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gimmethesimplelife
11-19-16, 11:19am
It has taken me quite some time to stand up and deal after the elections. To say that I am scared is very much an underststement. I've done what I could and have two bags packed, access to some running money, and quick access to my passport. I advise others to do the same but this is other people's homework, to see the necessity to do so. I've taken the 85006 pledge to do at least one small legal thing every day to make Trump's time in office more difficult. We are having email and phone drives in the 85006 to kick this off and it's so wonderful to see the 85006 unified against Trump and all he claims to today stand for. But it's dawning on me......the next four years are going to be like the 60's, with constant terror or the government, constant protests, the world at long last truly seeing what America is about (smartphone record everything the next four years, we all share a duty to human rights to expose America to the world at every juicy opportunity during the Trump presidency). There will likely be scattered opportunities for political asylum elsewhere once the human rights abuses multiply and become worse. Smart people will grab them as it is a legal way out for good....no more terror of America and it's future direction necessary. I see some people cashing in on the Trump Years by using them to never set foot here again, and I see many people constantly protesting in a bid to try to preserve basic human rights and basic human dignity against Mr. Trump. I guess let's just get the blankshow started then. At least I will be able to say I experienced something like the 60's......and maybe I'll be one of the lucky ones who is able to use Trump for purposes of political asylum. Remains to be seen. Intetesting times though, no? Rob
Zoe Girl
11-19-16, 11:25am
There is a push in my community to make sure that transgender citizens get all their papers in order, legal name changes, birth certificates, passports up to date. We have had at least one transgender hate crime in Denver, I am sure more. I truly don't know what will happen, so I hesitate to say it will all be okay in the end since I am not in too much danger.
What sort of human rights abuses do you predict?
I like to think there are still enough reasonable/ethical/kind people in the U.S. that will stand up to Trump's choices. Then again.........I was sure before the election that the high number of those reasonable/ethical/kind people would show up to vote and there would be no way Trump could win. Bummer. I don't plan on leaving. yet. We'll see what the future brings.
iris lilies
11-19-16, 11:37am
...have two bags packed, access to some running money, and quick access to will grab them as it is a legal way out for good....no more terror of America ...
Still interested to know where and when you are going. Sorry, but making the threat to leave the USA as often as you have done over the years doesnt contribute to your credibility.
Since you have bags packed and cash ready (the easy part) where will you be heading for the rest of your life, how will access those countries long term, how will you support yourself, and what about your mother who youve said keeps you here?
What are the legal things you are doing to make Trump's reign difficult? Besides protesting, I mean, or making phone calls to organize protests? I do not mean those are minor things, I just want to know if there are more imaginative ideas.
Zoe Girl
11-19-16, 11:42am
What sort of human rights abuses do you predict?
Right now and starting the day after the election I was getting many reports on my news feeds, girls as young as 10 being grabbed by the crotch, black children physically attacked, brown children (not all hispanic) being told they would be deported, drinking fountains with labels of white and colored in public schools. I know of one attack on a trans-woman in Denver and many of our schools are on high alert but I don't know how many incidents we have had in Denver. They are starting to track this more in general, many schools are stepping up and making statements, suspending and expelling students who are doing these things. I would love that it was not happening and it was as simple as my interests didn't win, that is not holding true
sweetana3
11-19-16, 11:56am
Zoe, heard from a teacher that they can keep the children safe in school but there are incidents outside of school. Bullying is increasing. I think the kids are modeling their parents.
And yes, I think America is walking backwards to a very bad period in our history. Some have truly forgotten or never learned about our fairly recent history.
All I can say is stand up for the oppressed. If you see it happening, stand up and get involved.
Zoe Girl
11-19-16, 12:11pm
The classroom teachers are working hard, but we have never had this to deal with before so there is no playbook. I teach mindfulness in 2 classrooms. The 2nd grade classroom had a couple kids come in excited about Trump, and then other kids reacted. The class is already very challenging. The lesson I did with them, and that was even more effective in the 5th grade room, was to talk about stress briefly. Have them give me a sign of their stress level with their thumb. Thumb straight up was stressed every day, to the side was 2 times a week and down was not stressed at all. Then I had them look around at their classmates stress levels. We did 3 minutes of mindfulness sitting and then talked about how we can help our crew (that is what they call their classrooms) when we see someone who had a thumb all the way up. We also talked about who they could go to in our building, teachers, counselors, etc. if their stress was way too high to manage. I cannot ignore what is happening and do a lesson that does not relate to them right now, in fact at the end of the 5th grade lesson I cried. I saw the whole room soften and relate to me and each other. I wasn't the only one with tears.
iris lilies
11-19-16, 12:19pm
The classroom teachers are working hard, but we have never had this to deal with before so there is no playbook. I teach mindfulness in 2 classrooms. The 2nd grade classroom had a couple kids come in excited about Trump, and then other kids reacted. The class is already very challenging. The lesson I did with them, and that was even more effective in the 5th grade room, was to talk about stress briefly. Have them give me a sign of their stress level with their thumb. Thumb straight up was stressed every day, to the side was 2 times a week and down was not stressed at all. Then I had them look around at their classmates stress levels. We did 3 minutes of mindfulness sitting and then talked about how we can help our crew (that is what they call their classrooms) when we see someone who had a thumb all the way up. We also talked about who they could go to in our building, teachers, counselors, etc. if their stress was way too high to manage. I cannot ignore what is happening and do a lesson that does not relate to them right now, in fact at the end of the 5th grade lesson I cried. I saw the whole room soften and relate to me and each other. I wasn't the only one with tears.
how did you relate to the two kids who were "excited about Trump?" Were they allowed to express happiness throughout the session?
What does "stress way too high to manage?" mean, exactly? If it cant be "managed" what is the next step?
At least I will be able to say I experienced something like the 60's.....
I think they used paragraphs back in the 60's. So that's something.
ToomuchStuff
11-19-16, 12:34pm
I think the kids are modeling their parents.
If you see it happening, stand up and get involved.
That first quoted sentence, seems to fit parents as well as Trump. Do as I say, not as I do.
Then again, I expect it fits most of Congress, as they are exempt from their laws in so many cases.
The later part, isn't that something that hasn't ever changed? I thought the founding fathers even believed that, as they gave us the right of free speech, freedom of assembly, etc.
Shocked that many believe this is new.
Right now and starting the day after the election I was getting many reports on my news feeds,...
My "news feeds" have been full of all sorts of outrageous tales from both "sides". Often when I did, I find no substantiation, or outright fabrication. I'm curious what the before/after incident rate really looks like, and what's really going on...
- Is there just increased reporting of valid incidents, and this has been going on all along?
- Has the rate gone up/down/sideways?
- Are the incidents what they really seem? Are they actually associated with the "side" or "-ism" they appear to be?
Have any of you personally witnessed anything untoward? I've seen very little out here, but our community is the most liberal one in the state - Trump only got ~25% of the vote here. I was verbally assaulted in our local pub right after the election, seemingly for simply being male, white, privileged, and not-a-Hillary-voter. It nearly became physical assault, but the young lady who was coming after me was too inebriated to carry out her intent, as the height of the bar stool was incompatible with her motion.
JaneV2.0
11-19-16, 12:57pm
My "news feeds" have been full of all sorts of outrageous tales from both "sides". Often when I did, I find no substantiation, or outright fabrication. I'm curious what the before/after incident rate really looks like, and what's really going on...
- Is there just increased reporting of valid incidents, and this has been going on all along?
- Has the rate gone up/down/sideways?
- Are the incidents what they really seem? Are they actually associated with the "side" or "-ism" they appear to be?
Have any of you personally witnessed anything untoward? I've seen very little out here, but our community is the most liberal one in the state - Trump only got ~25% of the vote here. I was verbally assaulted in our local pub right after the election, seemingly for simply being male, white, privileged, and not-a-Hillary-voter. It nearly became physical assault, but the young lady who was coming after me was too inebriated to carry out her intent, as the height of the bar stool was incompatible with her motion.
This might have been totally unrelated to Trump, but I recently was in line at my local grocery-of-choice when the man behind me started ranting loudly about the slowness of the checker--"a 'retard' could do it faster than that!" He went on about the quality of the employees, on and on.
I apologized, tongue in cheek, for having a huge order, and noted "But still you shop here." The manager, who was checking us out, told her staff to watch for him and call security if he came in and started harassing her staff again.
I've never experienced such sustained, overt rudeness at a local business, and I'm convinced that Trump's boorishness has given a license to all his fellow boors, bullies, and haters to act out accordingly. I could be wrong,
iris lilies
11-19-16, 1:36pm
I think it is a bad thing if boobs from our lower echelons of society take the Trump victory as a signal to act with barbarism and boobery by bullying fellow students. There is no doubt in my mind that some boobs ARE doing that, some, as in "a few".
Bullys need no special inspiration, they grab whatever idea is in front of them at the moment to use as justification to badger somene else.
I dont buy in whole the idea that there is a sudden increase in bullying and that is due to Donald Trump. These are perceptions, and biased perceptions at that, from a largely female population of professionals in education who do not like Trump.
What I've learned about living in a zip code that has one of the highest murder rates in the world is this: perception is reality when it comes to fear. Perception that bullying has increased is the same as "bullyinghas increased" in the human arena and all measures showing otherwise wont matter, people are gonna believe what they believe.
Sround here we work to reduce crime as well as the perception of crime because an ordinary measure of crime tells only part of the story. It doesnt make the average Moe feel safer if he is the one who was last week's victim even though overall crime stats may be down. Keeping street lights lit, encouraging neighbors to install outdoor lighting, organizing citizen patrons, workong with police to,get more coverage--these are a few of the actins we take. Do,they really make a difference? Wjo know, but proactive work is good for the mental health of people who,famcy themselves victims.
My own neighborhood has seen an 11% rise in crime over last year and a particularly annoying spat of recent small crimes from a trio of boys from the Projects. I do not ascribe their thievery to being mad about Trump's campaign and election, I just thnk they are mini-thugs doing what thugs-in-training do.
I think it's high time we come down hard on people who do bad things. They're given too many chances and then make others think they can do bad stuff and get away with it. I'm not liberal at all in this regard. Would we be so tolerant of cancer in our bodies? These people are cancers to our society and we do very little about it. That is contributing to our problems in the U.S. today too.......among a few hundred other things......
Maybe if we drained the prison swamp, we'd make some progress. Yes, I believe in capital punishment.
how did you relate to the two kids who were "excited about Trump?" Were they allowed to express happiness throughout the session?
What does "stress way too high to manage?" mean, exactly? If it cant be "managed" what is the next step?
The kids have been very vocal for about a year and a half on both sides, a lot of kids wanted to say things about Trump throughout the last year. We do not let them name either candidate, and my relationship has not changed with them or the parents because I know how they voted. I have spent a lot more time with parents who are struggling however. I have spent the last 6 years in this job working on having my afterschool activities reflect the community around race, income and language. The first 2 years was spent working on having more kids and families of color involved, even working with staff to have staff that reflect our community, and as a result I have some very strong relationships. I intentionally work with families that are struggling with behavior and learning issues, making sure we have an afterschool program that can meet their needs, some of them did vote for Trump. They get as much protection and support from me as anyone else. Right now the parents who are sharing with me are reporting racially based effects. So this is not a newsfeed from across the country for me. I also feel like sharing too much details just keeps looping around, arguments about how they shouldn't feel that way or need to prove they are at risk,
As far as too high to manage we have a variety of ways to work with that. In previous years I have had a couple families in distress, kids would shut down, refuse to speak, run from program. It was a longer project including just sitting with them physically, offering art materials, communicating with teachers and social services, creating behavior plans, and sometimes just feeding them more.
I haven't witnessed anything different but have heard a few reports from friends of of anglo arrogance that surfaced after the election. Simple things like, speak English, this is America.
Per the OP, I don't think there is really anything a person can do right now to make Trump's time of office more difficult. I only see a time sink to vent frustrations. I do see some comparisons to the 60's and suspect the time will come for organized citizen movements to address or disrupt specific issues. Right now the opportunities I see are to be true to one's beliefs and to speak up or act when we see things in our daily routines that are not right. There may be chances to interact with people from the "other side" to get some better understanding, explain a position, or find some common ground.
I think it's high time we come down hard on people who do bad things. They're given too many chances and then make others think they can do bad stuff and get away with it. I'm not liberal at all in this regard. Would we be so tolerant of cancer in our bodies? These people are cancers to our society and we do very little about it. That is contributing to our problems in the U.S. today too.......among a few hundred other things......
Maybe if we drained the prison swamp, we'd make some progress. Yes, I believe in capital punishment.
I believe in punishment for serious crimes--in not-for-profit government-run institutions--but I don't support capital punishment, because you can't say "Oops, my bad" if you execute the wrong person. I'm not particularly troubled by some beyond-a-doubt torture slayer getting offed; maybe I should be. But the DP is applied very unequally (the Green River Killer, with dozens of victims, got LWOP) and often with prejudice. We could drain the prison swamps by letting all the low-level drug offenders out, but prisons are big business in this country, so don't look for it to happen any time soon.
frugal-one
11-19-16, 3:05pm
I haven't witnessed anything different but have heard a few reports from friends of of anglo arrogance that surfaced after the election. Simple things like, speak English, this is America.
I don't find this arrogant! People in the US speak English. It used to be that immigrants who came here learned English and tried to fit in. We should not be put out because people who come here don't choose to learn our language IMHO. Personally, when I travel to other countries I try to learn some of the language just to get around. If I planned on living there you can be sure I would learn the language!!!!!!
I don't find this arrogant! People in the US speak English. It used to be that immigrants who came here learned English and tried to fit in. We should not be put out because people who come here don't choose to learn our language IMHO. Personally, when I travel to other countries I try to learn some of the language just to get around. If I planned on living there you can be sure I would learn the language!!!!!!
Many, many people speak English as a second language (or third, or fourth, etc.), and will fall back on other languages when talking to family, friends, etc. Just because someone is not speaking English doesn't mean they don't. But many people seem to get annoyed anyway when they hear it in public, and seem more concerned about people speaking in other languages in their presence than whether or not they know English.
frugal-one
11-19-16, 3:19pm
Many, many people speak English as a second language (or third, or fourth, etc.), and will fall back on other languages when talking to family, friends, etc. Just because someone is not speaking English doesn't mean they don't. But many people seem to get annoyed anyway when they hear it in public, and seem more concerned about people speaking in other languages in their presence than whether or not they know English.
This is not what I was referring to..... obviously. It is people who do not know how to speak English but live here and do not even try to learn.
I don't find this arrogant! People in the US speak English. It used to be that immigrants who came here learned English and tried to fit in.
I just came back from travel which included a small village in New Mexico where they have been speaking Spanish for the past 400 years, and very little English is spoken. The Anglos are the immigrants. I also spent time with my friends on the Navajo and Pueblo lands - the Pueblo view the Navajos as the immigrants, they both think the Hispanics and Anglos are just a passing fad.
This is not what I was referring to..... obviously. It is people who do not know how to speak English but live here and do not even try to learn.
Like many of the Amish and Old World Orthodox Jews in New York, am I right?
Like many of the Amish and Old World Orthodox Jews in New York, am I right?
The Amish are one of the reasons that I, a native-born American, grew up speaking German.
The Amish are one of the reasons that I, a native-born American, grew up speaking German.
Are you saying you grew up around the Amish?
Are you saying you grew up around the Amish?
Yup.
I feel that people need to learn English if they want to live here. I don't mind if they speak English, but revert to their native tongue with friends/family. But as has been mentioned, the people who came over in the early part of last century wanted to assimilate. Many people don't want to assimilate, but want to enjoy all the benefits of living here. What's wrong with having a national language? Letting people come here who don't know English is one of those things that some think means we're a fair/opened society. I think accepting too many of those type of things ends up biting us in the butt. DH's grandmother came over from Hungary, as did his relatives. They learned English, and worked their butts off, kept spotless homes, cooked from scratch, and wanted to be Americans. Yes, they had their groups of like-people, and enjoyed speaking their language to them, cooked Hungarian foods, etc., but they didn't expect to have a closed culture here in the U.S. I think that has changed.
I don't find this arrogant! People in the US speak English. It used to be that immigrants who came here learned English and tried to fit in. We should not be put out because people who come here don't choose to learn our language IMHO. Personally, when I travel to other countries I try to learn some of the language just to get around. If I planned on living there you can be sure I would learn the language!!!!!!
On top of what others mention, there are legal immigrants who come here from other countries to harvest crops, work in packing plants, roof our houses in the heat of summer and other work most U.S. citizens would either not do, or only do for a much higher wage and benefits. Many are seasonal workers. Their first or only language isn't important, but probably most of them are trying to learn enough English to get along in society. Last I heard the citizenship test is only printed in English.
I feel that people need to learn English if they want to live here.
Warum?
What's wrong with having a national language?
Can it be Tewa or Navajo?
Last I heard the citizenship test is only printed in English.
Not exactly. https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/citizenship-through-naturalization/exceptions-accommodations
Warum?
Can it be Tewa or Navajo?
You're being silly bae. When people don't learn the national language, it makes life more difficult for them, and the people they are trying to talk to......be in the grocery store, the BMV, school, police, etc., etc. And then in the U.S., we start to think we have to adjust our classrooms, commercials, directions, signs, etc., etc. to include that other language. I'm sure many of us, if we moved to another country, would gladly learn the language......or maybe even have known it before moving there. It's just one of those things that would make life move along more smoothly for everyone.
Why do you think they want to talk to you?
This is not what I was referring to..... obviously. It is people who do not know how to speak English but live here and do not even try to learn.
I think that is their choice, although I could not imagine doing that myself - it would make life so difficult. Although the amount of time one is planning on living here would be a consideration. I lived in Italy for a while (military brat) - most military people did not learn the language because of the limited time they were to be there even though it was usually years.
This thread has been done to death. Of course adults who immigrate not speaking the language have a hard time, and may never speak English well. Their descendants will and do. Always. Unless, of course, they're religious isolationists.
This thread has been done to death. Of course adults who immigrate not speaking the language have a hard time, and may never speak English well. Their descendants will and do. Always. Unless, of course, they're religious isolationists.
And if the isolationist put up too much fuss about it, you can always take away their children to government boarding schools to crush their language and culture.
Slightly off topic, but since we're talking language... Now that the political majority is somewhere between conservative and alt-right, does that change the definition of being "politically correct"?
This thread has been done to death. Of course adults who immigrate not speaking the language have a hard time, and may never speak English well. Their descendants will and do. Always. Unless, of course, they're religious isolationists.
That's the story of my family's life. My great grandmother never learned any English beyond "Wanna cookie?" Otherwise she only ever spoke German. Apparently she felt it necessary to learn enough English to at least carry on important communication with her grandchildren, who only ever spoke English.
Teacher Terry
11-19-16, 4:42pm
I was too young to remember much about the early 60's but my sister was much older and talked about all the riots when she lived in Milwaukee, people getting killed, cops overreacting to the rioters, black panthers, curfews, etc. I never forgot the stories and how horrible it sounded.
Slightly off topic, but since we're talking language... Now that the political majority is somewhere between conservative and alt-right, does that change the definition of being "politically correct"?
Politically correct has always meant, at least to me, making an honest attempt to be polite to and respectful of people who are different from oneself. Otherwise known as having decent manners. The people who don't want to be politically correct generally don't seem to want to do either. They'd rather mock their disabilities, call them rapists and murders, make menstruation jokes about them or accuse them of being terrorists because of their religion. The definition of politically correct won't change. But the frequency of when it happens seems to be decreasing. This isn't particularly surprising since the president generally has enough media power to set the tone of conversation in the country and when the president (president elect at this point) is a douchebag a lot of people are likely to feel free to be douchebags themselves. But if any good comes of his election, at least the rest of us will forever know who the douchebags are among us.
Teacher Terry
11-19-16, 4:50pm
Fortunately I don't know one person that voted for him.
And if the isolationist put up too much fuss about it, you can always take away their children to government boarding schools to crush their language and culture.
Like Chemawa, in Oregon. That was more a cultural version of genocide (soft genocide?) than a response to religion. But the Trumpies may be planning their own version of religious re-education camps as I type.
ToomuchStuff
11-19-16, 5:18pm
Bullys need no special inspiration, they grab whatever idea is in front of them at the moment to use as justification to badger somene else.
I dont buy in whole the idea that there is a sudden increase in bullying and that is due to Donald Trump. These are perceptions, and biased perceptions at that, from a largely female population of professionals in education who do not like Trump.
I do think that there are some that feel it is now ok to do bad things. Then there is the news, which loves stuff like this, because it drives up stories/coverage, and subscription rates. So in part, any idiots on the edge, may see the increased coverage, and become a self fulfilling cycle.
But it is like anything, the news/media will milk it for all they can get.
I don't find this arrogant! People in the US speak English.
Did I miss a constitutional amendment, making English our national language?
Last I knew, we just missed German by a bit, around the time of the Constitution and no national language was made. We had large German populations in my grandparents and great grandparents times. They "Americanized" the spellings of their names and such, sometime around the war to end all wars.
If they had looked different, they probably would have ended up in interment camps, like the Japanese, or the Native American's.
On top of that, there are those that say we don't even speak English. When looking for a translation dictionary, English to English, you will find it as British to American.
And if the isolationist put up too much fuss about it, you can always take away their children to government boarding schools to crush their language and culture.
And this is not ancient history, this was in many of our lifetimes, certainly mine
iris lilies
11-19-16, 7:02pm
This thread has been done to death. Of course adults who immigrate not speaking the language have a hard time, and may never speak English well. Their descendants will and do. Always. Unless, of course, they're religious isolationists.
Agreed, I dont understand the mentality that adults who immigrate here deliberately chose not to learn English. Why do you all who are making that claim say that?
I expect they have tons to learn and a new language is just one more new thing.
As someone who is not good with languages myself, I could only survive in other countries because so much of the world speaks English.
And this is not ancient history, this was in many of our lifetimes, certainly mine
I have friends who went to these. They're not that old.
gimmethesimplelife
11-19-16, 7:33pm
I have come back home after doing a voluntary patrol of part of the 85006 with my husband. This neighborhood, so long maligned by the city, I am ever more and more proud to live here. Not only did Hillary take the 85006 but we are ramping up our efforts to be a sanctuary zip code for all in the low human rights Trump Years. Anyone who enters the 85006 with a serious issue, we want then to be able to find a designated area with access to free help. So there's something positive for when the snotty white rich kids drive in from the suburbs looking to start blank....arrests for them and assistance for their victims. Also this is meant for DV victims and substance abusers. We refuse to sink behind in the 85006 due to the recent atrocious leadership decision. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
11-19-16, 7:48pm
Specific terrors regarding potential human rights abuses during the Trump Years that keep up residents of the 85006 late at night: More police brutality due to sociopaths behind the badge feeling emboldened to kill at will with no legal leg to stand on.....cops thinking they can suddenly get away with this again due to Trump's win. (How do you even begin to forgive the United States for such evil? Beats me.) Also, among the large Hispanic population in the 85006, there is a great deal of terror of trigger happy sociopathic border agents, which are even harder to get charges to stick to. And Trump wants to triple their numbers! Watch for more murders of innocent Hispanics with people desperately camping outside embassies in Washington DC desperately seeking to middle finger America - as it so richly deserves on this one - via political asylum to another country. This is not far off......Smart people will watch for it as it may usher in easier political asylum for those who can't bear the regime another day. And that's my latest update on this thread. Interesting nightmare we have looming before us, no? Just remember, some will have the brains to use this all to start over or at least finish out their time under less nightmarish conditions elsewhere. Respect these people, these are the victors. Rob
So there's something positive for when the snotty white rich kids drive in from the suburbs looking to start blank....
You get a lot of that?
iris lilies
11-19-16, 7:51pm
I have come back home after doing a voluntary patrol of part of the 85006 with my husband. This neighborhood, so long maligned by the city, I am ever more and more proud to live here. Not only did Hillary take the 85006 but we are ramping up our efforts to be a sanctuary zip code for all in the low human rights Trump Years. Anyone who enters the 85006 with a serious issue, we want then to be able to find a designated area with access to free help. So there's something positive for when the snotty white rich kids drive in from the suburbs looking to start blank....arrests for them and assistance for their victims. Also this is meant for DV victims and substance abusers. We refuse to sink behind in the 85006 due to the recent atrocious leadership decision. Rob
What does the patrol do, exactly? Patrolling is good, it helps patrollers know what is going on in their neighborhood. I did a two hour stint this week of mobile patrol. Are you looking for those in trouble? Do you haul them to shelters?
If "snotty white kids" are to be arrested, won't you have to call police? To the 85006 I mean. I thought you weren't going to summon police, ever. Just take their photo. Aren't they just agents for Trump anyway?
So many questions.
iris lilies
11-19-16, 7:54pm
I have friends who went to these. They're not that old.
Are these the "Indian Schools?"
Are these the "Indian Schools?"
Indeed so. The curriculum was meant to quash the native culture, and force assimilation.
ToomuchStuff
11-19-16, 8:01pm
(How do you even begin to forgive the United States for such evil? Beats me.) Also, among the large Hispanic population in the 85006,
Wait, aren't part of these people American? So they also need to be forgiven, or don't get forgiven, since they are ?
iris lilies
11-19-16, 8:01pm
...as it may usher in easier political asylum for those who can't bear the regime another day. And that's my latest update on this thread. Interesting nightmare we have looming before us, no? Just remember, some will have the brains to use it to start over or at least finish out their time under less nightmarish conditions elsewhere... Rob
Oh Rob, that's such a strange idea, it just isn't rational. What country will offer that to U.S. citizens? And what do you fancy political asylum will get you that you cannot get yourself now?
But that said (you will love this and read something sinister into it) at DH's polling work place he had official poll watchers from the UN, France and Germany, to observe that fairness prevailed. That is pretty funny, yet given the corruption in St. Louis, perhaps not entirely crazy..
But I do wonder why you don't pursue a passport for AUstria since isn't our mother from there? DH and hiw famiis still chasing a Swiss passport for the fun of have ng ne, and possibly our nephews would like to,try working there.
Ultralight
11-19-16, 8:18pm
I am doubtful other nations will grant Americans asylum because of The Orange One. They got their own people, their own problems, and if they are going to accept people into their nation for asylum it'll be folks with some major problems.
I am doubtful other nations will grant Americans asylum because of The Orange One.
Well, if they start registering Muslims.... Or taking them away to special camps....
I'm sort of thinking that's a low-probability event.
gimmethesimplelife
11-19-16, 8:22pm
Wait, aren't part of these people American? So they also need to be forgiven, or don't get forgiven, since they are ?Come again? I am completely not following you. The bit about being unable to forgive America had to do with sociopathic officers killing at will with no legal reason and getting away with it under the Low Human Rights Trump Regime. The next bit about the terrors felt in the 85006 due to sociopathic out of control and unchecked border officers was a new issue being introduced. I hope this explanation makes things clear. Rob
Ultralight
11-19-16, 8:25pm
Well, if they start registering Muslims.... Or taking them away to special camps....
I'm sort of thinking that's a low-probability event.
Yeah, if they start a registry there is probably a possibility that there could be asylum for them. And if they create internment camps, then that will certainly mean those folks could have some asylum opportunities in certain nations (perhaps Islamic Theocracies!).
But I agree that the chances of either of these happening is very remote, though a clandestine registry of certain Muslims could be created. I don't know. The world is different now. I don't think "camps" would fly.
But I agree that the chances of either of these happening is very remote, though a clandestine registry of certain Muslims could be created. I don't know. The world is different now. I don't think "camps" would fly.
A lot of folks seemed pretty keen on using the "no fly list" to oppress folks before the worm turned, so you never know.
Seems the takeaway is that it's probably not a good idea to let the government have enough power to oppress people in the first place, because next week your name might be on the list....
ToomuchStuff
11-19-16, 8:34pm
Come again? I am completely not following you. The bit about being unable to forgive America had to do with sociopathic officers killing at will with no legal reason and getting away with it under the Low Human Rights Trump Regime. The next bit about the terrors felt in the 85006 due to sociopathic out of control and unchecked border officers was a new issue being introduced. I hope this explanation makes things clear. Rob
So your blaming a whole country for a few bad, people in it. That means your blaming, your friends, your mother, many members of this board, and the 85006, as they are America.:confused:
gimmethesimplelife
11-19-16, 8:45pm
So your blaming a whole country for a few bad, people in it. That means your blaming, your friends, your mother, many members of this board, and the 85006, as they are America.:confused:No. Honestly who I blame is the sociopathic officers themselves, thuggish cop culture which inspires this illegal and unconstitutional behavior, and most of all, the corrupt and evil police unions which encourage illegal loss of human life and that look the other way when it happens. I am quite easily able to isolate those responsible for this unacceptable disregard for human life and call them accountable. It's a small group and not the much broader brush of society that you seem to imply. Rob
Zoe Girl
11-19-16, 10:34pm
Indeed so. The curriculum was meant to quash the native culture, and force assimilation.
My good friend was Navajo, her family split a little. One sibling only spoke Navajo after that, others only spoke English. Everyone understood both, they did keep culture but with high poverty the last I knew.
ToomuchStuff
11-20-16, 12:06am
It's a small group and not the much broader brush of society that you seem to imply. Rob
Not the one asking how does one forgive America.;)
And you want to flee to Mexico? Don't they have a bit of a problem with violence down there. I guess as long as you have your smart phone you will be safe.
good luck.
gimmethesimplelife
11-20-16, 12:02pm
You get a lot of that?It's been
happening a lot the past five months so we've started these citizen patrols in the 85006. The perps to date have been snotty rich white kids from the suburbs who overwhelm, attack, beat, and rob older Hispanic women on their way home from doing their marketing. They also yell Wetback Go Home while doing this. The goal is to catch them in the act and ruin their lives via arrest record......a gift from the 85006 which will keep on giving for life. Trash like these punks need to rethink victimizing the 85006, we've had our fill of America already and have no patience for such sociopathic behavior imported from the suburbs. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
11-20-16, 12:11pm
What does the patrol do, exactly? Patrolling is good, it helps patrollers know what is going on in their neighborhood. I did a two hour stint this week of mobile patrol. Are you looking for those in trouble? Do you haul them to shelters?
If "snotty white kids" are to be arrested, won't you have to call police? To the 85006 I mean. I thought you weren't going to summon police, ever. Just take their photo. Aren't they just agents for Trump anyway?
So many questions.And here I have swung by to answer your questions. These patrols are in response to older Hispanic ladies being beaten and robbed by snotty rich white kids from the suburbs. The goal is to catch them in action, get identifying information, and yes, involve the police so as to get arrest records to ruin these punks lives forever.....a courtesy gift from the 85006. So far this is the extent of the patrols, just to focus on the elderly being beaten and robbed by this sociopathic suburban trash. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
11-20-16, 12:17pm
Not the one asking how does one forgive America.;)There really is no way to forgive America in this case. Innocent citizens being murdered in cold blood by sociopathic police officers who get away with it due to how this country is set up......this is completely beyond human forgiveness. I knew this by age 12......luckily I was exposed to America as it really is before any Kool Aid could take effect. Rob
The 85006 certainly has a high crime rate. And it looks like the majority is hispanic. I dought the real problem is rich white kids causing trouble.
Thankfully down in SW Florida we appreaciate our police officers. Recently a citizen shot and killed a thug attacking an officer. One less thug to worry about.
iris lilies
11-20-16, 12:35pm
And here I have swung by to answer your questions. These patrols are in response to older Hispanic ladies being beaten and robbed by snotty rich white kids from the suburbs. The goal is to catch them in action, get identifying information, and yes, involve the police so as to get arrest records to ruin these punks lives forever.....a courtesy gift from the 85006. So far this is the extent of the patrols, just to focus on the elderly being beaten and robbed by this sociopathic suburban trash. Rob
That is excellent work, then, citizen crime patrols! You have to work with police in that. We work closely with them, I call our 3rd District desk sargeant every time I set out in mobile patrol. Rob, I am glad you are stepping forward to take real action. I thinkNk we could be accused of just riding around in a car, but it is still a big step up from typing screeds on keyboards.
My neighborhood's ratio of real action to keyboard action is, oh, I dont know, 1:40? For everyone who spends 4 hours a month on mobile patrol ( that is our reqired minimum) there are 40-50-60 people who cry, whne, and moan about how we need more police presence, we need to hire private security, and blah blah blah. Hw's about them stepping up to do a mobile patrol stint.
It's been
happening a lot the past five months so we've started these citizen patrols in the 85006. The perps to date have been snotty rich white kids from the suburbs who overwhelm, attack, beat, and rob older Hispanic women on their way home from doing their marketing. They also yell Wetback Go Home while doing this. The goal is to catch them in the act and ruin their lives via arrest record......a gift from the 85006 which will keep on giving for life. Trash like these punks need to rethink victimizing the 85006, we've had our fill of America already and have no patience for such sociopathic behavior imported from the suburbs. Rob
Rob, I could get elaborate, but that pretty much sucks. I live in a diverse neighborhood, albeit suburban middle class, and as far as I can tell there have have been no similar issues. I don't thing it is American on the whole, but have no doubt there are regions that have problems like this. Maybe they are more common closer to the border? I have little doubt that the Trump regime will embolden more of this. Hate crimes are among the darkest I can imagine. I would like to think that America is better than this and that there are just small enclaves that are to blame. Maybe I am wrong.
Rob, I could get elaborate, but that pretty much sucks. I live in a diverse neighborhood, albeit suburban middle class, and as far as I can tell there have have been no similar issues. I don't thing it is American on the whole, but have no doubt there are regions that have problems like this. Maybe they are more common closer to the border? I have little doubt that the Trump regime will embolden more of this. Hate crimes are among the darkest I can imagine. I would like to think that America is better than this and that there are just small enclaves that are to blame. Maybe I am wrong.
My awakening experience came about 5 years ago. I had been raised in a bit of a bubble, my parents did not let racism in our house however they were pretty quiet about it. I didn't realize it until I was much older and heard people talking about hearing racist jokes and comments by adults and then wondered why I had not heard these things, ever. However we never talked about it. I took for granted that good people accepted gay kids and different colors and religions. I stepped up one step by talking about it with my kids but it was still a problem of somewhere else. I went to a training over several days on addressing the reading gap in boys of color and listened to people who were actively working with these kids more than I was, including families of color, and had to admit I was just not aware of what was happening. I started to look other places, reading what educators and especially those of color were saying. I think being able to integrate new information is very important right now. I would love to be wrong and think things are better, my neighborhood so far has not had racist graffiti or attacks, however I need to listen to Rob and others who are seeing this first hand. And thank you for addressing this and working with police when I know that is hard for you.
In some ways I wish I had been more aware of what was happening. I see now that in many ways my personal loneliness living in suburban Michigan was also the separation of my family from a lot of people because we did not accept things as normal. I see the simple acts of my parents in reaching out when the first black family moved in, the first hispanic family, the first Indian family and know now they lost friendships every time. They didn't whine or complain, but they also did what was right.
frugal-one
11-20-16, 4:09pm
There really is no way to forgive America in this case. Innocent citizens being murdered in cold blood by sociopathic police officers who get away with it due to how this country is set up......this is completely beyond human forgiveness. I knew this by age 12......luckily I was exposed to America as it really is before any Kool Aid could take effect. Rob
You really need to leave.
gimmethesimplelife
11-20-16, 4:10pm
That is excellent work, then, citizen crime patrols! You have to work with police in that. We work closely with them, I call our 3rd District desk sargeant every time I set out in mobile patrol. Rob, I am glad you are stepping forward to take real action. I thinkNk we could be accused of just riding around in a car, but it is still a big step up from typing screeds on keyboards.
My neighborhood's ratio of real action to keyboard action is, oh, I dont know, 1:40? For everyone who spends 4 hours a month on mobile patrol ( that is our reqired minimum) there are 40-50-60 people who cry, whne, and moan about how we need more police presence, we need to hire private security, and blah blah blah. Hw's about them stepping up to do a mobile patrol stint.IL, Thank You for your kind words. What really inspired me to get involved was the fact that one of the victims could have just as easily been my Mother In Law. It all started striking too close to home so I became willing to bend and flex a bit and cooperate to some degree with the police. I just hope we can catch these POS. But yeah, I have committed twice a week to the patrol. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
11-20-16, 4:12pm
You really need to leave.
Ya think? Rob
There really is no way to forgive America in this case. Innocent citizens being murdered in cold blood by sociopathic police officers who get away with it due to how this country is set up......this is completely beyond human forgiveness. I knew this by age 12......luckily I was exposed to America as it really is before any Kool Aid could take effect. Rob
America, how do I hate thee? Let me count the ways.
I hate thee to the depth and breadth and height
My soul can reach, when feeling out of sight
For the ends of Being and ideal Grace.
I hate thee to the level of everyday's
Most quiet need, by sun and candle-light.
I hate thee freely, as men strive for Right;
I hate thee purely, as they turn from Praise.
I hate thee with a passion put to use
In my old griefs, and with my childhood's faith.
I hate thee with a love I seemed to lose
With my lost saints, --- I hate thee with the breath,
Smiles, tears, of all my life! --- and, if God choose,
I shall but hate thee better after leaving
With apologies to Elizabeth Barrett Browning, maybe we could make this your tagline.
gimmethesimplelife
11-20-16, 4:40pm
America, how do I hate thee? Let me count the ways.
I hate thee to the depth and breadth and height
My soul can reach, when feeling out of sight
For the ends of Being and ideal Grace.
I hate thee to the level of everyday's
Most quiet need, by sun and candle-light.
I hate thee freely, as men strive for Right;
I hate thee purely, as they turn from Praise.
I hate thee with a passion put to use
In my old griefs, and with my childhood's faith.
I hate thee with a love I seemed to lose
With my lost saints, --- I hate thee with the breath,
Smiles, tears, of all my life! --- and, if God choose,
I shall but hate thee better after leaving
With apologies to Elizabeth Barrett Browning, maybe we could make this your tagline.Mmmmmmm........I feel we can not intelligently discuss this topic, Alan. I'd really need you to get up to speed on how laws are applied unequally in this country based on race and social class, along with a refresher cource in exactly which races suffer the most/least under excessive - as deemed by the court - force. Right now we can't talk as we live in/represent two completely different countries and yours has never worked well for me from day one.......So I'll just politely agree to disagree with you. Rob
Mmmmmmm........I feel we can not intelligently discuss this topic, Alan.
Sure we could, if the entire discussion weren't based upon feelings you've had since you were 12. All the years you've been unable to forgive America is based upon a conclusion in search of whatever supporting evidence you can find in dozens of areas.
It's good to take a proactive stance in improving conditions in your neighborhood, but the constant hate of an entire country is tiresome.
ApatheticNoMore
11-20-16, 5:05pm
Things one parent's or whatever tell one at 12 years old are rarely useful guides to life. They are mostly completely worthless as most parental brainwashing is.
Of course there is nothing wrong with having or coming around to similar politics as one's parent's other elders or whatever from reading and learning and thinking and feeling and observing, but it's usually not by way of "this is what I believed at 12 years old". A 12 year old has no experience with working and paying bills and the job market and adult relationships and etc.. - so their opinion on most topics is pretty uninformed.
You really need to leave.
I'd contribute to a gofundme....
I live in an alternate reality where people include themselves when they talk about "America". Where zip codes are a postal convenience rather than an identity group. Where complaints about the cops are generally about there not being enough of them. Where no one dreams of a country they can flee to that can offer them asylum from their inner demons. So I have trouble understanding or sympathizing with many of the arguments being made here. Nor can I grasp the depth of hatred I'm seeing here.
What I'm thinking is that attributing everything bad that happens to Trump is every bit as ridiculous as attributing everything good that happens to him.
gimmethesimplelife
11-20-16, 5:31pm
Sure we could, if the entire discussion weren't based upon feelings you've had since you were 12. All the years you've been unable to forgive America is based upon a conclusion in search of whatever supporting evidence you can find in dozens of areas.
It's good to take a proactive stance in improving conditions in your neighborhood, but the constant hate of an entire country is tiresome.No, unfortunately we can't, as you have made crystal clear here. Instead of acknowledging the huge differences in how the law is applied in the US based on race and social class, you chose to give your America a free pass and refused to even comment on the issue. You also gave your America a free pass as to which races suffer the most under excessive police force.....did you really think I didn't notice this? With all due respect, I pull myself from this convo.....in my America you don't get to shove such issues under the rug and I take that reality out into the world with me. I deserve the basic respect not to have the darkness of your America shoved under the rug, as do well over 300 million others carrying this citizenship. I do Thank You for your kind words though about my getting involved in what's been going down in the 85006. With that I exit this convo. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
11-20-16, 5:43pm
Rob, I could get elaborate, but that pretty much sucks. I live in a diverse neighborhood, albeit suburban middle class, and as far as I can tell there have have been no similar issues. I don't thing it is American on the whole, but have no doubt there are regions that have problems like this. Maybe they are more common closer to the border? I have little doubt that the Trump regime will embolden more of this. Hate crimes are among the darkest I can imagine. I would like to think that America is better than this and that there are just small enclaves that are to blame. Maybe I am wrong.Thank You for your post, Rogar. You have given me some hope with your words. I wish to be fair and state that I don't know that it's Trump's win that is causing elderly Hispanic women to be robbed and beaten while having Wetback Go Home yelled at them. But I'd also agree that Trump's win can only embolden others to participate in this kind of thing...... I worry about out of control cops, out of control border agents/officers, and most unfortunarely, citizens gone amok and searching for scapegoats under the Trump regime. I count myself very lucky to live in a majority Hispanic neighborhood with the respect of neighborhood far and wide.......I actually feel safer here than I would in a nicer and whiter area further north. And I can relate to and understand these people......there's so much to be said for that. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
11-20-16, 5:49pm
I'd contribute to a gofundme....When the human rights abuses mutioly and the world views us as an epic fail I'll be glad to call you on this, Bae. Thank You. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
11-20-16, 5:53pm
My awakening experience came about 5 years ago. I had been raised in a bit of a bubble, my parents did not let racism in our house however they were pretty quiet about it. I didn't realize it until I was much older and heard people talking about hearing racist jokes and comments by adults and then wondered why I had not heard these things, ever. However we never talked about it. I took for granted that good people accepted gay kids and different colors and religions. I stepped up one step by talking about it with my kids but it was still a problem of somewhere else. I went to a training over several days on addressing the reading gap in boys of color and listened to people who were actively working with these kids more than I was, including families of color, and had to admit I was just not aware of what was happening. I started to look other places, reading what educators and especially those of color were saying. I think being able to integrate new information is very important right now. I would love to be wrong and think things are better, my neighborhood so far has not had racist graffiti or attacks, however I need to listen to Rob and others who are seeing this first hand. And thank you for addressing this and working with police when I know that is hard for you.
In some ways I wish I had been more aware of what was happening. I see now that in many ways my personal loneliness living in suburban Michigan was also the separation of my family from a lot of people because we did not accept things as normal. I see the simple acts of my parents in reaching out when the first black family moved in, the first hispanic family, the first Indian family and know now they lost friendships every time. They didn't whine or complain, but they also did what was right.You gave me a really needed dose of hope and a refresher that thete is some good left in humanity. Thank You. Rob
It seems to me that the cause of your unease isn't the US--It's Arizona, a thoroughly nasty place to be a progressive, what with Governor Bonefinger and Sheriff Joe and all. Is there any hope of moving to, say, New Mexico? Or somewhere else less repressive? I know there are lots of Mexican-Americans living pretty much unmolested in California, but that housing market is prohibitive. Take your moms along, maybe. I know I couldn't live in a constant state of siege, and neither should anyone else.
iris lilies
11-20-16, 10:11pm
It seems to me that the cause of your unease isn't the US--It's Arizona, a thoroughly nasty place to be a progressive, what with Governor Bonefinger and Sheriff Joe and all. Is there any hope of moving to, say, New Mexico? Or somewhere else less repressive? I know there are lots of Mexican-Americans living pretty much unmolested in California, but that housing market is prohibitive. Take your moms along, maybe. I know I couldn't live in a constant state of siege, and neither should anyone else.
Yet, Arizona gave Rob Medicaid coverage when he needed it.
New Mexico is one of the poorest states in the union, I doubt any economic opportunity he enjoys in
Phoenix would transfer to NM. But that said, I would live in NM before I lived in Phoenix. I just like the laid back-ness of it, and I think Phoenix is a horrible carbuncle on the face of the earth sucking up natural resources like mad.
and its not just Arizona. Rob explains often that he learned at the age of 12, when he lived near Bernie's paradise (New Hampshire,) that America didnt deserve his Love and respect.
try to keep up. :laff:
ToomuchStuff
11-21-16, 1:10am
There really is no way to forgive America in this case. Innocent citizens being murdered in cold blood by sociopathic police officers who get away with it due to how this country is set up......this is completely beyond human forgiveness. I knew this by age 12......luckily I was exposed to America as it really is before any Kool Aid could take effect. Rob
No, just a different flavor of Koolaid took effect. Where you blame your mom, zip code, etc. as they are all part of what makes up America. (it isn't just people the same as you) Something to listen to at your future residence. On the way there, you might go here: N 31° 18.508 W 086° 28.941
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5yvKSJ5OW4
I do applaud you taking a more active role, instead of blaming, whining, feeling sorry for yourself about imaginary things. Maybe you will be brave enough to actually start talking to the police and facing those fears. You might be surprised why some of them became officers.
gimmethesimplelife
11-21-16, 12:19pm
No, just a different flavor of Koolaid took effect. Where you blame your mom, zip code, etc. as they are all part of what makes up America. (it isn't just people the same as you) Something to listen to at your future residence. On the way there, you might go here: N 31° 18.508 W 086° 28.941
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5yvKSJ5OW4
I do applaud you taking a more active role, instead of blaming, whining, feeling sorry for yourself about imaginary things. Maybe you will be brave enough to actually start talking to the police and facing those fears. You might be surprised why some of them became officers.excuse me? You really went too low here. Really really really too low. When did I ever blame my Mother for anything? Ouch. Completely unacceptable. Beyond that, I'm very proud to live in the 85006....I'd much much much rather live hete surrounded by Hispanics than live somewhere quote unquote nicer to the North and be surrounded by Anglos. Ick. That would be very souless and meaningless for me. Life is short. I'll remain grateful to live in the 85006 Thank You Very Much. Rob
JaneV2.0
11-21-16, 12:35pm
...
try to keep up. :laff:
I apologize for my remissitude.:cool:
Well if you're committed to staying in Arizona, I commend you for getting involved in your neighborhood and its well-being. I do wish you'd find a way to get out of the toxic funk you seem to find yourself in, as it can't be conducive to bringing positive change--or to your health, for that matter. What is that line about being the change you want to see in the world? And since that old gasbag Arpaio was defeated recently, maybe change is in the air. Good luck, Rob.
gimmethesimplelife
11-21-16, 12:42pm
I apologize for my remissitude.:cool:
Well if you're committed to staying in Arizona, I commend you for getting involved in your neighborhood and its well-being. I do wish you'd find a way to get out of the toxic funk you seem to find yourself in, as it can't be conducive to bringing positive change--or to your health, for that matter. What is that line about being the change you want to see in the world? And since that old gasbag Arpaio was defeated recently, maybe change is in the air. Good luck, Rob.Now that was indeed wonderful news!!! To see Arpaio lose by 12 points and to have a Democrat fill that office!!! Not only that but Prop 206 passed which raises minumum wage in Arizona to $10/hr on January 1st and then slowly over time raises minumum wage to $12/hr by 2020. This actually passed here! Plus there is also a required minumum sick pay/sick time off component. So there has been some good news in the 85006, too. Rob
I tried finding articles about a new trend of rich white people terrorizing poor neighborhoods, but all I found was some stuff about gentrification.
gimmethesimplelife
11-21-16, 1:02pm
This thread may be going all over the place but here's another valid reason I don't believe in this country, especially now with the Orange One about to take over. I have friends I used to work with at the Grand Canyon who are at the front lines at Standing Rock. For those that believe in America, your precious country's law enforcement sociopaths switched from rubber bullets to the real thing yesterday. I do not come equipped to forgive America for this. I have a good heart and I'm a decent person...this is beyond being forgiveable. But enough about me. What happens when the Trump Years force America as it really is up through the social classes and more people much better off than me arrive at similar conclusions? Oy vey, what nightmares have we unlocked going forward? Rob
Came back to add that the switch to real bullets by the sociopaths behind badges at Standing Rock was leveraged worldwide via social media so this story should not be too hard to find on youtube. I get constant updates with pics from my friends.....
gimmethesimplelife
11-21-16, 1:08pm
I tried finding articles about a new trend of rich white people terrorizing poor neighborhoods, but all I found was some stuff about gentrification.Do you honestly believe 1/10th of the injustice taking place in the 85006 or similar areas is actually reported? Oy Vey. Please PM me, I have some swampland near Yuma I'd be glad to cut you a good deal on. Btw, not only do lower income neighborhoods suffer this dearth of reporting, but notice the media blackout in regards to Standing Rock? Rob
gimmethesimplelife
11-21-16, 1:26pm
I apologize for my remissitude.:cool:
Well if you're committed to staying in Arizona, I commend you for getting involved in your neighborhood and its well-being. I do wish you'd find a way to get out of the toxic funk you seem to find yourself in, as it can't be conducive to bringing positive change--or to your health, for that matter. What is that line about being the change you want to see in the world? And since that old gasbag Arpaio was defeated recently, maybe change is in the air. Good luck, Rob.Jane, just wanted to say Thanks for always being decent. I may not thrive through the Orange One's years but damned if I'm not already getting mobilized and committed and involved, and the Orange One hasn't been sworn in yet even. It's a start, anyway. Rob
Do you honestly believe 1/10th of the injustice taking place in the 85006 or similar areas is actually reported? Oy Vey. Please PM me, I have some swampland near Yuma I'd be glad to cut you a good deal on. Btw, not only do lower income neighborhoods suffer this dearth of reporting, but notice the media blackout in regards to Standing Rock? Rob
It took about twenty seconds to find Standing Rock footage at CNN. That seems like a funny kind of blackout to me.
Your unsupported assertion notwithstanding, I would think anything as lurid as your roving gangs of rich white kids would get plenty of coverage, if only for the profitable eyeballs it would attract.
ApatheticNoMore
11-21-16, 1:46pm
I have friends I used to work with at the Grand Canyon who are at the front lines at Standing Rock. For those that believe in America, your precious country's law enforcement sociopaths switched from rubber bullets to the real thing yesterday. I do not come equipped to forgive America for this. I have a good heart and I'm a decent person...this is beyond being forgiveable. But enough about me. What happens when the Trump Years force America as it really is up through the social classes and more people much better off than me arrive at similar conclusions? Oy vey, what nightmares have we unlocked going forward?
uh you do know Trump hasn't even taken office yet right and has no official power yet. So this is ALL under Obama (well the Presidency is anyway). So your lesser evil, isn't much so, which became more and more obvious to anyone paying attention. Then the lesser evil people keep wondering why noone shows up to vote for them (which is kind of what really seemed to have happened with the election - Trump got less voters that Romney, that empty suit - just previous Dem voters didn't bother).
gimmethesimplelife
11-21-16, 1:47pm
It took about twenty seconds to find Standing Rock footage at CNN. That seems like a funny kind of blackout to me.
Your unsupported assertion notwithstanding, I would think anything as lurid as your roving gangs of rich white kids would get plenty of coverage, if only for the profitable eyeballs it would attract.I invite you to Google Native Americans protesting outside of CNN for coverage and learn of your country's media blackout as to Standing Rock. Pretty repulsive stuff but par for the course. Rob
Teacher Terry
11-21-16, 2:03pm
Rob: I have seen very little coverage on the national news about standing rock. They are trying to keep it off the radar. Similar to when Bernie was first speaking and they did not coverage him much at all.
gimmethesimplelife
11-21-16, 2:10pm
Rob: I have seen very little coverage on the national news about standing rock. They are trying to keep it off the radar. Similar to when Bernie was first speaking and they did not coverage him much at all.
Exactly. The only reason I know what I know about Standing Rock is due to my friends on the front lines leveraging social media. And I agree completely with you.....this did happen to Bernie. I've lost faith in the media overall going forward but I still love me a juicy editorial page on a December Sunday afternoon. Rob
ApatheticNoMore
11-21-16, 2:11pm
CNN is the worst. Lots of people like to believe Fox is, but I don't know, they are biased but they don't seem to do as much news suppression and pure propaganda that isn't obvious editorializing as CNN does. There are lots of ways to tilt news but CNN technique is pure suppression to a degree I've seldom seen. And with CNN it's war drums beating 24/7 to a degree it's hard to rival or believe. That's what I always say: CNN is the worst.
But standing rock isn't exactly the most suppressed story, I mean how many people have heard that the largest strike in the country that has been going on lately is of prison labor. Less covered than Standing Rock.
iris lilies
11-21-16, 2:12pm
Rob: I have seen very little coverage on the national news about standing rock. They are trying to keep it off the radar. Similar to when Bernie was first speaking and they did not coverage him much at all.
Why is Obama's henchmen, the mainstream media, doing that? Why doesnt Obama make this story a bigger deal?
Why cAnt the media remove themselves from the awesomely powerful magnetic pull of Donald Trump to report on other issues in this country?
Inquiring minds want to know, but I am mainly musing, no answers really expected.
ApatheticNoMore
11-21-16, 2:26pm
Why is Obama's henchmen, the mainstream media, doing that?
well they hardly directly work for Obama. Sure Clinton had a lot of people willing to do her work in the media (the Podesta emails). There is little doubt a few people probably just voted for Trump because nearly (not all) the entire establishment was so totally in Hillary's bag, on an enemy of my enemies principle: "if all these horrible people support her i'm voting for the other one!". But the media probably work for their corporate owners more than Obama. Who owns CNN? I had to look this up. Time Warner.
Why doesnt Obama make this story a bigger deal?
because he ultimately supports the pipeline companies. This shouldn't really surprise, after what went on with Deepwater etc. and lots of other policies. Obama isn't one to use his bully pulpit for much (say giving speeches about Standing Rock), that's not who he is in general, but he isn't actually on the side of the Standing Rock protestors either.
gimmethesimplelife
11-21-16, 2:32pm
Why is Obama's henchmen, the mainstream media, doing that? Why doesnt Obama make this story a bigger deal?
Why cAnt the media remove themselves from the awesomely powerful magnetic pull of Donald Trump to report on other issues in this country?
Inquiring minds want to know, but I am mainly musing, no answers really expected.Fair questions, IL. I only wish I had answers for you. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
11-21-16, 2:43pm
CNN is the worst. Lots of people like to believe Fox is, but I don't know, they are biased but they don't seem to do as much news suppression and pure propaganda that isn't obvious editorializing as CNN does. There are lots of ways to tilt news but CNN technique is pure suppression to a degree I've seldom seen. And with CNN it's war drums beating 24/7 to a degree it's hard to rival or believe. That's what I always say: CNN is the worst.
But standing rock isn't exactly the most suppressed story, I mean how many people have heard that the largest strike in the country that has been going on lately is of prison labor. Less covered than Standing Rock.APN, you are right. The prison labor story has really been kept under wraps.....the only reason I know anything about about it is due to the Hispanic media I have access to in the 85006, otherwise I'd be clueless as to this issue. Rob
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All I had to do was google "Standing Rock" to see all kinds media references. There's no conspiracy of silence here.
iris lilies
11-21-16, 3:04pm
All I had to do was google "Standing Rock" to see all kinds media references. There's no conspiracy of silence here.
I think what they may be referring to is that this story is not a constant headline news story. everyone want "their" pet story to be the headliner.
Mainstream media seems to be to be able to blast only one, or possibly two, headline stories every day.The daily headliners have been Trump news. . A distant second news story today is cop shootings.
The mainstream media blares one or two stories all day, I hear the same ones over and over on commerical and npr radio.
There certainly are many other stories out there, but you have to look at a comprehensive news sites to see them.
I think what they may be referring to is that this story is not a constant headline news story. everyone want "their" pet story to be the headliner.
Mainstream media seems to be to be able to blast only one, or possibly two, headline stories every day.The daily headliners have been Trump news. . A distant second news story today is cop shootings.
The mainstream media blares one or two stories all day, I hear the same ones over and over on commerical and npr radio.
There certainly are many other stories out there, but you have to look at a comprehensive news sites to see them.
I suppose you're right. To some, anything less than the world's full attention must feel like a blackout. I can remember being puzzled by the complaints of Bernie supporters about a "media blackout" when it seemed to me that I couldn't avoid the man.
Still, I have to believe that anything as Clockwork Orange wild as rampaging gangs of "snotty rich white kids" spreading mayhem and mucus through our nation's less fortunate zip codes would be getting some media attention.
Still, I have to believe that anything as Clockwork Orange wild as rampaging gangs of "snotty rich white kids" spreading mayhem and mucus through our nation's less fortunate zip codes would be getting some media attention.
On first glance, (and even on second glance of Google Earth of the zip code, and the crime stats for the area), it doesn't pass the smell test.
One wonders what Rob and his doughty band of zip-code-guardians will actually do when they encounter the invading barbarians, given that some of them are afraid to interact with law enforcement and seem to be convinced their well-charged cell phone and threats of life-altering lawsuits will carry the day...
Eagerly awaiting the Youtube footage. There should be lots, but I haven't found any yet.
APN, you are right. The prison labor story has really been kept under wraps.....the only reason I know anything about about it is due to the Hispanic media I have access to in the 85006, otherwise I'd be clueless as to this issue. Rob
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Once again, I've been hearing about this for a couple of months, including stories claiming it's not getting enough attention. I'm not sensing an effort to spike the story, just a lack of interest on the public's part.
frugal-one
11-21-16, 3:52pm
excuse me? You really went too low here. Really really really too low. When did I ever blame my Mother for anything? Ouch. Completely unacceptable. Beyond that, I'm very proud to live in the 85006....I'd much much much rather live hete surrounded by Hispanics than live somewhere quote unquote nicer to the North and be surrounded by Anglos. Ick. That would be very souless and meaningless for me. Life is short. I'll remain grateful to live in the 85006 Thank You Very Much. Rob
That is the very first time you have ever said you were grateful for anything.
Why is Obama's henchmen, the mainstream media, doing that? Why doesnt Obama make this story a bigger deal?
Henchpersons.
I'd much much much rather live hete surrounded by Hispanics than live somewhere quote unquote nicer to the North and be surrounded by Anglos. Ick. That would be very souless and meaningless for me.
That seems sort of racist...
I miss Al-Jazeera a lot. I could always count on balanced reporting and solid documentaries. And not much advertising.
Apparently, they didn't have a sugar daddy like Rupert Murdoch to keep paying the rent while they got off the ground--like Fox did.
ETA: I just went over to CNN, hoping to get an update on the tsunami situation in Japan. Nope. First words I hear "Donald Trump." I guess I'll try the CBC...
gimmethesimplelife
11-21-16, 5:57pm
That seems sort of racist...Bae, I will live however I please. So long as it is in within the confines of the law, it is no concern of yours. I refuse to give you drama to work with at this point and suggest you break free from the net and tour your PNW paradise while learning some tolerance for those whose lives don't much resemble yours. Deal sir? Rob
gimmethesimplelife
11-21-16, 6:05pm
That is the very first time you have ever said you were grateful for anything.Since when was it declared that one of your tasks in life was to monitor my stances on x,y, and z? If you wish to spend your life this way I am powerless to stop you, and given that I am a mod here I can't say what I believe you richly need to hear. So I'll leave it at this.......you have crossed the line with me Numerous times and yes, an apology would be in order. Beyond that, can't you find a more interesting subject of study to monitor? I have to believe that I am a dime a dozen and therefore very boring to monitor. And yes, I will accept an apology by PM....I have enough respect for your dignity not to require a messy public affair. Rob
I miss Al-Jazeera a lot. I could always count on balanced reporting and solid documentaries. And not much advertising.
Apparently, they didn't have a sugar daddy like Rupert Murdoch to keep paying the rent while they got off the ground--like Fox did.
ETA: I just went over to CNN, hoping to get an update on the tsunami situation in Japan. Nope. First words I hear "Donald Trump." I guess I'll try the CBC...
Al Gore really saw them coming, didn't he?
gimmethesimplelife
11-21-16, 6:17pm
I miss Al-Jazeera a lot. I could always count on balanced reporting and solid documentaries. And not much advertising.
Apparently, they didn't have a sugar daddy like Rupert Murdoch to keep paying the rent while they got off the ground--like Fox did.
ETA: I just went over to CNN, hoping to get an update on the tsunami situation in Japan. Nope. First words I hear "Donald Trump." I guess I'll try the CBC...I remember AL Jazeera from my time in Salzburg last year. I was so impressed with their objective reporting with no obvious American slant and just how well done their news pieces came across. I so wish I could have access to them here. Rob
Bae, I will live however I please. So long as it is in within the confines of the law, it is no concern of yours. I refuse to give you drama to work with at this point and suggest you break free from the net and tour your PNW paradise while learning some tolerance for those whose lives don't much resemble yours. Deal sir? Rob
You presume I lack tolerance. Methinks you are mistaken. I suggest you step down as moderator.
Al Gore really saw them coming, didn't he?
Maybe he made a bundle off the deal. He's never struck me as a particularly good businessman--or anything else for that matter--but you never know.
I remember AL Jazeera from my time in Salzburg last year. I was so impressed with their objective reporting with no obvious American slant and just how well done their news pieces came across. I so wish I could have access to them here. Rob
They still have an Al-Jazeera America website.
gimmethesimplelife
11-21-16, 6:24pm
You presume I lack tolerance. Methinks you are mistaken. I suggest you step down asl moderator.Your comment as to how I chose to live my life seeming racist.....
That was both insulting and way, way, way over the line. I suggest you learn when too far is too far. I've been here long enough to know that this is far from the the first time you have been called out on such behavior....as a matter of fact, I banned you for a week once a few years back due to this. Today I've had my fill. Rob
Maybe he made a bundle off the deal. He's never struck me as a particularly good businessman--or anything else for that matter--but you never know.
I think he walked away with about half a billion of Qatari oil money.
ETA: I just went over to CNN, hoping to get an update on the tsunami situation in Japan. Nope. First words I hear "Donald Trump." I guess I'll try the CBC...
The 20 meter and 17 meter amateur radio bands from the West Coast to Japan/NZ are pretty decent right now.
Teacher Terry
11-21-16, 6:38pm
Rob, you certainly don't need to step down as moderator. I think you have always done a good job. We don't have to agree with each other to listen to others opinions.
gimmethesimplelife
11-21-16, 6:43pm
Rob, you certainly don't need to step down as moderator. I think you have always done a good job. We don't have to agree with each other to listen to others opinions.Thank You, T.T. I am going to back off now from the two people I gave a reading to. I've made my points, I have nothing new to add. I Thank You for your words of support and hope this funky thread can continue to survive after this brief intermission for human drama. At any rate, Thank You. Rob
The 20 meter and 17 meter amateur radio bands from the West Coast to Japan/NZ are pretty decent right now.
It seems like there was little damage and not much chance of a destructive tsunami, either. Things are tough in the Ring of Fire these days, but they dodged a bullet.
katieb12
11-22-16, 12:09pm
I was too young to remember much about the early 60's but my sister was much older and talked about all the riots when she lived in Milwaukee, people getting killed, cops overreacting to the rioters, black panthers, curfews, etc. I never forgot the stories and how horrible it sounded.
Sounds uncomfortably familiar. And getting more so all the time. Water cannons anyone?
ToomuchStuff
11-22-16, 4:33pm
excuse me? You really went too low here. Really really really too low. When did I ever blame my Mother for anything? Ouch. Completely unacceptable. Beyond that, I'm very proud to live in the 85006....I'd much much much rather live hete surrounded by Hispanics than live somewhere quote unquote nicer to the North and be surrounded by Anglos. Ick. That would be very souless and meaningless for me. Life is short. I'll remain grateful to live in the 85006 Thank You Very Much. Rob
You seem selective in your reading or you are missing what I have written America is. On another forum, there are a few members who take offense to "United States" as well as "America", because Mexico, is a bunch of United Mexican States, and America is a continent. By the later example, your blaming everybody in two continents (North and South), which include your friends, neighbors, mothers, etc. By the country America, your calling it, your also blaming your friends, zip code, mother, fellow forum members and administrators, etc. America, is WE THE PEOPLE. It is a whole, made up of parts. Blame a part, if you mean a part, but when you blame the whole, you are also blaming yourself, and your family, etc.
That is the very first time you have ever said you were grateful for anything.
You missed the post announcing him getting married. He only reads as a more negative person, but there are rare positive posts.
Your comment as to how I chose to live my life seeming racist.....
That was both insulting and way, way, way over the line. I suggest you learn when too far is too far. I've been here long enough to know that this is far from the the first time you have been called out on such behavior....as a matter of fact, I banned you for a week once a few years back due to this. Today I've had my fill. Rob
When you can get non emotional, then maybe you should reread your statement, as it does come across as "racist" (which is just self fulfilling prejudice). I see no line crossed, as it called the behavior, and not the person.
You presume I lack tolerance. Methinks you are mistaken. I suggest you step down as moderator.
I just think when one is too invested, then one should be reasonable and subject themselves to another for moderation (moderator step down when they get emotional). I understand not being a topic moderator, when/if the need arises.
frugal-one
11-22-16, 9:40pm
Since when was it declared that one of your tasks in life was to monitor my stances on x,y, and z? If you wish to spend your life this way I am powerless to stop you, and given that I am a mod here I can't say what I believe you richly need to hear. So I'll leave it at this.......you have crossed the line with me Numerous times and yes, an apology would be in order. Beyond that, can't you find a more interesting subject of study to monitor? I have to believe that I am a dime a dozen and therefore very boring to monitor. And yes, I will accept an apology by PM....I have enough respect for your dignity not to require a messy public affair. Rob
no apology required... just stating a fact.
iris lilies
11-22-16, 10:49pm
That is the very first time you have ever said you were grateful for anything.
no apology required... just stating a fact.
Not really.
Using the Advanced Search feature, and entering "gimmethesimplelife" and the keyword "grateful" the hit list shows 56 posts where Rob uses the word "grateful " including examples below. Just sayin'
http://www.simplelivingforum.net/showthread.php?8405-It-passed&highlight=Grateful
I just read online that Medicaid expansion in Arizona passed! There to me, anyway, is something to be very grateful for. I can't even being to describe how grateful I am that fewer will be falling through the wide, gaping cracks.....Rob
http://www.simplelivingforum.net/showthread.php?504-Update-on-my-employment-news&highlight=Grateful
Well, it is now official! Count me in for another season serving drinks out on the veranda of the North Rim of the Grand Canyon. This morning someone new in HR called me for an address to send commitment paperwork off to. May 8th through October 15th I will be up in the Northlands once again, out of the summer heat in Phoenix and is a position to save money again! I am just grateful, so grateful to have this to fall back on, and that things worked out well for me there last year. Rob of the North Rim once more.
http://www.simplelivingforum.net/showthread.php?11162-For-once-I-m-liking-technology&highlight=Grateful
This is one of those what seems to me to be rare times when I find myself grateful for technology and tech is visibly making my life easier. I will say that I have not run into any craziness at Target all these years I've went to their Black Friday opening but this has been an eventful year and I just want to take it easy today. Not up to the crowds and the crazy energy. But I'm getting what I want nonetheless!
http://www.simplelivingforum.net/showthread.php?12011-So-grateful-for-today-s-Supreme-Court-Decision&highlight=Grateful
So grateful for today's Supreme Court decision...
frugal-one
11-23-16, 5:30am
[QUOTE=Toomuchstuff
He reads as a more negative person, but there are rare positive posts.[/QUOTE]
See above....... massive negativity gets hard to listen to ....
iris lilies
11-23-16, 11:51am
See above....... massive negativity gets hard to listen to ....
Oh I agree that constant denigration of this United States is tiresome, it is a one-note song.
I've known people IRL who go on and on about how the US is full of scum, etc, etc. These individuals repeatedly said they couldn't wait to leave. When asked why they hadn't already left, it eventually came out that the countries they tried (Mexico, Canada) wouldn't allow them in due to not having enough money, language skills, or work skills.
iris lily
11-23-16, 2:54pm
Yes, there are other racist, xenophobic immigration laws in other countires. What a concept. Border control elsewhere?
Lene dunham, is she gone yet?
IshbelRobertson
11-23-16, 6:18pm
We're still waiting for some of our 'stars' to leave, as promised after Brexit. I think Jamie Oliver was one of them!
iris lilies
11-27-16, 11:37pm
It's been
happening a lot the past five months so we've started these citizen patrols in the 85006. The perps to date have been snotty rich white kids from the suburbs who overwhelm, attack, beat, and rob older Hispanic women on their way home from doing their marketing. They also yell Wetback Go Home while doing this. The goal is to catch them in the act and ruin their lives via arrest record......a gift from the 85006 which will keep on giving for life. Trash like these punks need to rethink victimizing the 85006, we've had our fill of America already and have no patience for such sociopathic behavior imported from the suburbs. Rob
This afternoon here in my neighborhood, the 63104, a female senior citizen was mugged. Our "trash punks" ran off to the projects where they live, but alert neighbors who had been watching for them followed them to the projects, called cops, and 15 officers in 11 patrol cars swarmed the housing units and caught the kids. They were identified by the victim.
Juveniles dont have their lives ruined by arrests because their records dont follow them as adults. But I am looking foward to the St. louis Housing Authority having to follow their own regulations and kick out their families of these destructive juveniles. We will ge a court order of protection that calls for them to stay out of our neighborhood..
Trash like these punks
Rob,
I am quite surprised to hear you use this type of language. "Trash" to describe people is not language I'd thought you'd use, regardless of their actions.
ToomuchStuff
11-29-16, 2:16am
So is there some sort of rule change happening? Are we changing user names to zip codes?:confused:>8)
Oh I agree that constant denigration of this United States is tiresome, it is a one-note song.
My thoughts exactly.
gimmethesimplelife
7-8-17, 9:03pm
Yet, Arizona gave Rob Medicaid coverage when he needed it.
New Mexico is one of the poorest states in the union, I doubt any economic opportunity he enjoys in
Phoenix would transfer to NM. But that said, I would live in NM before I lived in Phoenix. I just like the laid back-ness of it, and I think Phoenix is a horrible carbuncle on the face of the earth sucking up natural resources like mad.
and its not just Arizona. Rob explains often that he learned at the age of 12, when he lived near Bernie's paradise (New Hampshire,) that America didnt deserve his Love and respect.
try to keep up. :laff:I left New Hampshire in 1977 at the age of 10. It's been 40 years as of May 9th, 1977, that I lived in New Hampshire, just to clarify. Rob
I left New Hampshire in 1977 at the age of 10. It's been 40 years as of May 9th, 1977, that I lived in New Hampshire, just to clarify. Rob
8 month-old zombie thread resurrection, good show!
iris lilies
7-8-17, 11:43pm
I left New Hampshire in 1977 at the age of 10. It's been 40 years as of May 9th, 1977, that I lived in New Hampshire, just to clarify. Rob
Well then, ok!
But seriously, why does this apparent two year difference in your age of enlightenment actually make any difference? No one but you cares.
Well then, ok!
But seriously, why does this apparent two year difference in your age of enlightenment actually make any difference? No one but you cares.
Generally people who are enlightened by the time they are 8 years old have been approached by the High Lamas of the Gelgupa tradition from Lhamo La-Tso. Lhamo Thondup, is that you there hiding out in the 85006?
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