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is Trump serious with his tweets? Or is he just using them to distract from other issues?
Trump is a mental case. He won't make sense. He's a narcissist stuck in some very early developmental stage. I think he has to respond immediately to everything he hears, and he wants the world to hear what he thinks.
I feel very sick inside.
Teacher Terry
12-6-16, 1:02pm
I think Cathy summed it up correctly.
I'll be interested to see whether the Secret Service allows him to continue tweeting.
James Warren said today in a newsletter I get from the Poynter Institute, "If you can’t take the heat, sit down and tweet. It's weak and sad. But it’s also the new reality."
iris lilies
12-6-16, 1:28pm
Trump is going directly to those who put him in office, using the tweet standard of 40 characters or whatever it is. He doesnt have to hold press conferences via mainstream media to communicate. He is a P.T. Barnham type of politician and he knows how to get out there.
Nothing I have said here negates anything above, nor do I indend it to.
I doubt most of his base is on Twitter, but I'm willing to be convinced.
I'm trying to view this whole thing as tragicomic theater, and I'm wishing robust good health for the Supremes.
I have suspected that the length of his tweets matches the length of his attention span.
Quite frankly I don't know why anyone tweets - just don't understand it - or feel a need. I hope he is successful in office - for all of us - but man he has to stop the tweeting. He will soon learn (I hope) he can't be a knee jerk president.
Perhaps it's all an act?
His cabinet selections, too? We can only hope he'll take off his mask and shout "Just kidding!"
Don't beat me with a wet noodle... today I set up a Twitter account for only one reason him. I had to see for myself what he was actually doing. Shameful I think, but I would rather know first hand than try to pick it apart in the media later. I will not post or follow anyone else and I will lose interest soon I am sure and delete it.
Sally Field did exactly the same thing: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/2/sally-field-joins-twitter-to-make-sense-of-trump-w/
I am puzzled by him and those who voted for him. When I ask for answers they are so defensive they were asked. My 83 yr old aunt unfriended me along with one of my cousins.
I am puzzled by him and those who voted for him. When I ask for answers they are so defensive they were asked. My 83 yr old aunt unfriended me along with one of my cousins.
iris lilies
12-6-16, 9:17pm
I am puzzled by him and those who voted for him. When I ask for answers they are so defensive they were asked. My 83 yr old aunt unfriended me along with one of my cousins.
I suspect no one believes you are sincere in asking for "answers."
Why do you need your relatives to r spond when are thousands of sources on the web telling the story of Trump supporters?
I suspect no one believes you are sincere in asking for "answers."
I'm sure that's the case, it often seems to be a demand for justification as if saying "I know you did a terrible thing, now justify your actions". They may see unfriending their accuser as the best course of action.
iris lilies
12-6-16, 10:51pm
Does no one have any love for Trump's tweet today taking Boeing to task for billions chargd to the taxpayer for two new Air Force One jets?
I have to say, I kinda liked it.
I am puzzled by him and those who voted for him. When I ask for answers they are so defensive they were asked. My 83 yr old aunt unfriended me along with one of my cousins.
Perhaps they are tired of being called deplorable climate-change-denying misogynistic racists.
I think the truth is that he probably loves those $3 billion planes, but he loves being oppositional about everything even more.
I have stayed out of all most all political election talk, but it is what it is now. My friend told me she is going to the Women's March in DC (if it is still happening) Then shook her head at why/how didi this happen. We both agreed Impeachment will happen, but when and how much damage before. Who knows maybe it will all be ok? IDK anymore.
I am puzzled by him and those who voted for him. When I ask for answers they are so defensive they were asked.
I have a fair number of friends and acquaintances that voted for him. The ones I've talked with voted against Hillary and against a continuation of the Obama policy rather than for Trump. He is not especially popular even among them. Some agree with certain of his his policies, but I've not talked with anyone who claims to actually like him or his leadership.
iris lilies
12-7-16, 9:29am
I have a fair number of friends and acquaintances that voted for him. The ones I've talked with voted against Hillary and against a continuation of the Obama policy rather than for Trump. He is not especially popular even among them. Some agree with certain of his his policies, but I've not talked with anyone who claims to actually like him or his leadership.
You have not talked with anyone who actually likes his leadership. Teacher Terry doesnt know anyone who voted for him.
In my electric blue city I know 5 Trumpsters just off the top of my head and at least three of them will articulate why he could be good for the country.
ya'll live in a bubble.Hope that lack of diversity works for you.
Faithless electors. Secession talk. Hundreds of unredeemed promises to leave the country. Impeachment fantasies. Assassination porn.
Trumprage takes many forms. Many of them futile and silly. The reality of the situation is that the best hope of thwarting the man now rests with the Republican Congress. Following Trump tweets and clucking your tongue accomplishes nothing. Late night TV pundit-clowns ranting accomplishes nothing.
You have not talked with anyone who actually likes his leadership. Teacher Terry doesnt know anyone who voted for him.
In my electric blue city I know 5 Trumpsters just off the top of my head and at least three of them will articulate why he could be good for the country.
ya'll live in a bubble.Hope that lack of diversity works for you.
I know I've mentioned this here before but I'll never forget being on a train from London to Bath a few weeks after the 2004 Presidential election, listening to another American tourist a few rows behind regaling the local passengers with her view of the election. She went on and on about how she just couldn't understand how Bush was re-elected when she didn't know a soul who voted for him. After about the 3rd time, my wife turned around and said, "Now you do. I voted for him, and so did he (pointing at me)". The locals around her all snickered and laughed and her face turned red. I guess that's what happens when your bubble bursts in public.
his votes outnumbered Hillary 2 to 1 in my county. Big reason among hubby's co-workers are gun rights. Don't trust Hillary, don't like Hillary. Yes, they really want "the wall."
Hmmm.....I don't know if it's accurate to say someone is living in a bubble, if they are living in an area that is different from another area. In fact, it seems like a put-down to me. I understand why most (maybe) voted for trump because they want change. Asking someone why they voted for Trump isn't stupid.......some of us just might want to understand their reasoning....and maybe have a discussion. Not to point out their ignorance. (although that may happen).
I'm trying to understand this "bubble" accusation. So living somewhere where you're not engulfed in people who believe different from you, is living in a bubble? I don't think so.
I'm having trouble articulating my feelings. I just think it's sort of rude to imply people live in bubbles if they don't agree with you.
Hmmm.....I don't know if it's accurate to say someone is living in a bubble, if they are living in an area that is different from another area. In fact, it seems like a put-down to me. I understand why most (maybe) voted for trump because they want change. Asking someone why they voted for Trump isn't stupid.......some of us just might want to understand their reasoning....and maybe have a discussion. Not to point out their ignorance. (although that may happen).
I'm trying to understand this "bubble" accusation. So living somewhere where you're not engulfed in people who believe different from you, is living in a bubble? I don't think so.
I'm having trouble articulating my feelings. I just think it's sort of rude to imply people live in bubbles if they don't agree with you.
It's not because they disagree with you, it's because they don't know anyone or can't imagine anyone who might disagree with them. The ones who say "I don't know anyone who....."
In my example, it was even more than that. This woman was so certain of her thoughts on the election that she couldn't imagine anyone thinking otherwise and felt perfectly safe ensuring that everyone within earshot knew she was on the right side. When my wife spoke up and the other passengers showed amusement, you could almost see an actual bubble bursting around her. It was funny.
Rather than a bubble, I call it a 360 degree mirror. If one cannot step outside his/her mirror, that is all that one can see. It is ignorance ( lack of understanding) in both directions. Happens all the time, not just in political situations.
How to come to some meeting of minds is more the question not: "why did you do what you did?" I have occasionally been asking people who think differently or choose differently, "help me to see the situation your way"; ie., I would like to try to walk in your shoes as you are a smart, capable and intelligent.
Most times, I just accept that others have their own unique wonderful way of seeing things and value the diversity and let it go as the situation "is what it is" and talking about it doesn't change a thing.
I think this time, in history, it's much more frightening to think of this man as our leader. I consider him as mentally ill; having a personality disorder. When people vote for someone like that, it can be extremely frightening and hard to understand. He could do lots of damage everywhere. To me, it's different than if you voted for Bush, or anyone else. I live in the middle of an area where probably tons of people voted for Trump. I don't necessarily spend time talking with them, because other of our basic values are really different. Why not avoid people who are extremely different than you? I don't harm them in any way. I just avoid them.
I think this goes into our instincts of seeking out "like" peoples. Yes, it's fine to try to find things in common we have, but there can be some huge basic differences. It doesn't mean I'm living in a bubble if I choose not to be around certain people.
But like I said, this time with Trump.......it's totally different than it's ever been before. It's just very unfortunate that there wasn't a middle-ground choice. Then again, there's lots of people out there who don't want middle ground.
Rather than a bubble, I call it a 360 degree mirror. If one cannot step outside his/her mirror, that is all that one can see. It is ignorance ( lack of understanding) in both directions. Happens all the time, not just in political situations.
How to come to some meeting of minds is more the question not: "why did you do what you did?" I have occasionally been asking people who think differently or choose differently, "help me to see the situation your way"; ie., I would like to try to walk in your shoes as you are a smart, capable and intelligent.
Most times, I just accept that others have their own unique wonderful way of seeing things and value the diversity and let it go as the situation "is what it is" and talking about it doesn't change a thing.
I really like this "help me see it your way." I imagine that gets much better results. Personally, I have given up talking politics these days because I am seeing way too much damage being done, but that's just me, I can't handle it.
A lot of the huge differences I have are with people who look just like me. The vast, vast majority of Trump voters, for example. In fact Trump himself brags about his German heritage (forgetting the Scots half, apparently). He has similar ancestry to mine, except mine is more German. So there, Gropenfuhrer.
I'd like not to have to spend my "golden years" hiding in a bomb shelter somewhere. This Twitter exchange made me laugh out loud, but it seems uncomfortably close to the truth.
Trump: "Interesting how the US government sells Taiwan billions of dollars of military equipment, but I should not accept a congratulatory call."
Nick Spencer (I have no idea who this is): "Yeah, man. International diplomacy is weird. You should read up on it before you get us all killed with your f***ing Twitter account."
I really like this "help me see it your way." I imagine that gets much better results. Personally, I have given up talking politics these days because I am seeing way too much damage being done, but that's just me, I can't handle it.
Too many people can't handle having their opinions challenged or even politely disagreed with - or being made aware their opinions are just opinions. I know I'm no fountain of wisdom or keeper of the inner secrets of life. If someone is going to make me wiser or more knowledgeable, or help me discard bad information or thinking on my part, I welcome it, regardless of the source.
Often "help me see it your way", though, can be problematic. People often get defensive when they haven't actually thought it out, and the question will highlight when they haven't.
You have not talked with anyone who actually likes his leadership. Teacher Terry doesnt know anyone who voted for him.
In my electric blue city I know 5 Trumpsters just off the top of my head and at least three of them will articulate why he could be good for the country.
ya'll live in a bubble.Hope that lack of diversity works for you.
I have the feeling that the scope of a bubble depends on how close one associates with the rust belt and uneducated whites, which appear to be Trumps core of support. So yes, my bubble does not extend far in that direction. I went on my annual pheasant hunt with "the guys", which included a few with Duck Dynasty beards and wrist to where ever tattoos. And pro gun rights. We sat down for lunch and talked politics. I think among this small bubble the consensus, present company excluded, was some agreement on policy but little support for Trump's morals or leadership.
I think it is all a wait and see. At least on the start Trump seems to be on a bait and switch tactic with immigration, the wall, and maybe even climate change. It may turn out that the Trump people voted for and the one who is president may be different.
When people talk about living in a bubble, I think of it as a mindset, not as a physical place of residence.
iris lilies
12-7-16, 1:47pm
I have the feeling that the scope of a bubble depends on how close one associates with the rust belt and uneducated whites, which appear to be Trumps core of support. So yes, my bubble does not extend far in that direction. I went on my annual pheasant hunt with "the guys", which included a few with Duck Dynasty beards and wrist to where ever tattoos. And pro gun rights. We sat down for lunch and talked politics. I think among this small bubble the consensus, present company excluded, was some agreement on policy but little support for Trump's morals or leadership.
I think it is all a wait and see. At least on the start Trump seems to be on a bait and switch tactic with immigration, the wall, and maybe even climate change. It may turn out that the Trump people voted for and the one who is president may be different.
Re: " uneducated whites..."
In the group of the 5 people who I know voted Trump off the top of my head ( and I know others, if I sit down and think about it!) they have these degrees:
2 have Ph.d
1 has J.D.
1 has Master's + 30
1 has B.A.
And what!s amazing, the men even have non-Trump voting women who sleep with them!
I think we really have a lot of tolerence for diversity here, it is shoved in our face daily.
But Roger, its good that you get out with the Duck Dynasty crowd. As for tatooes, that means nothing politically. It's not even a class marker any more.
Well, I think having something shoved in your face on a daily basis can have the opposite effect than tolerance.......
iris lilies
12-7-16, 2:02pm
A lot of the huge differences I have are with people who look just like me. The vast, vast majority of Trump voters, for example. In fact Trump himself brags about his German heritage (forgetting the Scots half, apparently)..."
see! That is the best reason for me not to vote for him, this denial of his Scots heritage. Haha.
iris lilies
12-7-16, 2:04pm
Well, I think having something shoved in your face on a daily basis can have the opposite effect than tolerance.......
why, yes, that is true!
Miss Cellane
12-7-16, 2:18pm
Does no one have any love for Trump's tweet today taking Boeing to task for billions chargd to the taxpayer for two new Air Force One jets?
I have to say, I kinda liked it.
But it apparently isn't completely true. (Surprise!) The planes are still in the planning stages. They may end up costing 4 billion dollars, but nothing close to that amount has been spent on them yet.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/dec/06/donald-trump/fact-checking-donald-trumps-tweet-air-force-one-bo/
The current planes were built in 1990 and spare parts are getting hard to find. The President has to fly around in *something*. While there may be ways of cutting costs, whoever follows Trump as president won't have her own plane, and it takes years to design and build the planes, so Trump can't really just cancel them. He needs to present an alternative.
Yet again, Trump uses an inflammatory tweet to distract the public from other things he is doing.
In response to the original topic of the this thread, whenever Trump tweets, I look to see what he wants us to ignore. There's always something.
I think he throws out crumbs to the masses.........like the Carrier thing. Turns out he only saved something like 750 jobs......and for how long? And at what cost to the taxpayers?
I wouldn't be surprised if he knew more about the plane deal and decided to oppose it, to make it look like he cared about saving money.....when he probably knows it will still get built.
He's a master manipulator and user. You can't trust anything he says......whether it's good or bad.
I saw one of his supporters on the news and they asked her "What do you think about him rejecting the new planes?" And she said something like "I think it's great!! He's trying to save us all money." then she was asked if there were anything he could do that would turn her away from supporting him, and she said "Only if he weren't Trump".
Maybe she doesn't know about the security cost to keep him and his family safe in separate locations, or how he lives. It's selective attention. We all have it......but her answers embarrassed me for her a bit. He doesn't give a rat's ass for her or people like her.........
I thought much the same thing, but sort of from the reverse perspective. Why are people so outraged about the cost of the guy spending so much time in NYC, but also outraged that he would opine about the cost of the presidential air yacht?
I wonder if Boeing's support of the Clinton Foundation had anything to do with this? Trumps obvious also has veiled agendas.
gimmethesimplelife
12-7-16, 9:03pm
I'm finding for myself that I am best off not discussing Trump outside the 85006. The reactions I get truly scare me for the future of this nation and furthermore it's so disrespectful to Mexico, it's people/culture/flag to discuss him outside of the 85006 where people get it. I have more respect for Mexico and my husband's people than to discuss Trump outside safe areas these days. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
12-7-16, 9:04pm
When people talk about living in a bubble, I think of it as a mindset, not as a physical place of residence.
Plus 1,000. Rob
frugal-one
12-7-16, 9:29pm
I have stayed out of all most all political election talk, but it is what it is now. My friend told me she is going to the Women's March in DC (if it is still happening) Then shook her head at why/how didi this happen. We both agreed Impeachment will happen, but when and how much damage before. Who knows maybe it will all be ok? IDK anymore.
I know someone else who said they were going. What is it? She explained it like the Million Man march of years ago????
frugal-one
12-7-16, 9:44pm
Today's paper had a wonderful political cartoon and had to look up the cartoonist. He writes for the Pittsburg-Post Gazette.
http://blogs.post-gazette.com/opinion/rob-rogers-cartoons
http://blogs.post-gazette.com/2016_Rogers_Cartoons/20161206_Swamp_Tower.jpg
flowerseverywhere
12-8-16, 7:41am
I know lots of Trump supporters. When I ask them what do they think he can reasonable accomplish most really believe that high paying factory jobs will be plentiful, they will get big tax cuts, all the illegal immigrants will be deported, foreign aid will be stopped, welfare/food stamps/Medicaid will be much less, abortion will be illegal and our borders will be totally secure including a continuous giant wall. Very tall orders, some of most I think they will be able to accomplish.
People hear what they want to hear. Big tax cuts may not necessarily mean your individual taxes will see a big cut for example. Depending on who the next Supreme Court justice is Abortion may be more restrictive for example. Entitlements will likely be less, but beware that this may mean social security and Medicare also.
my biggest fears are nuclear weapons and people feeling empowered to take matters into their own hands.
My biggest hope is that with our system of checks and balances everything will swing a little more to the center. Looking back eight years people elected Obama hoping for big changes. I wish he had been a littlle less liberal. The pendulum continues to swing.
Miss Cellane
12-8-16, 8:15am
I thought much the same thing, but sort of from the reverse perspective. Why are people so outraged about the cost of the guy spending so much time in NYC, but also outraged that he would opine about the cost of the presidential air yacht?
I think it is because Trump staying in New York is his own personal choice--one that will cost more money than if he just moved to the White House and stayed there the majority of the time. It is not a necessary expense. And there may also be a bit of underlying anger/resentment that staying in NYC more indicates that Trump thinks he is too good for the White House.
Whereas Air Force One, or some equivalent form of transportation, is more of a necessary thing. Air Force One is also not related to Trump personally, but to the office of President.
And Trump may have made that tweet because he is riled at Boeing, not because he really cares about the cost of the planes. And he distorted the facts about the planes and the costs. (The planes have not yet been built, they are still in the planning stages. And while the two planes may well end up costing more than 4 billion dollars, nothing close to that amount has yet been spent on them.)
I thought much the same thing, but sort of from the reverse perspective. Why are people so outraged about the cost of the guy spending so much time in NYC, but also outraged that he would opine about the cost of the presidential air yacht?
Hey LDAHL.......some of my brain seems to be totally dark sometimes. I'm having trouble understanding your post. Are you asking why I'm questioning the cost of his security detail, and then questioning his seeming concern with the cost of the the planes?
I thought much the same thing, but sort of from the reverse perspective. Why are people so outraged about the cost of the guy spending so much time in NYC, but also outraged that he would opine about the cost of the presidential air yacht?
For one thing, his tweet about the "presidential air yacht" (if you want to call something designed to be an alternate command center with a bunch of military doo-dads built in a yacht), was false.
There is one thing I will credit Trump with - a feature of narcissists is their ability to gaslight their victims - he's figured out how to do it to an entire country.
There is one thing I will credit Trump with - a feature of narcissists is their ability to gaslight their victims - he's figured out how to do it to an entire country.
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Yep!
For one thing, his tweet about the "presidential air yacht" (if you want to call something designed to be an alternate command center with a bunch of military doo-dads built in a yacht), was false.
There is one thing I will credit Trump with - a feature of narcissists is their ability to gaslight their victims - he's figured out how to do it to an entire country.
That's for sure. Seems to get awfully close to sociopath........
gimmethesimplelife
12-8-16, 12:58pm
There is one thing I will credit Trump with - a feature of narcissists is their ability to gaslight their victims - he's figured out how to do it to an entire country.
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Yep!Au contraire. Mr Trump has not gaslighted me. From the very first moment I viewed him as a fundamental threat to basic human rights and basic human dignity. I am far from the only person out there who distrusted him upon sight. Rob
True, Rob, I was thinking of the people I thought were sensible, decent people...and yet they chose to vote for this man, generally because they believed him. I do think FoxNewNetwork was a huge factor in his election by spending 8 years, actually all the Clinton years as well presenting "facts" that promoted fear and hatred of both Hilary and Obama. Most of the people I know who voted for Trump watch Fox News Network ALL DAY! Most don't get a newspaper so all the news is from that network. I watched it for the week or two before the election and could see how easily people could be swayed and afraid to vote for Hilary based on their commentary. I didn't hear anything good about Trump....just fear and hate of Hilary.
I have a friend who has despised him for years. I used to think she was a little over the top in her hatred of him--I thought he was just a garden variety self-promoter and egomaniac. But she was right.
I have been wondering if he really considered how much his life is going to be restricted by the office? I imagine he is used to picking up and traveling on a moment's notice, doing whatever he pleases. It will be a HUGE change.
For one thing, his tweet about the "presidential air yacht" (if you want to call something designed to be an alternate command center with a bunch of military doo-dads built in a yacht), was false.
That would be a different set of aircraft, I think the E-4Bs they maintain as the National Airborne Command Post. We used to refer to it as "kneecap".
There is one thing I will credit Trump with - a feature of narcissists is their ability to gaslight their victims - he's figured out how to do it to an entire country.
Maybe not everyone but enough to cause a huge issue. I was married into a narcissist family and started to experience a real increase of stress almost a year ago since the pattern I saw in Donald was so familiar. I am not at all confused about what is happening, it is so classic. I just wonder what will happen when a large number of people realize that he lies so much. Unfortunately I have lived first hand that a lot of people want to side with the 'winner' regardless. Couples counselors were especially bad, more concerned about healing his childhood trauma than about current lies and manipulation. I have gone years just living in more of the present moment and being happy I came out of it okay, but it is really hard right now.
Miss Cellane
12-8-16, 3:15pm
I have been wondering if he really considered how much his life is going to be restricted by the office? I imagine he is used to picking up and traveling on a moment's notice, doing whatever he pleases. It will be a HUGE change.
This. And I've been wondering what he will do, the first time someone in his Cabinet says something he doesn't like. He won't be able to just fire them and hire someone else--those people need vetting and Congressional approval. You can't just change personnel on a whim.
But mostly, he doesn't seem to care about the impact of his tweets or what he says in any forum. He tweeted about Boeing, because the CEO of Boeing criticized Trump's plans for trade. And Boeing's stock dropped. It's back up, now that the truth about the planes is out. But if you are all that concerned about US businesses, maybe don't send tweets that cause them harm?
Then he tweeted about the union guy who told the truth about the number of jobs Trump really saved at the Carrier plant. I'd been reading about the true number for days, but this poor guy announced the truth in a press conference and Trump slammed him. For telling the truth. And now the guy is getting phone calls threatening his kids.
I'm sure Trump didn't want people making threatening phone calls about harming someone's children. But that's the effect his tweets are having. And that means he needs to rethink what he tweets about.
I just wonder what will happen when a large number of people realize that he lies so much.
Are you sure he actually "lies", though?
A lie typically requires knowledge of the falseness of the statement, and an intent to deceive.
I wonder if instead Donald actually *believes* some of the statements that come out of his mouth? So many of the things he says seem lifted right out of the viral-meme-sphere, and retransmitted by Donald in real time without any conscious thought of his own. (That is to say, he sounds just like a relative of mine who listens entirely to right-wing talk radio.)
ApatheticNoMore
12-8-16, 3:30pm
I just wonder what will happen when a large number of people realize that he lies so much.
oh they'll be shocked, shocked that a politician is lying to them! What is the world coming to?
* some tiny number who thought the Donald might be different might be shocked. And it's true he may believe what he says, the thing about Clinton is she lied and likely knew it (that public and private position afterall, although even with her, there is a blindness that comes from the position one is in and who one surrounds oneself with so it's not all lying) but with the Donald he really might not.
Miss Cellane
12-8-16, 4:54pm
Are you sure he actually "lies", though?
A lie typically requires knowledge of the falseness of the statement, and an intent to deceive.
I wonder if instead Donald actually *believes* some of the statements that come out of his mouth? So many of the things he says seem lifted right out of the viral-meme-sphere, and retransmitted by Donald in real time without any conscious thought of his own. (That is to say, he sounds just like a relative of mine who listens entirely to right-wing talk radio.)
I think "without any conscious thought of his own," pretty much sums up D. Trump.
Are you sure he actually "lies", though?
A lie typically requires knowledge of the falseness of the statement, and an intent to deceive.
I wonder if instead Donald actually *believes* some of the statements that come out of his mouth? So many of the things he says seem lifted right out of the viral-meme-sphere, and retransmitted by Donald in real time without any conscious thought of his own. (That is to say, he sounds just like a relative of mine who listens entirely to right-wing talk radio.)
I worked with a guy for a few years who was in a position of some responsibility, but would routinely concoct false statements, often in front of official meetings in front of a naive audience. After a time I began to realize that he actually believed what he said, or would convince himself of their truths after the fact, even the real truth was obvious to anyone familiar with the topic. I came to think of it as some sort of mental disorder. I have thought a few times that Trump might be a similar person.
Then he tweeted about the union guy who told the truth about the number of jobs Trump really saved at the Carrier plant. I'd been reading about the true number for days, but this poor guy announced the truth in a press conference and Trump slammed him. For telling the truth. And now the guy is getting phone calls threatening his kids.
I'm sure Trump didn't want people making threatening phone calls about harming someone's children. But that's the effect his tweets are having. And that means he needs to rethink what he tweets about.
I don't know, he seems just fine with the impact of everything he has done. I have never seen anything resembling regret or remorse including people being assaulted in his name. So I will assume that he is getting the reaction he wants rather than assume he is upset in any way.
Are you sure he actually "lies", though?
A lie typically requires knowledge of the falseness of the statement, and an intent to deceive.
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you know I am glad I have had my experience in life because at some point it doesn't really matter how much he is aware. I spent years working with these narcissist family members on trying to figure out if they knew they were lying, they knew enough to not to say things about certain people or in certain situations, so they were smart enough to figure it out.
Miss Cellane
12-9-16, 12:20am
I don't know, he seems just fine with the impact of everything he has done. I have never seen anything resembling regret or remorse including people being assaulted in his name. So I will assume that he is getting the reaction he wants rather than assume he is upset in any way.
Oh, I don't think he's upset at all. He just doesn't realize that what he says/tweets can have consequences beyond his immediate goal of getting attention for himself. It's very selfish behavior.
His most recent batch of tweets are disturbing.
If I had an elderly uncle tweeting like that, I'd arrange a wellness check. And probably remove all the firing pins from his guns.
Williamsmith
11-23-17, 10:03pm
His most recent batch of tweets are disturbing.
If I had an elderly uncle tweeting like that, I'd arrange a wellness check. And probably remove all the firing pins from his guns.
I think the establishment on both sides are working diligently to fix the problem. Just a matter of time.
His most recent batch of tweets are disturbing.
If I had an elderly uncle tweeting like that, I'd arrange a wellness check. And probably remove all the firing pins from his guns.
Yes, even more than the usual, we need a wellness check and a new drivers license test drive
Williamsmith
11-30-17, 9:07am
As astonishingly irresponsibility as some of these “tweets” seem to be, we shouldn’t forget about historical perspective and some the the outrageous quotes that have been attributed to former Presidents. And we should be thankful for “tweets” as expose the President quite nicely for the world to see. Unlike past Presidents who make statements off the “record” or unintentionally on the record as the case may be. So it was up to real investigative reporting to deiscover the flaws and human failures each and every President has possessed.
Ill start with LBJ who said, “I’ll have those n***ers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”
And :
“These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”
Williamsmith
11-30-17, 9:16am
Abraham Lincoln might have tweeted, had he a cell phone:
”I have urged the colonization of the Negroes in Africa and I shall continued.” How’s that for an immigration policy?
Williamsmith
11-30-17, 9:19am
Ronald Reagan could have easily tweeted incorrectly a quote of John Adams, “Facts are stubborn things.” Ronny might have tweeted, “Facts are stupid things.” Judging from his speech at the 1988 Republican Convention.
Williamsmith
11-30-17, 9:22am
Tricky Dick Nixon would have certainly tweeted, “When the President does it, that means it’s not illegal.”
Williamsmith
11-30-17, 9:26am
You could go on quite a long time with examples of equally horrendous statements and activities.
flowerseverywhere
11-30-17, 9:38am
As astonishingly irresponsibility as some of these “tweets” seem to be, we shouldn’t forget about historical perspective and some the the outrageous quotes that have been attributed to former Presidents. And we should be thankful for “tweets” as expose the President quite nicely for the world to see. Unlike past Presidents who make statements off the “record” or unintentionally on the record as the case may be. So it was up to real investigative reporting to deiscover the flaws and human failures each and every President has possessed.
Ill start with LBJ who said, “I’ll have those n***ers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”
And :
“These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”
You can post a hundred examples however it is No excuse. Deplorable actions in the past do not justify deplorable actions in the present.
Williamsmith
11-30-17, 10:36am
You can post a hundred examples however it is No excuse. Deplorable actions in the past do not justify deplorable actions in the present.
Yes, I agree, but it should temper ones righteous indignation. It remains to be seen what Trumps Presidential legacy will be. Perhaps a North Korean debacle will define it, maybe one of the numerous ongoing “investigations” will finally force his resignation, or perhaps we simply absorb another three years of unenlightened tweeting going into the next election.
But as easy as it is to expend energy demeaning his ignorance and ineptitude......one should be concerned with the lack of preparedness the Democratic Party shows. To be beaten by such a moron as Trump. To have not one viable candidate for the next election on the horizon. To fail to find a strategy that would be more inclusive of the fringe voters...perhaps more centrist in their platform? Trump leads. You may not be happy with the direction but he leads. The Democratic Party hasn’t decided on a direction yet.
Find me a democrat I can vote for.....that’s what Middle America is saying.
JaneV2.0
11-30-17, 10:42am
And women are getting increasingly "uppity" now, too. Must be a nightmare for those who hold the reins of power.
......one should be concerned with the lack of preparedness the Democratic Party shows. To be beaten by such a moron as Trump. To have not one viable candidate for the next election on the horizon. To fail to find a strategy that would be more inclusive of the fringe voters...perhaps more centrist in their platform? Trump leads. You may not be happy with the direction but he leads. The Democratic Party hasn’t decided on a direction yet.
Find me a democrat I can vote for.....that’s what Middle America is saying.
My thinking is that I don't have to personally like the person who is piloting the airplane I'm a passenger on, as long as we safely get to the destination. Unfortunately in the last election, the "liking" part overrode the policy part, and now we're stuck with a president who is going to surprise a lot of his supporters with the destination they're going to land in.
Zoe Girl
11-30-17, 11:38am
And women are getting increasingly "uppity" now, too. Must be a nightmare for those who hold the reins of power.
Yes, it seems it is the era of 'well behaved women rarely make history'
Williamsmith
12-1-17, 10:14am
Trumps tweets on the San Francisco verdict in the Zarate case are very disappointing. He really needs to get a life. Lots of hay to be made on these. He is totally ignorant of the details of this case. Digging himself a deep hole with a long handled shovel.
Trumps tweets on the San Francisco verdict in the Zarate case are very disappointing. He really needs to get a life. Lots of hay to be made on these. He is totally ignorant of the details of this case. Digging himself a deep hole with a long handled shovel.
Nothing will shake his base. Nothing. As he once said, he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and not lose a voter...
I'd love to see him get life. Oh, you said get a life....:~)
Williamsmith
12-1-17, 11:47am
Expecting a jury in San Francisco to convict a homeless idiot of intentional homicide by richocheting a bullet off the pavement is wishing in one hand and.......in the other. The fact that Sessions also chimes in on it is disturbing. It’s none of the feds business. The Bureau of Land Management has lots of explaining to do when the gun used to kill the poor girl was stolen from an agents vehicle and it was in a backpack and stuffed under a seat. Anyone ever heard of safely securing your weapon? Build the wall.......but install readily available vehicle safes for your loaded firearm.
He's such an idiot with no sense of propriety. The "Pocahontas" statement (even though not a tweet) at the Native American code breakers' celebration was totally ignorant/unacceptable/selfish/inappropriate, etc., etc., etc. How can this be our president????
Are you sure he actually "lies", though?
That is a tricky one - self-delusion is a component of narcissism. On the other hand a gaslighter has to know when they are lying in order to gaslight. Maybe a mixture of both?
Teacher Terry
12-1-17, 2:57pm
I am confused on why the guy that shot the girl in SF didn't get found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. That would seem to be appropriate. Creaker I totally agree.
Williamsmith
12-1-17, 3:31pm
I am confused on why the guy that shot the girl in SF didn't get found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. That would seem to be appropriate. Creaker I totally agree.
The investigators bring the facts to the prosecutor. It’s up to them to decide strategy and present the case. To a juror it’s a blank canvas. I only know what I read. From that I’ll make a guess based on my experience.
1. I don’t believe this is jury nullification like you will hear talk show hosts espouse. The fact Zarate is illegal changes nothing about the evidence.
2. The prosecution seems by everything I read, to have focused on first degree murder. That’s a huge roll of the dice if you don’t have the evidence to back it up....which they didn’t. What it does is use up valuable attention span of the jury on elements of a crime that probably won’t be proven and risks adding confusion.
3. Still, wouldn’t the jury be able to understand at least his guilt on the involuntary manslaughter? Yes, if they believed the Evidence showed he did more than just discover a parcel abandoned in a public place. But if that evidence was thin.....then they would have to revert to the defense supposition that he picked up the parcel and it inadvertently discharged. In that scenario, Zarate himself might have just as well been shot.
4. There are a few inconvenient facts for the prosecution. The bullet ricocheted off the concrete and then travelled more than 25 yards before it fatally wounded the victim. Would a person intentionally attempting to kill someone not fire directly at the victim? Or more importantly, close the distance to ensure a direct hit? Would someone shooting a random victim in a crowded pier....stop firing after a single round? Hum. Would a person having an accidental discharge stop firing after a single round? Yes. Definitely. Could anyone ever repeat a ricochet shot in an attempt to intentionally kill another person? Never in 100 tries.
5. The jury is not saying Zarate did not shoot the victim. They aren’t saying he couldn’t have been reckless. They are simply saying that the prosecution failed to prove it.
6. Was there any evidence presented that the defendant knew how to operate a Sig Sauer P239 with a decocking lever. A trigger pull of about 5 lbs. The-jury asked to handle the gun themselves in order to see how easy it is to pull the trigger. The judge refused. The jury was doing their due diligence. There’s not even any evidence that Zarate has used a gun in the past to commit crime. Especially not one made in Germany and costing over $600. A homeless indigent nitwit doesn’t get a chance to practice with a top of the line duty weapon much.
I really appreciate your input on many issues here, Williamsmith.
Teacher Terry
12-1-17, 4:04pm
Thanks WS! That all makes sense now.
I’ve been on the jury side in a criminal case involving violence. The “reasonable doubt” standard is a pretty high bar, and rightly so.
Williamsmith
12-1-17, 5:59pm
Again, I am relying on news reports so All of what I opine on is based on that.
I did have one thought I forgot to mention. Zarate’s arrest is reported as occurring about one hour after the incident. The bullet retrieved from the body of the victim was discovered to have a flattened side consistent with a ricochet. That evidence wasn’t discovered until four days after the incident. That’s when investigators returned to the pier to look for the location of the ricochet. Up until then, investigators were working off the assumption that Zarate had taken direct aim at the victim.
By the time the ricochet was discovered.....how much pressure had already been building for a conviction of murder? One can assume the high profile nature and the politics were more than just a distraction.
That particular model firearm has an external hammer that can be manually cocked. When it is, the double action feature which is about a ten pound trigger pull turns into single action with about a 5 lb trigger pull or less.
But there is one other possibility and that is a slip of the thumb while cocking the hammer can result in an accidental discharge. The BLM and all law enforcement for that matter requires the duty weapon to have one round hot in the chamber. That’s the way it is carried. That is why the owners manual warns against manually cocking the hammer. Police officers who are trained and experienced with their firearm....have accidental discharges when distracted or just not thinking clearly. A moron without any prior experience with a Sig Sauer P239 would be an accident waiting for a place to happen. I’d be interested to know how many rounds were found in the magazine when the gun was found or if the magazine was even in the magazine well.
Im not saying that’s what happened. I think only Zarate really knows.
Trump, a moron of a different kind.......however knows exactly what he is doing and should have his phone placed in a lockbox before it accidentally goes off again and really hurts somebody.
Trump, a moron of a different kind.......however knows exactly what he is doing and should have his phone placed in a lockbox before it accidentally goes off again and really hurts somebody.
How true!
Just saw on The Daily Show (Trevor Noah) that Trump's tweets about fake CNN news have affected responses to the slave auction report in Libya.
And he continues to circle the drain with his recent stream.
Looks like he had a fine Tweeting weekend!
Yes, he did. If all his whining/tweeting about important things, like how SNL treated him, wasn't enough, his perfunctory tweet to NZ was beyond the pale--"best wishes"???? "Warmest sympathies"????
Maybe he’s trying to move beyond the stupid ‘thoughts and prayers’ that are normally offered up after mass shootings. Or maybe it’s just he’s aware enough to realize that saying the shooter was a good person wouldn’t go over any better than it did with the white terrorist in charlottesville that ran over a bunch of people with his car.
At least he didn't go to NZ and throw a few rolls of paper towels at their heads.
The ritual thoughts-and-prayers-sneering has become as tediously predictable as the offending phrase.
I will pray for more originality for all parties.
He tactfully picked on someone who is not capable of fighting back, his old whipping boy McCain.
The ritual thoughts-and-prayers-sneering has become as tediously predictable as the offending phrase.
The ritual thoughts-and-prayers-sneering has become as tediously predictable as the cause of the offending phrase.
Fixed it for you.
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