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Zoe Girl
1-18-17, 11:36am
Anyone doing this? I am involved in the one in Denver and the interfaith area. I am going to lead some Buddhist chanting and make space for meditation (if it is warm enough, we may do standing or walking instead of sitting). I have a work colleague and all the women in her family are traveling to DC. I know of some that are going to be silent which is more my style. Also yoga studios all over are doing silent and candlelit programs at 5 MST if you want to do something but are not into loud marches or cold.

Alan
1-18-17, 12:07pm
What is the purpose of these marches?

JaneV2.0
1-18-17, 12:51pm
One of my friends will be marching--with her walker. I'm not so intrepid; my demonstrating days are over, I fear. But I support getting out there and making a show of protest.

creaker
1-18-17, 1:20pm
I'll be at the one in Boston Saturday - primarily I'm going to listen.

Rogar
1-18-17, 3:11pm
What is the purpose of these marches?

Best I can figure from their website is that it is a women lead movement to show solidarity on women's and minority rights, though the specifics seem quite expansive.
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/584086c7be6594762f5ec56e/t/587e8432b3db2b97b38a7a8f/1484686387172/WMW+Guiding+Vision+%26+Definition+of+Principles.pd f

I was invited to out local march and won't be going, but have friends who will. I'm not above some forms of peaceful protest but it seems too non-specific to make an impact. Maybe I'm missing something.

Alan
1-18-17, 4:01pm
Maybe I'm missing something.
Me too. I did a quick Google search after asking the question and got very little detail other than several links having to do with women who were un-invited to march such as several groups of pro-life women. I think that calling it a 'women's march' is not telling the whole story, if they are solidarity marches they're being rather picky on which women are allowed to join in.

iris lilies
1-18-17, 4:24pm
The St. Lous march has been derailed by the usual St. Louis issue, race, but now I am reading that is a complaint across all of the city-specific marches, and perhaps the national one as well, a lack of diversity amoung the organizers. Poor planning in failing to invite the right groups. That sort of thing. I first heard about it in my neghborhood on Nextdoor when someone made a snarky remark about how she wouldnt be participating due to the sad lack of diversity.(I did think, umm lady, if you participate, there will be diversity but I was not sure that logical thought would be welcome. :))

I know there was blow back about using "The Million women" phrase because it was stolen from another march, and that Million Black Men thing is now a franchise.

ctg492
1-18-17, 4:49pm
I am not, 68 year old neighbor is with sister and two friends. Bus leaves the day before. I have goodies and cards of support.

catherine
1-18-17, 5:56pm
What is the purpose of these marches?

This particular one actually started as a protest against the results of the election, but there is a broader agenda. Here's a Rolling Stone article (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/why-hundreds-of-thousands-are-joining-the-womens-march-w461332)


The march, the organizers declared via an ambitious platform released last week, is for gender equality, racial equality, LGBTQIA equality, economic justice and reproductive freedom; for equal pay, paid family leave, labor protections, clean water and air and access to public lands; and for an end to violence against women, police brutality and racial profiling. If that seems like a lot, well, that's the point.
Sarsour, who serves as executive director of the Arab American Association of New York, tells Rolling Stone that the message the marchers want to send is that "from climate justice to racial justice to immigrant rights, reproductive rights, Native rights, we are united. We are committing to work together.
"We think that that hasn't happened in a very clear way in a long time – bringing all the movements together and ... saying, 'We are watching you. We are ready. We are fired up. And we're ready to fight back and protect our communities,'" she says.

The anti-Trump backlash is definitely inciting a lot of grassroots activity and commitment to fight for a multitude of causes. My gut response to his election was to personally get more engaged in environmental causes, knowing that we will probably lose a LOT of ground in that area because of his commitment to roll back regulations, hire a climate change skeptic as head of the EPA, and withdraw support in developing clean energy. It's more important than ever for individuals to fill the void.

"If not me, who? If not now, when?" Gorbachev

freshstart
1-18-17, 6:04pm
I will not be participating due to illness but several friends of mine are getting together and going to D.C.

flowerseverywhere
1-18-17, 9:40pm
What is the purpose of these marches?
i know quite a few women who are going, both to D.C. And some of the other city marches

some are going because they are afraid for the rights of LBGT individuals. Some are pro choice and pro women's health and feel that if planned parenthood funding is taken away (which as we all know federal funding is not allowed to be used for abortions) millions of women will lose access to women's health care like mammograms, Pap smears and birth control. The federal government also funds Catholic Charities. Some women are going because they do not like our president elect's history of treating women with great disrespect.

With all of the problems facing our president elect I have no idea why it matters so much to a bunch of rich white men what women do with their own bodies. If they really were so moral and Christian, and had such high standards they would be faithful husbands, and follow the parts of the Bible that taught compassion, love and caring. The last thing they would be doing is taking basic health services away from women Along with the rest of the working poor' health insurance. I only hope they craft an acceptable replacement before they repeal.

I think much of this is about power and keeping women in their place. But that is my opinion. That old double standard of women are sluts, but men are sowing their wild oats. I don't expect people to understand that have never been poor, worried about where they might get their health care, or worried about getting
pregnant.

Be be safe out there if you plan to participate. Go to the ACLU website for a handy guide to your first amendment rights.

iris lilies
1-18-17, 10:16pm
NPR interviewed people who were in training to "disrupt" the Trump inagural events. They are protesting by (as they stated) trying to keep people away. They are LBGTetc.

I dont see how that is supposed to make me feel kindly toward LGBTetc issues. Peaceful protest, taking a stand and espressing it, is a good thing. "Disruptive" protesting to keep speeches and events from taking place is bullying. It is tawdry, and it has repercussions.

As usual, the cops will be put in the middle of this fookery and will have to deal with it professionally and carefully, all e while keeping paths clear and people safe. Screw that, crowd control is tough enough without large groups of etcs making a rumble.

jp1
1-18-17, 10:39pm
It'll be interesting to see what exactly "disrupt" means. And whether law enforcement reacts in a reasonable fashion. History has shown repeatedly that peaceful protests don't always elicit a reasonable response.

Personally I question the value of such a broad agendaed protest as there promises to be this weekend. Outside of reassuring the protesters that they are, in fact, not alone in their concerns, and perhaps helping them to make contacts to plan future efforts, I doubt much will be accomplished. Successful change generally only happens when a group of people pick a specific issue and focus their efforts in a multi-pronged way at making that specific change happen. Spreading too broad of a tent makes things like having a coherent message virtually impossible. No trump enabler is going to be swayed by a laundry list of 50 concerns. But picking one specific concern, perhaps healthcare and insurance, and focusing a laserlike effort on that issue can accomplish a lot. Doing things like parading people who are non-dead thanks to the ACA in front of the media while simultaneously issuing press releases with statistics about the number of likely future dead people as a result of repeal, and so forth. But add to that media blitz immigrants and trans people and police brutality and the environment and on and on and on and you end up with no one paying any attention to any of it other than the people who already agree with everything you're saying. The media coverage will just be "people angry about trump protested. The end." And all the trump enablers will respond with "they're just a bunch of angry losers who need to grow up." And precisely nothing will have been accomplished.

Zoe Girl
1-18-17, 11:13pm
I am going to be with people truly, I have a lot of people going that I know. I don't know if I know the 2 issues or the 50 issues, I just want to feel that I am not alone in this. The basics are there, getting paid fairly, being able to get health care reasonably, to not deal with harassment, have rapes punished to the same extent as other crimes, etc.

I am also not there to disrupt, just be there

iris lilies
1-18-17, 11:28pm
It'll be interesting to see what exactly "disrupt" means. And whether law enforcement reacts in a reasonable fashion. History has shown repeatedly that peaceful protests don't always elicit a reasonable response.

Personally I question the value of such a broad agendaed protest as there promises to be this weekend. Outside of reassuring the protesters that they are, in fact, not alone in their concerns, and perhaps helping them to make contacts to plan future efforts, I doubt much will be accomplished. Successful change generally only happens when a group of people pick a specific issue and focus their efforts in a multi-pronged way at making that specific change happen. Spreading too broad of a tent makes things like having a coherent message virtually impossible. No trump enabler is going to be swayed by a laundry list of 50 concerns. But picking one specific concern, perhaps healthcare and insurance, and focusing a laserlike effort on that issue can accomplish a lot. Doing things like parading people who are non-dead thanks to the ACA in front of the media while simultaneously issuing press releases with statistics about the number of likely future dead people as a result of repeal, and so forth. But add to that media blitz immigrants and trans people and police brutality and the environment and on and on and on and you end up with no one paying any attention to any of it other than the people who already agree with everything you're saying. The media coverage will just be "people angry about trump protested. The end." And all the trump enablers will respond with "they're just a bunch of angry losers who need to grow up." And precisely nothing will have been accomplished.
In this case, the NPR interviewee said "disrupt" meant blocking the path of people to get to Trump's speech, keeping people away from the main event.

IshbelRobertson
1-19-17, 7:22am
There are marches around the globe. I cannot attend as I have bad asthma at present. My niece is making a speech at the Canberra march.

Chicken lady
1-19-17, 8:17am
My daughter invited me to the one closest to her. I looked it up and told her I rely felt like my presence would be high carbon/low impact.

the thing that really hits me, it that here they're expecting 7,000 women to march. So, 7,000 women give up a few hours of their day to walk down a street. Now, imagine what you could accomplish with 21,000 man-hours. Even if they just called their representatives about legislation for half an hour a month - the phones would never stop ringing.

"repost this if you want to give the appearance of caring without actually accomplishing anything"

Zoe Girl
1-19-17, 9:37am
So one of my reasons for marching is that I HAVE been doing things, I have been doing some small and bigger things for years around racism and sexism. Now I just need to get out of my head, out of my house, join with some people and re-energize for what comes next.

JaneV2.0
1-19-17, 9:49am
I'm afraid we're going to have to fight this war on many fronts; the opposition requires it. I've been calling and writing, but I'm not optimistic. Without mass mobilization, we're just an annoyance. They have all the money and power, and the will.

Chicken lady
1-19-17, 9:52am
And Zoe, that's great. I understand that community support can be extremely important. That's not my point.

I don't need that, and I really don't think the delta between say, 6,000 people and 7,000 people is going to make any difference except in the amount of trash generated and fuel burned. What I have issue with is the stereotypical soccer mom (using a stereotype as a summary, not bashing moms whose kids play soccer) who drives her minivan down with three friends, marches, listens to the speeches, and then drives home smugly satisfied that she made a difference.

so, while you're at it, take some scrap paper and a pencil and let some people who seem to have free time or extra money know some things they can do that would actually help your program in an immediate, tangible way.

IshbelRobertson
1-19-17, 10:02am
My niece is a Union official. She already makes a difference in thebfight for women's rights.

Zoe Girl
1-19-17, 10:06am
Got it Chicken, I was hesitant to go (we are expected to have 40K here in Denver) until the person in charge of the interfaith circle contacted me. I really want to do that, and there are not other Buddhist women going really. I am struggling to find some helpers.

I know those moms, and some will really surprise you. I worked at a highly affluent elementary school and while many moms were like that there were often some 'hidden gems' in the mix. I know my primary way of working with this is to simply go to work. I saw a spike in some racial differences in my programs that I am working on. A small thing but a foundation for other issues. And I think it is good to find a small place you can make your difference instead of spreading out too much, unless you are an amazing speaker and then go for it!

Chicken lady
1-19-17, 10:31am
Zoe, I want to believe that people want to make a difference, that most of them are not just "reposting" because they want to be visible and popular and part of a group. And even then, even if that is all the motivation they have, I feel like it could be harnessed better.

so if we can keep fighting against ignorance and apathy by showing each other where and how our energy and talents can change things for the better, that matters a whole lot more than waving the flag. So, yeah, wave the flag, get some attention, but then use it. If you are part of a group that is making a difference, spend the March meeting new people and telling them about it. And if you don't know where to start, keep asking.

what if Denver had an additional 10,000 volunteer hours in February?

Rogar
1-19-17, 11:18am
My daughter invited me to the one closest to her. I looked it up and told her I rely felt like my presence would be high carbon/low impact.

the thing that really hits me, it that here they're expecting 7,000 women to march. So, 7,000 women give up a few hours of their day to walk down a street. Now, imagine what you could accomplish with 21,000 man-hours. Even if they just called their representatives about legislation for half an hour a month - the phones would never stop ringing.

"repost this if you want to give the appearance of caring without actually accomplishing anything"

I don't imagine there is any way to assess the impact of mass protests. Many are just faint memories. The occupy wall street movement did not seem to have a specific direction and is pretty much forgotten. Even older movements like the freedom march or the farmers protests have vague reflections in historical accounts. I view the women's march to a degree more a expression of Trump frustrations over solid issues. Maybe it helps nudge the ball a little one direction or another, but when it comes to the value of one's time I think the highest return on efforts lies behind the old adage, "think globally act locally". I have written my senators around some of the cabinet appointees and the response looked mostly like a low level clerk looked up the appropriate computer generated response.

On the other hand I've been involved in some local issues where just a couple or few hundred strong voices from ordinary citizens have made a difference. From what I read in the news, the issues and people at the national level are a reflection of similar issues at local or state levels, where the conservative movements have gained ground and the liberal side is losing it's base and is the trying arena for fewer and fewer young future politicians.

Chicken lady
1-19-17, 11:32am
Yes. Yesterday I spent an hour of my time trying to find a way for a student of mine to get preventative health care. What I discovered was that where I live, a 16 y.o. girl can get free condoms, std testing, pregnancy testing, mental health or reproductive counseling, or sexual education materials (with the Internet, why would she bother?) without parental consent or knowledge. What she can't get is a pelvic exam (or an hpv vaccine) if her parents refuse. Although in some cases she can get prenatal care. And if she has a baby, she can keep the baby and make medical decisions for the baby, but she can't place the baby with an adoptive family without the consent of her parents.

creaker
1-19-17, 1:52pm
And Zoe, that's great. I understand that community support can be extremely important. That's not my point.

I don't need that, and I really don't think the delta between say, 6,000 people and 7,000 people is going to make any difference except in the amount of trash generated and fuel burned. What I have issue with is the stereotypical soccer mom (using a stereotype as a summary, not bashing moms whose kids play soccer) who drives her minivan down with three friends, marches, listens to the speeches, and then drives home smugly satisfied that she made a difference.

so, while you're at it, take some scrap paper and a pencil and let some people who seem to have free time or extra money know some things they can do that would actually help your program in an immediate, tangible way.

We all aren't "soccer moms". Volunteered making STEM kits for schools on MLK day, doing my usual Friday night volunteer thing, probably volunteering for Red Cross Sunday. Donated to a number of organizations over the past month. I don't feel bad taking an afternoon marching and listening to speeches.

A lot of people come to these things looking for ways they can engage and be more active. And to remind themselves they aren't alone.

Chicken lady
1-19-17, 2:26pm
Creaker, I'm not saying you should feel bad about marching! And as you can see in what you quoted, I accept the value of seeing you are not alone. I'm just sceptical that there are 7,000 people in my community who are free to march on Saturday who are already making similar time commitments to productive action. And for those who aren't, I HOPE they find ways to engage and be more active while they are at the marches. But I am cynical enough to think many of them will simply feel that they "did their bit".

i also don't see anything wrong with not marching because you are choosing to allocate your time differently -either because you are tutoring at risk kids, or building a house with habitat, or cleaning up a park that day (non comprehensive examples of use of time I personally would see as more productive) or because you are spending the day at the spa because that is how you recharge your batteries, which you then use to make other, measurable contributions to change.

But if you are going to the spa, I hope you weighed the cost/benefit ratio of that before you made the appointment. I may go too far on that. My 24 y.o. says thanks to being raised by me and her surrogate big sister she can never fully enjoy anything self indulgent, which was never my intention.

Tybee
1-19-17, 2:28pm
Zoe, I am really glad you are going to the march. If I had lungs and hips that worked more reliably, I'd be out there with you.

Thank you for representing me; I am really grateful

in solidarity, right there with you!

creaker
1-19-17, 5:47pm
Creaker, I'm not saying you should feel bad about marching! And as you can see in what you quoted, I accept the value of seeing you are not alone. I'm just sceptical that there are 7,000 people in my community who are free to march on Saturday who are already making similar time commitments to productive action. And for those who aren't, I HOPE they find ways to engage and be more active while they are at the marches. But I am cynical enough to think many of them will simply feel that they "did their bit".

i also don't see anything wrong with not marching because you are choosing to allocate your time differently -either because you are tutoring at risk kids, or building a house with habitat, or cleaning up a park that day (non comprehensive examples of use of time I personally would see as more productive) or because you are spending the day at the spa because that is how you recharge your batteries, which you then use to make other, measurable contributions to change.

But if you are going to the spa, I hope you weighed the cost/benefit ratio of that before you made the appointment. I may go too far on that. My 24 y.o. says thanks to being raised by me and her surrogate big sister she can never fully enjoy anything self indulgent, which was never my intention.

I didn't take it personally - and you are correct with some (many?) people. I've met a lot of one-time volunteers that are "Why are we doing work? I thought volunteering was supposed to be something fun." I was just trying to say that's not all of them.

ApatheticNoMore
1-19-17, 8:19pm
It's impossible to say what effect it will have, by itself not much, but it's all a long game. I suppose if one desperately wanted to answer the question it's a historical question, but history never really fully repeats.


i also don't see anything wrong with not marching because you are choosing to allocate your time differently -either because you are tutoring at risk kids, or building a house with habitat, or cleaning up a park that day (non comprehensive examples of use of time I personally would see as more productive)

I don't see those things as particularly productive. Yes it's nice to clean up things, it will be littered again in a few weeks though, if we are realistic.


or because you are spending the day at the spa because that is how you recharge your batteries, which you then use to make other, measurable contributions to change.

I don't have a problem with someone doing this either :)

jp1
1-19-17, 10:26pm
I don't see those things as particularly productive. Yes it's nice to clean up things, it will be littered again in a few weeks though, if we are realistic.



I suppose it's true that there is a tendency towards things forever being in need of cleaning up. But just imagine the state things would get in if we never elected democrats to clean up the messes... :-) But seriously, the universe has a natural tendency towards chaos. Heck, our housekeeper comes every couple of weeks for the exact same reason. Telling him to quit coming because the project is hopeless and never-ending kind of misses the point of his existence in our lives though. Sure, we could tell him to only come once a year for 12 hours instead of 3 hours every couple of weeks. It'd save him time and us money and after he left it'd look just as lovely, but there'd be a lot more time where our home looked pretty dreadful.

Zoe Girl
1-19-17, 10:35pm
Guys (gender neutral) I don't know. I have no answers for the big questions or what is going to actually improve things. My last 2 days have been an emotional roller coaster, getting in trouble at work (as always I didn't talk to the right person about helping a family), almost in tears with a mom who is on the edge, working with kids who made some poor choices and get them back in programming, wondering if I have a target on my head from the trouble, and whatever. I think we are all trying, I don't have any energy to think about what anyone else should or could be doing.

I did the dharma talk at our first group after the election. My talk was about the balance of self-care and active engagement. It is a fine line and a lot of discernment, and based on many many years of sitting on a cushion. We all need to make the choices that make sense for us, build energy instead of draining it, and be kind to each other.

jp1
1-19-17, 11:10pm
Thinking about my earlier response that the marches won't really accomplish anything and reading the other comments after has made me wish I'd expanded on my thoughts. While I still doubt that the marches tomorrow and over the weekend will really change many people's minds about the incoming administration's obvious goal of destroying everything that's actually good about our government (as evidenced by the mass incompetence of Twump's cabinet picks) I don't necessarily think that's what they need to do. If they bring people together, get them energized to go home and do more, whatever more ends up being for them, that's a good thing. Thinking about my past, I went to the LGBT march on washington in '93. Took the train down from NYC and met up with a bunch of friends and their friends, 8 or 9 of us all jammed in a hotel room with two queen beds. I don't know that I expected my presence, or everyone there's presence, to actually change things. I just went because it sounded like a fun time. And that one event probably didn't change much in the big picture of the struggle for LGBT rights. But I met some cool people and had a really fun time. And then I went home and stepped up my volunteering at GMHC and so forth. So I think my being there was worthwhile. It was a fun party plus it motivated me to go home and do more to help LGBT issues. And now 24 years later I can get married, can join the military (although I think I'm aged out of that option by now) and generally share in the same life that straight people have always enjoyed. That one march didn't make those changes happen, but surely it was at least a small part in a long game.

flowerseverywhere
1-20-17, 10:49am
Actually Jp1, I think it is a series of small actions that make change sometimes. Like building a house, you have to start with digging the hole and laying the foundation. There are so many things I never thought I would see in my lifetime. A black president, a women who was a major party nominee, legal gay marriage, so many major steps towards equality. I am in DC this weekend and have spoken to many women going to the march. I always ask them what is the main reason they are going. Most say why they do not think they would ever have an abortion, they do not want it illegal. They want gay rights protected. They want their children's education to be of the highest quality and all children to have access to public schools that are well funded and functional. They want all women to have access to mammograms, Pap smears, birth control, pre natal care are some kind of maternity leave without penalty, six weeks minimum.
They also do not want someone else to pay for their healthcare, they just want guaranteed access.

are any of these things really too much to expect? Maybe a bunch of rich white men think so, but as a normal person I think not.

ToomuchStuff
1-21-17, 12:20pm
The women's Democratic caucus had a meeting in a friends restaurant Wednesday. We talked a couple of minutes because of the name they put it under (thought I missed someones birthday I know). They said the point was since not everyone could afford to go to Washington, they wanted to assemble, exercise their speech, make their voices heard (feel good) and "do everything they could legally do to hamper this presidency". They also said their other goal was to get more people active and running for local offices.

mschrisgo2
1-21-17, 12:45pm
I was invited to join 2 different groups going to marches nearby, but you know what? I am just too damn tired!! I already put in an extra 3 hours of volunteer tutoring after school each of the past 2 weeks, meet with groups of kids on my lunch half-hour _everyday_ to talk about their fears of Trump as President- Will my family get deported? How will my parents pay for the hospital when our new baby comes? Will my dad lose his job? How can I sleep at night when I'm so afraid? etc. etc.

We have had horrendous storms, my yard needs to be cleared of storm trash before the next one hits tonight, and I need to take my sick dog to the vet. That's what I will be doing today, so I can jump back in the trenches on Monday.

Would "marching" be more beneficial? I don't think so, not in my case. It feels like a luxury, for those who have plenty of free time. My time is already committed.

catherine
1-21-17, 12:59pm
I marched in the People's Climate Change March, but I didn't feel compelled to march in this one. It felt too reactive to me. I have a lot of friends who are in Washington or NYC as we speak, and I totally respect their decision to participate, but in this case, I prefer to look ahead and strategize as to how I might be more involved in the process going forward. He hasn't done TOO much damage yet, aside from setting the stage for the dismantling of Obamacare, so we'll see.

I found a great website written by former Congressional staffers called Indivisible: A Practical Guide for Resisting the Trump Agenda (https://www.indivisibleguide.com/web/) in which they use the Tea Party as a case study in the successes and failures of grassroots activism. I spent some time reflecting on how I might use those strategies going forward to support local and state efforts in clean air and water regulation.

ApatheticNoMore
1-21-17, 1:28pm
I don't think most people have much free time, not anyone who works a job for a living. I will be the first in line to march for a reduced work week!!! But of course it's mostly that even given the average exhaustion after a week of work some people think it's worth going. I can't so easily dismiss it as an issue of stay at home soccer moms because it IS on the weekend and lots of people do have weekends off. I do. Now my boyfriend never does, he works 6 days a week, blue collar work in this country sucks (he's NOT a Trump supporter) - you never get the weekend off, you never get a vacation no not even a staycation.

I didn't know about this march until this week really so. It's somewhat reactive I guess, but people do have things they are marching FOR (purely against Trump is indeed a waste of time). I did the local Climate march but I was more tuned in then and knew people participating.


He hasn't done TOO much damage yet, aside from setting the stage for the dismantling of Obamacare, so we'll see.

yea hasn't' done much yet


I found a great website written by former Congressional staffers called Indivisible: A Practical Guide for Resisting the Trump Agenda in which they use the Tea Party as a case study in the successes and failures of grassroots activism. I spent some time reflecting on how I might use those strategies going forward to support local and state efforts in clean air and water regulation.

there's a limit to how bad that will ever get here as we already have the full infrastructure of state level entities to regulate that (you might really want to emulate California in that regard), however fracking proceeds.

iris lilies
1-21-17, 1:54pm
I marched in the People's Climate Change March, but I didn't feel compelled to march in this one. It felt too reactive to me. I have a lot of friends who are in Washington or NYC as we speak, and I totally respect their decision to participate, but in this case, I prefer to look ahead and strategize as to how I might be more involved in the process going forward. He hasn't done TOO much damage yet, aside from setting the stage for the dismantling of Obamacare, so we'll see.

I found a great website written by former Congressional staffers called Indivisible: A Practical Guide for Resisting the Trump Agenda (https://www.indivisibleguide.com/web/) in which they use the Tea Party as a case study in the successes and failures of grassroots activism. I spent some time reflecting on how I might use those strategies going forward to support local and state efforts in clean air and water regulation.
That is a good document. I posted it to MMM where many unhappy people seem to me to be running around like chickens with their heads cut off, ineffectively blathering on about online petitions, emailing congressmen and legislators outside their own state who do not represent them, talking about starting political groups when they dont even know the ones that currently exist. I am embarrassed for their naivety. I am helping them by showing them this document even though it feels like aiding the enemy. Perhaps if they grow the **** up, we will all benefit.

catherine
1-21-17, 2:38pm
Cool, IL.. Yes, I've seen the continuum of reactions, and it's interesting. I belong to a FB group that has attracted a ton of neo-hippies/spiritual ecologists, and while I love these guys, I'm not quite sure how efficacious "sending our light upon Trump" or "healing our shadow" is going to be. Those action items certainly have their place, but I'm still writing my Congresswoman.

Zoe Girl
1-21-17, 6:06pm
Marching is not for everyone, we certainly do not need to do the same thing. I went, it was MUCH larger than I thought. I didn't find people for a long time and I was supposed to do some Buddhist thing. As an introvert I lasted until 1pm.

Best signs "you know it is bad when the introverts come out" and "Trump skis in jeans" (a Colorado insult)

Chicken lady
1-21-17, 6:54pm
Dd said I wasn't missed. They filled the parade route side to side and when the people near the front got back to the park, the park was still full of people lining up to march. She said most of the attendees couldn't get close enough to hear the speeches.

younger dd helped clean out the storage area at an elementary school. The woman in charge gave them black plastic bags and told them to throw away anything that wasn't in like new condition and easily identified. Dd asked if they could make a donation pile. Then she found the cardboard dumpster around the side of the school. She said in the end the room was neat and orderly and all the cardboard was in the dumpster and they hauled off donatables and recyclables and only threw one big black plastic bag in the trash dumpster.

all I did today was not drive, and since dh has been doing plumbing and my water won't be back on until 8:00, I will shortly be blowing that by driving three miles to the locally owned community friendly cafe for dinner. We're taking dh car, so I'm going to call the quart of gas a fair price for supporting a local small business - food on real plates, coffee in real mugs, real silverware. Just the napkins are disposable. I suppose I could take one with me.....

Mary B.
1-21-17, 7:47pm
younger dd helped clean out the storage area at an elementary school. The woman in charge gave them black plastic bags and told them to throw away anything that wasn't in like new condition and easily identified. Dd asked if they could make a donation pile. Then she found the cardboard dumpster around the side of the school. She said in the end the room was neat and orderly and all the cardboard was in the dumpster and they hauled off donatables and recyclables and only threw one big black plastic bag in the trash dumpster.

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Three cheers for your daughter! Especially when it's at a school I'm glad to see someone setting such a good example.

jp1
1-22-17, 12:59am
Of all the pics i've seen of the marches today my favorite was the sign 'you know people are worried when even the introverts show up.'

Zoe Girl
1-22-17, 10:38am
I love that one jp1 !!

JaneV2.0
1-22-17, 10:51am
Of all the pics i've seen of the marches today my favorite was the sign 'you know people are worried when even the introverts show up.'

I saw that and loved it too!

Teacher Terry
1-22-17, 2:19pm
A friend of mine interpreted for our local march. It was an easy decision for me not too go as I have had a bad cold for 3 weeks and have asthma and it was cold here. It would have been more of a dilemma if I had been well. At the last protest here some guy in a truck yelled at protestors who then surrounded his truck and it got ugly and he ran his truck through the crowd severely injuring a few people. One woman in her 60's spent months in the hospital. There was plenty of blame to go around including some of the protestors and of course the guy in the truck who are all being charged with a crime. I have done volunteer work my entire life. Both for organizations and just helping people that need it 1 on 1.

freshstart
1-22-17, 5:21pm
I saw that and loved it too!me, tooI liked one of a very old women that said, "I can't believe I still have to effin' march for this sh*t!"