View Full Version : Lawmakers accuse Trump of breaking federal law!
frugal-one
1-27-17, 4:20pm
http://www.fedsmith.com/2017/01/26/lawmakers-accuse-trump-of-breaking-federal-law/
Seems like grandstanding without any real facts/evidence.
frugal-one
1-27-17, 4:33pm
Seems like grandstanding without any real facts/evidence.
I hardly think this is grandstanding!
the Trump administration appeared to be in violation of numerous federal laws, among which include the Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act as well as a 1912 law which protects the right of federal employees to communicate with Congress. The latter law states that the rights of employees to petition a Member of Congress “may not be interfered with or denied.”
You might want to read the entire article you quoted....
These are simply accusations, there is no solid evidence offered, and there is a counterclaim presented saying basically "no, we didn't do that at all, you're just making this up".
Who knows what's going on these days though, with people forwarding around all sorts of things without any concern for critical analysis. It's poisoning our ability to engage in any sort of real discussion, which of course is probably the point.
frugal-one
1-27-17, 4:38pm
You need to read these laws! This is a reputable federal employee website.
Yes, I am aware of laws. Where's the evidence they were broken?
frugal-one
1-27-17, 4:49pm
Yes, I am aware of laws. Where's the evidence they were broken?
Re-read title of post.
Re-read title of post.
So, grandstanding. Got it.
frugal-one
1-27-17, 6:05pm
I don't always post for discussion. The purpose of this post was informational. Like it or not... this is what is happening.
ToomuchStuff
1-28-17, 2:16pm
I don't always post for discussion. The purpose of this post was informational. Like it or not... this is what is happening.
The third post seemed to change it from an informational post, to something else, starting with this sentence.
I hardly think this is grandstanding!
frugal-one
1-28-17, 4:53pm
The third post seemed to change it from an informational post, to something else, starting with this sentence.
My point of this post was informational. I was confronted so I responded.
I was confronted...
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
frugal-one
1-28-17, 7:31pm
It does...
con·front
meet (someone) face to face with hostile or argumentative intent.
iris lilies
1-29-17, 9:42am
You might want to read the entire article you quoted....
These are simply accusations, there is no solid evidence offered, and there is a counterclaim presented saying basically "no, we didn't do that at all, you're just making this up".
Who knows what's going on these days though, with people forwarding around all sorts of things without any concern for critical analysis. It's poisoning our ability to engage in any sort of real discussion, which of course is probably the point.
Another problem in today's social media environment is: websites and news agencies must produce content, new content, every day and sometimes every hour and every minute. This federal employees website has to be populated with information, fresh information! to be relevent.
When they dont have any real news they create it with stories like this. So whether newsworthy or not, "news" must be produced for the all consuming twitter universe. Because everyone "must keep up!" With the "news,"
A never ending cycle.
frugal-one
1-29-17, 1:26pm
[QUOTE from IRIS LILIES;261841] ---
I dont watch tv news, havent watched that in decades. We still get a city daily newspaper but I seldom read it, I read it for local news when I read it. Often DH marks articles for me to read.
iris lilies
1-29-17, 8:04pm
[QUOTE from IRIS LILIES;261841] ---
I dont watch tv news, havent watched that in decades. We still get a city daily newspaper but I seldom read it, I read it for local news when I read it. Often DH marks articles for me to read.
Is there a point here in copying my post from another thread?
gimmethesimplelife
1-30-17, 10:46am
Getting back to the OP, and responding to the original post, all I have to say is that my belief is that impeachment is not too far away and I will cheer that day and be full of such joy and hope (I guess you could say hope and change lol). Trump has already broken a record by having over a 50% disapproval rating after less than two weeks in office - this is a new record for such quick levels of public disapproval - unprecedented in American political history, as has been much of Trump and his behaviors/actions.
I already have an outfit planned for his impeachment and have been putting money aside - right now I'm working long hours as much as I can doing seasonal banquet work - for a Middle Eastern feast of some sort which I will cook and invite many of my Mexican neighbors to as a goodwill gesture. I do have hope that he will be swept out of office by legal means and that Americans overall might think twice before repeating such a horrible fiasco as the rise of Donald Trump to a position for which he is clearly unfit. It's just a matter of time.....Rob
PS Out of respect for Justin Trudeau I have a Canadian flag on display outside my house - I'll keep it up until this refugee fiasco created by Mr. Trump dies down. I had to do something to show respect for Canada and it's much more humanitarian stance towards human life.
iris lilies
1-30-17, 11:04am
You have an outfit planned? An Impeachment outfit?
This is hilarious.
Getting back to the OP, and responding to the original post, all I have to say is that my belief is that impeachment is not too far away and I will cheer that day and be full of such joy and hope (I guess you could say hope and change lol).
I hear a lot of talk about impending impeachment, but no-one ever mentions the basis. What high crimes or misdemeanors do you think will do the deed?
iris lilies
1-30-17, 11:09am
I hear a lot of talk about impending impeachment, but no-one ever mentions the basis. What high crimes or misdemeanors do you think will do the deed?
Alan, Alan, Alan, dont obsess about these details, just get your Impeachment outfit ready.
Rob, should I put together an outfit to celebrate Justin Trudeau? Why are we celebrating him, again? He apparently isnt able to protect his Muslims.
gimmethesimplelife
1-30-17, 11:12am
You have an outfit planned? An Impeachment outfit?
This is hilarious.IL. I don't mean to be unkind but I don't see humor in my having an outfit planned for Trump's impeachment. I went to a thrift shop on the Westside last week and since I have lost around 45 pounds due to my recent illness, my clothes don't fit so I had to buy different sizes and of course I will buy secondhand. Getting to the point, I bought five pairs of jeans and seven shirts and a nice sportcoat and shoes that appear as if new and never worn for $40. Sportcoat and shoes with one of the nicer pairs of jeans and shirts will make a nice outfit for the happy day Trump gets the heave-ho from office. My husband has his outfit planned out already, too, and we (kind of) match - our outfits do, I mean. This may surprise you but I even ordered an American flag online so that we can wave it around on the happy day of Trump's banishment from office. I firmly believe on such a momentous occasion it is important to dress well and to wave the flag around (yes, the US flag). Rob
Getting back to the OP, and responding to the original post, all I have to say is that my belief is that impeachment is not too far away
For what offense? You can't simply impeach an incumbent for low approval ratings. Apparently, even lying under oath isn't sufficient.
My guess would be some variation on the emoluments clause would be the most likely charge for Trump's enemies in congress.
Impeachment outfit? I know by now I should be at the point where nothing surprises me but, seriously?
iris lilies
1-30-17, 11:16am
IL. I don't mean to be unkind but I don't see humor in my having an outfit planned for Trump's impeachment. I went to a thrift shop on the Westside last week and since I have lost around 45 pounds due to my recent illness, my clothes don't fit so I had to buy different sizes and of course I will buy secondhand. Getting to the point, I bought five pairs of jeans and seven shirts and a nice sportcoat and shoes that appear as if new and never worn for $40. Sportcoat and shoes with one of the nicer pairs of jeans and shirts will make a nice outfit for the happy day Trump gets the heave-ho from office. My husband has his outfit planned out already, too, and we (kind of) match - our outfits do, I mean. This may surprise you but I even ordered an American flag online so that we can wave it around on the happy day of Trump's banishment from office. I firmly believe on such a momentous occasion it is important to dress well and to wave the flag around (yes, the US flag). Rob
Seriously, I didnt know if your "outfilt" was comprised of normal clothing or was some sort of point-making costume.
Hey, I think it is fine to dress nicely and wave a flag to celebrate America.
gimmethesimplelife
1-30-17, 11:16am
Alan, Alan, Alan, dont obsess about these details, just get your Impeachment outfit ready.
Rob, should I put together an outfit to celebrate Justin Trudeau? Why are we celebrating him, again? He apparently isnt able to protect his Muslims.I personally would not put an outfit together for Justin Trudeau, as I am unfortunately not a Canadian citizen or permanent resident. I would however (and am doing so at the moment) display the Canadian flag as a gesture of respect for Canada's showing up Trump/displaying humanitarianism. To me displaying the Canadian flag is sufficient - but of course you are free to make some other kind of gesture to show respect for Trudeau....this is just the gesture I chose and that I find appropriate. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
1-30-17, 11:18am
Seriously, I didnt know if your "outfilt" was comprised of normal clothing or was some sort of point-making costume.
Hey, I think it is fine to dress nicely and wave a flag to celebrate America.The point of the outfit is that it's a social class or two above my station in life - I believe it's important to dress higher than your social class on important days such as the day Trump gets the boot from office. And when America does something right (such as booting Trump from office) I don't have a problem with waving the US flag around - I did after Obama was elected for awhile. I even have some expensive men's cologne I acquired through doing a product test for a focus group company that I will wear on this happy day. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
1-30-17, 11:25am
Impeachment outfit? I know by now I should be at the point where nothing surprises me but, seriously?Alan, we have both been on this board for some years now, no? Certainly you must have picked up by now that I am a big believer in making political gestures based on what is going on in the US and the world. For such a happy and joyful day as the day Trump is kicked out of office of course I'm going to have the respect to dress up and wave the US flag around - I even see it as my duty to do so, given the political and societal beliefs I hold.
I'm not offended, please let me make that clear, I'm just surprised that you would be surprised that I would have an outfit planned for Trump's impeachment. Of course I have the respect to dress up for that hopefully not too far off day. Rob
Alan, we have both been on this board for some years now, no? Certainly you must have picked up by now that I am a big believer in making political gestures based on what is going on in the US and the world.
Frankly Rob, I've never been sure what you based your political leanings on, but it helps to know that whatever the basis, you'll look fabulous. :+1:
iris lilies
1-30-17, 11:34am
For what offense? You can't simply impeach an incumbent for low approval ratings. Apparently, even lying under oath isn't sufficient.
My guess would be some variation on the emoluments clause would be the most likely charge for Trump's enemies in congress.
I had to look up that word.
gimmethesimplelife
1-30-17, 11:36am
Frankly Rob, I've never been sure what you based your political leanings on, but it helps to know that whatever the basis, you'll look fabulous. :+1:I'll take the latter half of this sentence as a compliment, Thank You. Rob
... I am a big believer in making political gestures based on what is going on in the US and the world.
Heck, be the change that you wish to see in the world...
Heck, be the change that you wish to see in the world...
In the age of hashtag activism, the empty gesture has never been more rapid and far-reaching.
In the age of hashtag activism, the empty gesture has never been more rapid and far-reaching.
I've been cracking up this last week. Many of my liberal acquaintances have been breathlessly telling me they've....finally joined the ACLU! And even sent them $20!!! #wow!
Like, where have they been the past decades?
iris lilies
1-30-17, 12:59pm
I've been cracking up this last week. Many of my liberal acquaintances have been breathlessly telling me they've....finally joined the ACLU! And even sent them $20!!! #wow!
Like, where have they been the past decades?
i guess it is kind of cute, all of the action that the youngsters are now taking.
It makes me laugh to see all of the "actionable" events described on the MMM site. Regular postings about "heres how to find your Congressman!" and "here is a script for calling your Congressman," and "here is a post card you can mail" are guiding the action.
Good god, did these people not know all of that? And a SCRIPT to place a telephone call?
The ACLU received truckloads of money over the past weekend. Planned Parenthood got truckloads during the Pence protest. The Dow is Up. The People are energized. The mainstream media is thrilled to be part of the daily story and their coffers are filling up due to much media consumption much of the time.
It is all quite lively.
I've been a member of the ACLU for decades, and contributed to Planned Parenthood just as long. I've kicked in a little extra lately. I hope this new activism sticks; I believe we need a real revolution in this country. That Trump could win a seat on a city council, let alone the presidency, should be the shot across the bow that we desperately need.
That Trump could win a seat on a city council, let along the presidency, should be the shot across the bow that we desperately need.
Right?
If he were sitting in front of me interviewing for an entry-level managerial job, he wouldn't make it 5 minutes into the interview before I showed him the door.
i guess it is kind of cute, all of the action that the youngsters are now taking.
It makes me laugh to see all of the "actionable" events described on the MMM site. Regular postings about "heres how to find your Congressman!" and "here is a script for calling your Congressman," and "here is a post card you can mail" are guiding the action.
Good god, did these people not know all of that? And a SCRIPT to place a telephone call?
The ACLU received truckloads of money over the past weekend. Planned Parenthood got truckloads during the Pence protest. The Dow is Up. The People are energized. The mainstream media is thrilled to be part of the daily story and their coffers are filling up due to much media consumption much of the time.
It is all quite lively.
It's not just old boring civics anymore. It's resistance!
A generation raised on "young adult" dystopian novels (well, the movies anyway) can convince themselves they're living through a pivotal moment in history as bold actors.
gimmethesimplelife
1-30-17, 1:54pm
Right?
If he were sitting in front of me interviewing for an entry-level managerial job, he wouldn't make it 5 minutes into the interview before I showed him the door.Thank You, Bae. I really respect you for this. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
1-30-17, 1:55pm
I've been a member of the ACLU for decades, and contributed to Planned Parenthood just as long. I've kicked in a little extra lately. I hope this new activism sticks; I believe we need a real revolution in this country. That Trump could win a seat on a city council, let along the presidency, should be the shot across the bow that we desperately need.I like your take on this and I very much agree. What's really cool is the implied long term positive effects from what were are enduring now. Rob
It's not just old boring civics anymore. It's resistance!
A generation raised on "young adult" dystopian novels (well, the movies anyway) can convince themselves they're living through a pivotal moment in history as bold actors.
I'm not sure I read a "young adult" book--ever, but I sure feel like I'm living through a pivotal moment now, at 70..
Young people were fierce in the resistance to Hitler; many of them died in the process, Sometimes believing one is immortal is a two-edged sword. I hope it doesn't come to that here.
Teacher Terry
1-30-17, 2:53pm
I like your plan for the big day Rob! It is only a matter of time until it happens.
ApatheticNoMore
1-30-17, 3:07pm
Enjoy president Pence.
(there may be some argument he's better than Trump, it's not very obvious to me though, sure Trump governs like a bull in a china shop, but Pence is uh Pence ... if ever there was a time for: "be careful what you wish for")
Teacher Terry
1-30-17, 3:40pm
I think you are right that Pence may be worse so not looking forward to that. I just think that the Donald won't last.
frugal-one
1-30-17, 4:41pm
Trump affects the stock market today!
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-poised-to-dip-below-20k-as-wary-investors-eye-trump-earnings-2017-01-30
One of life's great amusements is listening to the explanations offered for twists and turns in the financial markets. It makes astrologers and haruspices seem like cautious professionals.
Trump affects the stock market today!
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-poised-to-dip-below-20k-as-wary-investors-eye-trump-earnings-2017-01-30
Well, the Dow was down 190 something at mid day, then down only 120 something by closing bell.
So how did reaction to Trump achieve that?
Trump affects the stock market today!
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-poised-to-dip-below-20k-as-wary-investors-eye-trump-earnings-2017-01-30
Good lord....
90 or 120 one day change in today's stock market is no big deal, but I suspect the market is getting nervous. I've pretty much been a stay the course buy and hold person even through 9/11 and the financial meltdown, but have recently made changes to my retirement investments to reduce stock market risk. Other than some very periodic rebalancing it is the first major change I've made in decades. I need to start taking withdrawals in the next 5 or 10 years and don't feel comfortable weathering out another bust. Maybe it's just so I sleep better at night, maybe not. It's not a reaction to daily news, but a general perception of more risk for the next few years. I don't believe in Trumpnomics.
iris lilies
1-30-17, 10:39pm
Trump affects the stock market today!
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-poised-to-dip-below-20k-as-wary-investors-eye-trump-earnings-2017-01-30
Yes, The Donald has been affecting the market for some months now. But if you want to argue that the 6% rise in the last quarter of 2016 was due to euphoria about the end of the Obama regime, I wont stop you.
Yes, The Donald has been affecting the market for some months now. But if you want to argue that the 6% rise in the last quarter of 2016 was due to euphoria about the end of the Obama regime, I wont stop you.
Or maybe it was last ditch euphoria that Obama was still president! :~)
frugal-one
1-31-17, 2:41am
Yes, The Donald has been affecting the market for some months now. But if you want to argue that the 6% rise in the last quarter of 2016 was due to euphoria about the end of the Obama regime, I wont stop you.
That is usually called the Santa Claus effect. Happens most years.
I don't think you can say the market went up because of the Santa Claus effect, when it was supposed to crater if Trump was elected. The conventional wisdom was turned on its head.
Like Rogar, I am concerned about where this market is going next, and I honestly don't know what to do.
frugal-one
1-31-17, 1:27pm
I don't think you can say the market went up because of the Santa Claus effect, when it was supposed to crater if Trump was elected. The conventional wisdom was turned on its head.
Like Rogar, I am concerned about where this market is going next, and I honestly don't know what to do.
We all feel the same way. I honestly don't know what to do either. The market is doing a spiral now. Too much drama!!!!
We all feel the same way. I honestly don't know what to do either. The market is doing a spiral now. Too much drama!!!!
Yes, way too much drama! It is really getting to me, honestly, the feeling that no matter what I do, I am probably picking the wrong thing, agh!
ToomuchStuff
1-31-17, 2:22pm
It does...
con·front
meet (someone) face to face with hostile or argumentative intent.
By your definition, where is the face to face? I saw him state his opinion, to which you reacted.
Alan, Alan, Alan, dont obsess about these details, just get your Impeachment outfit ready.
Made me think of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O-56jlwDSQ
The point of the outfit is that it's a social class or two above my station in life - I believe it's important to dress higher than your social class on important days Rob
Halloween? So Bae's astronaut neighbor, would be wearing something like a superman costume, while Bae, would be wearing some sort of Jesus or Hercule's outfit (son of god/savior as a first responder), and Judges would be wearing God clothes of various beliefs? As the person who kept this forum going, would Alan be dressed a Prometheus or Lucifer?
Well, the Dow was down 190 something at mid day, then down only 120 something by closing bell.
So how did reaction to Trump achieve that?
I expect the ban, causes the same fear reaction as Brexit. Unsurity of how the world markets will adapt and react.
If the idea is to dress up a couple of classes, I'm dressing as a plumber.
ToomuchStuff
1-31-17, 5:56pm
If the idea is to dress up a couple of classes, I'm dressing as a plumber.
So bent over with your crack showing? C. R. Crack plumbers.:laff:
So bent over with your crack showing? C. R. Crack plumbers.:laff:
Yeah, and money coming out of it.
gimmethesimplelife
1-31-17, 6:16pm
By your definition, where is the face to face? I saw him state his opinion, to which you reacted.
Made me think of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O-56jlwDSQ
Halloween? So Bae's astronaut neighbor, would be wearing something like a superman costume, while Bae, would be wearing some sort of Jesus or Hercule's outfit (son of god/savior as a first responder), and Judges would be wearing God clothes of various beliefs? As the person who kept this forum going, would Alan be dressed a Prometheus or Lucifer?
I expect the ban, causes the same fear reaction as Brexit. Unsurity of how the world markets will adapt and react.I simply meant in my case dressing middle class or slightly upper middle class - meant as a gesture of respect for the eventual day that Trump gets the heave-ho from office. Such a momentous occasion, such a day of hope for the lower classes - of course I'm going to dress up above my station in life. To not do so would be disrespectful to all victims of the Orange One and I won't live with that. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
1-31-17, 6:17pm
If the idea is to dress up a couple of classes, I'm dressing as a plumber.I guess I can see that.....plumbers are reputed to make decent money. I was thinking among more white collar lines but yes, I do see your point here. Rob
ToomuchStuff
1-31-17, 6:23pm
Clothes don't make the man or "represent his station".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Clothes
Clothes don't make the man or "represent his station".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Clothes
Who we gonna listen to, some fairy story guy or ZZ Top?
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQUbHz7sFYGJWRVf_Xq5Ai766Y7Q5mqq DPr5awzaUX92Uo_s7So
gimmethesimplelife
1-31-17, 6:36pm
Clothes don't make the man or "represent his station".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_ClothesI never said my impeachment outfit made me or even represents a station in life or one that I would even aspire to - it's meant merely as a gesture of respect towards the United States on that joyous day that Trump is impeached. I'm willing to dress up on the seldom occasions that America gets something right in a major way - Trump's impeachment would be such a day. Some of my neighbors are even talking of planning a huge block party on Trump's Impeachment Day throughout the 85006 as the majority opinion here is Trump needs to go and not cause more damage. Rob
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