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https://gutierrez.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/guti-rrez-being-asked-leave-ice-meeting-capitol-speaker-ryan-and
Limiting federal police ICE questioning to only approved by Republican judiciary reps is overreach and the beginning of controlling information.No checks and balances are visible in this action.
I thought that was way out of line.
I guess this is an example of "fake news" which I would more accurately characterize as "news designed to create and/or enhance a narrative". According to NBC (http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Gutierrez-Hispanic-Dems-Barred-from-Meeting-with-Immigration-Official-414020793.html), it was a bipartisan meeting limited to representatives with "jurisdictional interests in immigration enforcement". It sounds like Congressman Gutierrez and several other members of the Hispanic Caucus decided to crash the meeting and were asked to leave.
Methinks 'Mission Accomplished'.
I guess this is an example of "fake news" which I would more accurately characterize as "news designed to create and/or enhance a narrative". According to NBC (http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Gutierrez-Hispanic-Dems-Barred-from-Meeting-with-Immigration-Official-414020793.html), it was a bipartisan meeting limited to representatives with "jurisdictional interests in immigration enforcement". It sounds like Congressman Gutierrez and several other members of the Hispanic Caucus decided to crash the meeting and were asked to leave.
Methinks 'Mission Accomplished'.
What exactly does "Jurisdictional interests in immigration enforcement" mean? Does that mean only people on the judiciary committee were allowed to attend? And if so, why? And did Paul Ryan have the right to make that decision? It would seem reasonable that an informational meeting with people from executive branch agencies for members of congress should be open to any member of congress whose constituents might be concerned about the issue to be discussed.
iris lilies
2-20-17, 12:39pm
Does anyne really believe that GUtierrez and co. are unable to summon goubmnt officials from the Immigration and Customs Enforcement departments to speak with them? Perhaps they could have their own meeting? Are they capable of calling a meeting, or must someone else do that for them?
Maybe they could get the black lady from the press conference to take care of that for them.
What exactly does "Jurisdictional interests in immigration enforcement" mean? Does that mean only people on the judiciary committee were allowed to attend? And if so, why? And did Paul Ryan have the right to make that decision? It would seem reasonable that an informational meeting with people from executive branch agencies for members of congress should be open to any member of congress whose constituents might be concerned about the issue to be discussed.I would think that if a meeting designed to accomplish something is held, it is probably counter productive to allow it to be used for soapbox oratory by those attempting to display their bona fides to their constituents. They should probably do that on their own time.
Reading the According to NBC from Alan, it says the same thing Gutierrez said. He's from Illinois...Chicago was part of the sweep up . He should have been a part of it. Exactly how bi partisan was it, didn't see any names of who attended. They did have a meeting scheduled which was cancelled. Can they have another meeting? Will ICE bother to come or do they have to run it through the "majority"? This is the kind of stuff we need to be watching, not paying attention to the circus clown. See what the Republicans are doing NOW!
I would think that if a meeting designed to accomplish something is held, it is probably counter productive to allow it to be used for soapbox oratory by those attempting to display their bona fides to their constituents. They should probably do that on their own time.
That assumes they only wanted to be there to bloviate and not to ask legitimmate questions of interest to their constituents.
iris lilies
2-20-17, 5:07pm
Maybe they could get the black lady from the press conference to take care of that for them.
I want you to remember that I gave you the opening for that. You owe me one. :)
Reading the According to NBC from Alan, it says the same thing Gutierrez said. He's from Illinois...Chicago was part of the sweep up . He should have been a part of it. Exactly how bi partisan was it, didn't see any names of who attended. They did have a meeting scheduled which was cancelled. Can they have another meeting? Will ICE bother to come or do they have to run it through the "majority"? This is the kind of stuff we need to be watching, not paying attention to the circus clown. See what the Republicans are doing NOW!
That assumes they only wanted to be there to bloviate and not to ask legitimmate questions of interest to their constituents.
I just can't help but think the term 'Political Theater' comes into play, now more than ever.
I just can't help but think the term 'Political Theater' comes into play, now more than ever.
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From CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/ice-immigration-meeting-hispanic-caucus/
"Democrats barred from the meeting included Correa, Illinois Rep. Luis Gutierrez, Nevada Rep. Ruben Kihuen, Missouri Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, as well as California Reps. Norma Torres, Grace Napolitano, Nanette Barragán and Juan Vargas.
None of them were on a guest list for the meeting provided to CNN in advance on Wednesday night by House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi's office.
The leader of the CHC, Chairwoman Michelle Lujan Grisham, was in the meeting with ICE, as was Pelosi, Minority Whip Steny Hoyer and top Democrats on relevant committees. Ryan's office did not have a list of Republicans who attended.
While Democrats accused Ryan's office of playing games with who could attend, spokeswoman AshLee Strong said the goal was to include members with jurisdiction.
"The speaker's office organized a small bipartisan briefing that was, at the request of DHS, limited to members with jurisdictional interests in immigration enforcement," Strong said in a statement. "Members of the CHC expressed interest in attending, and to accommodate the request, we welcomed the chair of the CHC to join on behalf of the other members. We are confident that the CHC chair is capable of representing the views of her caucus, and this arrangement was made very clear to the CHC ahead of time."
I believe the title of the thread is "Ice meeting limited to Republicans" which is clearly incorrect, as are, I believe, many opinions which follow.
The question mark at the end of the title indicated a question.....Glad to see CHC was invited...at least and again, who are the top Dems on relevant committees? Why no list of Republicans? News reports are often scanty and slanted. Nothing has been reported here in MD and Steny Hoyer is one of ours. I worry about this kind of thing. Small instances that indicate future plans.
The question mark at the end of the title indicated a question.....Yes, and to be fair the statement put out by Congressman Gutierrez quoted in your link seemed to imply otherwise. That takes me back to the statement in my original post "news designed to create and/or enhance a narrative". The truth is always out there, but I'll be damned if you don't have to wade through a lot of propaganda to find it.
Alan, I agree, the problem is sifting the propaganda, lies and the push to incite drama. I have strong visions of a police force only reporting to one side ending badly.
Alan, I agree, the problem is sifting the propaganda, lies and the push to incite drama. I have strong visions of a police force only reporting to one side ending badly.
I've always considered our system to be like one big tug of war - it stays up because all sides are pulling relatively equally.
You put all the power on one side of a tug of war and everything falls over.
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