View Full Version : So is Hillary Truly Done?
gimmethesimplelife
11-23-16, 1:48pm
I'm going to pose this question and then run in case it gets dicey.....however, I ask this honestly with so snark. Point 1: Supposedly Hillary has well over 1.5 million more popular votes than Trump. Point 2: When I woke up this morning I read online some statisticians were recommending Hillary request a recount of three former upper Midwest firewall states. Point 3: Apparently they are 4 million signatures and growing of a petition to have the electoral voters all vote for Hillary instead in December. Interestingly enough, nothing from Hillary in regards to these developments. And now I run off to my yard where it's safe. Rob
Apparently they are 4 million signatures and growing of a petition to have the electoral voters all vote for Hillary instead in December. Interestingly enough, nothing from Hillary in regards to these developments. And now I run off to my yard where it's safe. Rob
It seems there's at least 4 million people out there who don't understand how the electoral college works.
It seems there's at least 4 million people out there who don't understand how the electoral college works.
I particularly enjoyed seeing the doxing of the electors and the resultant threats made to them.
The only credible one of the three in my opinion appears to be the recount of electoral votes, and I don't think much will become of it. I did have to look it up and there maybe something to it, but they are tight lipped about details. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/activists-urge-hillary-clinton-to-challenge-election-results.html
I suspect Hillary is tired of the whole mess and just wants to move on with things.
It seems there's at least 4 million people out there who don't understand how the electoral college works.
Four million and one.
I suspect you could get four million signatures on a web petition to invade Jupiter.
Four million and one.
I suspect you could get four million signatures on a web petition to invade Jupiter.
Well, given that about half the adult population believes in astrology....
iris lily
11-23-16, 2:25pm
Goody, here is the perfect place to share my favorite meme of the Presidential election. While I dont share the sentiment, I think it is funny:
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I do in general feel like the electoral college is no longer the best way to hold elections, however I would rather it was changed without the current conflicts. I have not heard any support from Hillary to contest the election or saying fraud. We all need to move on with the new reality.
Teacher Terry
11-23-16, 7:04pm
YOu would need a lot of faithless electors and in some states it is not even allowed. I don't think it has as a snowballs chance to happen.
Maybe she should retire and learn to bake cookies.
Sorry, I could not resist, since I lived through Hillary I.
Teacher Terry
11-23-16, 7:09pm
At 70 she may just want to travel now and enjoy her grand kids since the dream is dead.
It will be interesting to see how the Clinton Foundation does from this point forward. I'm thinking contributions will drop dramatically.
It seems there's at least 4 million people out there who don't understand how the electoral college works.
It seems at least some states only impose a token fine for an elector bailing on the popular vote - and others have no penalty at all.
I've always thought the electoral college was installed more as a breaker to prevent the oligarch being overthrown by popular vote. I expect Trump won't cross that line for enough electors to make a difference - and if we had a breakdown like that I'm not sure how many electors would defect to Trump.
http://archive.fairvote.org/?page=967
Even if they chose not to pick Trump, it's doubtful that Republican electors would chose Hillary .
better get use to saying President Trump.
I've always thought the electoral college was installed more as a breaker to prevent the oligarch being overthrown by popular vote. I expect Trump won't cross that line for enough electors to make a difference - and if we had a breakdown like that I'm not sure how many electors would defect to Trump.
I think if Trump does not become President due to the Electoral College deciding he's "a bad person" that that will be the end of the USA as we know it, and that it will look pretty unpleasant for a few years.
frugal-one
11-23-16, 8:02pm
I think if Trump does not become President due to the Electoral College deciding he's "a bad person" that that will be the end of the USA as we know it, and that it will look pretty unpleasant for a few years.
Think it will be unpleasant anyways after seeing the white supremacists hailing Trump!
It will be interesting to see how the Clinton Foundation does from this point forward. I'm thinking contributions will drop dramatically.
As will her speaking fees. But I'm sure they can now start receiving a salary from the Foundation.
Think it will be unpleasant anyways after seeing the white supremacists hailing Trump!
Obama had his racist fans also.
Think it will be unpleasant anyways after seeing the white supremacists hailing Trump!
The media is really hyping up the Nazi angle, to the point of normalizing their behaviour.
However, the SPLC and the JDL both indicate there are only a few thousand Nazis in the US, and they are a pathetic, fading fringe group, much like the KKK.
Well, they *were*, until they got all this free press the past couple of weeks and got treated like a serious problem by people trying to sell you something...
gimmethesimplelife
11-23-16, 8:58pm
I just got home from buying ingredients for my Moroccan stew. I left the 85006 to do so - I thought it would be good to get out of the neighborhood to take a few deep breaths. Just came home only to read online that Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania will be recounted. No words from Hillary Clinton, this is all under the steam of Dr. Jill Stein. I'm hoping this doesn't turn into a repeat of 2000, irregardless of how much I want Hillary in office over the Orange One. Gotta say one thing......since conceding the election, Hillary has displayed a great deal of class. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
11-23-16, 9:14pm
The only credible one of the three in my opinion appears to be the recount of electoral votes, and I don't think much will become of it. I did have to look it up and there maybe something to it, but they are tight lipped about details. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/activists-urge-hillary-clinton-to-challenge-election-results.html
I suspect Hillary is tired of the whole mess and just wants to move on with things.Rogar, I suspect you are right about Hillary. I'm thinking this cut her deep and she is in a financial position to put her healing first. I hope to see her as a public figure again once some time passes. Rob
Miss Cellane
11-24-16, 11:43am
My feeling is that if the electoral college were persuaded to change their votes to Clinton, she would not accept the results.
I can't see her wanting to take office that way.
frugal-one
11-24-16, 2:38pm
My feeling is that if the electoral college were persuaded to change their votes to Clinton, she would not accept the results.
I can't see her wanting to take office that way.
Supposedly, there is "evidence" of hacking.........
Miss Cellane
11-24-16, 4:07pm
Supposedly, there is "evidence" of hacking.........
I was referring to the movement to persuade members of the Electoral Collage to change their votes from what the popular vote in their state was, to what they want to vote. I have no facts for this, but I doubt Clinton would accept the presidency if that were to occur.
However, if there was vote tampering, and that affected the outcome in her favor, then I could certainly see her accepting the office.
what a mess! The outrage and protests if the election results were overturned at this point, would make the anti-Trump protests look like a picnic in the park. And the amount of co-operation Clinton would get from the House and Senate would make the Obama years look like a love-in at that picnic.
This is getting interesting -
Trump is calling the recounts a scam, but Trump also says there were millions of illegal votes cast - sounds like a reason for a recount to me.
He also says if we didn't have the electoral college, he would have won the popular vote - but he clearly didn't. At least not without invoking a recount.
It sounds like a defensive move to me. If the recount actually uncovers something, he can say the whole election was rigged. Which he said several times before winning.
Looks like the Wisconsin recount is done. I'm hearing that Trump picked up 162 net votes of the three million or so cast.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-latest-walker-says-wisconsin-recount-proves-legitimacy/2016/12/12/402c1222-c098-11e6-a52b-a0a126eaf9f7_story.html?utm_term=.405f60e0a8db
Seems like a waste of $3.5 million to me. I guess now we can move on to arguing about how the Russians influenced the election.
frugal-one
12-12-16, 8:22pm
Looks like the Wisconsin recount is done. I'm hearing that Trump picked up 162 net votes of the three million or so cast.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-latest-walker-says-wisconsin-recount-proves-legitimacy/2016/12/12/402c1222-c098-11e6-a52b-a0a126eaf9f7_story.html?utm_term=.405f60e0a8db
Seems like a waste of $3.5 million to me. I guess now we can move on to arguing about how the Russians influenced the election.
Wouldn't surprise me. Trump wants to build another Trump tower there.
Wouldn't surprise me. Trump wants to build another Trump tower there.
Just the latest in a series of excuses. One serial prevaricator narrowly defeats another with a strategy that overcomes the superior funding, media connections and organization of the other. Why? A vast reservoir of racism not seen in the previous two elections? "Internalized misogyny" in white women voters? The high-minded refusal of the loser to engage in hardball politics? Uneducated masses refusing to vote "their interests" as dictated to them by the elites? The "alt-right"? The Brothers Koch? The FBI? Evil Fox News watching clowns? Insufficient NPR funding?
Now its Russian hackers hacking high level Democratic Party hacks, revealing their private conversations about sandbagging the Sandernistas, obtaining debate questions in advance, sneering at Catholics, etc. When Mitt Romney gets secretly recorded, it's journalism. When Democrats get caught saying and doing dumb things, it's an outrage.
If they want to prosper in the future, at some point, they will need to admit that "the most qualified candidate in history" was simply outplayed.
ToomuchStuff
12-13-16, 11:54am
Looks like the Wisconsin recount is done. I'm hearing that Trump picked up 162 net votes of the three million or so cast.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-latest-walker-says-wisconsin-recount-proves-legitimacy/2016/12/12/402c1222-c098-11e6-a52b-a0a126eaf9f7_story.html?utm_term=.405f60e0a8db
Seems like a waste of $3.5 million to me. I guess now we can move on to arguing about how the Russians influenced the election.
Link is behind an advertising wall (want your email address).
A friend, unfortunately subscribed us to the New York Post (floods the mailbox, more paper to dispose of) and I saw this cartoon in it the other day.http://www.simplelivingforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=1668&stc=1
frugal-one
12-14-16, 5:18pm
Just the latest in a series of excuses. One serial prevaricator narrowly defeats another with a strategy that overcomes the superior funding, media connections and organization of the other. Why? A vast reservoir of racism not seen in the previous two elections? "Internalized misogyny" in white women voters? The high-minded refusal of the loser to engage in hardball politics? Uneducated masses refusing to vote "their interests" as dictated to them by the elites? The "alt-right"? The Brothers Koch? The FBI? Evil Fox News watching clowns? Insufficient NPR funding?
Now its Russian hackers hacking high level Democratic Party hacks, revealing their private conversations about sandbagging the Sandernistas, obtaining debate questions in advance, sneering at Catholics, etc. When Mitt Romney gets secretly recorded, it's journalism. When Democrats get caught saying and doing dumb things, it's an outrage.
If they want to prosper in the future, at some point, they will need to admit that "the most qualified candidate in history" was simply outplayed.
What is it called when Trump is repeatedly caught saying and doing dumb things? "He is a moron."
What is it called when Trump is repeatedly caught saying and doing dumb things? "He is a moron."
That seems fairly clear. But being defeated by “a moron” should give a thinking person pause for reflection. It seems that the Democrats are doubling down on a losing strategy and increasingly oddball excuses.
The politics of contempt seem fairly impotent when the opposition refuses to accept your moral authority to bestow stigma. If the vision of identity politics is to simply sit back and expect people to show up at the polls and vote their skin color, that hasn’t worked all that well in 2016. There are fewer Democrats in office now than at any time since the 1920s. If this keeps up in the same vein, the world’s (arguably) oldest political party will be left with nothing but the State of California, the cast of Hamilton and Oberlin College.
frugal-one
12-14-16, 9:16pm
That seems fairly clear. But being defeated by “a moron” should give a thinking person pause for reflection. It seems that the Democrats are doubling down on a losing strategy and increasingly oddball excuses.
The politics of contempt seem fairly impotent when the opposition refuses to accept your moral authority to bestow stigma. If the vision of identity politics is to simply sit back and expect people to show up at the polls and vote their skin color, that hasn’t worked all that well in 2016. There are fewer Democrats in office now than at any time since the 1920s. If this keeps up in the same vein, the world’s (arguably) oldest political party will be left with nothing but the State of California, the cast of Hamilton and Oberlin College.
Bunch of gobbledygook ... What does this even mean? "The politics of contempt seem fairly impotent when the opposition refuses to accept your moral authority to bestow stigma."
Bunch of gobbledygook ... What does this even mean? "The politics of contempt seem fairly impotent when the opposition refuses to accept your moral authority to bestow stigma."
That's an easy one. Liberals were the best thing to happen to Republicans over these past 8 years. The more Democrats use the tools at their disposal (media, entertainment, academia, etc.,) to stigmatize their perceived opposition, the more control Republicans gain in all levels of government.
In the immortal words of Captain Woodrow Call after putting a bully in his place, "I hate rude behavior in a man, I won't tolerate it."
catherine
12-14-16, 11:13pm
Bunch of gobbledygook ... What does this even mean? "The politics of contempt seem fairly impotent when the opposition refuses to accept your moral authority to bestow stigma."
Haha! let me translate:
Liberals think everyone who's not liberal is an idiot
That approach ain't working
Because the GOP says F.U. to your high falutin' B.S.
(LDAHL and I both speak Catholic school English)
Haha! let me translate:
Liberals think everyone who's not liberal is an idiot
That approach ain't working
Because the GOP says F.U. to your high falutin' B.S.
(LDAHL and I both speak Catholic school English)
Quod erat demonstrandum.
Teacher Terry
12-16-16, 4:04pm
I say let him take office and he will either be impeached or quit. I don't think we will be stuck with him for long but Pence is even scarier. Also I will find it enjoyable to see what happens under this administration who people foolishly thought things would be better for them by voting for Trump. When people complain it will be nice to say you got what you wanted. Of course by then everyone will be denying they voted for him. Luckily I don't know one person that did. Even my REpub DH could not do it.
Sadly I know many people who voted for him....We don't talk about it. I asked in one group if they would avoid politics for the one hour a week we are together at the church food pantry! Should I have had to ask? My friend , on the other hand, is polite and tries to only talk about what we enjoy. No need to tell me the latest Fox insight. I kept quiet for the last 8 years as well. It's not too hard if you have more in common than politics.
I supported Rubio, would have happily settled for Cruz or Bush, and ultimately voted for Gary (What's Aleppo) Johnson.
That being said, I know and like people who voted for Trump, Clinton and Sanders. It would never have occurred to me that having such a narrow range of acquaintances that I didn't know a single Trump voter would be something to boast about. Nor have I encountered any of the ugly confrontations people keep claiming to see.
Trump strikes me as obnoxious and not terribly bright, but I have trouble viewing him as an existential threat to our democracy. Maybe that's why I have trouble working up a respectable lather of hatred and contempt for the people who voted for him.
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