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Didn't listen - I'll catch up tomorrow. I'll read reports and transcripts, but I just don't want to hear his voice anymore. Ever.
I thought it was a pretty good performance, sober, serious and yet uplifting. The extended ovation given to the widow of the Navy Seal was touching, the Democrats who spent the rest of the speech glued to their seats even stood for her.
Given that it was The Donald at the dais, I was pleasantly surprised by a dignified presentation.
I had planned on watching it, but after just a few minutes, I just couldn't continue. Who is this man? What does he really believe? Who wrote his speech or told him he was going to be in big trouble if he didn't quit acting like a spoiled brat?
I just couldn't believe anything he said. He's a chameleon. I will wait and see if he can continue this "presidential" behavior. After his campaign and the past 5 weeks of his usual behavior, it was just impossible for me to believe his new presence.
Time will tell.
iris lilies
3-1-17, 9:44am
I didnt watch it and will probably watch snippets later.
But from what I heard, there was nothing to make me happy. Paid FMLA leave? How on earth is that friendly to business?So he is going remove ACA requirements and stick em with paying for FMLA? Lets hope congress can say hell no, Ivanka.
The speech was pretty pedestrian, but I was impressed with the way the Democrats rose to the challenge of behaving every bit as childishly as Trump. The dressing up, the rushing out at the end, the thumbs-down gestures and sulking. It was great theater.
He wedged in two words related to the environment between two or three other less "important" (in his mind) issues just to appease..
I think it was one of his more Presidential speeches, but said nothing that made me feel warmer towards him, or less worried about my issues.
The speech was pretty pedestrian, but I was impressed with the way the Democrats rose to the challenge of behaving every bit as childishly as Trump. The dressing up, the rushing out at the end, the thumbs-down gestures and sulking. It was great theater.
What should they have done, in your opinion?
gimmethesimplelife
3-1-17, 10:57am
Didn't listen - I'll catch up tomorrow. I'll read reports and transcripts, but I just don't want to hear his voice anymore. Ever.Thank You, Creaker. I feel the exact same way. I even tried to watch him last night as the banquet I was scheduled to work cancelled 75% of the temp workers ordered for the event - and I found I could not dredge up the emotional strength to listen to him. Just couldn't do it and figured I could read about it all online this morning anyway, thus sparing me listening to his voice. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
3-1-17, 11:00am
I had planned on watching it, but after just a few minutes, I just couldn't continue. Who is this man? What does he really believe? Who wrote his speech or told him he was going to be in big trouble if he didn't quit acting like a spoiled brat?
I just couldn't believe anything he said. He's a chameleon. I will wait and see if he can continue this "presidential" behavior. After his campaign and the past 5 weeks of his usual behavior, it was just impossible for me to believe his new presence.
Time will tell.I personally am unable to believe anything he says period. I can't buy "Presidential behavior" as it's too little, too late - too many days late and for the lower social classes, too many dollars short. He should have behaved himself from day one on the campaign trail BUT I believe one of the reasons he's making this speech instead of Hillary Clinton is that he didn't behave himself and enough of the voters were accepting of this rejection of "normal" behavior that it helped him get elected. Rob
What should they have done, in your opinion?
Perhaps comported themselves like adults rather than high school kids on the last day of school. It would have served their cause better to present themselves to the voters as the sober alternative to an infantile president.
I imagine there's a point where you just can't do that anymore, considering what you're up against. Can you imagine what the "other side" might have done if the shoe were on the other foot? Trump, as a president, is absurd. I can't imagine a Democratic president acting similarly without the republicans going ape s**t.
Perhaps comported themselves like adults rather than high school kids on the last day of school. It would have served their cause better to present themselves to the voters as the sober alternative to an infantile president.
But when you're dealing with the school yard bully who is suddenly acting relatively normal because the teacher is watching it's hard not to react that way.
gimmethesimplelife
3-1-17, 12:04pm
I imagine there's a point where you just can't do that anymore, considering what you're up against. Can you imagine what the "other side" might have done if the shoe were on the other foot? Trump, as a president, is absurd. I can't imagine a Democratic president acting similarly without the republicans going ape s**t.I've tried for a few minutes but I really can't imagine a Democratic President behaving in the manner Trump has. I just can't see it coming from any of the high ranking Democrats of today. Rob
I can't imagine a Democratic president acting similarly without the republicans going ape s**t.
But is "going ape s**t" a strategy? Isn't it better to project a little more gravitas than the opposition?
Maybe for a short while......but they're only human and their seeing our country being run by a malignant narcissist is hard. Give them a little break. I find it laughable that people can tolerate Trump's behavior, but not a little demonstrated frustration from the dems.
Maybe for a short while......but they're only human and their seeing our country being run by a malignant narcissist is hard. Give them a little break. I find it laughable that people can tolerate Trump's behavior, but not a little demonstrated frustration from the dems.
I find both sides equally ridiculous. I suspect many voters do as well.
Teacher Terry
3-1-17, 1:08pm
I did watch the whole thing and he had this weird look on his face most of the time. Someone wrote it for him and he managed for once to stay on script. He is creating an office for victims of immigrant crime. Yea, because we have so much of that-not! The navy seal's father refused to meet with Trump so he parades his widow and a severely disabled young woman because we all know how compassionate he is. The whole thing made me sick. On a positive note I was watching Rachel Maddox too and she said right now the Repubs don't have enough votes to repeal/replace the ACA. And the Donald is so surprised how complicated health care is?? Really???
I find both sides equally ridiculous. I suspect many voters do as well.
At least among those who are unlikely to ever vote for a democrat.
At least among those who are unlikely to ever vote for a democrat.
That's certainly true in my case. I view Trump as a subspecies of Democrat. He's just a different variation on the government-as-savior act.
That's certainly true in my case. I view Trump as a subspecies of Democrat. He's just a different variation on the government-as-savior act.
I view Trump as a subspieces of human. :~) Sorry, the devil made me do it. :)
I did watch the whole thing and he had this weird look on his face most of the time. Someone wrote it for him and he managed for once to stay on script. He is creating an office for victims of immigrant crime. Yea, because we have so much of that-not! The navy seal's father refused to meet with Trump so he parades his widow and a severely disabled young woman because we all know how compassionate he is. The whole thing made me sick. On a positive note I was watching Rachel Maddox too and she said right now the Repubs don't have enough votes to repeal/replace the ACA. And the Donald is so surprised how complicated health care is?? Really???
LOL about Trump saying he was surprised how complicated health care is. DH and I couldn't believe he said either! Well, actually, we could. :0!
It reminded me of George W. saying that sometimes he had to go into work on Saturday. And he kept saying "It's hard work!!" Like.......DUH!
I think the next 4-8 years are going to be great. I'm not a Trump fan, but with the other choice being Hillary, that's who we were left with.
Im more concerned with Supreme Court pics and getting rid of the corrupt Justice Department.
If prices need to go up to fill the jobs that illegals are now doing, why would that be such a bad thing? My sons business is already picking up a little work due to the new policy's. He is in the landscaping business. It's hard to compete if you hire legal residents and pay taxes etc.
and i thought his speech was fine, most here were not going to be happy regardless.
I think the reality is that if farmers had to raise the wages for picking fruit/vegetables to the point that American workers would be interested in the jobs the price of American fruits and vegetebles would probably rise to the point that they couldn't compete against imports. Other countries have plenty of dirt and cheaper workers.
ApatheticNoMore
3-1-17, 3:36pm
I don't think agriculture can be competitive with wages enough to attract American workers, but other industries maybe could be (construction for one). If anyone actually wanted to have a real immigration policy we could have a discussion of this, but that's not the case.
I think the reality is that if farmers had to raise the wages for picking fruit/vegetables to the point that American workers would be interested in the jobs the price of American fruits and vegetebles would probably rise to the point that they couldn't compete against imports.
I don't think agriculture can be competitive with wages enough to attract American workers,....
Some years back, we decided to see about paying a living wage to the workers at our vineyard & winery. Doing so required doubling the price of the wine.
Sales increased, perhaps because people cared, perhaps because wine has a weird market and may be a Geffen or Veblen good to some of the purchasers.
Employee retention increased, productivity per worker increased. When the dust settled, we were doing more, with fewer workers, while making more profit.
This may not be the case for lettuce producers.
I think the reality is that if farmers had to raise the wages for picking fruit/vegetables to the point that American workers would be interested in the jobs the price of American fruits and vegetebles would probably rise to the point that they couldn't compete against imports. Other countries have plenty of dirt and cheaper workers.
So your ok with paying illegal immigrants low wages if it keeps the price down.
back in the 70's I had some friends that detasaled corn and pulled Johnson grass for less than minimum wage. Do to being farmwork it was legal. They were high schoolers at the time.
So your ok with paying illegal immigrants low wages if it keeps the price down.
back in the 70's I had some friends that detasaled corn and pulled Johnson grass for less than minimum wage. Do to being farmwork it was legal. They were high schoolers at the time.
Actually I'd prefer jane's suggestion of providing enough seasonal work permits to foreigners to fill the need. Seems a better plan than destroying the American agricultural segment entirely.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/05/15/north-carolina-needed-6500-farm-workers-only-7-americans-stuck-it-out/?utm_term=.252724968972
Teacher Terry
3-1-17, 4:23pm
DMC: I can't believe you are comparing a mentally ill narcissistic with a person that understands how to work within government and has a ton of experience. WE are the laughing stock of the world right now.
WE are the laughing stock of the world right now.
Oh, I don't know about that, although I do get a good chuckle sometimes watching/hearing/reading both his comments and the responses they elicit. That's some funny stuff right there.
I like the idea about seasonal work permits too. Isn't that what Canada does and it works out well?
But....maybe we should also only eat things in season? Yeah, that would be a bummer.....but we're all buying everything all the time, year round.
dmc............you're right. Some of us "won't be happy regardless". I truly believe Trump doesn't give a crap about you or me. He is just filling his own needs. Why should we be happy with that?
There were some times when I was disappointed with the "other guy" winning the presidency. But this is an entirely different set of circumstances..........and you can't compare it to anything.
ApatheticNoMore
3-1-17, 4:48pm
WE are the laughing stock of the world right now.
and to think back in 2013 they had such a high opinion of the U.S.
"In their annual End of Year poll, researchers for WIN and Gallup International surveyed more than 66,000 people across 65 nations and found that 24 percent of all respondents answered that the United States “is the greatest threat to peace in the world today.” "
http://www.ibtimes.com/gallup-poll-biggest-threat-world-peace-america-1525008
But this is an entirely different set of circumstances..........and you can't compare it to anything.Actually, I think you could. I remember the left going on and on about Reagan when he was elected, and look how that turned out.
And, since this happened outside the bounds of short-term memory many folks won't realize it occurred, the Democrats absolutely hated and despised the first Republican ever elected to the Presidency, enough so to secede half the country from the Union. Of course, Trump's not a Republican, but the fear and loathing of him isn't unique.
ApatheticNoMore
3-1-17, 4:51pm
I like the idea about seasonal work permits too. Isn't that what Canada does and it works out well?
it seems a fairly sensible option yes, but sensible seems to have left the building in this country at this point :) (on all sides to a degree)
But....maybe we should also only eat things in season? Yeah, that would be a bummer.....but we're all buying everything all the time, year round.
that is fine but it has nothing to do with whether it's picked by illegal immigrants, but yes non-seasonal eating does guarantee having to import a lot of food even with cheap illegal labor because everything is not in season in January.
Yeah, I, personally would only have rotten black walnuts to eat in January (although I do freeze stuff from my garden). It would be sad to not have salads though.
So many unfortunate choices have gone into making the present fabric that is the U.S. It's so hard to un-do just one of them without other parts falling apart.
Actually, you could. I remember the left going on and on about Reagan when he was elected, and look how that turned out.
i remember hearing about how he was an intellectual lightweight who attended an unfashionable college, and was in no way equipped for the presidency. And a lot of that, early on, was from other Republicans. You also had the armchair psychoanalysts making diagnoses from what they saw on television. The New York Times was beside itself with indignation. Academics hissed and spit.
We should be so lucky that Trump becomes another Reagan.
Teacher Terry
3-1-17, 5:19pm
You can't compare Trump in any way, shape or form to REagan. Also Reagan was a governor so had some experience.
You can't compare Trump in any way, shape or form to REagan.
I wasn't, I was comparing the reaction.
We should be so lucky that Trump becomes another Reagan.
Reagan tore down walls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtYdjbpBk6A
Well, they're saying the market liked the speech, with the DOW up 300 points today. . .
Well, they're saying the market liked the speech, with the DOW up 300 points today. . .
I think the market had already priced in the "He's going to upset the whole apple cart" possibility, and by him simply not drooling and going into raving convulsions last night the market rediscounted. :-)
flowerseverywhere
3-1-17, 5:39pm
If he had behaved this way during the election I believe many more mainstream voters would have been more likely to vote for him. He might have lost some of the deplorable though.
As as I was listening to the speech, all I could think of was basic math. More people covered with better health insurance, more money spent in infrastructure and defense, big tax cuts. Somewhere in there things don't add up.
As as I was listening to the speech, all I could think of was basic math. More people covered with better health insurance, more money spent in infrastructure and defense, big tax cuts. Somewhere in there things don't add up.
Probably best not to look too closely into what money is...
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DMC: I can't believe you are comparing a mentally ill narcissistic with a person that understands how to work within government and has a ton of experience. WE are the laughing stock of the world right now.
He was able to get elected, so he was able to accomplish that. And I don't worry to much about what the rest of the world thinks of us. They will have to deal with it, just like some here.
Maybe his ability to get elected tells more about most of the folks who elected him? Snake oil salesmen sold a lot of tonic too.
Well, they're saying the market liked the speech, with the DOW up 300 points today. . .
The stock market has been a little odd considering the turmoil around his unpopularity. I shifted some of my retirement nest egg out of stocks. I hardly ever try to predict the market, but was just not feeling comfortable. Unless something in his policies changes, it's not making good dollar sense to me. Maybe we're in a speculative bubble or could be a boom, but I'm sleeping better.
I though his speech was pretty milk toast politics. I suspect he had some coaching to tone down the rhetoric and he actually listened. He really didn't say much new.
I'm sure he gets tons of coaching! .."...please daddy you HAVE to tone it down!"
I suspect he had some coaching to tone down the rhetoric and he actually listened. He really didn't say much new.
And maybe his staff got him to lay off the coke for a night...
gimmethesimplelife
3-1-17, 11:28pm
And maybe his staff got him to lay off the coke for a night...Jp1, I'm not throwing snark your way with this comment, ok? Such is not my intent. I just want to say that I don't care for Trump either and as you know I've been quite vocal about it.....I'm not buying the rumors about Trump doing cocaine. Perhaps in the past, yes, but (call me a fool if you want, I won't get offended this one time on this one issue) I'd like to believe the man is brighter than to use cocaine or any other illicit non prescribed substance while holding his current office. I sure hope I'm right on this one.....Rob
I'm sure he gets tons of coaching! .."...please daddy you HAVE to tone it down!"
He must have also thrown some salt over the other shoulder to appease Bannon;-)
iris lilies
3-2-17, 12:15am
The stock market has been a little odd considering the turmoil around his unpopularity. I shifted some of my retirement nest egg out of stocks. I hardly ever try to predict the market, but was just not feeling comfortable. Unless something in his policies changes, it's not making good dollar sense to me. Maybe we're in a speculative bubble or could be a boom, but I'm sleeping better.
I though his speech was pretty milk toast politics. I suspect he had some coaching to tone down the rhetoric and he actually listened. He really didn't say much new.i agree with all of this. While I am gizzed up temporarily about this market, in my heart I know it will come down, and probably crashing down.
I no likee all of the Trump plans to spend money we do not have.
Jp1, I'm not throwing snark your way with this comment, ok? Such is not my intent. I just want to say that I don't care for Trump either and as you know I've been quite vocal about it.....I'm not buying the rumors about Trump doing cocaine. Perhaps in the past, yes, but (call me a fool if you want, I won't get offended this one time on this one issue) I'd like to believe the man is brighter than to use cocaine or any other illicit non prescribed substance while holding his current office. I sure hope I'm right on this one.....Rob
My comment was half snark, half concern that all his sniffles during the debates and behavior that lead to the assumption of coke are real. And no, I don't take it personally.
Honestly, I hope you're right. It is kind of scary to think that the man with the nuclear football (ok, we all know that there's some other dude at Mar A Lago who actually has the football and he's willing to pose for selfies, but whatever...) is using coke.
I no likee all of the Trump plans to spend money we do not have.
And especially on something as pointless as the military buildup he bloviates about. I mean, jesus christ, didn't we learn from the last republican administration mega military buildup that it was a waste of money? All that shit that Reagan cranked up the deficit to buy just got wasted in lying Bush's Iraq war v 2.0 the Kill Saddam Edition.
I thought it was a pretty good performance, sober, serious and yet uplifting. The extended ovation given to the widow of the Navy Seal was touching, the Democrats who spent the rest of the speech glued to their seats even stood for her.
Given that it was The Donald at the dais, I was pleasantly surprised by a dignified presentation.
Unlike you, I was appalled at the grandstanding of the new widow of the navy seal. You could see the stress of it all on her. Previously, the seal's father snubbed Trump because he thought his son died in vain. I do have to agree though that I preferred Trump's TelePrompTer speech over his usual off the cuff blabbering. I was not uplifted by it however. He said what he thought people wanted to hear. When in reality he is working in the unprecedented buildup of the military, scheduling the elimination of the EPA and Consumer Protection agencies and looking at ways to cut COLAs for seniors... just to name a few things that will not benefit individuals.
Actually I'd prefer jane's suggestion of providing enough seasonal work permits to foreigners to fill the need. Seems a better plan than destroying the American agricultural segment entirely.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/05/15/north-carolina-needed-6500-farm-workers-only-7-americans-stuck-it-out/?utm_term=.252724968972
This is done already. There are a variety of migrant workers for crops. Wages and working conditions are checked by DOL.
If he had behaved this way during the election I believe many more mainstream voters would have been more likely to vote for him. He might have lost some of the deplorable though.
As as I was listening to the speech, all I could think of was basic math. More people covered with better health insurance, more money spent in infrastructure and defense, big tax cuts. Somewhere in there things don't add up..
Today talking about big organizations paying for "roads" and then letting them collect tolls. ...
flowerseverywhere
3-2-17, 6:16am
i agree with all of this. While I am gizzed up temporarily about this market, in my heart I know it will come down, and probably crashing down.
I no likee all of the Trump plans to spend money we do not have.
yes, it is concerning. Most of us try to figure out how to manage our finances, save for a rainy day and so on. It would be like overspending and expecting our heirs to foot the bill in our personal life. We would not think of it.
flowerseverywhere
3-2-17, 6:19am
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Today talking about big organizations paying for "roads" and then letting them collect tolls. ...
It's funny you say that. Here in Florida we have no state income tax. However there is a large hotel tax, and when people come from out of state to visit they comment on the toll roads and how expensive they are. The revenue raising is shifted to those who use these services. It actually makes for an interesting concept, unless you are the one who has to use to toll roads to get to work.
Some years back, we decided to see about paying a living wage to the workers at our vineyard & winery. Doing so required doubling the price of the wine.
Sales increased, perhaps because people cared, perhaps because wine has a weird market and may be a Geffen or Veblen good to some of the purchasers.
Employee retention increased, productivity per worker increased. When the dust settled, we were doing more, with fewer workers, while making more profit.
This may not be the case for lettuce producers.
Our school district raised our minimum wage and raised my salary quite a bit over the last 2 years. It used to be that the majority of our site staff working with kids needed food, housing and medical assistance programs. I was totally unable to make payments on my student loans at what I used to make. Now our new minimum wage for the district is $12 and we are keeping more of our site staff, pretty hard to keep someone in a 15 hour a week job for long with less than that. They are also making changes for people like bus drivers so over the summer they work more by good scheduling, that doesn't cost anything but keeps us drivers.
Unlike you, I was appalled at the grandstanding of the new widow of the navy seal. Isn't it funny the way different people perceive things? I know that people like Bill Maher and Michael Moore agree with you, but their moral outrage always seems a bit self serving. I was pleasantly surprised to see liberal icon Van Jones' take on the subject, I think he got it right:
"He became president of the United States in that moment, period. There are a lot of people who have a lot of reason to be frustrated with him, to be fearful of him, to be mad of him, but that was one of the most extraordinary moments you have ever seen in American politics, period. And he did something extraordinary."
https://youtu.be/KPhsSqXHRAs
I can't find too much fault with private companies constructing or maintaining roads and then charging a toll? It might be more more accurate to call this a "user tax". A lot of things in Trumps big scheme will end up increasing the cost of goods and services. The big semi's used for long distance deliveries cause more road damage than a small auto. I could see having them pay more, but either way it's one more expense that will be passed along to the consumer, just like his proposed import taxes or having expensive American labor instead of immigrant or overseas workers desperate for work.
I have always liked the concept of the Civilian Conservation Corps. Back when it gave the unemployed job training and at the same time got a lot of infrastructure work done with inexpensive labor. I doubt that it or anything similar will happen any time soon.
Reagan tore down walls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtYdjbpBk6A
No, that was the Germans. But he certainly had some advice to offer on the topic. And the viewers-with-alarm of the time called him a reckless warmongering cowboy for such rhetoric.
Isn't it funny the way different people perceive things? I know that people like Bill Maher and Michael Moore agree with you, but their moral outrage always seems a bit self serving. I was pleasantly surprised to see liberal icon Van Jones' take on the subject, I think he got it right:
"He became president of the United States in that moment, period. There are a lot of people who have a lot of reason to be frustrated with him, to be fearful of him, to be mad of him, but that was one of the most extraordinary moments you have ever seen in American politics, period. And he did something extraordinary."
https://youtu.be/KPhsSqXHRAs
I saw that Van Jones comment and how he feels that moment made him a two-term president. Yes, it was a very moving moment, and Owens' widow deserved the ovation. But was this the only time a President paid public homage to brave Americans? I don't see how that one moment was the Presidential move of the Century.
"The most extraordinary moments you have ever seen in American politics. And he did something extraordinary"..........well, I suppose it WAS outside the realm of ordinary, but not in a good way. Like I keep saying, he attracted many people who had their own agendas, maybe were short-sighted, couldn't see beyond his rhetoric to appreciate his neuroses and selfishness, were just plain frustrated with Hillary's ilk, etc., etc., etc. That, in no way, means that it was "extraordinary" in a good sense. He's a pied piper of sorts. We'll see how this story ends.
I saw that Van Jones comment and how he feels that moment made him a two-term president. Yes, it was a very moving moment, and Owens' widow deserved the ovation. But was this the only time a President paid public homage to brave Americans? I don't see how that one moment was the Presidential move of the Century.
Whether you think of it as a moving tribute or crass exploitation, it's really nothing new in the rhetorical playbook. I don't understand why this one instance is especially significant.
I don't understand why this one instance is especially significant.I guess it was the two minute ovation given to the widow of a fallen service member by representatives of all three branches of government, well, with the possible exception of the DNC Leaders and a few of the several rows of Democratic women dressed in white to bring attention to women's suffrage by "standing in solidarity with the women of our nation".
I guess it was the two minute ovation given to the widow of a fallen service member by representatives of all three branches of government, well, with the possible exception of the DNC Leaders and a few of the several rows of Democratic women dressed in white to bring attention to women's suffrage by "standing in solidarity with the women of our nation".
It was good to see, but inviting various heroes, victims or ideological mascots to these things is hardly unprecedented.
Teacher Terry
3-2-17, 2:19pm
It was so painful to watch and I think the father of the seal had it right by not meeting Trump and being exploited by him. The father has asked for a investigation and I hope he gets one that is truthful. It seems like many people died that day including kids for no useful information.
Isn't it funny the way different people perceive things? I know that people like Bill Maher and Michael Moore agree with you, but their moral outrage always seems a bit self serving. I was pleasantly surprised to see liberal icon Van Jones' take on the subject, I think he got it right:
"He became president of the United States in that moment, period. There are a lot of people who have a lot of reason to be frustrated with him, to be fearful of him, to be mad of him, but that was one of the most extraordinary moments you have ever seen in American politics, period. And he did something extraordinary."
https://youtu.be/KPhsSqXHRAs
You are correct... it is funny how different people perceive things. Look up the word grandstanding. That is exactly what Trump was doing. I felt sorry for the widow. This is not what she needed.
I hate that Van Jones comment, because in spite of the fact that the ovation and widow presence was not unprecedented, many people will read or hear that quote and say, "Yes! Yes! He's our man! Our president!" Yuck.
Interesting, this just came across newsfeed:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chicago-man-terminated-for-tweet-about-widow-of-navy-seal-killed-in-yemen/ar-AAnJ3Zf?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
A Chicago man lost his job in financial services industry for tweeting about this incident.
It was a nasty, moronic tweet worthy of Trump himself, but firing the guy seems pretty extreme. I wonder if his employment contract had some sort of clause about bringing the firm into disrepute. I would assume that there are laws about firing employees for their political opinions.
It was a nasty, moronic tweet worthy of Trump himself, but firing the guy seems pretty extreme. I wonder if his employment contract had some sort of clause about bringing the firm into disrepute. I would assume that there are laws about firing employees for their political opinions.
Illinois is an employment at will state - I would assume you could fire any employee for their political opinions.
Sometimes I just have to shake my head. The news today has a story about Trump's latest tweet. Obama wire tapped the Trump Tower before election (no evidence of course). He accused him of McCarthyism and being a bad or sick man. It look like he's back to his old self after a thread of sanity and lead ship he showed in his speech.
Somebody reined him in for the short duration of the address, I imagine. Again, I'm aghast that such a discombobulated, spiteful mess of a man represents me in the world. How far we've fallen.
iris lilies
3-4-17, 11:29am
I dont know if it is illegal to fire the guy, I will leave that up to judges who have to determine sort of thing.
But is t extreme? We dont know what directives were given to employees of that guy's company. I can see an investment firm telling employees to keep their personal opinion about our President to themselves, given that they are in a sales position and they dont want to turn off clients. Oh and also, that guy in the
White House is responsible for a big run up of the stock market, he is improving their product, and people are happy with their financial advisors. Context is important in these things.
As for this morning's tweets, they are cuckoo.
ApatheticNoMore
3-4-17, 11:46am
anyone can be fired for ANY reason (except a few protected reasons and they don't include political opinions, but things like being fired because one is a woman and became pregnant say). Hard to work in America without knowing that. Companies are generally more careful as they fear a lawsuit but the law is on their side, you can be fired for any reason. Of course it doesn't mean one will be fired for any reason. Of course it has a decent chance of being corruption and the firms clients are directly involved with Trump, sleazy but not illegal.
Time for the men in white coats to make a Trump visit. Just insane.
Sometimes I just have to shake my head. The news today has a story about Trump's latest tweet. Obama wire tapped the Trump Tower before election (no evidence of course). He accused him of McCarthyism and being a bad or sick man. It look like he's back to his old self after a thread of sanity and lead ship he showed in his speech.
Like most of Trump lies there is a hint of possible truth in this - if (and it sounds quite plausible at this point) folks in Trump Tower were in communication with whoever the FBI and other organizations monitors (like the Russians?), then it's quite possible they were monitored. Not that Obama had anything to do with it, it's just what they do.
So when does Trump extend a congratulations to Obama for keeping everything under wraps? A little October surprise would have gone a long way.
I think it would be justified if the FBI was concerned about the Trump and Co. dealing with the Russians. How would you all feel about that?
It's just that Trump says so many things without evidence and just plain silly (and lying) that it's hard to ever believe him.
gimmethesimplelife
3-4-17, 5:19pm
Time for the men in white coats to make a Trump visit. Just insane.I so wish such would happen STAT but I'm not holding my breath.....Meguesses a time will come a year or two from now when many folks will start seeing Hillary Clinton and other Dems in a new and more attractive light....looking forward to this day. Rob
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