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19Sandy
10-22-16, 10:26pm
I heard that Rhonda Byrne has more books besides The Secret now. I checked and my library only has one of the other books. I need to read both to work on the manifesting and positive thinking. I should check out the Spark Joy books again too to do more decluttering. :)

iris lilies
10-22-16, 11:33pm
I heard that Rhonda Byrne has more books besides The Secret now. I checked and my library only has one of the other books. I need to read both to work on the manifesting and positive thinking. I should check out the Spark Joy books again too to do more decluttering. :)

sorry, but I think those books are silly. Every generation has its guru who pushes the idea of " if you can visualize it in a positive way, you can have it."

William Wattles was the guru more thsn a century ago, Napolean Hill wrote
Think and Grow Rich in the 1940's, and Catherine someone was the guru in the 1960's.

They are all snake oil salesmen.

Zoe Girl
10-22-16, 11:59pm
I would suggest the book BrightSided by Barbara Ehrenreich (sp?). She does a wonderful inquiry into the positive thinking movement. I have a strong aversion to these books, sorry OP. I think the decluttering books sound good, and positive affirmations can be part of some healing process, however I get concerned that people end up feeling much worse about themselves when things don't work out.

My former MIL who has since passed away was into visualizations when she got cancer back in the early 90's (we were in Boulder). In addition to having cancer she blamed herself and then felt guilty for imposing on the family. It was so sad.

catherine
10-23-16, 6:53am
sorry, but I think those books are silly. Every generation has its guru who pushes the idea of " if you can visualize it in a positive way, you can have it."

William Wattles was the guru more thsn a century ago, Napolean Hill wrote
Think and Grow Rich in the 1940's, and Catherine someone was the guru in the 1960's.

They are all snake oil salesmen.

Haha.. Not surprised that's your POV, IL! As you know, I think differently. I used to listen to Napoleon Hill with my Walkman while ironing in the basement. (Hmmm, I wonder who I said was the 60s guru? Can't recall--perhaps it was Catherine Ponder, who wrote The Dynamic Laws of Prosperity.)

In any case, Sandy, if you DO want motivational books along the line of The Secret, here are a few suggestions:

As A Man Thinketh, James Allen (this is a true classic--I've given it to my kids as graduation presents)
Counterclockwise, Ellen Langer (fascinating stuff written by a Harvard psych and well-reputed researcher)
Manifest Your Destiny, Wayne Dyer
Wishes Fulfilled, Wayne Dyer
Creative Visualization: Use the Power of Your Imagination to Get what You Want in Life Shakti Gawain
Jack Canfield's Key to Living the Law of Attraction, Jack Canfield (he's the author of the "chicken soup" books
The Seven Spiritual Laws of Success, Deepak Chopra

That's just a few.. Here's more, from a great life optimization site I use daily
https://brianjohnson.me/philosophersnotes-tag/positive-psychology/

BTW: I do NOT believe that if I visualize a Jaguar all day long, someone will dump one in my driveway. But I do believe in principles that have a basis in psychology, like Carl Jung's synchronicity, and mind over matter ideas like the placebo effect.

Rogar
10-23-16, 8:57am
It has been a while since I struggled through The Secret and I've been amazed at it's popularity. The thing about The Secret is that most of it really isn't a secret. The power of positive thinking is nowhere new and maybe was popularized by Norman Vincent Peale. And visualization I think is fairly common amount some high performance athletes. The Secret seems to carry it to some sort of new agey extreme. The memory that I've been left with is the book relied heavily on using visualization and positive thinking to attract wealth and maybe power. The real secret is that wealth and power do not equal happiness. There does seem to be a mind-body connection to health, and visualization techniques are used to help cancer patients with some vague but possibly valid science behind it. The Secret appeared to me to allow forms of negative guilt when their positive thinking doesn't result in a cure.

I hope there are better self-help books out there, but I thought The Secret was pretty bogus. Although the author's positive vibes have apparently garnered some sort of wealth for her in exchange for duping a large audience.

iris lilies
10-23-16, 10:21am
Yes! It was Catherine Ponder and her " prosperity" books of the 60's! When The Secret hit big as a book, my library had a run on Wattles and Ponder. Napoleon Hill has had steady popularity over decades, but Wattles and Ponder had faded into obscurity. The Secret brought them out of hiding.

I dont know how I could have forgotten Dr. wayne Dwyer, he was all over the bestseller listsover many decades, but he also wrote about much more than creative visualization.

we have talked about ths issue before here. I very much think that in order to gain something you've got to be able to think of it and focus on it. The "positive thinking" aspect of gaining material goods isnt an ethical system I want to participate in, though.

Positive thinking for the purpose of appreciating your life is a good thing, but it is different from future prosperity visualization.

JaneV2.0
10-23-16, 11:15am
I've never been able to focus on anything long enough to test the theory, but I think some people can make it work. Single-mindedness and tunnel vision can accomplish a lot.

I liked Bernie Siegel's work, and read and enjoyed Bill Moyers' Healing and the Mind. Great wealth has never been an interest of mine, so that wouldn't be my focus. If I had any. :~)

frugal-one
10-23-16, 11:45am
sorry, but I think those books are silly. Every generation has its guru who pushes the idea of " if you can visualize it in a positive way, you can have it."

William Wattles was the guru more thsn a century ago, Napolean Hill wrote
Think and Grow Rich in the 1940's, and Catherine someone was the guru in the 1960's.

They are all snake oil salesmen.

You know IL... you have been on the boards for a long time but lately you are VERY negative. I don't think you even realize it.

I read a book a long time ago called "The Magic of Thinking Big" and it changed my life. I got a job that I never envisioned and it enabled me to retire years earlier than if I had just "gone with the flow." I think The Secret is the same premise. You truly are what you think!

iris lilies
10-23-16, 11:57am
You know IL... you have been on the boards for a long time but lately you are VERY negative. I don't think you even realize it.

I read a book a long time ago called "The Magic of Thinking Big" and it changed my life. I got a job that I never envisioned and it enabled me to retire years earlier than if I had just "gone with the flow." I think The Secret is the same premise. You truly are what you think!
Ok!

In my personal life I always visualized and went after what I wanted. "Going with the flow" doesnt get you (the generic you) to a place you want to be. I agree so much about that! I think that most people who pull up stakes in the place they were born and raised, and who go after a different life elsewhere are well versed at creative visualization.

But sitting around visualizing the Jaguar in my driveway, if the visualization is made up largely of fantasizing, doesnt get me from point A to ownng that Jaguar. There is always that danger, too much fantasy, not enough common sense action.

i am deeply skeptical of the latest "Secret " when success isnt a secret at all. And, the push for material goods through fantacizing and magical thinking seems icky to me. It is a fine line between "visualize what you want" and magical thinking.

LDAHL
10-23-16, 12:21pm
In accomplishing anything, confident hope is an asset and craven despair is a liability. Whether you want to call it "visualization" or not, planning for how you will accomplish something is more valuable than just wishing for it. Believing in the power of your dreams is less effective than boring hard work. I think most of us realize this intuitively. But the market for inspirational speakers and self-help books revealing "the secret of success" indicates that many of us want to hear it from somebody else in endless new forms.

Seems harmless enough to me, and possibly even helpful. My preference is a few hours in a quiet room with a pencil and paper and whatever pertinent information is available.

iris lilies
10-23-16, 2:08pm
In accomplishing anything, confident hope is an asset and craven despair is a liability. Whether you want to call it "visualization" or not, planning for how you will accomplish something is more valuable than just wishing for it. Believing in the power of your dreams is less effective than boring hard work. I think most of us realize this intuitively. But the market for inspirational speakers and self-help books revealing "the secret of success" indicates that many of us want to hear it from somebody else in endless new forms.

Seems harmless enough to me, and possibly even helpful. My preference is a few hours in a quiet room with a pencil and paper and whatever pertinent information is available.
Maybe it all has to do with "agency," that word we've been tossing around here a lot lately.

Realizing that one has agency in one's own life, understandng that you ARE the architect of your own life, that may be the life changing concept of The Secret for many people. And if this book and others like allow people to internalize this concept, that is a good thing.

pony mom
10-23-16, 7:15pm
We were given "Excuse Me, Your Life is Waiting" in massage school; very easy to understand and a quick read: https://www.amazon.com/Excuse-Your-Life-Waiting-Astonishing/dp/1571743812 Google search will bring up a PDF version, but it's just one long paragraph.

There's another, much older book that I read during my "great depression" episode that was a great help to me, along with YMOYL. Darn, can't remember the title but I'll hunt around for it online.

I believe in the law of attraction and have used it for many years. In fact, I've been in the mood to focus on something new but haven't thought of anything I REALLY need or want yet. Sure, more money would be great, but usually I focus on something specific and in detail.

pony mom
10-23-16, 10:04pm
Found it!! I kept thinking it had the word "dynamite" or "bomb" in the title. Kinda close. https://www.amazon.com/TNT-Within-Claude-M-Bristol/dp/0671765469/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

This was an old book in the library that first got me interested in LOA. Very outdated now but still motivating.

Tybee
10-24-16, 12:14am
I find the law of attraction working in odd ways all the time, not sure how to act on it, but I know I am getting messages when things come in as coincidences. For example, we were sitting in a Cracker Barrel the night before going on a trip to visit my son in Maine, and we were set to look at a house in Waldoboro, Maine in about five days. We ate dinner at the table and at the end of the dinner I happened to look up (this was in Michigan Cracker Barrel), and the poster hanging a foot away above my head was an old movie house poster for the Waldo Theatre in Waldoboro, Maine, dated 1938.

We did not buy the house, but I can't help but think I'm being told to look there for some reason....

This kind of thing happens to me when I am "tuned in," which is another way I think of laws of attraction adn positive thinking--it's like your channels are cleared so you can get the messages you are supposed to get.

19Sandy
10-24-16, 2:55pm
I find the law of attraction working in odd ways all the time, not sure how to act on it, but I know I am getting messages when things come in as coincidences. For example, we were sitting in a Cracker Barrel the night before going on a trip to visit my son in Maine, and we were set to look at a house in Waldoboro, Maine in about five days. We ate dinner at the table and at the end of the dinner I happened to look up (this was in Michigan Cracker Barrel), and the poster hanging a foot away above my head was an old movie house poster for the Waldo Theatre in Waldoboro, Maine, dated 1938.

We did not buy the house, but I can't help but think I'm being told to look there for some reason....

This kind of thing happens to me when I am "tuned in," which is another way I think of laws of attraction adn positive thinking--it's like your channels are cleared so you can get the messages you are supposed to get.

I think this is called synchronsity, and if I am tuned in, then I notice it too. Like Oprah says, the universe sends you a message with a whisper and if you don't listen, then it starts to throw bricks at you.

I see it as life coincidences - and it feels good when it goes the right way.

My library had The Secret and The Power but not the other books. The Power is about love and how it can improve your positivity. As humans, we find it difficult to love our enemies or give up our grudges.

Teacher Terry
10-24-16, 6:31pm
I think many of the new age books, ideas are good as long as you act on them. But i have seen people expecting to get $, etc by doing nothing but positive affirmations and visualization. If it was that easy we would all be rich. Also i also believe that when we hit a bunch of stumbling blocks and try to push through we might be better off waiting. Whenever I have pushed through I have been sorry. It was almost like I was ignoring the message to wait. My Mom always said that if you ignore your intuition you will be sorry and I have found this to be true.

pony mom
10-24-16, 7:28pm
If I do affirmations, I always say "This, or something better" instead of insisting on things going only one way.

Zoe Girl
10-24-16, 7:44pm
I think many of the new age books, ideas are good as long as you act on them. But i have seen people expecting to get $, etc by doing nothing but positive affirmations and visualization. If it was that easy we would all be rich. Also i also believe that when we hit a bunch of stumbling blocks and try to push through we might be better off waiting. Whenever I have pushed through I have been sorry. It was almost like I was ignoring the message to wait. My Mom always said that if you ignore your intuition you will be sorry and I have found this to be true.

That has been my experience too. I thought a long time ago that we need to learn to listen and meet the world halfway. Sometimes we can work on something and the answer is simply no. My gut gets me pretty far actually, and sometimes my gut tells me to work my bum off for one of these goals too!

JaneV2.0
10-24-16, 9:03pm
... i also believe that when we hit a bunch of stumbling blocks and try to push through we might be better off waiting. Whenever I have pushed through I have been sorry. It was almost like I was ignoring the message to wait. My Mom always said that if you ignore your intuition you will be sorry and I have found this to be true.

I couldn't agree more. You should never second guess your intuition. Like you, I have ignored my gut feelings and pushed and it has been a huge mistake each time.

19Sandy
10-24-16, 10:20pm
A friend told me that the point behind the Secret is to improve your subconcious thoughts to being positive. This includes your dreams while sleeping and those bad habit thinking patterns in the brain that you don't know that you are thinking.

Gardenarian
10-26-16, 8:51pm
I'm taking a class called "Be Your Own Life Coach", and the teacher is using The Secret video (among other sources.)

I guess this stuff can help you figure out what you really want from life. Unfortunately, most of the people in the video are very focussed on money and materialism. Maybe there is as part where people discuss how they became more generous, kind, and joyful, but we haven't got there yet.

iris lilies
10-26-16, 9:12pm
I'm taking a class called "Be Your Own Life Coach", and the teacher is using The Secret video (among other sources.)

I guess this stuff can help you figure out what you really want from life. Unfortunately, most of the people in the video are very focussed on money and materialism. Maybe there is as part where people discuss how they became more generous, kind, and joyful, but we haven't got there yet.
Thats a good point, and that has been my impression of The Secret, its extreme materialist message.

Tammy
10-26-16, 11:18pm
The Secret is the secular version of the charismatic faith and prosperity message.

I despise it all.

It causes anyone who is not wealthy and healthy to blame themselves. Their own lack of faith. Or sinfulness. Or lack of knowing the secret to life.

Hogwash.

rosarugosa
10-27-16, 4:40am
I thought the book was total nonsense, which is not to say that I don't think it's important to have a positive attitude. Tammy & Rogar both summed it up pretty well.

awakenedsoul
10-28-16, 8:32pm
Hi Sandy,

I read The Secret and really enjoyed it. I've found that I need a combination of hard work, sweat, commitment, and excellence, in addition to creative visualization and thinking big. For me they work together. I loved the books by Catherine Ponder. I believe one was called The Dynamic Laws of Prosperity. I read them when I was in my thirties. I also used Shakti Gawain's Creative Visualization book and tape when I was a professional dancer. It really helped me to plan and shape my career. I would do the meditations before I went in to the theater at night. Olympic athletes also use these techniques. They still train their physical body heavily, but they also discipline the mind. It is extremely powerful. The body responds to what we think and feel.

I think where people get into trouble is if they become passive, unrealistic about money, and then don't take action. I listen to Dave Ramsey regularly and have applied his techniques. He often talks about having a target. I think writing down goals and taking steps to achieve those goals is very important. I also have taken survival jobs when I needed the income. Each morning I write down my sales goals for my etsy shop, my bank balances, and the steps I need to take to reach those goals.

I know that people I do business with are more likely to be repeat customers if I'm in a positive, generous, and kind state of mind. There's nothing like being in sales to teach you about the importance of your character and behavior. My dad had a very successful business. He used to listen to Earl Nightingale tapes in his car. He gave those tapes to me when I moved out at age seventeen. I listened to them and achieved my dreams of becoming a Rockette, dancing with Juliet Prowse, Arthur Duncan, and many other people I admired. I encountered some wonderful opportunities. Most of the successful artists that I know employ these techniques. They are also very disciplined people. They also get along well with others in their field. My voice teacher used to remind me to "Focus on what you want."

catherine
10-29-16, 8:35am
I've found that I need a combination of hard work, sweat, commitment, and excellence, in addition to creative visualization and thinking big. For me they work together.

....

I think where people get into trouble is if they become passive, unrealistic about money, and then don't take action. I listen to Dave Ramsey regularly and have applied his techniques. He often talks about having a target. I think writing down goals and taking steps to achieve those goals is very important. I also have taken survival jobs when I needed the income. Each morning I write down my sales goals for my etsy shop, my bank balances, and the steps I need to take to reach those goals.

I know that people I do business with are more likely to be repeat customers if I'm in a positive, generous, and kind state of mind. There's nothing like being in sales to teach you about the importance of your character and behavior. My dad had a very successful business. He used to listen to Earl Nightingale tapes in his car. He gave those tapes to me when I moved out at age seventeen. I listened to them and achieved my dreams of becoming a Rockette, dancing with Juliet Prowse, Arthur Duncan, and many other people I admired. I encountered some wonderful opportunities. Most of the successful artists that I know employ these techniques. They are also very disciplined people. They also get along well with others in their field. My voice teacher used to remind me to "Focus on what you want."

Very well said, awakenedsoul. +100

iris lilies
10-29-16, 8:51am
Sorry, but I think that's a strange thing to say. Maybe it's not important as food is important, but like awakenedsoul, my success in all areas of my life can be traced back to cultivating a positive attitude.

She is actually saying that a positive attitude iS important.

Probably at this point we all agree that a positive outlook and confidence in our abilities to achieve are keys to success. Some of us find so many of these positivity gurus to be a turn off. We cant connect with them. That's ok, as long as we get our inspiration for positive thinking from somewhere if not The Secret.

See, I like the raucous discussions on the MMM forums for personal finance analysis. Many here are turned off by that vibe. To each his own.

catherine
10-29-16, 8:55am
She is actually saying that a positive attitude iS important.

Oops! I'll edit my comment. Thanks IL. Sorry, rosa!

ApatheticNoMore
10-29-16, 11:40am
Unfortunately, most of the people in the video are very focussed on money and materialism. Maybe there is as part where people discuss how they became more generous, kind, and joyful, but we haven't got there yet.

well that's most of the culture. Although her version of materialism may be extreme if it's fancy car, fancy house, plenty of bling, jet setting the world and fine $100 meals or something. For most it might be more: afford a decent place, pay off some debt, have some nice things here and there. Not even simplicity, just tempered by economic reality. But it is the culture. Do you often hear people make new years resolution to be more generous? "This year I'm going to work at the food kitchen once a month, donate x% to charity, and practice kindness toward everyone I meet"). Nah didn't think so (it's always lose weight, which always fails, people would be better off just resolving not to gain weight, in a decade they would be skinnier than all their peers their age ... I digress. People do not generally make un-selfish resolutions was my point. It's an afterthought in the culture generally).

Tybee
10-29-16, 11:57am
thats so funny, Apatheticnomore, I actually do hear people make positive unself resolutions all the time, and I agree that these days, prosperity visualization is more leaning towards a roof over one's head, food to eat, and health insurance! I think people are less materialistic these days and more concerned about larger global topics. But again, I guess its where you live, who you run with, and what you think about, which is why I am a fan of all things positive, as the negative imput tends to shut me down, and positive lifts me up.

rosarugosa
10-29-16, 12:42pm
No offense taken, Catherine! When I re-read my sentence, I see that I could have worded it a little more clearly. I'm a big fan of positive thinking and one of my employees calls me "Pollyanna" - I like to think affectionately, lol. DH is definitely on the negative side, and I'm always urging him to adopt a more positive attitude because I think it makes for a happier life. So you may hear me saying things to DH like, "No, I don't want to hear what's pissing you off, I am the world's foremost authority on what pisses you off, how about telling me what makes you happy for a change?" I thought The Secret had more of a message that just thinking about something and wishing for it could make it happen, and I don't believe that is a true or useful message.

awakenedsoul
10-29-16, 3:38pm
Thanks Catherine. I've still got the book; I'll have to reread it. It's interesting to me how we all have such different takes on it. I remember thinking that when I do keep myself in a place of "good vibrations" that I attract the kind of people I enjoy. To me it's like being aware of the energy that you emanate. Dogs can tell immediately if you are a dog person. I would like to be able to broadcast to people the goodwill that I feel towards dogs.

The one thing I don't remember the book mentioning is dealing with your dark moods. I've found that it's really important to feel emotions like grief and anger, and that it's impossible and unrealistic to feel happy all of the time.

To the original poster: You might also like the book The Game of Life and How to Play It, by Florence Schovel Schinn. (I'll have to check the spelling.) I really like her work, as well.

rosarugosa
10-29-16, 6:21pm
Awakened: Don't you think your success was a combination of positive thinking and a whole lot of hard work? I have gathered from your posts over the years that you have always been very committed to practicing hard and keeping your skills sharp. I don't think the positive thinking alone did the trick.

19Sandy
10-29-16, 7:08pm
You know I have both the Secret and the Power here, and there is nothing about just wishing and dreaming. It mentions hardwork in addition to positivity.

rosarugosa
10-29-16, 8:07pm
I read The Secret about 8 years ago, so it certainly isn't fresh in my mind, but I just looked at Amazon for (admittedly) the top unfavorable review (since I didn't like the book and was wondering if I recalled it correctly). The review that follows corresponds with my opinion of the book. Of course this is all subjective territory, and if others derive something useful from this book, then that's great.
2.0 out of 5 stars A Word to the Wise..., March 19, 2007
By Dr. Mario E. Martinez
This review is from: The Secret (Hardcover)
I am commenting on The Secret as a clinical psychologist who specializes in how cultural and spiritual beliefs affect health as well as the author of a book about converging science and mysticism to navigate our personal journey. First, The Secret is a compilation of opinions from a group of professionals in several fields, rather than a book by the author. It would be more accurate for Ms. Byrne to present herself as the editor, rather than the author of the book. Having said that, it is important to distinguish between wishful thinking and mind-body science. Although the concepts expounded in the book are beautiful examples of what we could achieve if we explored our potential, it leaves the reader with "feel-good" platitudes, by failing to convey that simply wishing something does not attract anything other than expectations that lead to disappointment. As a scientist, I have seen the mind bypass biology in miraculous ways, but this does not happen by just wishing and waiting for "the laws of attraction" to work. Instead, change requires honoring commitments, not blaming others for our failures, assessing the self-sabotaging that surface when self-esteem is compromised, and realistically defining goals.
The success of this book shows how hungry we are for someone to tell us that change happens magically without having to confront our demons and without taking responsibility for the life we created with our actions.
While I wish Ms. Byrne the greatest success, I want to caution the reader that if "wishful thinking" does not attract what you want, do not blame yourself, because it was only thoughts without action.

JaneV2.0
10-29-16, 10:04pm
"As a scientist, I have seen the mind bypass biology in miraculous ways..."

Bill Moyes' book addresses that phenomenon, as do Bernie Siegel's. In neither, do I get the nose to the grindstone, self-punitive vibe this reviewer is espousing.

awakenedsoul
10-29-16, 11:09pm
Awakened: Don't you think your success was a combination of positive thinking and a whole lot of hard work? I have gathered from your posts over the years that you have always been very committed to practicing hard and keeping your skills sharp. I don't think the positive thinking alone did the trick.

Oh yeah. I combined the meditations and visualization with very high caliber training. I practiced and trained so hard I wore away all the cartilage in my hips! I definitely believe the balance of the two helped me.

Sandy, That's how I interpreted the book, too. I saw it as shifting your vibration out of negative patterns and self defeating habits.

JaneV2.0
10-30-16, 6:03pm
I haven't read The Secret, but I've read similar material, and I don't think it's a matter of positive thinking and hard work--I think it's more a matter of tapping into the Universal, Carl Jung's collective unconscious or tuning into "frequencies" that resonate with your particular focus. This all sounds rather woo woo until you consider savants who sustain head injuries and suddenly turn into mathematical geniuses or composers (Jason Padgett, Derek Amato), and scientists who use psychedelics to tune into what appears to be a consciousness greater than their own (Francis Crick, Ralph Abraham).

Tussiemussies
11-1-16, 8:17am
I have been in a spiritual study for a long time that uses similar principles and really now I am only visualizing and autosuggesting for things I need. I have had so much success with this process and especially with my health it is incredible. When I first studied about it I though it was crazy and then I thought, it's just thoughts, there is no harm in trying it out. It has been a huge blessing for me to have this in my life. Right now I listen to Peace Pilgrim, James Allen, and Concept-Therapy along with quotes from the Kabbalah, which basically is on the same page. I love it and the spiritual philosophy resonates deeply within me.

Tybee
11-1-16, 9:22am
Thanks, Tussiemussie, for mentioning these resources, and I will definitely check them out.
Nobody ever accused Peace Pilgrim of gross materialism, lol!!

iris lilies
11-1-16, 9:32am
"As a scientist, I have seen the mind bypass biology in miraculous ways..."

Bill Moyes' book addresses that phenomenon, as do Bernie Siegel's. In neither, do I get the nose to the grindstone, self-punitive vibe this reviewer is espousing.o
I'm confused. Does The Secret excerpt Bill Moyes and Bernie Siegel? The reviewer mentioned by rosa doesnt seem self punishing to me. She seems to be agreeing that mind over what-we-currently-understand-as-physics is achievable, just not with any "secrets" from The Secret.

I am just deeply skeptical about book titles like Its a Secret! and What They Dont Want You to Know! and the like, they turn me off. It is a kind of tone and style that bugs me, like Robert K whats his name, the rich daddy/poor daddy book, he has this galloping breathless "come along with me hurry hurry and I will reveal to you life changing magic!" style that instantly causes me to pause and say "whoa, slow down asshat, now...what?"

The reading experience feels like a sales job.

JaneV2.0
11-1-16, 12:40pm
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I'm confused. Does The Secret excerpt Bill Moyes and Bernie Siegel? The reviewer mentioned by rosa doesnt seem self punishing to me. She seems to be agreeing that mind over what-we-currently-understand-as-physics is achievable, just not with any "secrets" from The Secret.

I am just deeply skeptical about book titles like Its a Secret! and What They Dont Want You to Know! and the like, they turn me off. It is a kind of tone and style that bugs me, like Robert K whats his name, the rich daddy/poor daddy book, he has this galloping breathless "come along with me hurry hurry and I will reveal to you life changing magic!" style that instantly causes me to pause and say "whoa, slow down asshat, now...what?"

The reading experience feels like a sales job.

I doubt the author excerpts either author. I haven't read The Secret, so I don't know.