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iris lilies
6-23-16, 1:39pm
http://www.people.com/article/first-openly-gay-miss-missouri

Our newly crowned Miss Missouri, delegate to the Miss America contest, is openly gay.

Dont google "Gay Miss Missouri" because you will get a whole different group of "girls."

well, no one can claim that MO is backwards now!

I dont know why trans persons have not been in on this contest yet, they are the ones who have beauty contest stuff down pat.

bae
6-23-16, 1:55pm
I'm not sure why the romantic/sexual preferences of a participant in such a contest is of any interest.

Teacher Terry
6-23-16, 2:16pm
Because in the past they never would have won due to their gender preferences.

ToomuchStuff
6-24-16, 1:20am
I think it would throw a loop in the old speculations, like "is she sleeping with the judges", etc. Otherwise, unless she grabbed another contestant and shoved her tongue down her throat on National TV, the only reason it might be of interest would be her "cause".

ctg492
6-24-16, 5:06am
No offense to anyone. I am so {{tired}} of hearing who is. Instead of making equal and ok as choice should be, to me it makes one sound different because of just making the statement.

Ultralight
6-24-16, 7:40am
No offense to anyone. I am so {{tired}} of hearing who is. Instead of making equal and ok as choice should be, to me it makes one sound different because of just making the statement.

I am not sure being gay is a choice. My reasoning for this is personal. I am straight and I don't really see it as a choice. I see dudes and...uh... nothing. I see women and it is like lighting up with excitement.

Obviously, bisexuals got it made!

But maybe for some it is a choice, who knows. I am dubious of the choice rationale though.

Teacher Terry
6-24-16, 1:49pm
For most people it is not a choice but biology. Some many choose but most do not.

ApatheticNoMore
6-24-16, 2:25pm
I don't know, I've always thought I could probably be equally happy with a woman, but I haven't tried it. So I don't experience it as hard wired at all. Both genders have their appeal, but of course male with female is more socially approved.

Ultralight
6-24-16, 2:26pm
I don't know, I've always thought I could probably be equally happy with a woman, but I haven't tried it.

Lemme tell ya, it ain't as easy as it looks!

ApatheticNoMore
6-24-16, 2:28pm
Lemme tell ya, it ain't as easy as it looks!

:) oh I suspect it's not easy to tolerate us, but as a woman I am used to woman type craziness

Ultralight
6-24-16, 2:32pm
:) oh I suspect it's not easy to tolerate us, but as a woman I am used to woman type craziness

If you call a woman "crazy" -- no matter how crazy she really is or is acting -- look out!

jp1
6-25-16, 5:34pm
No offense to anyone. I am so {{tired}} of hearing who is. Instead of making equal and ok as choice should be, to me it makes one sound different because of just making the statement.

Give it another 10-20 years and it probably won't be mentioned anymore. The cultural conservatives have lost the culture war (although they haven't surrendered yet) so it will soon be just an ordinary thing when a gay person does this or a lesbian does that, for whatever this and that are. But for the moment an out lesbian Miss Missouri is news as surely as it was news earlier this year when the Senate confirmed an out gay man as Secretary of the Army. To think that just five years ago he could have been kicked out of the army for being gay, but now he's got the top civilian job there is certainly newsworthy, at least in my opinion.

ToomuchStuff
6-26-16, 3:00am
Give it another 10-20 years and it probably won't be mentioned anymore.

I am laughing at this. Let us see, because in the nineteenth century, blacks were freed. In the 20th we had a civil rights movement and it was still a big deal to have "the first black president".
It takes two parties to have a big deal, and it can be either way.

ctg492
6-26-16, 5:21am
Ok yes in retro I phrased it wrong, choice was not the correct wording. I knew that and am sorry, but I honestly do not care what lifestyle(Oh is that the correct PC wording to use) people live and am just tired of the topic.The topic was far better worded with the two posters above and I believe that will come to pass.

jp1
6-26-16, 9:23am
I am laughing at this. Let us see, because in the nineteenth century, blacks were freed. In the 20th we had a civil rights movement and it was still a big deal to have "the first black president".
It takes two parties to have a big deal, and it can be either way.

True enough. I imagine that we will, for the foreseeable future, be noting it every time that a non straight white Christian male gets elected president since it took well over 200 years for that to happen even once. Someone getting elected president happens so infrequently that every deviation from the norm will be out of the ordinary. I expect it will be after my lifetime before it's not considered novel to have a president that isn't a straight white Christian dude.

ToomuchStuff
6-26-16, 10:18am
True enough. I imagine that we will, for the foreseeable future, be noting it every time that a non straight white Christian male gets elected president since it took well over 200 years for that to happen even once. Someone getting elected president happens so infrequently that every deviation from the norm will be out of the ordinary. I expect it will be after my lifetime before it's not considered novel to have a president that isn't a straight white Christian dude.

Even "Christian" has had issues. Look at the uproar and fear surrounding Kennedy being Catholic. As long as people fear something different, it will be a deal. As long as people classify themselves as a group, it will be different. (no matter if they are for or against whatever is "that group")

CathyA
6-26-16, 4:19pm
I can't wait for these ridiculous Miss America constests to be gone forever........
I can't believe we still have them!

ctg492
6-27-16, 3:10pm
I think there are probably still a few little girls who want to be Miss America, I can hear the song now.

JaneV2.0
6-27-16, 3:43pm
I think there are probably still a few little girls who want to be Miss America, I can hear the song now.

There are probably a few little girls who want to be Kardashians; that doesn't mean we ought to encourage them. >:(

ctg492
6-27-16, 6:57pm
Ok

SteveinMN
6-30-16, 9:47am
I can't wait for these ridiculous Miss America constests to be gone forever........
I can't believe we still have them!
In the news this morning, there was a report that the Miss Teen USA pageant is ditching the swimsuit part of the competition. Now they will wear "athletic gear". I will plead ignorance to not watching beyond the headline; "athletic gear" could mean baggy sweatsuits or yoga pants...

ctg492
6-30-16, 4:40pm
Formaldehyde filled fabric will be the Athletic clothing. But that does sound better than the swimsuits.