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19Sandy
3-31-17, 10:28pm
I was never into the Honey Boo Boo show but did see how her mother lost massive amounts of weight and had a lot of plastic surgery. She now looks like a different person!:cool:

Ultralight
3-31-17, 10:31pm
I am absolutely convinced that the best thing you can do is take a battle ax to your television sets -- every one of them. :)

19Sandy
3-31-17, 10:38pm
I only have one tiny one but I have to say that I don't bash other people about what they write - so stop bashing and bullying me. Sometimes I have to sort through numerous threads made by you and others that don't interest me but I don't tell them to stop whatever interests them.

Really, several of you are acting like schoolyard bullies. Time for you to grow up and stop badgering me! I am surprised that the moderators permit this type of bullying.

Ultralight
3-31-17, 10:42pm
What I said was within limits as far as I know. It was a sincere, though outlandishly phrased, suggestion.

19Sandy
3-31-17, 10:45pm
What I said was within limits as far as I know. It was a sincere, though outlandishly phrased, suggestion.


I wonder what would happen if I started making such rude comments to someone here about what they write? Telling someone to bash a possession in their home is a form of hostility IMO.

Ultralight
3-31-17, 10:53pm
I wonder what would happen if I started making such rude comments to someone here about what they write? Telling someone to bash a possession in their home is a form of hostility IMO.If I get reprimanded by moderators I will delete my previous comments. If I said: "Crumple up your unnecessary plastic bags and throw them in the trash" would you be equally as upset that I suggested something similar for your TVs?

ToomuchStuff
4-1-17, 12:31am
I was figuring June as in the month, and transformation had to do with completing a task, such as decluttering. I was trying to figure out what Shannon was.
Sorry, no idea who this is.

sweetana3
4-1-17, 6:57am
UL, I am sure there were others thinking the same thing but it perhaps was not the most tactfully said. TV is an entertainment choice and is available where there might not be other choices. The same info is on Yahoo and on the "news". Just ignore those posts you are not interested in and this works both ways.

CathyA
4-1-17, 7:35am
I honestly share UL's frustration. Sandy, you can call me a bully if you need to, but I truly wish you would have some introspection into your obsession with TV shows. It seems out of place here, on a simple living forum to be so dependent on TV shows and celebrity news. Surely there are other sites that might satisfy you more, in sharing your TV interests.

There are a lot of people on here who would just overlook your constant "Intertainment Tonight" posts, but you have to appreciate that it is fairly inappropriate on this type of simple living forum. Wouldn't you rather find a site that supports your interests?
And you do seem stuck on the bully theme for some reason.

Several of us have mentioned to you that perhaps there is a healthier hobby to have. At one point you said that you would try, but within a few days you were back to the TV again.
Can you allow yourself to not be so defensive and take a good look at the situation? It's probably not the best thing for your mental health to spend so much time on various TV shows and celebrity news, and it does seem a bit inappropriate on this simple living site.

But if you're totally happy with your life in the TV reality show lane, then you might be happier on a different type of site.

ToomuchStuff
4-1-17, 10:51am
I wonder what would happen if I started making such rude comments to someone here about what they write? Telling someone to bash a possession in their home is a form of hostility IMO.

I believe in the forum, you will find lots of posts about things like saving money, etc. Being hostile to the consumerism lifestyle, seems quite apt.

creaker
4-1-17, 11:14am
I suspect we all have passions we indulge in that others might not share - or are even at odds with passions other people have.

Simplemind
4-1-17, 11:20am
"I am putting myself on a television diet to reduce the amount of time it is on. I rarely just sit and watch anyway. I am always multitasking. Anyway, it kind of sucks you in at times and it is a waste of electricity. I am going to try to NOT turn it on before 7 or 8 at night. I am going to try to find nights NOT to watch it at all. I won't be giving up some shows though. (Cable is part of my rent and there are some things that I still want to watch. ) I need to do some other things to stay busy instead."

Not trying to gang up on you here but those were your words. Words that at the time I thought were pretty insightful about how you had been spending your time and wanting to change it. Then it seemed like you started to double down on your TV/Celebrity posts. TV can be a hard habit to break if you don't have something to replace it. Nothing wrong with liking your shows and wanting to have a cyber/watercooler recap of what you saw or what you are looking forward to. What seemed to have escaped you is that there was a lack of response to a lot of those posts which only seemed to bring more. Isn't a judgement of your interests but perhaps there are forums/media pages more closely aligned to this particular interest where you would get some discussions going.
Simplicity means different things to different people. I haven't seen anything that looks like bullying. I find this community pretty respectful even if they disagree. You can't expect people to only respond when they support your post. If a little push back causes you this much distress perhaps this isn't your tribe.

Ultralight
4-3-17, 7:14am
19Sandy:

I want you to stay on this forum. So please give what I write here a chance.

Sometime back I posted a lot of things about hoarding -- it is an interest of mine and a few family members have it. While the issue of hoarding is related to simple living it only overlaps to a certain degree. My peers on here definitely busted my chops for incessantly posting about hoarding.

They had a point. Their suggestions were to just have one thread about it and add to it or to just find the most closely related articles and post them for conversation.

I also got my chops busted on here for "trolling" people all the time.

When I looked deeply into myself I realized that the reason I was trolling people was that I was so unhappy with my job. I'd get bored at work and feel like a captive. So I'd post some wacky stuff on here.

Now I am back in school, which gives me some of the social and intellectual stimulation I need. It also makes me think I might get another job someday. At work I have started putting a book in the locker room adjacent to the men's room. So now I will go in there, pretend to use the bathroom, and read for ten minutes when I get really bored.

All this is to say that perhaps you are bored/unhappy with your life, so you watch TV. The answer is not more TV. The answer is taking some agency over your life.

This crowd of simple lifers is a fairly forgiving one. And they forgive gracefully. So don't worry too much that a few of us zinged you about being addicted to TV. Just recenter, decide what you want to do and how you want to simplify. You'll get support here, constructive criticism, and great ideas.

Again: I want you to stay on this forum.

Chicken lady
4-3-17, 7:43am
UA and I joined around the same time. I am a hoarder. I am recovering and doing very well, but will never be a minimalist. All the grown ups got to watch us spar. I'm sure it was great fun >8)

i also collect dolls. So I posted a lot about the dehoarding and the doll collection, but I didn't do it because I thought everybody would say "oh, you got rid of that? Why? I used to have one of those?" Or "wow, that was a really good deal, I can't believe all the great dolls you are finding!" I did it because I knew I needed to be kept in check. And the people here checked and supported me - often more than I wanted.

there were a few people who wanted to help me go in a direction that worked for them, but it was not a direction that I felt was for me. I think we came to understand each other pretty well - I learned not to take their posts as an attack on my choices and they learned not to keep showing me these great options I was never going to take. If I ever want to go that way, I know they are there.

i haven't bought, accepted, rescued, etc a doll in a long time. I had to leave e-bay completely. Sometimes I still want to just go look, but I have found other ways to spend my time. I have cut my thrift store visits way down and I try to go focused on a list like any other store.

If you tell people what you are looking for here, they are pretty good about accepting that. But honestly, if I had said "I wish you people would stop being so critical about me when I buy my dolls. I love my dolls! Stop telling me I have too many! I don't want to box them up and put them away! I don't want to get rid of any! I don't know why you can't appreciate that my dolls make me happy." I would have expected any doll related thread to be a non-starter.

when I did post about buying another doll, I posted about why, or how I had made space for it, and there were a few patient people who responded by giving me gentle nudges in the right direction. (Along with a bunch who told me I was a nutcase)

i'm sure you do other things besides eat, sleep and watch tv. (And if you don't I'd have to agree that your life is pretty simple!). You might want to post more about those other things to help people get to know you better. Even eating and sleeping will find more common ground here than tv. You mention moving a lot, and many of us would like to hear your plans or dreams about that, but you never elaborate. If you're just looking for fun conversation, start one about your dream home!

iris lilies
4-3-17, 9:09am
UA and I joined around the same time. I am a hoarder. I am recovering and doing very well, but will never be a minimalist. All the grown ups got to watch us spar. I'm sure it was great fun >8)

i also collect dolls. So I posted a lot about the dehoarding and the doll collection, but I didn't do it because I thought everybody would say "oh, you got rid of that? Why? I used to have one of those?" Or "wow, that was a really good deal, I can't believe all the great dolls you are finding!" I did it because I knew I needed to be kept in check. And the people here checked and supported me - often more than I wanted.

there were a few people who wanted to help me go in a direction that worked for them, but it was not a direction that I felt was for me. I think we came to understand each other pretty well - I learned not to take their posts as an attack on my choices and they learned not to keep showing me these great options I was never going to take. If I ever want to go that way, I know they are there.

i haven't bought, accepted, rescued, etc a doll in a long time. I had to leave e-bay completely. Sometimes I still want to just go look, but I have found other ways to spend my time. I have cut my thrift store visits way down and I try to go focused on a list like any other store.

If you tell people what you are looking for here, they are pretty good about accepting that. But honestly, if I had said "I wish you people would stop being so critical about me when I buy my dolls. I love my dolls! Stop telling me I have too many! I don't want to box them up and put them away! I don't want to get rid of any! I don't know why you can't appreciate that my dolls make me happy." I would have expected any doll related thread to be a non-starter.

when I did post about buying another doll, I posted about why, or how I had made space for it, and there were a few patient people who responded by giving me gentle nudges in the right direction. (Along with a bunch who told me I was a nutcase)

i'm sure you do other things besides eat, sleep and watch tv. (And if you don't I'd have to agree that your life is pretty simple!). You might want to post more about those other things to help people get to know you better. Even eating and sleeping will find more common ground here than tv. You mention moving a lot, and many of us would like to hear your plans or dreams about that, but you never elaborate. If you're just looking for fun conversation, start one about your dream home!

fun, but not as fun as The Peggy and Alan show.

( see bolding.)

Chicken lady, you are very cool. You, freshstart (who I miss) and UL livened up this place when ya'll came aboard. We were getting kinda fusty, our little group of same ol same ol.

Ultralight
4-3-17, 4:49pm
fun, but not as fun as The Peggy and Alan show.

( see bolding.)

Chicken lady, you are very cool. You, freshstart (who I miss) and UL livened up this place when ya'll came aboard. We were getting kinda fusty, our little group of same ol same ol. freshstart totally left the forum?

catherine
4-3-17, 4:56pm
freshstart totally left the forum?

Yeah, what happened to freshstart??

iris lilies
4-3-17, 10:25pm
freshstart totally left the forum?
She just hasn't been around much lately.

Tybee
4-5-17, 1:06pm
I think that when people feel bullied, they tend to leave the forum. Whether someone intends to bully, or troll for fun, or just to offer advice for self-improvement, if the person feels bullied, they leave. Something to consider when evaluating one's own posts.

CathyA
4-5-17, 1:37pm
Well, I'll probably be flamed for this........but if you can't say anything to someone without them feeling "bullied" and over-reacting about it, then maybe they should find a better suited site for themselves.
When I constantly see posts about reality shows and celebrity news, etc., it makes me feel like this isn't the place I was used to, and I feel it doesn't really have a place here.
I guess I'm not all love and peace and puppy dogs and butterflies.

herbgeek
4-5-17, 2:09pm
I didn't think Cathy was all that harsh. Regardless of topic, if you post more than a dozen items on the same topic, and no one responds (or maybe one or two do to be polite) maybe this isn't the audience for that topic. I've brought up several topics over the years that didn't get much traction, and I just moved on to something else. Also, if you're often complaining, and people offer helpful advice and ask further questions to better target their advice which you don't respond to, don't be surprised if over time people stop responding to you. If you want to vent, just say so, and others will commiserate.

sylvia
4-5-17, 2:55pm
Sometimes the bullies are also the moderators. Go figure!

Tenngal
4-5-17, 3:11pm
I was never into the Honey Boo Boo show but did see how her mother lost massive amounts of weight and had a lot of plastic surgery. She now looks like a different person!:cool:

I also saw this!

I am sure surgery played a large role in this process.

Not that I've watched the show much.

Just not my cup of tea.

Are they still on?

Alan
4-5-17, 3:42pm
Sometimes the bullies are also the moderators. Go figure!
They all left several years ago. Surprisingly, as it turns out the fewer moderators we have, the fewer we need. Weird huh?

CathyA
4-5-17, 3:45pm
I also saw this!

I am sure surgery played a large role in this process.

Not that I've watched the show much.

Just not my cup of tea.

Are they still on?

Oh man, please don't resurrect this....

Teacher Terry
4-5-17, 3:59pm
Sure we have some spirited conversation but I don't see any of it as bullying. Also when you debate topics online I think you can not be too thin skinned.

IshbelRobertson
4-5-17, 4:49pm
They all left several years ago. Surprisingly, as it turns out the fewer moderators we have, the fewer we need. Weird huh?

I have never bullied anyone in my life.

Ultralight
4-5-17, 5:13pm
What we may have been observing with 19Sandy is what I call "Meta-bullying."

This is when a person falsely accuses someone of bullying in an effort to bully that person.

Meta-bully: "I want to be healthier."

(Soon-to-be-accused) Bully: "Hey, if you want to be healthier, have you considered working out regularly? Perhaps power walking or cycling would be good options."

Meta-bully: "You told me I should consider working out to be healthier! Stop telling me how to live my life! You are a bully! Stop bullying me!"

CathyA
4-5-17, 5:26pm
I don't know about you guys, but this country is getting too confusing and overly-complicated to me!

Ultralight
4-5-17, 5:31pm
I don't know about you guys, but this country is getting too confusing and overly-complicated to me! The good ol' days are long gone, sistah!

Alan
4-5-17, 6:13pm
I have never bullied anyone in my life.But you regularly make me smile. :)

Simplemind
4-5-17, 6:47pm
Is there is an unwritten rule that if you post something others should only respond if they agree with you and if they don't they are supposed to scroll past? If you are on a forum and put something out that gets negative feedback is that bully behavior? If you ask what others think are they only supposed to respond if they think and act like you?
I don't read every post but after the bully word (and mobbing) was put out there I did look at a few and I just didn't see it. I realize that it is in the eye of the beholder. I think this group is pretty tolerant and considered in response to things outside our well worn groove.

Ultralight
4-5-17, 8:58pm
Is there is an unwritten rule that if you post something others should only respond if they agree with you and if they don't they are supposed to scroll past? If you are on a forum and put something out that gets negative feedback is that bully behavior? If you ask what others think are they only supposed to respond if they think and act like you?
I don't read every post but after the bully word (and mobbing) was put out there I did look at a few and I just didn't see it. I realize that it is in the eye of the beholder. I think this group is pretty tolerant and considered in response to things outside our well worn groove. Good points.

rosarugosa
4-5-17, 9:13pm
I suspect we all have passions we indulge in that others might not share - or are even at odds with passions other people have.

Yes, expensive soap! :)

IshbelRobertson
4-6-17, 5:00am
[QUOTE=Alan;266755]But you regularly make me smile. :)[/QUOTE

In a nice way, I hope

ToomuchStuff
4-6-17, 10:56am
At this point, we are six days, past when the original poster, last logged on. I wonder if she will be back or has gone on to FB, where I would expect to see the types of posts that started this whole thing?:confused:


This whole thread, made me walk away from a friend of mine yesterday, who these types of posts would be about, when he was telling recent stories. (he fits the "celebrity" status. To me he is just a friend)