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Chicken lady
6-28-16, 8:35pm
I just filled out my county fair entry forms.
i love the county fair. It is my personal annual vacation. And I love entering stuff in the farm and home show. No farm products going this year except my eggs and soap, but I'm taking a lot of my pottery/Ceramics and a few family antiques.
i'm also taking 17 dolls from my collection for the competitive doll show. Last year I placed really well. If they average between 2nd and 3rd place they'll pay for my fair admission for the whole week. Does this qualify me as a collector instead of a doll hoarder Ultralite?
iris lilies
6-28-16, 9:10pm
I won around $130 in various prizes monies in the recent lily show. Yay, prize money!
edited to add: I won the two top awards in the Photography section which is pretty silly since I dont have interest in photography, I just put a few photos in because we needed entries.
I won Best in Show in photography with a photo of lilies in my old garden, cand also People's choice popularily poll with a photo of my bulldog and lilies. When there is a bulldog in the image, it always wins. Really!
I also won Best in Show in the main event, the Horticulture show, and some other awards.
i bombed out in design this year. :(
I dont have a question about it to UL! I am a lily hoarder. A hoarder of lilies. They pile up n garden spaces all over the city where we garden. DH is a vegetable hoarder. The both of us, together, are dangerous bcause we buy real estate mainly to get ground to have a garden.the houses act as tool sheds. We are sick. :)
Chicken lady
6-28-16, 9:51pm
Oh no, Ultralite angler says if you get joy out of showing off your collection and sharing it with other people, you get to be a collector and not a hoarder. Our fair prize money is very small. Some categories are fifty cents, a dollar, a dollar fifty. Lol! I love it because we get lots of amataur/kid entries because they have a chance and it's fun to see what different people make.
Not the flowers though - they sponsor their own prizes, and I wouldn't even begin to go there!
iris lilies
6-28-16, 9:56pm
Oh no, Ultralite angler says if you get joy out of showing off your collection and sharing it with other people, you get to be a collector and not a hoarder. Our fair prize money is very small. Some categories are fifty cents, a dollar, a dollar fifty. Lol! I love it because we get lots of amataur/kid entries because they have a chance and it's fun to see what different people make.
Not the flowers though - they sponsor their own prizes, and I wouldn't even begin to go there!
oh! I did not know that definition from the Rev.UL.
Well, I am happy to know that I am a collector/hobbyist.
Ultralight
6-29-16, 6:59am
CL:
I'd say you are in a nebulous region here. If you enjoyed inviting people into your home to see your whole collection/hoard of dolls then I would say it is a collection.
Chicken lady
6-29-16, 7:17am
Ah, but you are disregarding the part where there are very few people I enjoy inviting into my home for any reason - extreme introvert, remember?
Ultralight
6-29-16, 7:27am
Ah, but you are disregarding the part where there are very few people I enjoy inviting into my home for any reason - extreme introvert, remember?
I think that might be part of the constellation of hoarder personality traits. But that is just my speculation, as I am not a mental health pro.
I think that might be part of the constellation of hoarder personality traits.
No, that is part of the constellation of HUMAN traits. Since hoarders are also human, there is bound to be some overlap. ;) Recent studies show that about 1/2 the population identifies as introverted.
Chicken lady
6-29-16, 8:41am
My friend Bobbi hoards and she's an extreme extrovert. Her reason for why she can't deal with the stuff is that she is never home, but when she is home, she is quite happy to pile stuff on all the beds or out on the porch or into her van so she can have people over. She isn't embarrassed at all.
i think you are confusing the common effect of social isolation caused by hoarding - because you are too embarrassed to have anyone over - with the innate desire for social isolation - because having people over makes you stressed out and exhausted
Ultralight
6-29-16, 8:43am
My friend Bobbi hoards and she's an extreme extrovert. Her reason for why she can't deal with the stuff is that she is never home, but when she is home, she is quite happy to pile stuff on all the beds or out on the porch or into her van so she can have people over. She isn't embarrassed at all.
Interesting.
Ultralight
6-29-16, 8:50am
I'd say Bobbi has low insight then.
Ultralight
6-29-16, 8:57am
Is Bobbi in treatment?
Chicken lady
6-29-16, 8:58am
Insight into what? Primarily, Bobbi is one of the most loving, non-judgmental people I have ever met. She accepts everyone exactly where they are and feels no need to impress anyone or meet any standards but her own. She used to work as an aide in a dementia/psych facility and I wouldn't be surprised if her boss cried when she left.
Chicken lady
6-29-16, 8:59am
Nope. Her fire exits are clear and she is happy.
Ultralight
6-29-16, 9:04am
She accepts everyone exactly where they are and feels no need to impress anyone or meet any standards but her own.
Why is this considered a compliment?
Ultralight
6-29-16, 9:04am
Nope. Her fire exits are clear and she is happy.
Now this is something I have been thinking about for a while.
Chicken lady
6-29-16, 9:14am
It's a compliment because I said it and I think it's a great thing. Partly because her standards lead to behavior in relation to other people that is kind and caring and really, I think that's the foundation of everything.
having derailed the thread completely (but hey, I'm the op) why are you thinking about fire exits and happiness, and what is the difference between peace pilgrim and an itinerant homeless person?
Ultralight
6-29-16, 9:22am
It's a compliment because I said it and I think it's a great thing. Partly because her standards lead to behavior in relation to other people that is kind and caring and really, I think that's the foundation of everything.
having derailed the thread completely (but hey, I'm the op) why are you thinking about fire exits and happiness, and what is the difference between peace pilgrim and an itinerant homeless person?
I always wonder when people say: "So and so accepts people for who they are, no matter what; and so and so never judges."
So she always gives money to homeless people and never suspects they are buying beer? She has friends who are neo-nazi skinheads?
Being kind and caring is indeed a great thing. I agree on that.
I was thinking that perhaps for most hoarders, maybe even you, they'd be happier just left to hoard. Build them a big, huge pole barn and say: "Have at it! Gather all the stuff you want! Just keep the fire exits clear."
Ultralight
6-29-16, 9:23am
What is the different between Peace Pilgram and a homeless person? I am not sure I am the best person to answer.
I am not especially familiar with either population.
Chicken lady
6-29-16, 9:35am
I think that the hoarders who are able to keep their fire exits clear and their level of sanitation up to a healthy minimum and whose friends and family don't object, probably are left alone and happy.
and I don't know about me. I would probably be happier not having to make hard decisions and give things up, but I do like being able to find stuff now. So maybe I would just re-hoard in a more organized fashion.
Chicken lady
6-29-16, 10:13am
Oh, also, yeah, Bobbi would probably be friends with the neo-nazi skin head. She would make it clear how she felt, discuss civilly any topic the person brought up, and focus on common ground and the good in them. She does not give money to homeless people. She does give them food and blankets and talk to them and direct them to resources if they are interested and (not making this up) more than once handed over her coat, or a coat from one of her kids (who then got wrapped in her coat). One of the things that keeps her hoard churning and not growing too much is that she is constantly giving stuff away.
Bobbi is demonstrating unconditional positive regard. This is the core and foundational belief for my life also. It's from Carl Rogers.
Chicken lady
6-29-16, 11:11am
In Bobbi's case, it comes from Jesus.
(observing, not prostletizing, I'm an agnostic) and sorry about that word, spellcheck won't help me.
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bout it to UL! I am a lily hoarder. A hoarder of lilies. They pile up n garden spaces all over the city where we garden. DH is a vegetable hoarder. The both of us, together, are dangerous bcause we buy real estate mainly to get ground to have a garden.the houses act as tool sheds. We are sick. :)
I'm an unrepentant hoarder also--I hoard art supplies, clothes, books...I weed out my "collections" regularly. I think whether or not you value "excess" is strictly a personal variation, and not something to obsess over. I doubt the high rollers who own five or six houses, for example, give a damn about what some amateur psychobabbler thinks of their trove. Nor should they. To each their own.
Ultralight
6-29-16, 11:40am
She would make it clear how she felt...
Where I come from, this is called "judging."
Ultralight
6-29-16, 11:41am
To each their own.
On a finite planet this is not an applicable maxim.
On a finite planet this is not an applicable maxim.
Time will tell, I guess. I'm pretty sure the planet will survive us.
Ultralight
6-29-16, 12:04pm
Time will tell, I guess.
This strategy is not optimal. ;)
This strategy is not optimal. ;)
It probably isn't optimal, but that's the way the world works. Situations either work out (usually) or they don't. On the positive side, population growth has slowed--reversed in some areas--and alternative energy is finally emerging--against stiff opposition from Big Oil--as truly viable. I'm optimistic.
Ultralight
6-29-16, 12:43pm
I'm optimistic.
Good on you.
ApatheticNoMore
6-29-16, 12:51pm
It probably isn't optimal, but that's the way the world works.
:)
At a certain point one can encounter "good fatigue" anyway and simply spatz out, one gets tired of being good all the time for the sake of all that that is larger than oneself (darn it, I'm going to go buy some cheap @#$# made in China by INFANT SLAVES working in a toxic waste dump!!!). And of course one doesn't entirely. About like "I'm going to get drunk" ends up with drinking a whole can of 6% alcohol beer.
:)
At a certain point one can encounter "good fatigue" anyway and simply spatz out, one gets tired of being good all the time for the sake of all that that is larger than oneself (darn it, I'm going to go buy some cheap @#$# made in China by INFANT SLAVES working in a toxic waste dump!!!). And of course one doesn't entirely. About like "I'm going to get drunk" ends up with drinking a whole can of 6% alcohol beer.
Agreed. I'm not going to make a fetish of saving the planet--that way lies madness--I just muddle along in the middle lane, doing my part and more most days.
Ultralight
6-29-16, 1:56pm
Agreed. I'm not going to make a fetish of saving the planet--that way lies madness--I just muddle along in the middle lane, doing my part and more most days.
Kind of a "subtle-smug" response.
Chicken lady
6-29-16, 2:00pm
Where I come for it's called "expressing an opinion" or "being clear about one's beliefs"
telling people their approach to life is not applicable or qualifies as a mental illness would be "judging"
On a finite planet this is not an applicable maxim.
It absolutely is an applicable maxim no matter where you are unless you see yourself as some Grand Puppeteer (see what I did there? I avoided that word that starts with G and ends with D and which makes you flinch :) Plus, this thread is not on the Environment forum. It's in Hobbies, where "to each their own" certainly applies, unless you want to dictate who knits and who plays golf.
You told TooMuchStuff in another thread that you are relieving our boredom by your presence. UA, you have a lot to offer and I've enjoyed your contributions, but you are definitely not rescuing me from boredom. Maybe you are saving yourself from boredom by baiting us with simplistic responses to complex questions to see how we'll respond.
Chicken lady
6-29-16, 2:14pm
Wait, I think I read that thread. I thought he was referring to his own boredom.
which actually makes "hobbies" the perfect place for this thread...
Wait, I think I read that thread. I thought he was referring to his own boredom.
which actually makes "hobbies" the perfect place for this thread...
Quote from UA:
Yes, I post on here a lot. And you are the richer for it. Otherwise you'd be bored.
Ultralight
6-29-16, 2:28pm
It absolutely is an applicable maxim no matter where you are unless you see yourself as some Grand Puppeteer (see what I did there? I avoided that word that starts with G and ends with D and which makes you flinch :) Plus, this thread is not on the Environment forum. It's in Hobbies, where "to each their own" certainly applies, unless you want to dictate who knits and who plays golf.
What if one's hobby is building new, custom-made dune buggies and flying to remote parts of the world every weekend to drive them around? Not what I'd call small planet hobbies. But hey, what does Ol' UA know?
It is like everyone is so afraid of judging someone else that they suspend their own logic.
...simplistic responses to complex questions...
You have this accidentally reversed.
What if one's hobby is building new, custom-made dune buggies and flying to remote parts of the world every weekend to drive them around?
That's extreme thinking again. We're not talking about that. Start an organization to outlaw dune-buggy safaris, then, if you think you can do something about it.
And to me, labeling everything as black and white, good or bad, is simplistic. Life is always shades of grey. My father was an artist (an imperfect, alcoholic, kind-hearted one) and he taught me that there is no black and white in nature. And sometimes I feel that your approach to a lot of issues is to look at them in terms of black and white. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but that's what it feels like in your posts.
Chicken lady
6-29-16, 2:37pm
Oh, there was another thread where someone asked him about why he posted or raised questions or something, and he responded simply "boredom"
not ignoring you UA, just not wanting t get into the dune buggy issue.
also, I'm not sure if you are for or against this "judging" thing.
Ultralight
6-29-16, 2:54pm
That's extreme thinking again. We're not talking about that. Start an organization to outlaw dune-buggy safaris, then, if you think you can do something about it.
And to me, labeling everything as black and white, good or bad, is simplistic. Life is always shades of grey. My father was an artist (an imperfect, alcoholic, kind-hearted one) and he taught me that there is no black and white in nature. And sometimes I feel that your approach to a lot of issues is to look at them in terms of black and white. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but that's what it feels like in your posts.
Your "everything is shades of grey" seems extreme to me. Is there not anything that is black and white? I'd say there is.
Is my thinking extreme or thorough? Or does it just cause you cognitive dissonance?
Your "everything is shades of grey" seems extreme to me. Is there not anything that is black and white? I'd say there is.
"either/or" is a false dichotomy in most cases, and it negates any thoughtful consideration of the truth, which usually lies somewhere in-between. As I said, my father said there's no black and white in nature, and I believe him. The Middle Way sounds good to me, as well as an acceptance of what you can't change and the courage to change what you can.
Plus, by definition, black and white are extremes; shades of grey are in-between.
Kind of a "subtle-smug" response.
That's how you read it. I'm all for any and all efforts to help heal the planet and for people who make those efforts--often at their own peril. I'm saying that I do what I can do at this point. Maybe not as much as you would like, but that's OK.
Oh, there was another thread where someone asked him about why he posted or raised questions or something, and he responded simply "boredom"
That was me.
There's a big difference between being genuinely curious about different opinions and experiences, and poking at the vulnerabilities that people have opened themselves up to share. That was my objection. You can ask questions without putting a mean and harsh spin on them. Words do matter. Even on the internet.
This is the last I'm speaking on this topic (at least on this thread which has been hijacked) but I just read this in commemoration of Gilda Radner on what would have been her 70th birthday. She was such a great comedienne and spark of joy, and as most of us probably know, she died at 42 of ovarian cancer. Here's her take on life:
“I wanted a perfect ending. Now I've learned, the hard way, that some poems don't rhyme, and some stories don't have a clear beginning, middle, and end. Life is about not knowing, having to change, taking the moment and making the best of it, without knowing what's going to happen next. Delicious Ambiguity.” ― Gilda Radner
To me, that speaks of the space between black and white.
Teacher Terry
6-29-16, 5:09pm
Gilda Radner's book about her illness and life was really good and also sad. It made me laugh and cry. I love to watch the old SNL skits with her and Steve Martin.
Gilda Radner's book about her illness and life was really good and also sad. It made me laugh and cry. I love to watch the old SNL skits with her and Steve Martin.
I agree about her book. I think of her every time I use that old cliche "It's always something."
messengerhot
8-10-16, 7:36pm
My only hobby that pays off is blogging. It's great getting paid for what you enjoy though.
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