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Zoe Girl
11-21-16, 10:38am
One of our schools was vandalized this weekend with swastikas all over the playground. The community immediately came out to clean it up and post positive messages. The principal said after break they will use it as a teaching moment to show that this is not okay. Meanwhile it is hard to clean up I am sure and the kids are going there this morning for camp. I know the camp supervisor there, how hard that must be.
I think whoever did this may be surprised to know that hate speech and hate crime and vandalism laws are still in effect. When Trump is sworn in he promises to uphold the laws as they stand, and the laws still are in effect. Our district has been pro-active in assuring parents they can still register their kids for school as they have in the past, following the immigration protocols that have been in place and have not been legally changed.
iris lilies
11-21-16, 1:09pm
St Louis cop was shot in face, two times, yesterday. This was a deliberate, purposeful, cop shooting when a perp pulled up next to police car and the officer thought he was going to ask directoons, but no, he pulled out a gun and shot.
Fortunately, perp was chased, identified, caught, and shot dead in a shootout. One less thug to support in prison.
I think whoever did this may be surprised to know that hate speech ... laws are still in effect.
What "hate speech laws" in the US are you thinking of?
I stand corrected on the hate speech, I thought there were laws if certain speech was used to incite violence but I don't think there is after some looking around.
I stand corrected on the hate speech, I thought there were laws if certain speech was used to incite violence but I don't think there is after some looking around.
The Supreme Court has established a standard for speech which is *not* protected. It has to be more than hateful.
"The constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a state to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force, or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." - Brandenburg v. Ohio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio
freshstart
11-21-16, 5:33pm
in our schools Muslim students are being told to go home and called all sorts of derogatory names, and a black teen found a drawing of a lynching in her locker. The principal has remained mum so I addressed a letter to the superintendent, no response. Not cool at all. What is wrong with people? It sure feels like the election gave some the feeling that they could say or act on their true racial thoughts without being redressed.
iris lilies
11-21-16, 5:35pm
in our schools Muslim students are being told to go home and called all sorts of derogatory names, and a black teen found a drawing of a lynching in her locker. The principal has remained mum so I addressed a letter to the superintendent, no response. Not cool at all. What is wrong with people? It sure feels like the election gave some the feeling that they could say or act on their true racial thoughts without being redressed.
Do you think the Black Lives Matter movement gave some the feeling that they could act on their true racist thoughts and shoot white cops?
freshstart
11-21-16, 5:39pm
that hasn't been the case around here, Black Lives Matter was barely a blip on the radar in this overwhelmingly white town
Do you think the Black Lives Matter movement gave some the feeling that they could act on their true racist thoughts and shoot white cops?
Maybe, but not until years of incidents of police brutality against people of color primed the pump. I'm not sure why police departments seem unable to root out the sociopaths in their midst--maybe the psych tests are easily fooled. Or maybe police departments just ignore them, as they did in one high-profile case in this area.
Maybe, but not until years of incidents of police brutality against people of color primed the pump. I'm not sure why police departments seem unable to root out the sociopaths in their midst--maybe the psych tests are easily fooled. Or maybe police departments just ignore them, as they did in one high-profile case in this area.
Jane - after many years experience working with police officers, I have a horrid conclusion: the job turns many good people bad, over time. I think we need to re-examine the career paths of law enforcement folks to prevent the burn-out and tribalism that develop from constant exposure to stress and the human brain's pattern-matching/stress response wiring.
That is, even if the intake/training tests were perfect, our current system still guarantees bad outcomes.
Teacher Terry
11-21-16, 6:31pm
I hate violence on any side. I hate when innocent cops are killed and when civilians are abused by cops. Both make me sick. Someone in my family is thinking about becoming a cop and I hope he doesn't because of the fear that someone will kill him for no reason. Jane, I think you are right that cops have been allowed to abuse people and now those chickens are coming home to roost but probably not for the people that really deserve it.
Teacher Terry
11-21-16, 6:32pm
Bae, I totally agree. The things they see everyday are horrible. It is the same reason that many social workers quit after about 4 years on the job. Maybe a combo of police work and then desk work.
yes, the organization I do side work for is bringing mindfulness training into high stress, first responder jobs. They are still getting contracts, I work for them teaching homeless youth. I really respect that they are developing work on many sides of issues.
I hate violence on any side. I hate when innocent cops are killed and when civilians are abused by cops. Both make me sick. Someone in my family is thinking about becoming a cop and I hope he doesn't because of the fear that someone will kill him for no reason. Jane, I think you are right that cops have been allowed to abuse people and now those chickens are coming home to roost but probably not for the people that really deserve it.
That's the shame of it. The perpetrators always get off easy, and then some (likely) innocent public employee gets executed in their stead.
sweetana3
11-21-16, 8:58pm
It happens in many careers. Talk to a bunch of Revenue Officers for the IRS and you would wonder if they knew anyone that paid their taxes on time. I got stressed over the job and finally realized that constantly dealing with problem people causes a mental shift. I started to think that everyone had big issues and would not or could not pay their taxes properly. Had to get a different job where the population of issues was wider.
Jane - after many years experience working with police officers, I have a horrid conclusion: the job turns many good people bad, over time. I think we need to re-examine the career paths of law enforcement folks to prevent the burn-out and tribalism that develop from constant exposure to stress and the human brain's pattern-matching/stress response wiring.
That is, even if the intake/training tests were perfect, our current system still guarantees bad outcomes.
I had thought of that.. Police work seems to consist of a lot of drug and mental health interventions, a great deal of tail chasing, and only a little criminal apprehension (my observation from scanner monitoring). I bet you would get pretty sick of people's demands on you after awhile. Add that to the usual frustrations of adult life, and I can see where particularly the less tightly wrapped among us could come undone. And of course, who wants to admit they can't handle the stress.
iris lilies
11-21-16, 9:52pm
That is why having regular, human interactions with police officers is important. If they interact with you (the generic you) only in times of high stress, that creates and cements their role as Giant Oversize Big Bad or Big Good man.
Just yesterday I emailed our neighborhood cop to let him know a problem on my street had become better. I want him to see small victories.
ToomuchStuff
11-22-16, 4:43pm
When police, fire, and ems personal deal with people, in a lot of cases they are having a bad day, or the worst day of their lives. That does take a toll on one.
And yes, there will always be those who are looking for an excuse to do wrong, as well as those who wish to push an envelope. (like dressing as a clown this Halloween, with all the scare)
I dealt with such a group here, once, as neither boss wanted to deal with them, and we didn't need the hassle of refusing service, since they just left protesting a relatives funeral of both bosses. (the group didn't know that, we were the half way point)
The group, is the Westboro Baptist Church, and they protested the nieces fiances funeral, as he didn't come back from the war.
Teacher Terry
11-22-16, 7:34pm
I hate that church with a passion. Really it is just comprised of a large family. I lived in KS for awhile and saw them protest a military funeral saying it was God's will for allowing homosexuals. Because they are a family of lawyers they know just how to stay within the confines of the law.
I hate that church with a passion. Really it is just comprised of a large family. I lived in KS for awhile and saw them protest a military funeral saying it was God's will for allowing homosexuals. Because they are a family of lawyers they know just how to stay within the confines of the law.
It's not really a church, it's a lawsuit factory disguised as a church.
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