St. Louis: best city to live in if you are a liberal

[iris lilies]

According to the article cited below, St. Louis is the No. 1 city for livability if you are liberal. We beat traditional favorite Berkeley Calif. Yay, us!

Not. ugh.

My beautiful, wonderful city gone to the dogs. Well, I wont let the liberals push me out, just like I wont let the criminal element psh me put.

DH and I are sort of token conservatives in our Victorian village and we are tolerated for being what people perceive us to be, crunchy conservatives. im not sure how crunchy we are other than the gardening thing, but let peole think what they want.


http://www.livability.com/top-10/political-cities/best-cities-for-liberals/2016/mo/st.-louis

[catherine]

Haha....

So, maybe politically you're a misfit, but tell the truth--do you shop at Victoria's Secret?


Residents here are likely to …

Eat at California Pizza Kitchen.
Shop at Victoria’s Secret.
Drive a GMC.
Read Maxim.
Watch HBO.

[iris lilies]

Haha....

So, maybe politically you're a misfit, but tell the truth--do you shop at Victoria's Secret?
I do nne of thse things. We dont even HAVE a California Pizza Kitchen in the city. This article seems quite stupid.

[rosarugosa]

Great business opportunity - open a CA Pizza Kitchen in IL's neighborhood!

[Ultralight]

Well, I wont let the liberals push me out, just like I wont let the criminal element psh me put.

Do you see the liberals and the criminal element as related?

[LDAHL]

What are the criteria for liberal livability?

[bae]

What are the criteria for liberal livability?

Mason jars, artisan coffee, beard oil.

[Alan]

What are the criteria for liberal livability?
According to the same site as the OP's article: http://www.livability.com/top-10/political-cities/best-cities-for-liberals/2016
"To find these liberal meccas, we crunched election data, as well as data on political leanings and activities from Esri. Then we worked with Simmons Research to identify a TV network, an automobile brand, a restaurant, a retailer and a magazine that liberals are likely to turn to. That was our “basket of goods.”
Once we established our basket, we found areas that buy these goods in the extreme. We figure that you want to have more in common with your liberal neighbors than your Clinton yard signs. You want to be able to grab some dinner and talk about that cool sloth article you just read in National Geographic."

[LDAHL]

According to the same site as the OP's article: http://www.livability.com/top-10/political-cities/best-cities-for-liberals/2016
"To find these liberal meccas, we crunched election data, as well as data on political leanings and activities from Esri. Then we worked with Simmons Research to identify a TV network, an automobile brand, a restaurant, a retailer and a magazine that liberals are likely to turn to. That was our “basket of goods.”
Once we established our basket, we found areas that buy these goods in the extreme. We figure that you want to have more in common with your liberal neighbors than your Clinton yard signs. You want to be able to grab some dinner and talk about that cool sloth article you just read in National Geographic."

So a place is more livable if you're surrounded by people who think just like you do, from politics to your favorite tipple?

St. Louis could improve it's score by exiling IL?

[jp1]

I do nne of thse things. We dont even HAVE a California Pizza Kitchen in the city. This article seems quite stupid.

Come on. Admit it. You love reading maxim... :~)

[LDAHL]

Mason jars, artisan coffee, beard oil.

Now that you mention it, the leftward leaners I know seem to make something of a fetish out of elaborate coffee with grandiose-cute names that cost more than a gallon of gas. I'm more a Dunkin Donuts type of guy myself.

[Teacher Terry]

I am a liberal and NV is full of conservatives. Luckily my friends are not.

[Ultralight]

Best city for right-wing extremists/Republicans? Any guesses?

[Ultralight]

Now that you mention it, the leftward leaners I know seem to make something of a fetish out of elaborate coffee with grandiose-cute names that cost more than a gallon of gas.

This is true! LOL

I don't drink coffee at all. So when I see my fellow lefties obsessing over their coffees I get really annoyed. haha

[bae]

This is true! LOL

I don't drink coffee at all. So when I see my fellow lefties obsessing over their coffees I get really annoyed. haha

I mostly drink special hand-crafted small-batch cold-brew.

Recipe as follows:

Make a press-pot of coffee in the morning. Sample one cup, warm, to make sure that it is OK. Drink the remaining contents of the pot as you remember to throughout the day.

That's what they mean by "cold brew", right?

[catherine]

This is true! LOL

I don't drink coffee at all. So when I see my fellow lefties obsessing over their coffees I get really annoyed. haha

I don't know.. I think it cuts both ways. My republican corporate clients no sooner put their computer bags down when we get to research before someone yells, "I'm doing a Starbucks run!" and everyone gets in their caramel-macchiato-with-a-shot-of-espresso orders. Lefty me sticks with the old coffee pot that the research facility provides. Dark roast with milk, no sugar. That's all I ask for.

[iris lilies]

What are the criteria for liberal livability?
A lack of "Trump for President" signs would be one livability factor. Such signs might cause hurtful, triggering emotions.

[Alan]

I am a liberal and NV is full of conservatives. Luckily my friends are not.


So a place is more livable if you're surrounded by people who think just like you do, from politics to your favorite tipple?

St. Louis could improve it's score by exiling IL?Apparently so.

[iris lilies]

Come on. Admit it. You love reading maxim... :~)
Haha, but I,dont even inow what Maxim IS and I should.

[freshstart]

why would liberals be more likely to drive a GMC? I picture a Prius or Subaru as a liberal stereotype. You're not missing much with Maxim and that that's on there surprises me, too. I don't know any liberal men who fess up to reading Maxim, they read the New Yorker and NYT.

[creaker]

I do nne of thse things. We dont even HAVE a California Pizza Kitchen in the city. This article seems quite stupid.

Neither does Cambridge. If I queried a bunch of liberals around here, I couldn't imagine any of them choosing to eat at California Pizza Kitchen.

Yes it is quite stupid.

[LDAHL]

I am a liberal and NV is full of conservatives. Luckily my friends are not.

That's sad.

[iris lilies]

why would liberals be more likely to drive a GMC? I picture a Prius or Subaru as a liberal stereotype. You're not missing much with Maxim and that that's on there surprises me, too. I don't know any liberal men who fess up to reading Maxim, they read the New Yorker and NYT.
GMC products are popular with African Americans. The African American vote is in
Hillary's bag.

i have been known to read Esquire and GQ but I guess those are old titles for men.

[jp1]

Well, since San Francisco is probably, all things considered, more liberal than St Louis, maybe the authors know what they're talking about since there is, in fact, a CPK near my office. Admittedly I was not aware of this, and even though I'm now aware I won't likely ever go there. If I'm going to eat lunch out the amazing, but overpriced, sushi place across from my office is a much more likely candidate to receive my company's hard earned expense account dollars. I guess that doesn't count, though, since it can't be quantified into money spent on a national brand that can be monetized into advertising dollars by the article.

[jp1]

GMC products are popular with African Americans. The African American vote is in
Hillary's bag.

i have been known to read Esquire and GQ but I guess those are old titles for men.

True that, about the African Americans. For some reason the Donald's appeals to them with "your lives suck" and "we need to stop and frisk more of you for everyone's benefit" don't seem to be winning their hearts and minds.

Maybe older men haven't given Maxim a chance. After all, surely they're interested in "'Lesbians for Men' Is the NSFW Photo Book You Have to See to Believe"... Trigger warning, the photos included with the article are exactly what the title suggests. I won't link to it since it's easy enough to find if anyone is really interested.

[Zoe Girl]

We have a more liberal bent in Denver now, and I lived in Boulder for many years. I am very liberal but there was an overwhelming quality in Boulder that was irritating. There is not the greatest sense of reality at some point.

after the years in Boulder I would guess
* fancy tea
* Subaru
* Whole Foods
* and I have no clue about clothing,

[iris lilies]

Do you see the liberals and the criminal element as related?
Not causally related. But there is correlation.

[LDAHL]

All this talk of self-sorting reminds me of the old newspaper joke:

The Wall Street Journal is read by the people who run the country.

The Washington Post is read by the people who think they run the country.

The New York Times is read by the people who think they ought to run the country.

The Boston Globe is read by the people whose great-grandparents ran the country.

The Miami Herald is read by people who run other countries.

The San Francisco Chronicle is read by people who aren’t clear on which country they live in.

The Chicago Tribune is read by people who are afraid nobody’s running the country.

The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel is read by people who think Aaron Rodgers runs the country.

Of course, all those people are dinosaurs who haven't realized newspapers are dead.

[gimmethesimplelife]

I do nne of thse things. We dont. even HAVE a California Pizza Kitchen in the city. This article seems quite stupid.Interesting. The upscale pizza place I waited tables at for a couple of years? California Pizza Kitchen. It's true that while I worked there it was extremely liberal but the chain has since been sold and lots of changes to the liberal and quirky atmosphere have taken place. IL, you will love this though.....I actually found the atmosphere too liberal for my comfort zone.....not a typo. Rob

[Ultralight]

All this talk of self-sorting reminds me of the old newspaper joke:

The Wall Street Journal is read by the people who run the country.

The Washington Post is read by the people who think they run the country.

The New York Times is read by the people who think they ought to run the country.

The Boston Globe is read by the people whose great-grandparents ran the country.

The Miami Herald is read by people who run other countries.

The San Francisco Chronicle is read by people who aren’t clear on which country they live in.

The Chicago Tribune is read by people who are afraid nobody’s running the country.

The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel is read by people who think Aaron Rodgers runs the country.

Of course, all those people are dinosaurs who haven't realized newspapers are dead.

This is great! lol

[gimmethesimplelife]

A lack of "Trump for President" signs would be one livability factor. Such signs might cause hurtful, triggering emotions.I can tell you right down the street from the house (not the apartment where I live with my SO) there is a house set back far from the street. There is a moat like fence around the house and the police have been called there in the past.....drugs/meth being cooked so the story goes. Yesterday I was at the house I still own 1/2 of and walked by this house - big Trump/Pence sign on the creepy fence now, along with a vote for Sheriff Joe Arpaio sign. I will now be walking down the other side of the street from now on.....too creepy, especially with the history of police calls to the property, some with police helicopter overhead. Something is out of place here and no one at the Mexican grocery store down the street knows the scoop but everyone knows of the creepy political signs that alienate these people from the neighborhood. Rob

[Ultralight]

That's sad.

As I am getting to know people in my social work classes I am surprised to find there are some fairly conservative folks.

For some reason the other day in my Advocating for Social Justice class the professor asked what the cause of poverty is. Then when she did not get any answers she nudged us by saying: "Come on. What is it? In 15 seconds or less?"

Two people simply shouted: "Capitalism."

Two people I think are right wing seemed annoyed by this. The other 36 students sat there silently. haha

[catherine]

I actually found the atmosphere too liberal for my comfort zone.....not a typo. Rob

haha..! How so?

I never thought of CPK as a bastion for liberalism.

[jp1]

Interesting. The upscale pizza place I waited tables at for a couple of years? California Pizza Kitchen. It's true that while I worked there it was extremely liberal but the chain has since been sold and lots of changes to the liberal and quirky atmosphere have taken place. IL, you will love this though.....I actually found the atmosphere too liberal for my comfort zone.....not a typo. Rob

I've never really thought about restaurant chains giving off political vibes. Perhaps if I read the flair on the walls at a TGI Fridays I'd feel differently... But seriously, I've probably only been in a CPK once or twice in my life and hadn't noticed any political aspect to it. Can you elaborate?

[gimmethesimplelife]

I've never really thought about restaurant chains giving off political vibes. Perhaps if I read the flair on the walls at a TGI Fridays I'd feel differently... But seriously, I've probably only been in a CPK once or twice in my life and hadn't noticed any political aspect to it. Can you elaborate?Jp1, if you were a male server there it was almost a requirement to be gay. Seriously, I've never worked at another place where reverse discrimination was in place to this level. It was a bit off putting to me as I don't live a stereotypical gay life, I'm just me, take me or leave me. Politically you were expected to be liberal if you wanted the better sections and you were expected to make fun of conservatives. I'm not of the opinion that that should be taking place in the workplace. Rob

[LDAHL]

As I am getting to know people in my social work classes I am surprised to find there are some fairly conservative folks.

For some reason the other day in my Advocating for Social Justice class the professor asked what the cause of poverty is. Then when she did not get any answers she nudged us by saying: "Come on. What is it? In 15 seconds or less?"

Two people simply shouted: "Capitalism."

Two people I think are right wing seemed annoyed by this. The other 36 students sat there silently. haha

Diversity is all well and good, until someone has the temerity to hold a heterodox opinion. Especially if your grade depends on mouthing the party line.

[LDAHL]

haha..! How so?

I never thought of CPK as a bastion for liberalism.

I also have obviously been underestimating the power of partisan pizza politics. Starbucks, maybe. Whole Foods almost certainly, but not pizza. It makes a kind of sense, though. Liberals might demand a bigger slice of the pie, while conservatives would suggest ordering a bigger pie.

If someone is incapable of forming friendships with conservatives, I could see how choosing between lunch at CPK or lunch at Chick-fil-a might be a profound moral decision.

[gimmethesimplelife]

I also have obviously been underestimating the power of partisan pizza politics. Starbucks, maybe. Whole Foods almost certainly, but not pizza. It makes a kind of sense, though. Liberals might demand a bigger slice of the pie, while conservatives would suggest ordering a bigger pie.

If someone is incapable of forming friendships with conservatives, I could see how choosing between lunch at CPK or lunch at Chick-fil-a might be a profound moral decision.I can't speak for others, but I'd go to CPK. I won't eat at Chick-fil-a due to it's owners views on LGBT people. Morally and ethically I could not live with myself spending a penny there.....they are on my perma boycott list. Rob

[catherine]

I also have obviously been underestimating the power of partisan pizza politics. Starbucks, maybe. Whole Foods almost certainly, but not pizza. It makes a kind of sense, though. Liberals might demand a bigger slice of the pie, while conservatives would suggest ordering a bigger pie.


:) Good one!

Actually, I don't see how pizza politics would apply to conservatives at all, given that typically everyone shares equal-sized slices from the same pie regardless of how hungry they are or how much they weigh. Also, when the bill comes, instead of just dividing the cost of the pie equally, I'm pretty sure the conservative would make each person pay according to how many slices they ate.

Because I would NEVER count pizza slices, I'm pretty sure I'm a liberal.

[LDAHL]

I can't speak for others, but I'd go to CPK. I won't eat at Chick-fil-a due to it's owners views on LGBT people. Morally and ethically I could not live with myself spending a penny there.....they are on my perma boycott list. Rob

I choose my source of deep-fried chicken chunks based on how good it tastes (clearly Popeye's is the choice of discriminating palates) without regard to the opinions held by major shareholders.

I choose my preferred political candidates based on my political philosophy without regard to their ability to produce tasty fast food.

I wouldn't give a cluck if I found out Popeye's is owned by Maoists or Monarchists.

I can't see letting politics seep into every trivial aspect of life.

[LDAHL]

:) Good one!

Actually, I don't see how pizza politics would apply to conservatives at all, given that typically everyone shares equal-sized slices from the same pie regardless of how hungry they are or how much they weigh. Also, when the bill comes, instead of just dividing the cost of the pie equally, I'm pretty sure the conservative would make each person pay according to how many slices they ate.

Because I would NEVER count pizza slices, I'm pretty sure I'm a liberal.

Easy, you compete for more slices and complain how the slicing policy is set by out-of-touch bureaucrats.

I always count slices. I'm pretty sure I'm an accountant.

[jp1]

I thought accountants counted beans, not pizza slices.

[LDAHL]

I thought accountants counted beans, not pizza slices.

Not a sparrow falls to earth without the appropriate journal entry.

[Teacher Terry]

I won't shop at hObby Lobby because of their religious and political views. If everyone would do that type of thing businesses would quit discriminating.

[catherine]

I won't shop at hObby Lobby because of their religious and political views. If everyone would do that type of thing businesses would quit discriminating.

Interesting question..who do people boycott?

I have decided recently to not take jobs offered to me by Nestle because of their aggressive stance on privatization of water.

[Alan]

I won't shop at hObby Lobby because of their religious and political views. If everyone would do that type of thing businesses would quit discriminating.Could your stance be considered discriminating?

[Teacher Terry]

Everyone chooses with their $ who to support, etc. It is the smart thing to do.

[Alan]

Everyone chooses with their $ who to support, etc. It is the smart thing to do.
So, discriminating is a good thing?

[LDAHL]

In the commercial sphere, I try to discriminate in favor of the best deal for the highest quality available. Punishing businesses for the political views of the owners seems both inefficient and vaguely spiteful.

[jp1]

Could your stance be considered discriminating?

Would you consider the Montgomery bus boycott discrimination?

[Alan]

Would you consider the Montgomery bus boycott discrimination?
Sure, although perhaps I don't see discrimination in as narrow terms as many seem to do. We all discriminate every day based upon our beliefs and preferences, and we consider it a noble enterprise as long as we're doing it in support of our own moral compass. But when those other guys do it, well that's another story.

[catherine]

In the commercial sphere, I try to discriminate in favor of the best deal for the highest quality available. Punishing businesses for the political views of the owners seems both inefficient and vaguely spiteful.

Not inefficient nor spiteful in the least.

Supporting a person or an entity aligned with your value system is a sincere manifestation of your right to support the kind of businesses that you want to promote, and protest those whose practices you object to. As Terry said, you are voting with your dollar by doing so. Why would I buy meat from a company who treats animals terribly when I am concerned about how animals are treated? Why would I put my money into the pockets of someone who exploits their employees? It would be hypocritical at best and collusion with violence at worst. There are many places to shop. It's not discrimination to choose to patronize one store over another based on the sum total of what the value proposition of that store represents.

So why "discriminate" against going to a mosque just because you're Catholic?

[LDAHL]

Not inefficient nor spiteful in the least.

Supporting a person or an entity aligned with your value system is a sincere manifestation of your right to support the kind of businesses that you want to promote, and protest those whose practices you object to. As Terry said, you are voting with your dollar by doing so. Why would I buy meat from a company who treats animals terribly when I am concerned about how animals are treated? Why would I put my money into the pockets of someone who exploits their employees? It would be hypocritical at best and collusion with violence at worst. There are many places to shop. It's not discrimination to choose to patronize one store over another based on the sum total of what the value proposition of that store represents.

So why "discriminate" against going to a mosque just because you're Catholic?

I'm not talking about the policies or actions of a business you may not like. A vegan not buying something from Hormel, etc.

I'm talking about boycotting a business simply because you want to punish an owner for his opinions. Like that software CEO who got hounded from his job for holding the same view on traditional marriage as the President's (before he "evolved"). Or a chicken purveyor who takes the traditional Judeo-Christian view on what constitutes a sin. It wasn't about the software or drumsticks. It was about trying to hurt someone with a different view. I think there's a difference.

Catholics can enter a mosque without being excommunicated. They can even buy a set of tires from a Muslim despite theological differences unrelated to the transaction.

[LDAHL]

I won't shop at hObby Lobby because of their religious and political views. If everyone would do that type of thing businesses would quit discriminating.

Or at least start discriminating in ways you found congenial?

[Tybee]

I always wonder, on those boycotts of stores like Hobby Lobby, if it doesn't equal out-- some people say I won't shop there and some people say yeah, that's what I think too so I'm shopping there.

[LDAHL]

I always wonder, on those boycotts of stores like Hobby Lobby, if it doesn't equal out-- some people say I won't shop there and some people say yeah, that's what I think too so I'm shopping there.

I think something like that happened with that little Indiana pizzeria whose owner said he wouldn't want to cater gay weddings. After the predictable internet hate storm, death threats and boycott caused him to close his doors for several days, he got a surge of customers and a crowdfunding campaign that I believe netted him a tidy sum.

[jp1]

And then there was the Susan Komaen foundation that saw a 37% decrease in walk for the cure participation and 22% drop in fundraising during the year after their kurfuffle about planned parenthood funding.

[catherine]

I'm talking about boycotting a business simply because you want to punish an owner for his opinions. Like that software CEO who got hounded from his job for holding the same view on traditional marriage as the President's (before he "evolved").

I see your point. But still, a lot of business is relationship marketing; people buy "who" they like as much as "what" they like.

[Teacher Terry]

Hobby Lobby will not provide health insurance that covers contraception for it's employees because their religion does not believe in it. I don't like the way they are treating their employees so I take my $ elsewhere.

[iris lilies]

...So why "discriminate" against going to a mosque just because you're Catholic?

That isnt a good analogy. A Catholic wouldn't go to a mosque because the mosque doesn't offer services the Catholic wants, such as Catholic-centered worship and Catholic/Christian spiritual guidance.

Boycotting the products and services of a busness based soley on their politics if it is one that offers services you like, is the analogy.

We are boycotted the St Patricks Day and Thanksgiving dinners put on by our neighborhood Methodist Church because they allowed a group to use their premises for training street protesters dirng the Michael
Brown riots. We never miss those dinners, but for one year we did not attend.

[iris lilies]

Hobby Lobby will not provide health insurance that covers contraception for it's employees because their religion does not believe in it. I don't like the way they are treating their employees so I take my $ elsewhere.
I can see that boycotting Hobby Lobby isnt anout their religious beliefes, it is about imposing those beliefs on others.

That said, I am now a big Hobby Lobby fan. I kinda sorta knew who they were before the big media exposure but I didnt go there, I went to Michaels instead. But now at I am doing a lot of floral designs, I use Hobby Lobby a lot. I got my good luck contaners there this year at HL, they won three 1st place ribbons including one very competitive class. So yay, Hobby Lobby!

[Alan]

Hobby Lobby will not provide health insurance that covers contraception for it's employees because their religion does not believe in it. I don't like the way they are treating their employees so I take my $ elsewhere.
Isn't it great that you have the ability to live your principles, and wouldn't it be a shame if the government forced you to violate your conscience? I suspect the owners of Hobby Lobby feel the same way.

[ApatheticNoMore]

Isn't it great that you have the ability to live your principles, and wouldn't it be a shame if the government forced you to violate your conscience? I suspect the owners of Hobby Lobby feel the same way.

I suspect the employees don't feel the same way. But anyway I pay taxes, the government declares wars I don't agree with, so I'm arguably paying for things I don't agree with.

Good people probably violate their consciences for about two reasons, the most likely is they need the money and have minimal choice at that point, but government forcing them could be a reason. A lot of things that one could question the morality of (say driving a car) are really entirely socially normalized so not including those.

For every whining Hobby Lobby with an overly sensitive conscience upset about paying for healthcare there are probably 100 separate employees somewhere wondering: violate my conscience (say a Wells Fargo employee creating fake accounts) or homelessness hmmm ... tough choice.

[freshstart]

no Chik Fil A, Hobby Lobby or Walmart here. Had a horrible fight with ex-BF over Chik Fil A with that big brouhaha quite a few years ago. I should've cut my losses with him then.

[Alan]

I suspect the employees don't feel the same way. But anyway I pay taxes, the government declares wars I don't agree with, so I'm arguably paying for things I don't agree with.

Yes, I've never understood why we the people have given the federal government so much power to use force against others, including ourselves. When we give them the ability to force others to meet our wishes, we leave ourselves open to be the others.

[LDAHL]

Yes, I've never understood why we the people have given the federal government so much power to use force against others, including ourselves. When we give them the ability to force others to meet our wishes, we leave ourselves open to be the others.

Because we live in the golden age of the busybody. Everyone is demanding some level of control over others property, thoughts and actions. We've inverted the concept of tolerance into a code of imposing a narrow new prescriptive rule on others. We value identity over intellect. Where consensus breaks down, we rush to coerce. We've even automated gossip through a world wide web.

[peggy]

Isn't it great that you have the ability to live your principles, and wouldn't it be a shame if the government forced you to violate your conscience? I suspect the owners of Hobby Lobby feel the same way.

But isn't it a difference when she personally chooses to not shop there while not being able to FORCE others to not 'violate her conscience'? The Hobby Lobby boss wasn't just satisfied with not personally using birth control. He wanted (and succeeded) in forcing his employees to observe his religious beliefs. Living your own principles is far different from forcing everyone else to live your principles, wouldn't you agree? No one, ever, said the Hobby Lobby boss couldn't live his principles. But, he apparently doesn't share your 'live and let live' philosophy when it comes to his employees.
And as far as the phony 'principles' of the Hobby Lobby folks go...most of the crap they sell comes from china, a country that has forced abortions and birth control. Everything he buys from them could be found in the US. Now where do his 'principles' stand?

[peggy]

no Chik Fil A, Hobby Lobby or Walmart here. Had a horrible fight with ex-BF over Chik Fil A with that big brouhaha quite a few years ago. I should've cut my losses with him then.

+1

[Alan]

Now where do his 'principles' stand?Solidly behind the first amendment. You remember it don't you? It starts out "Congress shall make no law....."

[bae]

The Hobby Lobby boss wasn't just satisfied with not personally using birth control. He wanted (and succeeded) in forcing his employees to observe his religious beliefs.

Did Hobby Lobby fire anyone for not being whatever religion the owner is?

Did it discriminate in hiring based on religion?

Did it fire employees for using birth control, or having abortions?

Or did it simply refuse to pay for employees' birth control?

I don't see that Hobby Lobby forced anyone to do anything...

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13-354_olp1.pdf

[bae]

Solidly behind the first amendment. You remember it don't you? It starts out "Congress shall make no law....."

I thought the Supremes went with the RFRA on that case, and didn't hang their hats on the First Amendment so much:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/chapter-21B

[Alan]

I thought the Supremes went with the RFRA on that case, and didn't hang their hats on the First Amendment so much:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/chapter-21BI think you're right, although the RFRA does hang its hat on the First Amendment in that it affirms the free exercise of religion clause. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/2000bb%E2%80%931