View Full Version : Won't have to wear a condom and other state ballot initiatives
iris lilies
11-9-16, 11:03am
I guess it is a good thing that the heavy hand of government will not be dictating porn stars wear condoms in their, um, work. California citizens defeated that idea. Note that there is already a voluntary industry standard to wear condoms.
Colorado will not have a single payer health care system, not a surprise.
The "picture ID" ballot initiative passed in my state, but I doubt it will hold up in court.
Any other interesting things happening in other states?
You can legally smoke pot now in Massachusetts and all your eggs will be cage free.
MA has joined the legalized states - although I expect the state will drag out implementing this like they did when medical marijuana was voted in.
ToomuchStuff
11-9-16, 11:25am
I wish I remember where I read it, but MO already has an id requirement, the difference was in requiring the picture. I used a Federal voter registration card for years, including yesterday, and remember reading the courts had already declared the photo part unenforceable/hence the affidavit part.
iris lilies
11-9-16, 11:36am
I wish I remember where I read it, but MO already has an id requirement, the difference was in requiring the picture. I used a Federal voter registration card for years, including yesterday, and remember reading the courts had already declared the photo part unenforceable/hence the affidavit part.
Of course you have to show ID when you vote.
ToomuchStuff
11-9-16, 11:42am
Of course you have to show ID when you vote.
But no photo. I expect a one line change in the books, would make it the affidavit part, which might help prevent the expense of lawsuits over something already declared unenforceable.
Teacher Terry
11-9-16, 1:27pm
Most states do not require voter ID. Pot is legal in NV now.
Of course you have to show ID when you vote.
Not in MA (unless it's your first federal election or a few other caveats) - they just ask your address, then your name, and then check you off on the printout they have of registered voters.
My state overwhelmingly passed an initiative that allows you to be stripped of your right to possess a firearm, without due process.
You don't have to be convicted of a crime, and the burden of proof is on you to show that you *should* be allowed to possess.
Nice!
https://know1491.org/aclu-wa-position/
Colorado passed right to die and minimum wage increase. Probably some pot legalities too of which I know nothing though I do get tired of smelling it here.
And CA also joined the recreational pot party.
iris lilies
11-9-16, 2:32pm
My state overwhelmingly passed an initiative that allows you to be stripped of your right to possess a firearm, without due process.
You don't have to be convicted of a crime, and the burden of proof is on you to show that you *should* be allowed to possess.
Nice!
https://know1491.org/aclu-wa-position/
Oh that sucks so much. Do you think that will pass the test of Constitutionality?
iris lilies
11-9-16, 2:34pm
Not in MA (unless it's your first federal election or a few other caveats) - they just ask your address, then your name, and then check you off on the printout they have of registered voters.
Seriously, any Joe Schmoe can impersonate me and vote under my name? That is frightening. Screw that.
Seriously, any Joe Schmoe can impersonate me and cote under my name? That is frightening. Screw that.
Only if they can successfully forge your signature.
Only if they can successfully forge your signature.
I didn't sign anything.
If someone did do that, your name would be already be checked when you came to vote. Which would flag an issue. I don't know how they would "fix" that, but out of the 20+ years I've been voting in MA, I haven't heard of any issues of voter impersonation reported.
Of course if the impersonator came after you voted, they would be asked for id at that point and they'd be caught.
iris lilies
11-9-16, 3:17pm
I didn't sign anything.
If someone did do that, your name would be already be checked when you came to vote. Which would flag an issue. I don't know how they would "fix" that, but out of the 20+ years I've been voting in MA, I haven't heard of any issues of voter impersonation reported.
Of course if the impersonator came after you voted, they would be asked for id at that point and they'd be caught.
Yes, I understand the issue would be flagged, but that is tough luck for me, wanting to vote.
It is hard for me to grok such carelessness in protecting voter's rights, but since creaker is an accurate reporter here, I have to believe it, believe it and weep. In my city this would be abused so fast your head would spin.
Yes, I understand the issue would be flagged, but that is tough luck for me, wanting to vote.
It is hard for me to grok such carelessness in protecting voter's rights, but since creaker is an accurate reporter here, I have to believe it, believe it and weep. In my city this would be abused so fast your head would spin.
When it starts being abused, I would completely agree with you. But so far that abuse does not appear to have happened here - or at least not at a level to be in the media's sights.
I vote by mail, and they compare my signature and good luck to anyone attempting to forge that! I do wonder about the generation of block printers coming up--how does that work, when they all look the same?
iris lilies
11-9-16, 6:36pm
When it starts being abused, I would completely agree with you. But so far that abuse does not appear to have happened here - or at least not at a level to be in the media's sights.
all right, then. I want to know how your voter rolls sre purged.
here, they are not purged. After several elections, if someone hasnt voted, they go on an "inactive" file.
somene on Nextdoor is said that his address receives 4 voting cards for each election, 4 cards not for him and that are for people who haven't lived there in forever, including someone he knows to be dead.
in that scenario creaker's system is begging for fraudulent activity. Keep in mind folks that local elections are determinded by a haNdful of votes. The family run politician mafias here all have to get only 100 people lined up to act illegally, and there they are, voted in.
I didn't sign anything.
If someone did do that, your name would be already be checked when you came to vote. Which would flag an issue. I don't know how they would "fix" that, but out of the 20+ years I've been voting in MA, I haven't heard of any issues of voter impersonation reported.
Of course if the impersonator came after you voted, they would be asked for id at that point and they'd be caught.
So when you show up at the poll you announce yourself and they just say "hello creaker. Here's your ballot." Everywhere I've lived I've had to sign the voting roll next to a scan of the signature from when I registered. The poll worker compares the two and then I get to vote.
We had to show our id, give our address, sign our name. If we did not have photo id, we could have voted with an affidavit. But they had to physically find you on the rolls, then see id, then have you sign.
So when you show up at the poll you announce yourself and they just say "hello creaker. Here's your ballot." Everywhere I've lived I've had to sign the voting roll next to a scan of the signature from when I registered. The poll worker compares the two and then I get to vote.
They ask for my address - and then they ask my name. And they validate against registered voter list. So I'd need to know both of those (and also know that name wasn't previously used to vote - if so there are police in the polling station). If it's my first time voting or they think something is off they will ask for id. So I suppose someone could try to use my name to vote - but no one appears to.
rosarugosa
11-9-16, 8:12pm
My experience has been the same as Creaker's, and I've been voting in MA for 40 years. I've never had an issue or heard of anyone else having an issue. I was under the impression that they use the local census to keep the lists updated. I think the form states that failure to respond may result is removal from the voting lists.
iris lilies
11-9-16, 8:32pm
My experience has been the same as Creaker's, and I've been voting in MA for 40 years. I've never had an issue or heard of anyone else having an issue. I was under the impression that they use the local census to keep the lists updated. I think the form states that failure to respond may result is removal from the voting lists.
Here they probably use several databases to keep things current, such as the "motor voter" program which uses drivers licenses data. But of course that is discriminatory.
Hmmm, I thought census data is anonymous (for 75 years anyway) or unless you get the long form. Maybe I'm wrong there.
Ultralight
11-9-16, 9:08pm
Wait, what is a condom?
Here they probably use several databases to keep things current, such as the "motor voter" program which uses drivers licenses data. But of course that is discriminatory.
Hmmm, I thought census data is anonymous (for 75 years anyway) or unless you get the long form. Maybe I'm wrong there.
We get a local form yearly - update people at your address, party affiliation if they have one (MA you're required to vote in your registered party for the primary). It's not affiliated with census data.
flowerseverywhere
11-9-16, 10:57pm
Medicinal pot passes ( great news)
a proposition to amend the Florida constitution to give power to the utilities to increase your bill if you go solar sponsored by the utility companies was defeated . The wording on the ballot was deceptive too.
We have to show photo ID. They swiped your license. Everyone in line when I voted presented their license.
Bae, sorry about the gun thing. We have super permissive gun laws here with no restrictions on the horizon.
rosarugosa
11-10-16, 6:01am
Thanks, Creaker. That's what I'm thinking about. I'll also add that if you don't have a party affiliation in MA, you can choose whichever primary ballot you want.
ToomuchStuff
11-10-16, 3:04pm
Oh that sucks so much. Do you think that will pass the test of Constitutionality?
As written, with the challenge and discrepancies the ACLU pointed out, I expect the courts would send it back as a try 2. I don't see another discrepancy listed; third parties. If someone living in my house is deemed unfit, then can they decide they need to take MY property as a resident of the same location?
Here, that would have had a real world effect. Several years ago, two local LEO's were retiring the same week. I was to work the retirement party of one (help out and didn't know which one) when one was shot, through the head, on his last day, due to a persons kid either being off his medication, or getting it mixed wrong. He beat his family, broke into the safe, stole one of their guns and shot at the cops at the house, hitting the retiring one in the head, on his last day.
Wait, what is a condom?
Something progressives use to avoid making little progressives. Well, at least they used to - according to the CDC they may have forgotten how:
https://www.cdc.gov/std/stats/
all right, then. I want to know how your voter rolls sre purged.
here, they are not purged. After several elections, if someone hasnt voted, they go on an "inactive" file.
somene on Nextdoor is said that his address receives 4 voting cards for each election, 4 cards not for him and that are for people who haven't lived there in forever, including someone he knows to be dead.
in that scenario creaker's system is begging for fraudulent activity. Keep in mind folks that local elections are determinded by a haNdful of votes. The family run politician mafias here all have to get only 100 people lined up to act illegally, and there they are, voted in.
I found this on Boston Globe:
There is already a process by which out-of-date registrations are eventually removed from voter rolls.
The state labels voters “inactive” if they do not respond to annual censuses that each city and town in the state conducts.
Galvin said that of the 4,534,974 voters registered as of Oct. 19, the last day people could register for the upcoming election, 540,510 of them, or nearly 12 percent, were considered “inactive voters.”
Inactive voters can still vote, but they have to clear extra hurdles that don’t apply to active voters.
When checking in to vote, inactives are asked to fill out and sign a form saying where they live and to present proof of their residency.
But if an inactive voter fails to cast a ballot for four years — or in two consecutive biennial state elections — and does not take any other step to affirm their residency with election officials, they will be removed from voter rolls completely.
Galvin said federal law requires inactive voters to be kept for that long.
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