself, there's no reason not to defy the odds. Especially if your affiliation to the party isn't particularly strong and you're not worried about the unity issue.
There's the nomination - but there's also the DNC. The nominee does not decree the party platform, maybe he feels he might have some sway?
Also I can see folks running for other offices running as "Clinton style democrats" or "Sanders style democrats". In some states, I think "Sanders style democrat" might play better.
Sure. This is as it always has been. The close also-rans serve a valuable purpose in helping to define the platform and clue in the party on the mood of the base. He has already pulled Hill a little more to the left on some issues. That's a good purpose.
Unfortunately for the right, Donald doesn't know the rules or want to play by them. He doesn't give a rip about the base except how to play them, and after all, he IS appealing to the base. That's who he is. But I suspect that if he wasn't, he wouldn't move for anyone. Oh he would for a bit to play them, but sooner or later he shows his true colors. Lucky for him, the republican base believes exactly as he does. His real challenge now is to appeal to the rest of the party who doesn't. He'll try, but again, changing spots and all... Again, lucky for him, republicans would fall behind Stalin if he had an R behind his name.:|(
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Bernie was a long shot from the beginning. I think his whole reason for running was not to win, but to get a message out, which he continues to do successfully.
Williamsmith
5-20-16, 2:03pm
The Democratic Party has a bigger problem than the Republicans. The Dems are split almost equally in half by contrasting ideologies. Socialism vs. Democratic Favoritism. There is enough difference to create a third party. The base on the Republican Party is just angry that they have rolled over to progressives over and over and over. Once a true leader comes along, they will cohabit once again. Unless, someone like Cruz can start a third party radical Christian wing to advance a taliban like social agenda.
Bernie just needs to drop the Democratic moniker and admit to full blown socialism.
Ultralight
5-20-16, 2:05pm
Bernie just needs to drop the Democratic moniker and admit to full blown socialism.
I think he should run as an independent in the general election.
I think he should run as an independent in the general election.
I think that would be an excellent idea.
Bernie just needs to drop the Democratic moniker and admit to full blown socialism.
And become as dishonest as the other candidates?
Teacher Terry
5-20-16, 7:06pm
That would be a bad idea. If he loses he should endorse Clinton. As bad as some think Clinton will be stupid Trump will be much worse.
gimmethesimplelife
5-20-16, 7:46pm
That would be a bad idea. If he loses he should endorse Clinton. As bad as some think Clinton will be stupid Trump will be much worse.Agreed 100 percent. Rob
My hope is that egos will be contained and Hillary and Bernie run as a team! I think it's a pipe dream, but one can hope.
flowerseverywhere
5-21-16, 5:54am
If Bernie is VP what difference will it make? Will he influence policy? Won't Bill be a far greater influence? List Biden's accomplishments for example.
I don't see Bernie as VP (funeral attendee). More as a change agent.
I don't see Bernie as VP (funeral attendee). More as a change agent.
That's one thing find a little depressing - so much fighting over the nominees that there's no discussion of what the Democrats will present as a platform at the DNC - that's one place where change could happen, but no one is talking about it.
Bernie just needs to drop the Democratic moniker and admit to full blown socialism.
I expect we're all socialists - just to different degrees.
Williamsmith
6-7-16, 6:03am
I thought I heard fireworks last night outside after the AP declared Clinton the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party for clinching the pledged delegate and super delegates she needs for an "historic" achievement. But when I poked my head outside during the intermission of the Stanley Cup finals between the San Jose Sharks and the Pittsburgh Penguins, I found it was just a summer thunderstorm rolling past. No glee in the heart of the rust belt. Just plenty of yawns.
Clinton said she has more "work to do" and plans to "fight" on. The only work she has ever done to my knowledge is with a microphone in hand collecting millions for talking to rich Goldman Sacks types and the only fighting has been done by the soldiers and embassy members in Lybia whom she allowed to be slaughtered. But hey, who defines work and fighting in this political season? She is good with personal emails though. The most highly qualified politician ever to run for President if knowing how to use the system to your favor and to amass wealth is a measure of qualification.
So, Democratics rejoice. The anointed one......is now anointed. Californians don't matter ........once again.
So, Democratics rejoice. The anointed one......is now anointed. Californians don't matter ........once again.
Today is primary day in my state today, too. You bet I'm going to vote for Bernie. He's not going down without a contested convention, so it ain't over till the old Democratic Socialist sings.
Williamsmith
6-7-16, 6:25am
Today is primary day in my state today, too. You bet I'm going to vote for Bernie. He's not going down without a contested convention, so it ain't over till the old Democratic Socialist sings.
Catherine, enjoy casting your vote for the Bern, to me it would be like giving Hillary a final one finger salute. Now, about Philadelphia, are you sure there isn't a way you guys in New Jersey wouldn't like to adopt one more great liberal city? It's right there on your border.
Today is primary day in my state today, too. You bet I'm going to vote for Bernie. He's not going down without a contested convention, so it ain't over till the old Democratic Socialist sings.
How can there be a contested convention if his opponent has the majority of delegates?
How can there be a contested convention if his opponent has the majority of delegates?
It won't be contested, it'll just be testy.
Williamsmith
6-7-16, 9:59am
How can there be a contested convention if his opponent has the majority of delegates?
Well, according to The Bern, its wrong to count the super delegates that are committed to Clinton because after all, they haven't actually cast their vote for Hillary until the Convention. Have you ever been in the courtroom when you know the fix is in?
http://youtu.be/saQJ8z4714w
How can there be a contested convention if his opponent has the majority of delegates?
If Bernie does well today--if he pulls an upset in CA for instance (they're pretty much neck-and-neck), he can try to pull over the superdelegates she has or challenge them, as Williamsmith said. He'll have more leverage if he continues to win states.
At least that's how I understand it.
Hillary Clinton is certainly as qualified as 99% of presidential candidates; Benghazi is a manufactured scandal. Maybe the Republicans shouldn't have blocked funding for embassy security. And I don't think she's particularly dishonest--especially as compared to the average politician. My problems with Clinton are her apparent eagerness to go to war at the least provocation, her cozy relationship with corporate CEOs, and the notion of dynasty, which is anathema to me. If we're going that route, why not just go back to the monarchy?
Women are apparently held to a different standard--the "walks on water" standard.
If Bernie does well today--if he pulls an upset in CA for instance (they're pretty much neck-and-neck), he can try to pull over the superdelegates she has or challenge them, as Williamsmith said. He'll have more leverage if he continues to win states.
At least that's how I understand it.
If they're close to neck and neck, and the remaining delegates are awarded proportionately, wouldn't that require the mother of all upsets to convince the superdelegates to betray Clinton? Not impossible, but certainly improbable?
Of course, this question is coming from a guy who thought the Trump campaign was a joke or publicity stunt. I suppose anything could happen.
If we're going that route, why not just go back to the monarchy?
Women are apparently held to a different standard--the "walks on water" standard.
And to that point, the monarchy was kinder to "woman's rights"--at least they couldn't take away the crown from Elizabeth, Mary, Victoria, etc--because of birthright. At cracks me up that we're now seeing the news media playing up this "historic" nomination of a woman for president. It almost makes America seem backward, given the number of female heads of state there are and have been all over the world.
Ultralight
6-7-16, 10:28am
I simply cannot make electoral predictions anymore. I made too many incorrect ones about the GOP/Trump. haha
the way I see it.........Trump vs Sanders = change vs change......... Trump vs Clinton = change vs the same
Williamsmith
6-8-16, 8:34am
And to that point, the monarchy was kinder to "woman's rights"--at least they couldn't take away the crown from Elizabeth, Mary, Victoria, etc--because of birthright. At cracks me up that we're now seeing the news media playing up this "historic" nomination of a woman for president. It almost makes America seem backward, given the number of female heads of state there are and have been all over the world.
Today the Clinton News Network will be all over Grumpy old Bernie for not acknowledging the historic achievement of Hillary Clinton, the primary accomplishment being that as a Democratic nominee for President that she is by chromosonal chance born a woman. Not that she is an excellent communicator, leader, administrator, inspiring human(which of course would all be a lie)..no she is a woman. Of all the qualifications they could laud that have to be worked for, they will choose to highlight her sex. Well, if she is elected President, at least it will be over Bernie's dead body. I got to hand to the old man from Vermont. He isn't accepting artificial glass ceilings either.
Today the Clinton News Network will be all over Grumpy old Bernie for not acknowledging the historic achievement of Hillary Clinton, the primary accomplishment being that as a Democratic nominee for President that she is by chromosonal chance born a woman. Not that she is an excellent communicator, leader, administrator, inspiring human(which of course would all be a lie)..no she is a woman. Of all the qualifications they could laud that have to be worked for, they will choose to highlight her sex. Well, if she is elected President, at least it will be over Bernie's dead body. I got to hand to the old man from Vermont. He isn't accepting artificial glass ceilings either.
As he said, "the struggle continues", however irrelevant. I liked how Hillary made a sort of concession speech on his behalf.
I suppose it now comes down to who the voters consider to be the least insufferable.
Today the Clinton News Network will be all over Grumpy old Bernie for not acknowledging the historic achievement of Hillary Clinton, the primary accomplishment being that as a Democratic nominee for President that she is by chromosonal chance born a woman. Not that she is an excellent communicator, leader, administrator, inspiring human(which of course would all be a lie)..no she is a woman. Of all the qualifications they could laud that have to be worked for, they will choose to highlight her sex. Well, if she is elected President, at least it will be over Bernie's dead body. I got to hand to the old man from Vermont. He isn't accepting artificial glass ceilings either.
I predict that if Billary becomes Prez then about three years from now you claim that she set back gender relations in this country by 30 years. haha
Williamsmith
6-8-16, 9:02am
I predict that if Billary becomes Prez then about three years from now you claim that she set back gender relations in this country by 30 years. haha
No UA, I did that all by myself last night while returning home in the wee hours from a lengthy double header between Pittsburgh and New York.......I somehow failed to hear my wife ask twice for me to pull over and get a blanket out for her.
No UA, I did that all by myself last night while returning home in the wee hours from a lengthy double header between Pittsburgh and New York.......I somehow failed to hear my wife ask twice for me to pull over and get a blanket out for her.
When Billary is Prez you'll do jail time for that!
gimmethesimplelife
6-8-16, 9:54am
I'm all for having a woman in this office....I'm just not thrilled with this particular woman. Still, she's got the vote in the 85006 as under her administration there would be no reason to fear that the Mexican border would be closed off to Americans fleeing for huge non-bankruptcy threatening discounts in Mexico. Some will vote for her because she's a woman and it's long overdue a woman held this slot. Even though I'm not fond of her I feel a bit of kinship with her as she's a Scorpio too and I share some of her tenacity when I believe I am right and also some of her stridentness. But for me there's so little positive on offer this election season that it's all about voting for continued non problematic access to Mexican health care. This for me is a new low in American politics but it is what it is. I just hope and pray for millions of Americans locked in relentless nightmare struggles that Trump does not win. Rob
I'm all for having a woman in this office....I'm just not thrilled with this particular woman. Still, she's got the vote in the 85006 as under her administration there would be no reason to fear that the Mexican border would be closed off to Americans fleeing for huge non-bankruptcy threatening discounts in Mexico. Some will vote for her because she's a woman and it's long overdue a woman held this slot. Even though I'm not fond of her I feel a bit of kinship with her as she's a Scorpio too and I share some of her tenacity when I believe I am right and also some of her stridentness. But for me there's so little positive on offer this election season that it's all about voting for continued non problematic access to Mexican health care. This for me is a new low in American politics but it is what it is. I just hope and pray for millions of Americans locked in relentless nightmare struggles that Trump does not win. Rob
I'm a Scorpio here in the 45102 and although I'm not a woman, I am married to one and fathered another, can you relate to me?
Ultralight
6-8-16, 10:13am
I'm a Scorpio here in the 45102 and although I'm not a woman, I am married to one and fathered another, can you relate to me?
Be careful when asking about "relations" of various types in the context of a Clinton.
gimmethesimplelife
6-8-16, 10:24am
I'm a Scorpio here in the 45102 and although I'm not a woman, I am married to one and fathered another, can you relate to me?I'm not surprised you are a Scorpio....not at all. You are very to the point and even though we don't often agree I can respect that. Rob
Ultralight
6-8-16, 10:31am
I saw a video once of a skeptic, I think it was James Randi in it. He went into a college classroom and handed people their horoscopes for that week. He asked people to read them and say what they thought. Virtually everyone was like: "Ooh! I did just meet someone new!" or "I had a job interview, I bet this 'unique opportunity' in the horoscope is referring to that!" and "I do just jump in head first, maybe I should dip my toes in instead, as the horoscope suggests."
Then James Randi was like: "Okay, I switched everyone's horoscopes. Cancers, you actually read the horoscope of Scorpios; Leos, you were reading the horoscopes of Libras" etc.
It was hilarious! You could just see the people squirming when they realized how easily they had been duped.
gimmethesimplelife
6-8-16, 10:35am
I saw a video once of a skeptic, I think it was James Randi in it. He went into a college classroom and handed people their horoscopes for that week. He asked people to read them and say what they thought. Virtually everyone was like: "Ooh! I did just meet someone new!" or "I had a job interview, I bet this 'unique opportunity' in the horoscope is referring to that!" and "I do just jump in head first, maybe I should dip my toes in instead, as the horoscope suggests."
Then James Randi was like: "Okay, I switched everyone's horoscopes. Cancers, you actually read the horoscope of Scorpios; Leos, you were reading the horoscopes of Libras" etc.
It was hilarious! You could just see the people squirming when they realized how easily they had been duped.I believe the basic traits of the signs hold true.....but that the concept can also be taken entirely too far. Rob
Ultralight
6-8-16, 10:37am
I believe the basic traits of the signs hold true...
Why do you believe this?
Be careful when asking about "relations" of various types in the context of a Clinton. The context was Scorpio, not Clinton. I just wondered if astrology, my zip code or gender (maybe I should say 'perceived gender' as that seems to now be fungible) may influence others opinions.
Ultralight
6-8-16, 10:43am
I believe the basic traits of the signs hold true.....but that the concept can also be taken entirely too far. Rob
Based on my basic traits here, what sign would you guess is mine?
I saw a video once of a skeptic, I think it was James Randi in it. He went into a college classroom and handed people their horoscopes for that week. He asked people to read them and say what they thought. Virtually everyone was like: "Ooh! I did just meet someone new!" or "I had a job interview, I bet this 'unique opportunity' in the horoscope is referring to that!" and "I do just jump in head first, maybe I should dip my toes in instead, as the horoscope suggests."
Then James Randi was like: "Okay, I switched everyone's horoscopes. Cancers, you actually read the horoscope of Scorpios; Leos, you were reading the horoscopes of Libras" etc.
It was hilarious! You could just see the people squirming when they realized how easily they had been duped.
At a recent management retreat, we spent half a day on Gallup's "Strenthfinder" assessment. The lesson I learned from it was that if you give people a 20-minute online quiz and assign them to categories that tell them vaguely positive things about themselves, they will lap it up. Whether the jiggery-pokery is in the form of conclusions drawn from patterns in the stars or computer-assisted psychobabble, you can't go far wrong making it all about ME.
gimmethesimplelife
6-8-16, 10:50am
The context was Scorpio, not Clinton. I just wondered if astrology, my zip code or gender (maybe I should say 'current gender' as that seems to now be fungible) may influence others opinions.It's trendy right now in the 85006 to throw around the zip code.....it's like owning it in a way. It's a very blue zip code in a red state and the media stereotypes of Arizona don't hold up very well here. It's not an anti American zip code either but it's full of realists who see things as they are. I'd have a bit of culture shock if I lived in one of the "nicer" zip codes to the north of me. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
6-8-16, 10:52am
Based on my basic traits here, what sign would you guess is mine?Can't say, we haven't interacted enough. In Alan's case I can see Scorpio as he's very direct, much like I am. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
6-8-16, 10:53am
Why do you believe this?I have all the basic Scorpio traits.....to read them is like reading a textbook definition of myself. Rob
Ultralight
6-8-16, 10:55am
At a recent management retreat, we spent half a day on Gallup's "Strenthfinder" assessment. The lesson I learned from it was that if you give people a 20-minute online quiz and assign them to categories that tell them vaguely positive things about themselves, they will lap it up. Whether the jiggery-pokery is in the form of conclusions drawn from patterns in the stars or computer-assisted psychobabble, you can't go far wrong making it all about ME.
The do that one at my work sometimes. They also did DISC Assessment, which is similar. I have also undergone the Meyers Briggs one too.
I don't put much stock in that stuff.
I managed to guess my dentist's sign yesterday. It may well have been luck, but who know. Based on the fact that her office is furnished in a style more like a high end spa than a dental office I asked her if she was a Capricorn. And, yes, she is.
And as a fellow Scorpio I also feel like reading the supposed basic traits is like reading a description of myself. The daily horrorscopes, on the other hand, I assume to be just a bunch of wasted ink(electrons).
The do that one at my work sometimes. They also did DISC Assessment, which is similar. I have also undergone the Meyers Briggs one too.
I don't put much stock in that stuff.
When i did disc training and at the end we all broke out into our four respective groups of personality types to plan a ten minute presentation of our type it was interesting to watch the different groups. The leader group immediately started yelling at each other arguing about who was going to get to speak first. My group all immediately started pouring through our notes and no one said anything for about five minutes.
Williamsmith
6-8-16, 12:45pm
Pretty funny that Hillary is also a Scorpio. I guess this thread is just for Scorpios.
Ultralight
6-8-16, 12:46pm
When i did disc training and at the end we all broke out into our four respective groups of personality types to plan a ten minute presentation of our type it was interesting to watch the different groups. The leader group immediately started yelling at each other arguing about who was going to get to speak first. My group all immediately started pouring through our notes and no one said anything for about five minutes.
Hmmm... Interesting. I came up as a D/Dc in DISC.
Ultralight
6-8-16, 12:48pm
Would you have guessed I am a capricorn? Be honest!
Strengths: Responsible, disciplined, self-control, good managers
Weaknesses: Know-it-all, unforgiving, condescending, expecting the worst
Capricorn likes: Family, tradition, music, understated status, quality craftsmanship
Capricorn dislikes: Almost everything at some point
Ah, astrology. It's all clear now...
Ah, astrology. It's all clear now...
Responsibility, n. A detachable burden easily shifted to the shoulders of God, Fate, Fortune, Luck or one's neighbor. In the days of astrology it was customary to unload it upon a star. ~Ambrose Bierce
Responsibility, n. A detachable burden easily shifted to the shoulders of God, Fate, Fortune, Luck or one's neighbor. In the days of astrology it was customary to unload it upon a star. ~Ambrose Bierce
When you wish upon a star
Makes no difference who you are
Anything your heart desires
Will come to you.
If your heart is in your dreams
No request is too extreme
When you wish upon a star
As dreamers do.
"I don't believe in astrology; I'm a Scorpio and we're skeptical." ~Bastardized version of the original quote by Arthur C. Clarke
gimmethesimplelife
6-8-16, 3:35pm
I managed to guess my dentist's sign yesterday. It may well have been luck, but who know. Based on the fact that her office is furnished in a style more like a high end spa than a dental office I asked her if she was a Capricorn. And, yes, she is.
And as a fellow Scorpio I also feel like reading the supposed basic traits is like reading a description of myself. The daily horrorscopes, on the other hand, I assume to be just a bunch of wasted ink(electrons).Interesting that there are some Scorpios here! I couldn't agree with your second paragraph more. Rob
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