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razz
11-14-16, 10:55am
I have watched and read so many views and concerns about the Trump win, puzzled and thought about what might be the end result or path going forward.

There was legitimate concern about 'establishment control by partisan groups' and the 'protected' vs the 'unprotected' or 'haves' vs 'have-nots'. It is a world situation not just a US concern. My heart has ached about both the political refugees and economic migrants as this is part of an age-old story. So many came to North America since 1600 as economic migrants or 'political refugees'; including me.

I am an optimist and believe that concept of the Republic (based on a First Nations' political system, BTW) is a positive power aligned with democratic approach.
The following is an article from John Mauldin Letter worth considering as it makes sense to me explaining what is going on. Fish in an ocean can't see the water but an objective view can help. What do you think?

This Could Be Our 1989

Jeffrey Tucker
Originally published by the Foundation for Economic Education
November 11, 2016

You might think that the greatest political, cultural, economic shock of our lifetimes, right here in the USA, would unleash a torrent of salient and incisive commentary. There's been some good, some confused, some angry. But mostly what I've seen is a kind of mouth-open shocked.

Here’s the problem: all the experts were wrong. I’m in the same boat as almost everyone else. We followed the cues we had – polls, betting odds, our own intuitions – but they were all misleading, and everyone underestimated the vulnerability of the status quo. Admitting this takes humility – vast oceans of it. It challenges us to throw away what we thought we knew and consider a new way of thinking.

Trump triumphed over every bit of conventional and establishment wisdom on the whole of planet earth. What was once regarded as expertise lies in ruins. Not even the people with skin in the game, those betting on the outcome, came close to being right. It's the greatest smashing of a paradigm – a devastating crush of not only opinions but every existing establishment left, right, and center – I can imagine happening in real time.

And perhaps this is just the beginning. There could be more exciting times to come.

A Paradigm Ends

Most of us have spent the last several days just trying to get reoriented. Just last week, speaking in two states that swung the election, I spoke about a coming meltdown of the old days and the emergence of something new, hopefully a new freedom. I've written for several years that the old ways of politics are dying and the institutions it gave rise to are dying as well.

Here’s the problem in brief. The institutions of government we know all too well were built for a world that is rapidly fading away. Their systems no longer work. And they are too costly. In times when people are watching every dollar, bargain hunting on every website, government looks ever more like a ripoff. As a result, there is an increasing disconnect between our lives and the regime under which we live.

Such a situation is not sustainable for the long term. Government is powerful, but not powerful enough to bend reality to its wishes.

The only analogy that really comes to mind is the collapse of the Soviet Union and its satellite states. The evidence of the end became obvious in 1989 with the revolution in Poland, and continued in Hungary, Romania, Czechoslovakia, and East Germany. Protests came to Tiananmen Square in China. The Berlin wall was brought down. Then the unthinkable: the Soviet Union itself dissolved as 14 countries declared their independence.

No one expected this to happen either. It was like an uncontrollable wave. People were in shock. There was a sudden sense that no one knew what was going on, that events were taking a course that outsmarted everyone, that all expertise was destroyed, and that there was a seismic shift in the universe.

In those days, the champions of freedom rejoiced about the devastation wrought to the Old World and we celebrated the possibilities of a New World.

I've written that something similar could and would happen in the Western democracies. Our systems seem stable. We have our establishments. We have our embedded expectations of how the world is supposed to operate, with its politics, economics, and culture. But real world events will take a different course, one that challenges everything we thought we knew.

What would this look like? No one could anticipate. I've speculated about the gradual decline to irrelevance of the old bureaucracies and institutions. Gradual but relentless – that’s how I imagined it would happen. And yet there are always those black swan events that make a mess out of all our wildest expectations.

The Black Swan

That is precisely how this strikes me right now – a black swan that is huge, fast, and ominous to the point that it causes mass intellectual and psychological meltdown. What's striking is this event is not as intellectually clean as the collapse of socialism, at least not to us. But that's probably because we all watched the events in Russia and Eastern Europe from afar. Our perspective, watching on television, was simple: the bad guys are being kicked out and freedom is winning.

The reality on the ground was more complicated. The revolutionaries had their own designs for power. The new people prepared to take power had their own agendas. There were political machinations all around, as instability provided hope but also enormous danger. And while the universal results were a vast improvement, there was no clean line of travel between tyranny and freedom. Whole societies and regimes had to be rebuilt on a different basis and a different view of politics and economics.

In the last year and a half, I warned often of Trump's politics and his views. Many are illiberal in uncountable ways. But in other ways, there is a great deal of good here too. It's a wheat and chaff problem. On the plus side, what happened represents a serious blow to a technocratic, Progressivist, and managerial regime that could only perpetuate the status quo. On the downside, what stands to replace it is not the embodiment of the ideals of either the Scottish Enlightenment or a digital-age libertarianism.

All these details of the Trump platform are still important, but strike me as less relevant to what we can expect going forward. The more I look at it, the less it seems to me that the election results are less about what Trump believes and more about what he represents: a fundamental shattering of an old paradigm. And I'm finding the widespread commentary that this represents some kind of triumph of racism, misogyny, etc. etc., to be superficial and even preposterous. And you know this if you visit with any regular voter.

What lies in ruins here is not common decency and morality – much less the character of a whole people and nation – but rather an anachronistic, arrogant, entitled, smug, conceited ruling elite and ruling paradigm. You can see this in the clues that show that the vote was not so much for a particular vision of one man, but against a prevailing model of managing the world.

Our Uncertain World

Now, look at this from a Hayekian lens. This lens asks us to be humble in the face of an unknowable future and the uncertainty of a world that constantly resists planning and top-down rule. Here we can begin to make sense of what has happened.

Now, to be sure, there are dangers ahead. No one can deny that. The great risk is replacing a failed paradigm with yet another one of a different flavor. Maybe it will be worse. There is no way to know for sure until it happens. But here is where the role of ideas comes into play, and where the role of public intellectuals and institutions like the Foundation for Economic Education truly matter.

What we've learned from populist revolutions past is that they can turn in many different directions depending on the ideas that prevail in their wake. We've learned that it is not enough to hate the status quo and overturn an existing ruling class.

We need to be clear on what it is that we love, what kind of society we want to live in, what kind of people we want to be, how we regard our fellow human beings, what kind of ethical core should be at the center of our lives.

Here the liberal tradition has the answer. We need peace. We need opportunity for all, leading to a shared prosperity. We can depend on the spontaneous order to build the kind of world we desire. We can't plan it from the top. It must be ordered from below, through the lives, choices, behaviors, and decisions of millions and billions of people who are pursuing happiness above all else.

Speak Out with Courage

In other words, this is not the time to sit in stunned silence, much less join the chorus of people who are cursing the darkness around us or wishing that what is already done had occurred in a different way. This is the time for Leonard Read's candle to be lit and passed around the room, from person to person, room to room, city to city, nation to nation, all over the world.

Maybe this is it. Maybe this is the opportunity we've waited for for so long. It hasn't taken the form we expected, or even wanted. So it goes in life. No one explained this better than Hayek. We've been granted a glorious opportunity. The world is seeking out a new answer.

We are living in times that Thomas Kuhn would call "pre-paradigmatic." The old is going away, or already gone. What the future holds depends on the ideas that prevail in the great intellectual struggles of public life. I hope we all do what we can to shed light and wisdom on the present and for the future.

As Hayek said, this task will consume the whole of our lives going forward.

__________

JaneV2.0
11-14-16, 11:31am
I'd like to be as optimistic as Tucker is, and I agree that one factor in Trump's success was a widespread rejection of the status quo, but that he has immediately surrounded himself, not with an eclectic New Guard, but with the shopworn, authoritarian party hacks of old gives me no room for hope. I'm usually pretty sanguine about these things, but I can't find much to cheer in this situation.

Zoe Girl
11-14-16, 11:47am
Yeah, not feeling very positive. I am waiting to see if he actually does what the people voted him to do or if he realizes how hard it really will be to change from the existing power structures.

Meanwhile he needs to use his media savvy to immediately stop the violent attacks on people of color. No compromise there.

Tybee
11-14-16, 11:50am
Meanwhile he needs to use his media savvy to immediately stop the violent attacks on people of color. .

I agree, and I also think it could be the best possible thing to do, and at least last night he said for his supporters to stop harassing people. That is a start. He needs to address this every day, and he needs to reach out to people who are protesting his election. He needs to do it now, I think, n order to be effective.

jp1
11-14-16, 12:46pm
I am waiting to see if he actually does what the people voted him to do or if he realizes how hard it really will be to change from the existing power structures.

Meanwhile he needs to use his media savvy to immediately stop the violent attacks on people of color. No compromise there.

I suspect he will soon find that being president is not nearly as fun as running for president. I read somewhere (don't know how accurate this is) that he wants to keep doing campaign style rallies. That would certainly help calm things down...

iris lilies
11-14-16, 1:19pm
Yeah, not feeling very positive. I am waiting to see if he actually does what the people voted him to do or if he realizes how hard it really will be to change from the existing power structures.

Meanwhile he needs to use his media savvy to immediately stop the violent attacks on people of color. No compromise there.
Sigh.

He can't "stop the violent attacks on people of color." That is silly since they are fringe lunatics. ZG do you claim the fringe lunatics on "your" side? Will you admit that there ARE some?

He can admonish those who commit violent acts. But doing it daily? No way, the problems dont rise to that level.

Teacher Terry
11-14-16, 2:40pm
IL: sorry but he encouraged people to be violent with all his talk during his campaign. He will not like being president and many are predicting that he won't last one term. However, Pence would be much worse then him so let's hope that does not happen either. You can't believe anything that comes out of Trump's mouth so no clue if he will stick to what he said during the campaign or not. During 60 minutes last night he was already changing some of his campaign promises so no clue what he will really try to do. The only good thing is that he will make such a disgusting mess out of everything that whomever the dems run in 2020 will have a great shot at winning.

ApatheticNoMore
11-14-16, 3:34pm
Very hubristic essay, it represents some vast sea change. Uh .. the thing is the parties tend to alternate holding the Presidency, so if historical trends were to continue that way it's the Republicans turn. I'm not saying it's good or something and that is how it ought to be, I'm just saying the parties always tend to take turns historically. Only a few times in history has a party held more than 8 years and one of those cases was FDR!

So it can be seen as ever so much status quo in that way. Now the end results might not be status quo but the alternating of parties is. Maybe this happens because of periodic disgust with our government and throwing the bums out only to tire of the new bums as well. Well we don't really get good government so ...

iris lilies
11-14-16, 3:50pm
Very hubristic essay, it represents some vast sea change. Uh .. the thing is the parties tend to alternate holding the Presidency, so if historical trends were to continue that way it's the Republicans turn. I'm not saying it's good or something and that is how it ought to be, I'm just saying the parties always tend to take turns historically. Only a few times in history has a party held more than 8 years and one of those cases was FDR!

So it can be seen as ever so much status quo in that way. Now the end results might not be status quo but the alternating of parties is. Maybe this happens because of periodic disgust with our government and throwing the bums out only to tire of the new bums as well. Well we don't really get good government so ...

Oh, I pretty much agree with you, ANM. This administration-elect is a slightly different version of the same ol same ol, if you step back far enough to view them. I try to remember that our Republican/Democrat differences look the same to far outsiders as the Sunni/Shia differences look to me.

Rogar
11-14-16, 6:12pm
On the night of the election one of the talking heads said something like, "People have complained about the tradition political establishment for years. It looks like this is how it is going to deconstruct." I might have agreed with him at the time and still might today, but I think there are some indications of the same old "stuff". Names from the good old white boy network, like Gingrich and Giuliani are coming up as high cabinet advisers. I'm not seeing anything that will divorce big money from politics. It is going to be a long haul for much of the change Trump has threatened or promised, and the proposed new tax structure will increase the wage gap between the wealthy and the regular people. There are a lot of unknowns, and I could see anything from our version of brown shirts and the night of broken glass to a series of failures and successes where government is rebuilt to better serve the people. But mostly I'm just seeing a bumpy road down the path of the same conservative political machine that has had it's toe in the government tent for years.

creaker
11-14-16, 6:40pm
"A man is known by the company he keeps."

I don't see good things coming from the people he's lining up.

JaneV2.0
11-14-16, 7:23pm
Trump is in way over his head, so he'll depend on those around him to do all the work, while he presides over the gilding of the White House, tunes up his tan, and plays a round or two of golf with high rollers. Every once in awhile he'll give a fiery, substance-free speech just to show he's still there, while his minions do the dirty work to demolish the gains we've made in gay rights, civil rights, women's rights, health care, the environment, diplomacy...The winners will be the oligarchs and the White Nationalists; the losers may be the rest of us, if he tweaks Kim Jong Un or has an ugly breakup with Vladimir. or if his policies kick climate change into overdrive. I hope I'm wrong.

Teacher Terry
11-14-16, 8:41pm
Jane, you stated it perfectly. It is very depressing.

Rogar
11-14-16, 9:05pm
"A man is known by the company he keeps."

I don't see good things coming from the people he's lining up.

One possible upside is that his selections are coming from the few friends he has left in the GOP. If I were a person who had been subject to his derogatory comments about the integrity about myself or my family during the primaries and other forums I might tow the line in public, but would not let things slide.

ApatheticNoMore
11-14-16, 9:21pm
while his minions do the dirty work to demolish the gains we've made in gay rights, civil rights, women's rights, health care, the environment, diplomacy...The winners will be the oligarchs and the White Nationalists; the losers may be the rest of us, if he tweaks Kim Jong Un or has an ugly breakup with Vladimir. or if his policies kick climate change into overdrive. I hope I'm wrong.

some of this may have happened either way. One concern with the trade agreements (accurately the Obama-Hillary trade agreements as they were huge proponents) is that they would enshrine corporate rule to such a degree that environmental regulation would be impossible anyway. It's probably impossible with Republican control in the U.S. as well. Hillary was pro-fracking, it takes no speculation, her folks defeated an anti-fracking platform proposal for the Dem platform (they also defeating an anti-TPP proposal). A better Congress might be able to do something but a lot of stuff would happen regardless of who is President.

I suppose one can hate the game more than the player (and Obama and Hillary were caught up in playing), the game being a money drenched political system (a political system run on bribery might be more accurate).

Rogar
11-14-16, 9:39pm
Trump's policies for trade pose sort of a conundrum. By bringing some imaginary factory jobs back to America, goods will be made where there are more strict environmental regulations relative to coal oriented China or maybe even Mexico. And consumers could start paying closer to the true price for their goods that includes a few market externalities. I suppose too, we could become the China of the environmental future if the EPA is "refocused" and the return of coal is actually feasible.

Lainey
11-14-16, 11:24pm
Trump is in way over his head, so he'll depend on those around him to do all the work, while he presides over the gilding of the White House, tunes up his tan, and plays a round or two of golf with high rollers. Every once in awhile he'll give a fiery, substance-free speech just to show he's still there, while his minions do the dirty work to demolish the gains we've made in gay rights, civil rights, women's rights, health care, the environment, diplomacy...The winners will be the oligarchs and the White Nationalists; the losers may be the rest of us, if he tweaks Kim Jong Un or has an ugly breakup with Vladimir. or if his policies kick climate change into overdrive. I hope I'm wrong.

+1 Decades of downstream effects.