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IshbelRobertson
1-30-17, 10:19am
Mrs May extended an invitation, on behalf of HMEII, which he accepted.
Petition to Parliament to revoke this invitation is well beyond the 100,000 signatures needed to have this considered for a Question in Parliament.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
I think that is good, it is a government of the people and the people should have a voice. I know there are countries that said they would not work with him if he won, if he meant what he said then they can definitely mean what they said.
iris lilies
1-30-17, 10:45am
Mrs May extended an invitation, on behalf of HMEII, which he accepted.
Petition to Parliament to revoke this invitation is well beyond the 100,000 signatures needed to have this considered for a Question in Parliament.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
Oh, so you all have one of those "the government will respond if..." petition sites as well.
So let me ask you, what does "the government will respond" mean, here and in general with other petition efforts?
gimmethesimplelife
1-30-17, 10:52am
Please Britain, ban Mr. Trump is all I can say. Britain can only gain political points on the world stage by doing so - just as Justin Trudeau has by stepping up to the plate to take in any refugees denied entry to the US. That has to be one of the most brilliant political decisions I've seen in some time - clearly making Canada appear much more humanitarian than the US and making Trump look even worse than he already does. I can't begin to express how much I respect Mr. Trudeau for stepping up to the plate like this - and any refugees taken by Canada will not be vulnerable to the US health care nightmare as Canada has socialized medicine, so the refugees scored some luck there, too.
But getting back to Britain - it can only soften Britain's image on the world stage if it chose to ban Trump from entry - softening of the image might be a good thing given the Brexit decision, no? Rob
IshbelRobertson
1-30-17, 11:00am
Oh, so you all have one of those "the government will respond if..." petition sites as well.
So let me ask you, what does "the government will respond" mean, here and in general with other petition efforts?
It explains on that Petition.
gimmethesimplelife
1-30-17, 11:00am
I think that is good, it is a government of the people and the people should have a voice. I know there are countries that said they would not work with him if he won, if he meant what he said then they can definitely mean what they said.I think it will be interesting in a horrific experiment kind of way to see how many countries Trump puts in his crosshairs and attempts to bully and what the retaliation from said countries standing up to Donald Trump will be. All of this being unnecessary from the very beginning of course, but the silver lining? Perhaps some Americans will learn something from this (one can hope, right?) and not elect someone of this low caliber into office again during our lifetimes. Rob
The whole world, save possibly the despot Duterte in the Philippines and Trump's pal Putin, are appalled at what the US has wrought. The British people, known for their civility and restraint, certainly have the right to protest--vigorously, if necessary. I don't want him on my soil, either.
Is this the same process that gave the world "Boaty McBoatface"?
gimmethesimplelife
1-30-17, 11:05am
The whole world, save possibly the despot Duterte in the Philippines and Trump's pal Putin, are appalled at what the US has wrought. The British people, known for their civility and restraint, certainly have the right to protest--vigorously, if necessary. I don't want him on my soil, either.I so agree with you about Duterte, what a nightmare he is and how many innocent Phillipine citizens have been murdered due to this insane drug purging policies. And I'd love to have Trump off US soil, too - but I also understand this is not possible as he is unfortunately a US Citizen and therefore can not be exiled - and why punish another innocent country with his presence, that wouldn't be good for international relations. Rob
IshbelRobertson
1-30-17, 11:05am
Sorry, Rob... This petition is not to ban Mr Trump from visiting the UK or indeed holding talks with the UK it is merely calling for the cancellation of a STATE visit.
'soften Britain's image on the world stage .... Give the Brexit decision'? Do you really think our decision on Brexit causes us to need to placate other nations?
IshbelRobertson
1-30-17, 11:07am
Is this the same process that gave the world "Boaty McBoatface"?
Indeed it is! And whilst the ship wasn't given that name, a smaller vessel was, I believe!
Mrs May extended an invitation, on behalf of HMEII, which he accepted.
Petition to Parliament to revoke this invitation is well beyond the 100,000 signatures needed to have this considered for a Question in Parliament.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
Didn't Parliament go through this process just a few months ago?
Indeed it is! And whilst the ship wasn't given that name, a smaller vessel was, I believe!
I pity that crew.
IshbelRobertson
1-30-17, 11:24am
Didn't Parliament go through this process just a few months ago?
Alan, as far as I recall, there was a call to ban Trump whilst he was still a presidential candidate. Totally different to offering President Trump a State Visit.
IshbelRobertson
1-30-17, 11:25am
I pity that crew.
Knowing our sailors, they probably love it!
I like "Boaty McBoatface." It has a jaunty sound, like characters in the children's books I grew up with. It certainly beats an oil tanker named Condoleezza.
gimmethesimplelife
1-30-17, 11:32am
Sorry, Rob... This petition is not to ban Mr Trump from visiting the UK or indeed holding talks with the UK it is merely calling for the cancellation of a STATE visit.
'soften Britain's image on the world stage .... Give the Brexit decision'? Do you really think our decision on Brexit causes us to need to placate other nations?My point is that the EU might not be thinking too kindly of Britain at the moment, no? Refusing Trump entry to me, anyway, would be a gesture along the lines of Canada's Justin Trudeau stepping up to the plate and accepting any refugees that the Trump machine denies entry to the US to. Basically, a gesture reaffirming human dignity and respect for basic human rights in the face of bullying. I don't personally see Britain negatively but I have family in Austria that does and they tell me they are not alone in the EU for seeing Britain this way. Rob
I understand Churchill used to veto some of the more whimsical code names presented to him. He said something to the effect that no mother should have to hear that her son was killed in Operation Fuzzy Bunny.
Alan, as far as I recall, there was a call to ban Trump whilst he was still a presidential candidate. Totally different to offering President Trump a State Visit.If the invitation was given by the Prime Minister, on behalf of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, can Parliament take it back?
My point is that the EU might not be thinking too kindly of Britain at the moment, no? Refusing Trump entry to me, anyway, would be a gesture along the lines of Canada's Justin Trudeau stepping up to the plate and accepting any refugees that the Trump machine denies entry to the US to. Basically, a gesture reaffirming human dignity and respect for basic human rights in the face of bullying. I don't personally see Britain negatively but I have family in Austria that does and they tell me they are not alone in the EU for seeing Britain this way. Rob
Doing business in the real world requires dealing with people you don't necessarily like and admire. China has a human rights record that far exceeds any of the accusations made against Trump. Should no one work with them?
Geopolitics isn't a high school cafeteria.
iris lilies
1-30-17, 11:42am
It explains on that Petition.
Well, I get it that Parliament will "consider for debate" which doesnt seem like much to me, but whatever.
But "Government will respond" is not clarified, that I could see. I guess the "Government" is the Queen, judging from the crown icon used.
IshbelRobertson
1-30-17, 11:46am
My point is that the EU might not be thinking too kindly of Britain at the moment, no? Refusing Trump entry to me, anyway, would be a gesture along the lines of Canada's Justin Trudeau stepping up to the plate and accepting any refugees that the Trump machine denies entry to the US to. Basically, a gesture reaffirming human dignity and respect for basic human rights in the face of bullying. I don't personally see Britain negatively but I have family in Austria that does and they tell me they are not alone in the EU for seeing Britain this way. Rob
You Don't seem to understand the reality, Rob, we don't really care what member states of the EU think,a majority of UK voters signed LEAVE so we're leaving. As for Austria, whilst a pretty country, they have many neo-nazis who I have a pretty low opinion about.
And, as I have explained, the UK petition is NOT to ban the President of the USA, only to withdraw the invitation to host a State visit, a very specific honour.
Geopolitics isn't a high school cafeteria.
Why hasn't anyone explained this to trump?
IshbelRobertson
1-30-17, 11:48am
If the invitation was given by the Prime Minister, on behalf of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, can Parliament take it back?
Alan, I have no idea, but surmise the Govt might offer 'advice'.
Why hasn't anyone explained this to trump?
I wish they would. He's been hanging out with some bad influences.
IshbelRobertson
1-30-17, 11:55am
Well, I get it that Parliament will "consider for debate" which doesnt seem like much to me, but whatever.
But "Government will respond" is not clarified, that I could see. I guess the "Government" is the Queen, judging from the crown icon used.
I read it that the first comment re Parliament means a Question would be raised and ALL members of Parliament, whatever their stripe could express their views.
The second statement with Crown logo, I assume means that only the Govt (not HMEII) would be involved. The Crown is used on lots of Govt sites, whilst Queen uses her coat of arms.
gimmethesimplelife
1-30-17, 11:56am
You Don't seem to understand the reality, Rob, we don't really care what member states of the EU think,a majority of UK voters signed LEAVE so we're leaving. As for Austria, whilst a pretty country, they have many neo-nazis who I have a pretty low opinion about.
And, as I have explained, the UK petition is NOT to ban the President of the USA, only to withdraw the invitation to host a State visit, a very specific honour.Fair enough....and Britain did sign to leave the Union, so I get your point. And I even see your point about the Neo-Nazis in Austria. This is unfortunately true, and I am related to people I will not talk to as they believe that what happened to the Jews in World War 2 was just and right. This is just completely beyond me - I'm very grateful that not all my relatives believe this, and these are the ones that I am close to. But there is definitely anti-semitism in Austria, and I am very uncomfortable with it, yes.
I guess my overall point is that I believe nations should be trying to some degree to cooperate and work with another another - compromise might be a good word. Britain has opted to go it's own way - and it has the right to - and the US has elected Trump, who is putting the US on a course of going it's own way, and America has this right to do so, too. I just wonder what the consequences will be for both nations (though I do believe Trump will be impeached not too far off, perhaps mitigating consequences for the US, depending on how Pence handles things going forward) and if both countries citizens are prepped to deal with the consequences of going their own way in such an interdependent and interconnected world. Rob
PS Came back to add - an example of a US consequence to going our own way - Trump has proposed to slap a 20% tax on all imports from Mexico. This would include food, which is a big deal as much of our grocery produce now is shipped across the border from Mexico and then is distributed around the US. Over half of our produce in Phoenix, for example, is now from Mexico. Is Trump prepared to give each and every US citizen with a legal source of income a raise to reflect this unnecessary increase in food prices for so many Americans who are struggling? I rather doubt it. This is an example of the consequences I speak of.
gimmethesimplelife
1-30-17, 11:59am
Why hasn't anyone explained this to trump?Very good response!!! Trump does sometimes come across as a male version of one of the Mean Girls. (But I doubt he wears pink on Wednesdays). Rob
Is this the same process that gave the world "Boaty McBoatface"?
Sometimes processes are less than perfect. After all, just a few months ago we used the same process that elected JFK and look at what we got stuck with for president this time.
Sometimes processes are less than perfect. After all, just a few months ago we used the same process that elected JFK and look at what we got stuck with for president this time.Not exactly the same, JFK didn't reap the benefits of 18 year old voters, and won anyway.
Not exactly the same, JFK didn't reap the benefits of 18 year old voters, and won anyway.
http://www.strangeoldepictures.com/images/content/109838.jpg
Doing business in the real world requires dealing with people you don't necessarily like and admire. China has a human rights record that far exceeds any of the accusations made against Trump. Should no one work with them?
Geopolitics isn't a high school cafeteria.
Give Trump time. He's only just begun.
Sometimes processes are less than perfect. After all, just a few months ago we used the same process that elected JFK and look at what we got stuck with for president this time.
Oh I don't know. There are a number of similarities. Inherited wealth. A certain tendency toward nepotism. An outsized sensitivity to slights. A predatory view of the female gender. A fine head of hair.
Petition to Parliament to revoke this invitation is well beyond the 100,000 signatures needed to have this considered for a Question in Parliament.
I just heard that the signatures have now exceeded 1,000,000 and a government spokesman has said that an invitation offered and accepted will not be withdrawn.
gimmethesimplelife
1-30-17, 1:59pm
http://www.strangeoldepictures.com/images/content/109838.jpgThis is totally off topic, but....this dress Marilyn is wearing in this pic? I actually had the chance to see this very dress on display at the Phoenix Art Museum a few years ago when they were doing a tribute to Hollywood! Talk about an iconic momento of the American 1950's! Back to the OP, and sorry for digressing. Rob
Teacher Terry
1-30-17, 2:36pm
Rob, you are right that the people who voted for him won't be to happy when their Mexico imports skyrocket in price. Also just saw where a robot can make and serve 120 cups of coffee in a hour. So no matter what Trump says he can't make manufacturing jobs come back. Technology is taking care of that. I still hope they revoke his state visit. It would be so fun to see his temper tantrum.
IshbelRobertson
2-2-17, 5:11am
The Parliamentary Debate on President Trump's State Visit is scheduled for 20 February.
The Parliamentary Debate on President Trump's State Visit is scheduled for 20 February.
Do you have any idea of what will happen during the debate? Is it just a show of hot air being released?
IshbelRobertson
2-2-17, 12:26pm
I can almost write the script! Mrs May and her Party will stand firm that the visit will happen, the Labour Party will oppose it, as will the LibDems, ScotsNats and WelshNats. Much posturing on all sides and the Visit will go ahead!
iris lilies
2-2-17, 2:02pm
I can almost write the script! Mrs May and her Party will stand firm that the visit will happen, the Labour Party will oppose it, as will the LibDems, ScotsNats and WelshNats. Much posturing on all sides and the Visit will go ahead!
Thats what I figured, but I couldnt name all the parties.
I can almost write the script! Mrs May and her Party will stand firm that the visit will happen, the Labour Party will oppose it, as will the LibDems, ScotsNats and WelshNats. Much posturing on all sides and the Visit will go ahead!
Here in the US, approximately 90% of modern political theater is comprised of hyperbolic virtue signaling which ends in no action. It seems that's true in the UK as well.
Teacher Terry
2-2-17, 2:17pm
I wonder who he will manage to insult on that visit?
I wonder who he will manage to insult on that visit?He seems to have a unique ability to insult/bully/harass and/or intimidate many folks in his sleep. He's talented that way.
gimmethesimplelife
2-2-17, 2:31pm
I wonder who he will manage to insult on that visit?Very good question. We can now add Australia to the list - a country that has been an ally of the US for years and years. I really don't believe Trump thinks through the consequences of his words/actions - this was a major blunder on his part. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
2-2-17, 2:32pm
He seems to have a unique ability to insult/bully/harass and/or intimidate many folks in his sleep. He's talented that way.I would not call this a talent but rather a defect. Given his position, this defect truly is a cause to be EXTREMELY alarmed. Rob
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